Actually, no. You gave it away in #49 when you had TJ think "And how
would you react to knowing that I've been interned in one of the
concentration camps?"
Martin already knew that TJ was a mutant so I assumed the
concentration camps were for something else. :)
Martin
Just to be nitpicky, Bush wasn't president in August of 1988; Reagan was.
Bush was elected in November of 1988, and thus became president in January
1989.
Just to be really, really nitpicky, he's not really "George Bush Sr.", as
there's no "George Bush Jr." (George W. Bush has a different name than George
Herbert Walker Bush, thus he isn't a "Junior".)
But that's probably just Obscure Trivia Lad being too nitpicky about
inconsequential matters. (But then, if he can't do that, who can?) :)
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Brian Perler bpe...@sprynet.com
"Bastard Operators don't just win. Anyone can win. Bastard Operators win and
totally DEMORALISE. That's *real* winning." -Bastard Operator From Hell
Curses! And here I was trying to be subtle, give all of the
relevant information, but lead everybody off on the wrong track.
Ppphhhbbb! :-)
Okay Mr Phipps, you've out-thought me. I guess it's time to
go back to the old steam-powered calculating engine...
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I concede the error and should of named him vice-pres. That was careless
of me, since I know there's a difference between the US election and
inaugration dates, even if I can rarely remember what the latter is
> Just to be really, really nitpicky, he's not really "George Bush Sr.", as
> there's no "George Bush Jr." (George W. Bush has a different name than George
> Herbert Walker Bush, thus he isn't a "Junior".)
Yah. This I knew about, but I deliberately went for a mis-naming (as well
as an anarchronism in needing to distinguish him from his son since the son
never got to be president in Looniverse Y) to distinguish between the two
for readers.
> But that's probably just Obscure Trivia Lad being too nitpicky about
> inconsequential matters. (But then, if he can't do that, who can?) :)
Who indeed? But you left out my mispelling of 'Brigham Young' in my mad
rush to get this typed and posted at work after my home computer died.
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> As you recall from the first arc set in the Garden of Party Time,
> in Looniverse Y God the Obnoxious Father - the God of Abraham of the
> Hebrews, Christian and Muslims - is an overbearing pain-in-the-arse. This
> has certain inevitable effects on the nature of the faiths that worship
> him. Now, it's nevertheless True that Jesus the, Like, Totally Mellow Son,
> and various angels, archangels and saint have tried to ameliorate this
> but that simply means there's a slightly schizophrenic dichotomy between
> those people who believe that they're obliged to be good and help make
> the world a better place, and those who consider their faith as a tool
> for consolidating their own authority. After all, there is a *reason*
> why, in Looniverse Y, Lucifer succumbed to pride and rebelled; and that
> reason is the Hermetic principle As above, so Below'.
You know, something occurred to me as I re-read this paragraph just
now: how is the God of Abraham NOT a pain-in-the-arse, as described in
the old testament? I mean, for starters, he puts a tree in the Garden
of Eden, calls it the "Tree of Knowledge" and puts these apples on the
tree which Adam and Eve are told NOT to touch and then banishes them
from the Garden for eating a single apple, this being after Satan in
the guise of a snake had presumably told her it was okay. Why put the
tree there in the first place? How different is that from Arthur's
version with the Vending Machine of No Free Lunches? Then we have the
Great Flood which not only killed 99.9% of humanity and animal life
but creates a great burden on Noah, who he presumably likes, who then
has to build a massive boat, gather up all the animals he can find and
then go without food for a while until the waters receded (or did Noah
get hungry and eat one of the dinosaurs and that's how they went
extinct?) Then there's the matter of Sodom and Gamorra being
destroyed, of idol worshipers being killed simply for worshiping
idols, of human sacrafices, of people getting stoned to death for
adultery or for entering a temple without permission, of wars, of
plagues, etc., etc., etc., not to mention the suffering that his
chosen people had to endure way back when they were slaves in Egypt.
Granted, He comes off a lot better in the New Testament because Jesus
said that stoning people to death was wrong but this is after all
those years during which people believed that they had been doing
God's work and then suddenly "Um, sorry, but you have to be without
sin to cast stones. Okay, who wants to go first? Hmm? Thought so."
