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Dan Clore

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Dec 12, 2009, 9:38:32 PM12/12/09
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The work of Robert Anton Wilson is rich in allusion, stylistic
imitation, and other literary devices that may not be obvious to
uninitiated readers. In this it is much like the work of James Joyce and
Thomas Pynchon. Books with annotations for Ulysses and Gravity's Rainbow
have greatly contributed to my understanding and enjoyment of these
novels. It seems to me that a compilation of annotations for RAW novels
could do the same for his readers. I've studied RAW and his sources
enough that I would feel competent to create these annotations.

Do readers here think that there would be enough interest in such a work
to make it worthwhile?

The book I would most like to annotate is Masks of the Illuminati, but I
suppose I would have to start with The Illuminatus! Trilogy and see how
things go.

Also, I really couldn't devote the time and effort unless there was some
prospect of making a little money from the project. That would mean book
publication. Does anyone know of a publisher likely to be interested?
Perhaps New Falcon?

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Royal Academy of Reality 1132

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Dec 12, 2009, 10:22:53 PM12/12/09
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That sounds like a great idea, Dan. Either New Falcon or Original
Falcon might have an interest.

Rob Cypher

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Dec 12, 2009, 11:14:42 PM12/12/09
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On Sat, 12 Dec 2009 18:38:32 -0800, Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:

>
>The work of Robert Anton Wilson is rich in allusion, stylistic
>imitation, and other literary devices that may not be obvious to
>uninitiated readers. In this it is much like the work of James Joyce and
>Thomas Pynchon. Books with annotations for Ulysses and Gravity's Rainbow
>have greatly contributed to my understanding and enjoyment of these
>novels. It seems to me that a compilation of annotations for RAW novels
>could do the same for his readers. I've studied RAW and his sources
>enough that I would feel competent to create these annotations.
>
>Do readers here think that there would be enough interest in such a work
>to make it worthwhile?
>
>The book I would most like to annotate is Masks of the Illuminati, but I
>suppose I would have to start with The Illuminatus! Trilogy and see how
>things go.
>
>Also, I really couldn't devote the time and effort unless there was some
>prospect of making a little money from the project. That would mean book
>publication. Does anyone know of a publisher likely to be interested?
>Perhaps New Falcon?

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just john

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Dec 12, 2009, 11:19:55 PM12/12/09
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What you suggest sounds liken a fine project, but I don't see how you
could make money at it.

I'm unsure whether the annotations companion to _Gravity's_Rainbow_
could have been published nowadays, what with wikii and other online
stuff.


The only profitable way I could imagine a physical annotation/
concordance could make a profit would be as part of a general RAW re-
issue project. Perhaps as part of the backbone of its official
migration to e-book formats, if that hasn't been done already.

RMJon23

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Dec 13, 2009, 5:24:11 AM12/13/09
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On Dec 12, 6:38�pm, Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
> The work of Robert Anton Wilson is rich in allusion, stylistic
> imitation, and other literary devices that may not be obvious to
> uninitiated readers. In this it is much like the work of James Joyce and
> Thomas Pynchon. Books with annotations for Ulysses and Gravity's Rainbow
> have greatly contributed to my understanding and enjoyment of these
> novels. It seems to me that a compilation of annotations for RAW novels
> could do the same for his readers. I've studied RAW and his sources
> enough that I would feel competent to create these annotations.
>
> Do readers here think that there would be enough interest in such a work
> to make it worthwhile?
>
> The book I would most like to annotate is Masks of the Illuminati, but I
> suppose I would have to start with The Illuminatus! Trilogy and see how
> things go.
>
> Also, I really couldn't devote the time and effort unless there was some
> prospect of making a little money from the project. That would mean book
> publication. Does anyone know of a publisher likely to be interested?
> Perhaps New Falcon?

Sounds like a great idea, Dan!

Mgr Dry Martini

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Dec 13, 2009, 12:39:50 PM12/13/09
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On 13 Dec, 02:38, Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:
> The work of Robert Anton Wilson is rich in allusion, stylistic
> imitation, and other literary devices that may not be obvious to
> uninitiated readers. In this it is much like the work of James Joyce and
> Thomas Pynchon. Books with annotations for Ulysses and Gravity's Rainbow
> have greatly contributed to my understanding and enjoyment of these
> novels. It seems to me that a compilation of annotations for RAW novels
> could do the same for his readers. I've studied RAW and his sources
> enough that I would feel competent to create these annotations.
>
> Do readers here think that there would be enough interest in such a work
> to make it worthwhile?
>
> The book I would most like to annotate is Masks of the Illuminati, but I
> suppose I would have to start with The Illuminatus! Trilogy and see how
> things go.
>
> Also, I really couldn't devote the time and effort unless there was some
> prospect of making a little money from the project. That would mean book
> publication. Does anyone know of a publisher likely to be interested?
> Perhaps New Falcon?
>
> --
> Dan Clore
>
> New book: _Weird Words: A Lovecraftian Lexicon_:http://tinyurl.com/yd3bxkw
> My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:
> (Wait for the new edition:http://hplmythos.com/)
> Lord Weÿrdgliffe & Necronomicon Page:http://tinyurl.com/292yz9

> News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
>
> Strange pleasures are known to him who flaunts the
> immarcescible purple of poetry before the color-blind.
> -- Clark Ashton Smith, "Epigrams and Apothegms"

"An Insider's Guide to Robert Anton Wilson" by Eric Wagner

http://www.amazon.com/Insiders-Guide-Robert-Anton-Wilson/dp/156184165X

Sorry, someone got there first.

