LSH: AOL Chat for 2/24/98: McCraw, Armstrong, Moy, Boyd & McAvennie
Alex Tam
Tom McCraw (LSH/L* co-plotter/colorist) Jason Armstrong (LSH penciller)
Jeff Moy (L* penciller) Ron Boyd (LSH inker) Mike McAvennie (LSH/L* editor)
were the guests on America Online's Legion of Super-Heroes Chat for
Tuesday, February 24, 1998. Legion of Super-Heroes Chat takes place every
Tuesday in the DC Comics Online area of AOL at 6:00 PM EST. Legionnaires
Chat is held every Thursday in the same area at 10:00 PM EST. (Keyword:
CHAT DC.) Regular guests include Tom McCraw, Jeff Moy, Jason Armstrong,
Ron Boyd and Mike McAvennie.
Thanks to T. Troy McNemar who originated the Legion Chat Reports; so much
of the format of these writeups was derived from his hard work.
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to the creators. The creators are sometimes unable to answer questions
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Gene Ha briefly attended the chat. He's not working on anything
Legion-related yet, but definitely wants to.
Jeff didn't think Ayla and Vi would have a lesbian relationship again.
There are no plans to reintroduce Tyroc or Kent Shakespeare. Mike thinks
that Tyroc was a bad character, while Kent was OK but unoriginal.
Tom didn't think Paradise Island and Thanagar still existed in the 30th
century.
The next Legion miniseries is called LEGION: SCIENCE POLICE. The creators
haven't determined who would star in a possible sequel to LEGENDS OF THE
LEGION.
Luornu will always care deeply for M'Onel, despite his wishes to the contrary.
We'll have to wait and see if there is a connection between the current
Starman (Jack Knight) and Star Boy, other than the name.
Jeff didn't know who would be Imra's deputy leader.
Mike had nothing new to reveal about the Legion's upcoming guest appearance
on the SUPERMAN cartoon.
Nura appears in LSH #103.
Mike said they had plans for Dirk Morgna, "but not what you might think".
Jeff couldn't say if the preboot Legionnaires in L* #61 / LSH #105 would
realize they came "first" and are now sealed off from the regular timeline.
The story is very colorful, with its many characters, but Color Kid isn't
in it.
Jeff's pinup for the 3-D Gallery features about 25 Legionnaires, including
the ones who are quitting in L* #60. Jeff hadn't been sure he could fit
all of them in. The gallery comes out in about three months.
-- Alex Tam
gol...@intergate.bc.ca; Nachro2 on AOL
plaid lad!
lo! and from the mount, the one named 'Alex Tam' brought unto us the L* chat
report, thusly written...
>The next Legion miniseries is called LEGION: SCIENCE POLICE. The creators
>haven't determined who would star in a possible sequel to LEGENDS OF THE
>LEGION.
okay, this one goes out to the crowd: does *anyone* know if there's going to
be a tenzel/chuck miniseries? i heard about this about a year ago and that's
about it.
>Jeff didn't know who would be Imra's deputy leader.
... triad... triad... triad...
i've always liked triad, but after the last L* issue, i wanna see more of
her. (but not at the expense of jenni, of course)
i say make triad deputy for the short term and then make her leader in the
next election.
-plaid lad!-
at the very least, let's see what trijitsu is all about and have her work
monstress over...
ShaeX13
><BR>
><BR>
>okay, this one goes out to the crowd: does *anyone* know if there's going
>be a tenzel/chuck miniseries? i heard about this about a year ago and
>about it.<BR>
><BR>
If there is going to be one, I wonder if it were possible to have Lori Morning
in it, ([please dont scream yet!!!!) so that she may be allowed to be redeemed
as a character? I think it would be a good medium for it.
shae shae X...@aol.com
http://members.aol.com/shaex13/index.html
The Great and Powerful Danny Sichel
Alex Tam wrote:
> Tom McCraw (LSH/L* co-plotter/colorist) Jason Armstrong (LSH penciller)
> Jeff Moy (L* penciller) Ron Boyd (LSH inker) Mike McAvennie (LSH/L* editor)
> were the guests on America Online's Legion of Super-Heroes Chat for
> Tuesday, February 24, 1998. Legion of Super-Heroes Chat takes place every
> Tuesday in the DC Comics Online area of AOL at 6:00 PM EST. Legionnaires
> Chat is held every Thursday in the same area at 10:00 PM EST. (Keyword:
> CHAT DC.) Regular guests include Tom McCraw, Jeff Moy, Jason Armstrong,
> Ron Boyd and Mike McAvennie.