What's with that? And if you're a Moslem it gets even worse because
presumably God went back to saying killing was okay if the people
being killed were non-believers. So much for the Golden Rule, huh?
Of course, I suppose I am the sort of person George (no W) Bush would
have denied American citizenship. (Oh, I am _so_ disappointed that I
wouldn't get to become an American. Boo hoo hoo.) Thing is, an
atheist, by definition, is someone who says God doesn't exist and I
haven't actually said that. There are plenty of people who want us to
believe that the Bible is 100% correct and not open to interpretation.
If you believe in the God of Abraham and believe that the Old
Testament is an accurate description of the way He thought and behaved
then wouldn't you have to conclude that He was, as you say, "an
overbearing pain-in-the-arse"?
Oh, and by the way, I think Pontius Pilate got off pretty easily too
in the New Testament. It's almost as if the Romans in writing (or at
least editing) the New Testament after the fact wanted to make it
clear that the Romans hadn't been responsible for Jesus'
cruxification: it was those Jews who demanded it! Again, if you take
the Biblical account seriously then, yes, Pontius Pilate seemed to
have some grim fore-knowledge when he washed his hands in the matter
and hoped that he wouldn't be held responsible, almost a kind of
fourth wall breaking in itself! Or did he wash his hands every time
he sent a prisoner off to be cruxified (which would have taken away
all the meaning of doing so after a while)?
Anyway, sorry about the rant. I hope nobody out there wants to kill
me now. Ha ha. I wish I were kidding. :(
Martin
> In August of 1988 the then president George Bush Sr said that as
> far as he was concerned atheists didn't deserve citizenship of the United
> States.
I found this quote from Dan Quayle:
"I pledge allegiance to the Christian flag and to the Savior, for
whose Kingdom it stands, one Savior, crucified, risen, and coming
again, with life and liberty for all who believe."
Compare this to the original pledge of allegiance from 1892:
"I pledge allegiance to my flag and to the republic for which it
stands: one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
The words "under God" were not added to the Pledge of Allegiance until
1954.
Apparently people like Bush and Quayle believed that "life and
liberty" were the rights of "all those who believe" and that the rest
of us didn't matter. This was clearly never the intention of the
founding fathers of the United States.
Martin
It was however, clearly the intent of their
Illuminati buddies. They had problems of their own
at the time and are only now getting around to fixing
it, with the help of puppet groups like Skull and
Bones, The Boy Scouts of America, and The McDonald's
Birthday club.
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You won't be satisfied until every Looniverse has Hex Luthor as
president, will you Saxon?
There is one problem with this though. The only way Hex could
be president is if you got permission from the guy who created
Hex Luthor. Otherwise Hex can't be used in Looniverse Y.
Sexadecimal Luthor you could use.
Or Flexadecimal Luthor or something else.
But not Hexadecimal Luthor.
Arthur "Maybe Soxadecimal Luthor" Spitzer
It's debateable if that's really a Quayle quote. Some sources attribute it to
him, although most seem to call it a standard pledge for the Christian
Coalition. Allegedly, Quayle either participated in a recitation or led a
recitation, although given that sources can't seem to agree on what Quayle's
role there was, and don't seem to cite an actual date more specific than 1994,
I'm not sure how reliable it is.
For that matter, the Bush atheist quote is almost certainly false. Although
he supposedly uttered it during a press conference in 1987 (not 1988, although
some sources do incorrectly cite the latter date), I've yet to see any
reliable cites from that time that support it. (And only one non-reliable
cite, which is what tends to be referenced when referring to the story.) If
no one thought to report that story at the time it supposedly happened, it's
probably a good sign that it didn't really happen.
But that's probably going far enough off-topic for the group for now...
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Brian Perler bpe...@sprynet.com
"[T]he devil you know is better than a kick in the groin on a cold morning"
-Bastard Operator From Hell
<contrives to look innocent> I just saw an opportunity to milk the joke.
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Saxon Brenton Uni of Technology, city library, Sydney Australia