Rev. Ivan Stang

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Dec 13, 2009, 12:49:33 PM12/13/09
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That's REV. Eric Wagner -- a graduate of the Maybe Logic Academy
SubGenius History/ How to Run Your Own Cult course! It's a wonderful
book too.

Anyway, good luck on the project!

Royal Academy of Reality 1132

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Dec 13, 2009, 12:55:50 PM12/13/09
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Thanks Most Holy Rev. Ubermensch Stang.

It seems to me we could use a whole stack of guides to RAW's work.
The hundreds of books on Shakespeare haven't come close to exhausting
his work, and I think RAW's work could use a whole lot more
examination. I eagerly await Dr. Johnson's books and Rev. Clore's
books, etc.

Dan Clore

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Dec 14, 2009, 2:40:20 AM12/14/09
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Mgr Dry Martini wrote:
> On 13 Dec, 02:38, Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:

>> The work of Robert Anton Wilson is rich in allusion, stylistic
>> imitation, and other literary devices that may not be obvious to
>> uninitiated readers. In this it is much like the work of James
>> Joyce and Thomas Pynchon. Books with annotations for Ulysses and
>> Gravity's Rainbow have greatly contributed to my understanding and
>> enjoyment of these novels. It seems to me that a compilation of
>> annotations for RAW novels could do the same for his readers. I've
>> studied RAW and his sources enough that I would feel competent to
>> create these annotations.
>>
>> Do readers here think that there would be enough interest in such a
>> work to make it worthwhile?
>>
>> The book I would most like to annotate is Masks of the Illuminati,
>> but I suppose I would have to start with The Illuminatus! Trilogy
>> and see how things go.
>>
>> Also, I really couldn't devote the time and effort unless there was
>> some prospect of making a little money from the project. That would
>> mean book publication. Does anyone know of a publisher likely to be
>> interested? Perhaps New Falcon?

> "An Insider's Guide to Robert Anton Wilson" by Eric Wagner

That's a great book and very useful, but I'm thinking of a different
sort of book, and would have more than enough original material to
justify the new work. The influence of H.P. Lovecraft is one area I
would cover with vastly more detail, for instance.

--
Dan Clore

New book: _Weird Words: A Lovecraftian Lexicon_:
http://tinyurl.com/yd3bxkw
My collected fiction, _The Unspeakable and Others_:

(Wait for the new edition: http://hplmythos.com/ )

Lord We�rdgliffe & Necronomicon Page:

Dan Clore

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Dec 15, 2009, 8:52:05 AM12/15/09
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Now I'm thinking maybe there could be a RAWiki site (supported by
advertisements, like Google ads?), where we could collaboratively
annotate his works. I don't have the know-how to set something like that
up, so if someone out there thinks they might be interested in doing it,
let me know.

just john

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Dec 15, 2009, 10:53:17 AM12/15/09
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Tater and Modemac each have wikii up and running.

How much internal strife is there among RAW readers? I ask so you can
consider how much flaming and internal wars to expect, and how much
you wish to put up with. One means of minimizing it is to allow
registered users only to update it, and to keep a firm hand on who
registers. This may give rise to accusations of censorship and such.

Steve Hayes

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Dec 16, 2009, 12:07:46 AM12/16/09
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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 05:52:05 -0800, Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org>
wrote:


>Now I'm thinking maybe there could be a RAWiki site (supported by
>advertisements, like Google ads?), where we could collaboratively
>annotate his works. I don't have the know-how to set something like that
>up, so if someone out there thinks they might be interested in doing it,
>let me know.

Go to http://www.wikispaces.com

and Just Do It, as they say in the classics.


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Modemac

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Dec 16, 2009, 5:30:07 AM12/16/09
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On Dec 15, 10:53 am, just john <teuy13...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
> Tater and Modemac each have wikii up and running.
> How much internal strife is there among RAW readers?

Waitasec...I'm not supposed to like Tater's wiki? We're supposed to
be jealous of each other?

Crap. But TaterPedia's cool.

Jack Campin - bogus address

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Dec 16, 2009, 10:50:44 AM12/16/09
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> Books with annotations for Ulysses and Gravity's Rainbow have
> greatly contributed to my understanding and enjoyment of these
> novels. It seems to me that a compilation of annotations for
> RAW novels could do the same for his readers. [...]

> Do readers here think that there would be enough interest in
> such a work to make it worthwhile?

I am trying to think of any meretricious pile of literary dogshit
that would be even less worth elucidating (and hasn't already been
done, like Dan Brown).