(snip)
> Jeff didn't think Ayla and Vi would have a lesbian relationship again.
So the "again" is absolute canonical confirmation that, preboot, they
_were_ lovers, right?
Sean MacDonald
The Great and Powerful Danny Sichel <eds...@umoncton.ca> wrote:
>Alex Tam wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
>> Jeff didn't think Ayla and Vi would have a lesbian relationship again.
>
>So the "again" is absolute canonical confirmation that, preboot, they
>_were_ lovers, right?
Either that or Jeff again didn't think that they would have
a lesbian relationship...
--
-SM
"It seemed a dreadful injustice that these wise races should perish at the
hands of creatures who were still little more than animals. It was as if
vultures feasted on and squabbled over the paralyzed body of the youthful
poet who could only stare at them with puzzled eyes as they slowly robbed
him of an exquisite existence they would never appreciate, never know they
were taking. 'If they valued what they stole, if they knew what they were
destroying...then I would be consoled.'" -Michael Moorcock
Dan McEwen
On 25 Feb 1998 17:15:08 GMT, Sean MacDonald
<mcdo...@vorteb.math.uab.edu> wrote:
>The Great and Powerful Danny Sichel <eds...@umoncton.ca> wrote:
>>Alex Tam wrote:
>>
>
>>(snip)
>>
>>> Jeff didn't think Ayla and Vi would have a lesbian relationship again.
>>
>>So the "again" is absolute canonical confirmation that, preboot, they
>>_were_ lovers, right?
>
>Either that or Jeff again didn't think that they would have
>a lesbian relationship...
"again"
Dan
djmc...@worldnet.att.net
fe...@lsh.org
Yeechang Lee
The Great and Powerful Danny Sichel <eds...@umoncton.ca> wrote:
> > Jeff didn't think Ayla and Vi would have a lesbian relationship again.
>
> So the "again" is absolute canonical confirmation that, preboot, they
> _were_ lovers, right?
No, because nothing in the chats is canonical. Never have.
--
<URL:http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/>
Sidne G. Ward
The Great and Powerful Danny Sichel <eds...@umoncton.ca> writes:
>Alex Tam wrote:
>
>(snip)
>
>> Jeff didn't think Ayla and Vi would have a lesbian relationship again.
>So the "again" is absolute canonical confirmation that, preboot, they
>_were_ lovers, right?
I really don't think Jeff Moy, as nice as he may be, is the authority on
whether or not Ayla and Vi were lesbians before Zero Hour. He's a
penciller, not a writer or editor. And IIRC, he only worked on one
Legionnaires issue pre-boot (and that was a fill-in or tryout).
Considering the nature of the chats, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if the
report didn't stem for an exchange similar to the following:
Fan: "Jeff: Are Ayla and Vi going to have a lesbian relationship again?"
Jeff: "I don't think so."
*I* wouldn't accept this quick statement in the middle of an AOL chat as
canonical confirmation that such a relationship was intended by the
creators at the time.
Nevertheless, although not canon, the creators during that period did
confirm at several different times to fans and in a DC column (IIRC a
precursor to the current "Watch this Space") that it was their intention
to portray Ayla and Vi as a lesbian couple.
Sidne Gail Ward
sw...@primenet.com
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E-mail me for details.
T. Troy McNemar, Esq.
Previously, Alex Tam <gol...@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:
>SPOILERS: Information that spoils current or upcoming issues is found
>toward the end of this report. There's no spoiler space to separate such
>info from the more general comments.
>:=========================:
>
>Gene Ha briefly attended the chat. He's not working on anything
>Legion-related yet, but definitely wants to.
That was the sound of thousands of Legion fans having an orgasm.
>Jeff didn't think Ayla and Vi would have a lesbian relationship again.
Jeff's Ayla fantasies don't have anything to do with monogamous
relationships. Well, except maybe monogamous with Jeff.
>There are no plans to reintroduce Tyroc or Kent Shakespeare. Mike thinks
>that Tyroc was a bad character, while Kent was OK but unoriginal.
Good lord! Doesn't Tyroc have a yell for idiot editors?
>Tom didn't think Paradise Island and Thanagar still existed in the 30th
>century.
In fact, Paradise Island is a casino site it in the 30th century. Damned
McCauley has no respect for anything.
>The next Legion miniseries is called LEGION: SCIENCE POLICE. The creators
>haven't determined who would star in a possible sequel to LEGENDS OF THE
>LEGION.
