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David bin Lantern

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Sep 24, 2009, 3:41:33 PM9/24/09
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Abrahamic religions define morality as obedience to the commandments
of God, whatever He may dictate: if He ever commands us to sacrifice
babies, rape old widows or molest little boys it would be immoral to
refrain from doing so and rebellion to protest. His Law is His Word.
God Himself, having Executive Privilege, stands above and outside the
Law and morality; His Rules for humans are His gift to us, for we are
lesser creatures who require The Lord to tell us what to do.

(The competing "pagan" faiths don't count, as close examination shows
their "gods" to be animals, which indicates the true nature of their
devotees.)

The animals themselves, especially the wild ones and the "parasites,"
do not need revealed religion because an animal's Law is its Nature,
which it simply cannot defy. Thus animals are closer to God and above
humans: like the Most High, whatever a predator or a parasite does is
above morality and cannot be questioned or denounced. Nor should its
deeds be defied, as the wolf that eats you and the virus that sickens
you are doing God's work, His authority being evident in the very fact
of their action. As one has nothing moral to stand on to defy the
Lord, to resist a germ or flee from a wolf likewise goes against God;
likewise for any human to be eaten or infected is to be chosen by
those who partake more of the Divine than we are capable of, and by
extension to be blessed by the Lord Most High.

Truly we human beings are the lowest of all species, outranked in the
esteem of God by any serpent or spirochete. We must be mindful of this
and humble ourselves always before the Lord and His creation.

"Praise God from whom all blessings flow!"


Kismetically,
TheDavid

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‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah
were child molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
이슬람의 성기를 빨아 당나귀 -
الإسلام يأخذ الحمار القضيب في الشرج ‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›


Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ddzpvj98_0xpck3bg4&pageview=1&hgd=1&hl=en

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
kaled...@gmail.com
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
mehya...@hotmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com
Thomas Santa - tsa...@med.usyd.edu.au


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


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/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!


helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!


helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!


helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com


Wassim Noujeim = Faris Jawad

** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan **
http://www.link.net
Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
Fastlink, Jordan

‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah
were child molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
이슬람의 성기를 빨아 당나귀 -
الإسلام يأخذ الحمار القضيب في الشرج ‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›


Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ddzpvj98_0xpck3bg4&pageview=1&hgd=1&hl=en

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
kaled...@gmail.com
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
mehya...@hotmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com
Thomas Santa - tsa...@med.usyd.edu.au


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!


helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!


helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!


helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com


Wassim Noujeim = Faris Jawad

** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan **
http://www.link.net
Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
Fastlink, Jordan

‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah
were child molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
이슬람의 성기를 빨아 당나귀 -
الإسلام يأخذ الحمار القضيب في الشرج ‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›


Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ddzpvj98_0xpck3bg4&pageview=1&hgd=1&hl=en

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
kaled...@gmail.com
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
mehya...@hotmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com
Thomas Santa - tsa...@med.usyd.edu.au


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!


helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!


helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!


helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com


Wassim Noujeim = Faris Jawad

** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan **
http://www.link.net
Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
Fastlink, Jordan

‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah
were child molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks
이슬람의 성기를 빨아 당나귀 -
الإسلام يأخذ الحمار القضيب في الشرج ‹(•¿•)› ‹(•¿•)›


Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=ddzpvj98_0xpck3bg4&pageview=1&hgd=1&hl=en

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
kaled...@gmail.com
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
mehya...@hotmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com
Thomas Santa - tsa...@med.usyd.edu.au


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!

helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!


helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!


helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com

** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **


moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat fuckers and nikomaks


_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \

Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!


helpi...@gmail.com
fes...@wn.apc.org
nextsapr...@gmail.com
in...@muslimmatch.com or apa...@muslimmatch.com or
politic...@googlegroups.com
arah...@gmail.com
islamwa...@googlegroups.com
furti...@gmail.com


Wassim Noujeim = Faris Jawad

** Posted from LINKdotNET -Jordan **
http://www.link.net
Cybertrust Australia Pty Ltd
Fastlink, Jordan

Sasha Cohen (Ali G) to moslem terrorist "Your King Osama looks like a
dirty wizard or a homeless Santa Claus." -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElTgT35fZWs&feature=related

الإسلام يأخذ الحمار القضيب في الشرج


Thomas Santa - tsa...@med.usyd.edu.au
mehya...@hotmail.com
kaled...@gmail.com

Yaako Warrior from AUZ., NZ., Korea., Germany., RSA., USA., Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained moslems

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"Yaako Warrior from AUZ., Korea., Germany., RSA., USA., Sweden, Hong
Kong, Canada, Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of
fecal stained moslems

Francis A. Miniter

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Sep 26, 2009, 9:42:39 PM9/26/09
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'David bin Lantern' wrote:
> Abrahamic religions define morality as obedience to the commandments
> of God, whatever He may dictate: if He ever commands us to sacrifice
> babies, rape old widows or molest little boys it would be immoral to
> refrain from doing so and rebellion to protest. His Law is His Word.
> God Himself, having Executive Privilege, stands above and outside the
> Law and morality; His Rules for humans are His gift to us, for we are
> lesser creatures who require The Lord to tell us what to do.
>

I was just looking at "God: A Biography" by Miles Jack
earlier today. He maintains that God as portrayed in the
Hebrew Bible is a personality filled with contradictions and
ambiguities.


