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Andrew Perron

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Aug 4, 2010, 5:57:09 PM8/4/10
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I'm working on a website for my stories, and I'm in a bit of a quandary
over the various Just Imagine Saxon Brenton's RACCies series. I'd like to
put in all the various chapters of the various series - my chapters in the
original cascade don't make a lot of sense without context, and Just
Imagine IV is deeply continuity-based - but I have no idea how to contact
half the authors involved to ask permission. Would it be all right to
archive it without such permission? Is there an alternative I should seek
here?

Andrew "NO .SIG MAN" "Juan" Perron, hrm.

Andrew Perron

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Aug 13, 2010, 1:56:52 PM8/13/10
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So... no ideas? ^^;

Andrew "NO .SIG MAN" "Juan" Perron, or stuff?

Dave Van Domelen

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Aug 13, 2010, 2:03:02 PM8/13/10
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In article <1vmkyjg3aqejk.1fgm3rntoohd8$.d...@40tude.net>,
Andrew Perron <pwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>So... no ideas? ^^;

It's somewhat hazy ground. It can be argued that anything posted to
Usenet may be archived by third parties, because by its very design Usenet
*is* a third party archive...a whole series of them. There's an X-no-archive
line you can put in headers that will generally tell any automated archivers
to not grab a post, although these days I'm not sure people can even insert
that line if they have the wrong gateway interface.
Mind you, I believe Eag already archives all RACC stories automatically,
or at least all LNH stories, so there's implicit permission if the authors
haven't objected to that.

Dave Van Domelen, hopes the humidity dies back down before he has to go
outside again.

Andrew Perron

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Aug 14, 2010, 8:22:26 PM8/14/10
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On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 18:03:02 +0000 (UTC), Dave Van Domelen wrote:

> In article <1vmkyjg3aqejk.1fgm3rntoohd8$.d...@40tude.net>,
> Andrew Perron <pwe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>So... no ideas? ^^;
>
> It's somewhat hazy ground. It can be argued that anything posted to
> Usenet may be archived by third parties, because by its very design Usenet
> *is* a third party archive...a whole series of them. There's an X-no-archive
> line you can put in headers that will generally tell any automated archivers
> to not grab a post, although these days I'm not sure people can even insert
> that line if they have the wrong gateway interface.

True, true.

> Mind you, I believe Eag already archives all RACC stories automatically,
> or at least all LNH stories, so there's implicit permission if the authors
> haven't objected to that.

It's a good point. I was thinking of providing links to the pipermail
archive for non-me stuff, but it doesn't go quite far enough back.

Andrew "NO .SIG MAN" "Juan" Perron, hm.

Saxon Brenton

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Aug 15, 2010, 6:47:30 PM8/15/10
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On 5/Aug/2010 Andrew asked:

> I'm working on a website for my stories, and I'm in a bit of a quandary
> over the vrious Just Imagine Saxon Brenton's RACCies series. I'd like
> to put in a all the various chapters of the various series - my chapters
> in the original cascade don't make a lot of sense without context, and
> Just Imagine IV is deeply continuity-based - but I have no idea how to
> contact half the authors involved to ask permission. Would it be all
> right to archive it without such permission? Is there an alternative
> I should seek here?

and then on 14/Aug/2010 got out a metaphorical stick and poked:
> So... no ideas? ^^;

Well... The answer that Dvandom gave is the most sensible 'broad' answer.
With regards to the Just Imagine cascade, or indeed any cascade on RACC,
I would say that you have a lot of leeway in this. Simply put, the nature
of the story writing process for cascades means that the cascade is 'open'.
A cascade is expected and indeed *encouraged* to have multiple authors
picking up on what has gone before. Whether that 'openness' should carry
through as far as archiving is concerned is admittedly a somewhat different
matter. My guess is that most RACC writers would be more comfortable
having a collected cascade be put up in an archive than other writings
(especially other serious writings). So, while I may be wrong about this
I would say: yeah, sure, go ahead and put up the whole lot for context purposes.

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Saxon Brenton
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Aug 16, 2010, 5:43:15 PM8/16/10
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On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 22:47:30 +0000 (UTC), Saxon Brenton wrote:

> Well... The answer that Dvandom gave is the most sensible 'broad' answer.
> With regards to the Just Imagine cascade, or indeed any cascade on RACC,
> I would say that you have a lot of leeway in this. Simply put, the nature
> of the story writing process for cascades means that the cascade is 'open'.
> A cascade is expected and indeed *encouraged* to have multiple authors
> picking up on what has gone before. Whether that 'openness' should carry
> through as far as archiving is concerned is admittedly a somewhat different
> matter. My guess is that most RACC writers would be more comfortable
> having a collected cascade be put up in an archive than other writings
> (especially other serious writings). So, while I may be wrong about this
> I would say: yeah, sure, go ahead and put up the whole lot for context purposes.

This makes a lot of sense. Okay, I'll go for it!

> Saxon Brenton
> tV trOpes wiKi *HUnGeRS* and wAnts to EaT all yoUr frEe tiMe

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Andrew "NO .SIG MAN" "Juan" Perron, time to play that great game for all
ages, Fix That Punctuation!

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