Nor have the creators determined why they would want to do a sequel to LotL
in the first place.
>Luornu will always care deeply for M'Onel, despite his wishes to the contrary.
Shove her into the Stasis Zone for 1,000 years. That'll teach her.
>We'll have to wait and see if there is a connection between the current
>Starman (Jack Knight) and Star Boy, other than the name.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
>Jeff didn't know who would be Imra's deputy leader.
Jeff should have pulled out his copy of L* #45, where he would have found
that Triad placed third in the voting with 39 votes.
>Mike had nothing new to reveal about the Legion's upcoming guest appearance
>on the SUPERMAN cartoon.
I hope it stars Tyroc. That'll teach McAvennie to call Legionnaires "bad
characters."
>Nura appears in LSH #103.
Yeah, I saw. Can you say "the creators are backpedalling on Nura"?
>Mike said they had plans for Dirk Morgna, "but not what you might think".
I have plans for Mike McAvennie, "but not what you might think".
>Jeff couldn't say if the preboot Legionnaires in L* #61 / LSH #105 would
>realize they came "first" and are now sealed off from the regular timeline.
Will they ask about the vertical stripes?
> The story is very colorful, with its many characters, but Color Kid isn't
>in it.
How many male Legionnaires are wearing pink in the story?
>Jeff's pinup for the 3-D Gallery features about 25 Legionnaires, including
>the ones who are quitting in L* #60. Jeff hadn't been sure he could fit
>all of them in. The gallery comes out in about three months.
25 Legionnaires in a 3-D pinup? Prepare for a headache.
--
T. Troy McNemar, Esq. Tro...@indirect.com
"E'vI tsol lla tcepser rof uoy."
--Zatanna S Lee
Favorite comic of the week: XERO #12
Runner-up: JLA #17
LLL!
SDelMonte
In article <3.0.1.32.1998022...@pop.intergate.bc.ca>, Alex Tam
<gol...@intergate.bc.ca> writes:
>Gene Ha briefly attended the chat. He's not working on
>anything
Legion-related yet, but definitely wants to.
I second that motion!
Jeff didn't think Ayla
>and Vi would have a lesbian relationship again.
I just don't see the postboot Ayla being the postboot Vi's type.
There are no plans to
>reintroduce Tyroc or Kent Shakespeare. Mike thinks
that Tyroc was a bad
>character, while Kent was OK but unoriginal.
Tyroc was not a bad character. There are no bad characters, only bad writers.
Wait, I've just been handed a bulletin - "No, tyrco was a bad character."
Never mind. I did like Kent, though.
Tom didn't think Paradise
>Island and Thanagar still existed in the 30th
century.
Thanagar didn't survive Bill Loebs' much-maligned run on Hawkman; Paradise
Island is a tourist trap by 2995.
The next Legion
>miniseries is called LEGION: SCIENCE POLICE. The creators
haven't determined
>who would star in a possible sequel to LEGENDS OF THE
LEGION.
Jeff Goldblum.
Luornu will
>always care deeply for M'Onel, despite his wishes to the contrary.
I haven' seen much indication of this lately.
We'll
>have to wait and see if there is a connection between the current
Starman
>(Jack Knight) and Star Boy, other than the name.
They both use the same bowling shirts?
Jeff didn't know who would
>be Imra's deputy leader.
Well, he'd better fnd out. What if she gets impeached?
Mike had nothing new to reveal about the Legion's
>upcoming guest appearance
on the SUPERMAN cartoon.
If it's half as good as "Apokolips Now," we will have a great time.
Nura appears in LSH
>#103.
Yeah, she does.
Mike said they had plans for Dirk Morgna, "but not what you might
>think".
I haven't been thinking about him, so their plans could be anything.
Jeff couldn't say if the preboot Legionnaires in L* #61 / LSH #105
>would
realize they came "first" and are now sealed off from the regular
>timeline.
The story is very colorful, with its many characters, but Color
>Kid isn't
in it.
I'm getting a headache.
Jeff's pinup for the 3-D Gallery features about 25
>Legionnaires, including
the ones who are quitting in L* #60. Jeff hadn't
>been sure he could fit
all of them in. The gallery comes out in about three
>months.
3-D? Really? Cool!