Maybe Harold Robbins or Michael Crichton.

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just john

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Dec 16, 2009, 6:04:53 PM12/16/09
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No, that's not what I was talking about. Two different paragraphs, dude.

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Dan Clore

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Dec 17, 2009, 1:18:56 AM12/17/09
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I don't think there's much strife at all between the RAW fans that I
know. The subject matter might draw all sorts of kooks, though, causing
a need for someone to verify the accuracy of information posted. (I
would be happy to be one of the moderators who perform this and other
editorial functions.)

The main hangup that I have, though, is the possibility of getting some
mucky pelf out of the thing. -- Though I could probably settle for a
pretty nominal sum. The model at Nolan Chart would probably be okay, and
that brings me hardly anything. Anyone?

HAPPY HAPPY JOY JOY

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Dec 17, 2009, 1:28:54 AM12/17/09
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Fuck RAW, it ain't been no good since Vince McMahon bought out ECW.

juust

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Dec 17, 2009, 1:03:08 PM12/17/09
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"Dan Clore" <cl...@columbia-center.org> schreef in bericht
news:7opik5F...@mid.individual.net...

http://www.wiki-site.com/index.php/Create_your_wiki_now

Dan Clore

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Dec 17, 2009, 11:09:38 PM12/17/09
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That's nice, but how can I get money out of the deal?

Rev. 11D Meow!

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Dec 17, 2009, 11:31:55 PM12/17/09
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:09:38 -0800, Dan Clore
<cl...@columbia-center.org> wrote:

>juust wrote:
>> "Dan Clore" <cl...@columbia-center.org> schreef in bericht
>> news:7opik5F...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> http://www.wiki-site.com/index.php/Create_your_wiki_now
>
>That's nice, but how can I get money out of the deal?

Majick Goose?

RMJon23

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Dec 18, 2009, 3:42:13 AM12/18/09
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When I interviewed RAW at his place in 2003 we took one of many smoke
breaks on his balcony overlooking the Bay, and at one point he
mentioned the name of a female writer friend of his who gave him a
long list of funny pun-based names for characters she'd made up, and
he used some of them in his fiction. And I had my recorder off. Damn!

By chance any olde f(r)iends of Robert Anton Wilson know who this
person might be?

Rev. 11D Meow!

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Dec 18, 2009, 3:58:19 AM12/18/09
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:42:13 -0800 (PST), RMJon23 <rmj...@aol.com>
wrote:

It probably wasn't Sylvia Plath.

Steve Hayes

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Dec 18, 2009, 4:46:34 AM12/18/09
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 20:09:38 -0800, Dan Clore <cl...@columbia-center.org>
wrote:

>juust wrote:


>> "Dan Clore" <cl...@columbia-center.org> schreef in bericht
>> news:7opik5F...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> http://www.wiki-site.com/index.php/Create_your_wiki_now
>
>That's nice, but how can I get money out of the deal?

Why do you want to get money out of the deal?


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Dec 18, 2009, 10:06:14 AM12/18/09
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Harriet Beecher Meate comes to mind...

juust

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"Dan Clore" <cl...@columbia-center.org> schreef in bericht
news:7p0dl6...@mid.individual.net...

> juust wrote:
>> "Dan Clore" <cl...@columbia-center.org> schreef in bericht
>> news:7opik5F...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> http://www.wiki-site.com/index.php/Create_your_wiki_now
>
> That's nice, but how can I get money out of the deal?

A wise man has his treasures in heavens, Dan.


Dan Clore

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Dec 19, 2009, 9:12:15 AM12/19/09
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juust wrote:
> "Dan Clore" <cl...@columbia-center.org> schreef in bericht
> news:7p0dl6...@mid.individual.net...
>> juust wrote:
>>> "Dan Clore" <cl...@columbia-center.org> schreef in bericht
>>> news:7opik5F...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> http://www.wiki-site.com/index.php/Create_your_wiki_now
>> That's nice, but how can I get money out of the deal?
>
> A wise man has his treasures in heavens, Dan.

That's great, but in addition to the overflowing stores of treasure I
have waiting for me in the heavens, I need a little down here on earth, too.

juust

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"Dan Clore" <cl...@columbia-center.org> schreef in bericht
news:7p45at...@mid.individual.net...

> juust wrote:
>> "Dan Clore" <cl...@columbia-center.org> schreef in bericht
>> news:7p0dl6...@mid.individual.net...
>>> juust wrote:
>>>> "Dan Clore" <cl...@columbia-center.org> schreef in bericht
>>>> news:7opik5F...@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.wiki-site.com/index.php/Create_your_wiki_now
>>> That's nice, but how can I get money out of the deal?
>>
>> A wise man has his treasures in heavens, Dan.
>
> That's great, but in addition to the overflowing stores of treasure I have
> waiting for me in the heavens, I need a little down here on earth, too.

Okay, go talk to Playboy, Wilson was one of their
editors so you might have to talk to Playboy about
copyright issues anyway, might as well ask them to
sponsor you. 728x90 rotating bunnies :)

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