Simon DelMonte
"You can't go home again. But you can shop there." - Martin Q. Blank, "Grosse
Pointe Blank"
Michael Klordny Grabois
>Alex Tam wrote:
>
>> Tom McCraw (LSH/L* co-plotter/colorist) Jason Armstrong (LSH penciller)
>> Jeff Moy (L* penciller) Ron Boyd (LSH inker) Mike McAvennie (LSH/L* editor)
>> were the guests on America Online's Legion of Super-Heroes Chat for
>> Tuesday, February 24, 1998. Legion of Super-Heroes Chat takes place every
>> Tuesday in the DC Comics Online area of AOL at 6:00 PM EST. Legionnaires
>> Chat is held every Thursday in the same area at 10:00 PM EST. (Keyword:
>> CHAT DC.) Regular guests include Tom McCraw, Jeff Moy, Jason Armstrong,
>> Ron Boyd and Mike McAvennie.
>
>(snip)
>
>> Jeff didn't think Ayla and Vi would have a lesbian relationship again.
>
>So the "again" is absolute canonical confirmation that, preboot, they
>_were_ lovers, right?
No, because the only way to have absolute canonical confirmation is to see
it somehow in print. Chats are not and have never been the source of
canonical information.
--
Michael R. Grabois | http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Set/7200
Houston, TX | or...@ix.netcom.com CI$: 74737,2600
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"Do me a favor, Lightning Lad... shut up and dance!" (S/LSH 232)
Danny Miller
> Tom McCraw (LSH/L* co-plotter/colorist) Jason Armstrong (LSH penciller)
> Jeff Moy (L* penciller) Ron Boyd (LSH inker) Mike McAvennie (LSH/L*
> editor) were the guests on America Online's Legion of Super-Heroes Chat
> for Tuesday, February 24, 1998.
<snip>
> SPOILERS: Information that spoils current or upcoming issues is found
> toward the end of this report. There's no spoiler space to separate such
> info from the more general comments.
<snip>
> Tom didn't think Paradise Island and Thanagar still existed in the 30th
> century.
Is Paradise Island the same as Themiscyra (sp?) ? If so, seeing as John
Byrne, who's the _Wonder Woman_ writer now, says Paradise Island/Themiscyra
exists in _all_ times, wouldn't it still be around...? Unless something
happened to it, of course. BTW, has Thanagar appeared at *all* postboot?
> Mike had nothing new to reveal about the Legion's upcoming guest
> appearance on the SUPERMAN cartoon.
Just so long as I find out when it airs, so's I can tape it.
--
Danny Miller
dami...@bu.edu
I am not a vegetarian because I love animals; I am a vegetarian because I
hate plants. -- A. Whitney Brown
prof...@worldnet.att.net
> > Tom didn't think Paradise Island and Thanagar still existed in the 30th
> > century.
>
> Is Paradise Island the same as Themiscyra (sp?) ? If so, seeing as John
> Byrne, who's the _Wonder Woman_ writer now, says Paradise Island/Themiscyra
> exists in _all_ times, wouldn't it still be around...? Unless something
> happened to it, of course. BTW, has Thanagar appeared at *all* postboot?
>
If I remember correctly, Thanagar was turned into space toast in the last
Hawkman series.
Perry Holley
Dan McEwen
True, but it's still there. The JLA (Gerry Jones's version, just
before the current series) visited Thanagar. It was still inhabited,
IIRC.
Tom Galloway
Ah, he just wants Ayla for himself. :-)
tyg t...@netcom.com
Don Brinker's *REALLY* Long Lost Evil Twin
>
>lo! and from the mount, the one named 'Alex Tam' brought unto us the L* chat
>report, thusly written...
>
>>The next Legion miniseries is called LEGION: SCIENCE POLICE. The creators
>>haven't determined who would star in a possible sequel to LEGENDS OF THE
>>LEGION.
>
>
>okay, this one goes out to the crowd: does *anyone* know if there's going to
>be a tenzel/chuck miniseries? i heard about this about a year ago and that's
>about it.
>
No, it's got to be _Deathboing and the Kung Fu Lizard of Doom_! Where
Chuck gets the BB powers and Karate Kid is revealed as a giant iguana!
Hey, blame Kurt Busiek. He came up with the names, not me...
>>Jeff didn't know who would be Imra's deputy leader.
>
>
>... triad... triad... triad...
Yeah, but you know what they say about leadership by committee :-)
>i've always liked triad, but after the last L* issue, i wanna see more of
>her.
I'm not sure they could show more of her without slapping a "Mature
Readers" label on the book.
... or did you have something else in mind? :-)
- Don
Don Brinker's *REALLY* Long Lost Evil Twin
On 24 Feb 1998 20:00:01 -0700, Alex Tam <gol...@intergate.bc.ca>
wrote:
>Jeff didn't think Ayla and Vi would have a lesbian relationship again.
And that scream you hear is the collective scream of all the TMK
ROTs...
>There are no plans to reintroduce Tyroc or Kent Shakespeare. Mike thinks
>that Tyroc was a bad character, while Kent was OK but unoriginal.
Everybody now: "there are no bad characters"...
Admittedly some are less good than others, but still...
>We'll have to wait and see if there is a connection between the current
>Starman (Jack Knight) and Star Boy, other than the name.
Considering Robinson's writing, expect to see an answer for the next
17 issues, followed by a meeting 210 issues from now :-)
>Mike said they had plans for Dirk Morgna, "but not what you might think".
He's the traitor?
He's the Time Trapper?
He's Ayla's secret admirer?
He's the mysterious 'C' but just can't spell to save his life?
- Don
Ben Weiss
Don Brinker's *REALLY* Long Lost Evil Twin wrote:
>
> On 24 Feb 1998 20:00:01 -0700, Alex Tam <gol...@intergate.bc.ca>
> wrote:
> >Mike said they had plans for Dirk Morgna, "but not what you might think".
> He's the mysterious 'C' but just can't spell to save his life?
Well, it's a nickname, see? Y'know, Dirk "Cuddles" Morgna...
Ben
eleme...@lsh.org
Sean MacDonald
Correct. However, if Thanagar's solar system was ever to be
destroyed, the whole galaxy would collapse, according to
Cosmic Idiocy.
Thanagar should also soon recover from its devastation at the
hands of the Hawkgod, as hawkcops were clearly seen in the
alternate future shown the JLA in JLA Secret Files, in which
it was revealed that not-Starro's victory would enable him
to take over various planets including Thanagar.
And we have seen Thanagar postboot, sort of. There was
a ship called Thanagar (with an officer named Hol) in
L*#49.
SDelMonte
In article <34f60ba0...@news.clark.net>, dbrinker@don't.spam.me.pobox.com
(Don Brinker's *REALLY* Long Lost Evil Twin) writes:
>>We'll have to wait and see if there is a connection between the
>current
>Starman (Jack Knight) and Star Boy, other than the
>name.
Considering Robinson's writing, expect to see an answer for the
>next
17 issues, followed by a meeting 210 issues from now :-)
Shows what you know - Starman is going to end in mid-2000. So there won't be a
210th issue. Nyaaaa.
Sidne G. Ward
<prof...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>>
>> >Jeff didn't think Ayla and Vi would have a lesbian relationship again.
>>
>> And that scream you hear is the collective scream of all the TMK
>> ROTs...
>TMK ROTs?
TMK=Tom & Mary Bierbaum and Keith Giffen.
ROTs=Rabid Old Traditionalists
prof...@worldnet.att.net
Dwight Williams
Rotten Old-Timers? I dunno. If he means fans of that period of _LSH_
history...I can see everything from eyes rolling up to screaming by
various among our ranks. Me, I just sigh...besides, there's always another
group of writers eventually...
--
Dwight Williams(ad...@freenet.carleton.ca) -- Orleans, Ontario, Canada
The Iron Gates of Lost Elmo
<prof...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>> And that scream you hear is the collective scream of all the TMK
>> ROTs...
>
> TMK ROTs?
Tom, Mary, and Keith; Rabid Old Traditionalists.
Speaking as the coiner of "Rabid Old Traditionalists", I really don't think
there can be such as thing as a "TMK ROT", since what the ROTs are R about
is exactly what wasn't in TMK's LSH work.
--
"Seiners - Jerry Seinfeld and his three friends land in a parallel universe
where the United States was conquered by the Soup Nazis."--Theodore Miller
elmo mor...@physics.rice.edu
http://www.bonner.rice.edu/morrow
Dwight Williams
The Iron Gates of Lost Elmo (mor...@riph5.rice.edu) writes:
> <prof...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>>> And that scream you hear is the collective scream of all the TMK
>>> ROTs...
>>
>> TMK ROTs?
>
> Tom, Mary, and Keith; Rabid Old Traditionalists.
>
> Speaking as the coiner of "Rabid Old Traditionalists", I really don't think
> there can be such as thing as a "TMK ROT", since what the ROTs are R about
> is exactly what wasn't in TMK's LSH work.
That's debatable.