> (The competing "pagan" faiths don't count, as close examination shows
> their "gods" to be animals, which indicates the true nature of their
> devotees.)


Hmmm. There are many competing religions that are not
animist: Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. So,
there is not a dichotomy here between Abrahamic religions
and animistic religions.

>
> The animals themselves, especially the wild ones and the "parasites,"
> do not need revealed religion because an animal's Law is its Nature,
> which it simply cannot defy. Thus animals are closer to God and above
> humans: like the Most High, whatever a predator or a parasite does is
> above morality and cannot be questioned or denounced. Nor should its
> deeds be defied, as the wolf that eats you and the virus that sickens
> you are doing God's work, His authority being evident in the very fact
> of their action. As one has nothing moral to stand on to defy the
> Lord, to resist a germ or flee from a wolf likewise goes against God;
> likewise for any human to be eaten or infected is to be chosen by
> those who partake more of the Divine than we are capable of, and by
> extension to be blessed by the Lord Most High.
>
> Truly we human beings are the lowest of all species, outranked in the
> esteem of God by any serpent or spirochete. We must be mindful of this
> and humble ourselves always before the Lord and His creation.
>

I have to disagree. I think Pope had it right -

Placed on this isthmus of a middle state,
A being darkly wise and rudely great:
With too much knowledge for the Sceptic side,
With too much weakness for the Stoic's pride,
He hangs between, in doubt to act or rest;
In doubt to deem himself a God or Beast;
In doubt his mind or body to prefer;
Born but to die, and reas'ning but to err;
Alike in ignorance, his reason such,
Whether he thinks too little or too much;
Chaos of thought and passion, all confused;
Still by himself abused or disabused;
Created half to rise, and half to fall;
Great lord of all things, yet a prey to all;
Sole judge of truth, in endless error hurl'd;
The glory, jest, and riddle of the world!"


--
Francis A. Miniter

Oscuramente
libros, laminas, llaves
siguen mi suerte.

Jorge Luis Borges, La Cifra Haiku, 6

Just Me

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On Sep 26, 8:42 pm, "Francis A. Miniter" <famini...@comcast.net>
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> 'David bin Lantern' wrote:
> > Abrahamic religions define morality as obedience to the commandments
> > of God, whatever He may dictate: if He ever commands us to sacrifice
> > babies, rape old widows or molest little boys it would be immoral to
> > refrain from doing so and rebellion to protest. His Law is His Word.
> > God Himself, having Executive Privilege, stands above and outside the
> > Law and morality; His Rules for humans are His gift to us, for we are
> > lesser creatures who require The Lord to tell us what to do.
>
> I was just looking at "God: A Biography" by Miles Jack
> earlier today.  He maintains that God as portrayed in the
> Hebrew Bible is a personality filled with contradictions and
> ambiguities.

So what the hell would you expect, per-the fuck-efection? What do you
think God is--a goddam saint? Give him a goddam break.

So who IS "God" and above all is Daffy Gadhafi's "Allah" one of "His"
many names or quite to the contrary is it totally NOT? On basis of
having read the Qur'an cover to cover, over a period of about six
months of sittings, whilst also at the same time entertaining my
shittings on the pot, I made my study intensive and thorough, having
more or less during this time, made a sort of altar for the book on
top of the gleaming white porcelain tank of our john from which it
never strayed, and never during all that period did I neglect to
enter
the room without first removing my shoes and bowing down low upon the
linoleum, if not exactly toward the East, toward the toilet at
least--
and if you should be willing to take my word for that, well then, God
knows, you'd be willing to believe just about anything you're told,
so
may I not also say that I have given the religion of Muamar Gadhafi a
fair shake, whether standing before the altar, or "Kaaba" (or the
"Kybo" as our ten-holer outhouse at boys camp was called) sitting
with
my bare ass to it?
Of course I fib a bit to say I never took it from off its throne to
read it also, for example while sitting in a living room chair, or in
a lawn chair out on the deck. As to the part about taking the shoes
from off my feet, and kneeling on the linoleum, in truth, that only
happened once whilst being half naked to start out with and in there
only to barf my guts out, after having eaten a couple pieces of very
bad Monterey Jack cheese--or was it Monterey Jack tofu? I can't
recall. It might have been a funny mushroom I should have known
better
than to have picked out on the lawn.
Note that whenever I use the term "God" I will always be speaking
somewhat tongue in cheek, due to the fact that I share with Jews
somewhat of a superstition about the use of that word. But while they
tremble in reverence and under great constraint of self-enforced
piety
to type "G-d" for fear of the prohibition against uttering or
representing the name of God, that would not be my concern due to the
fact that I understand the reason behind that superstition better
than
they do. I did not get it by tradition, by a handing down of dogma
but
by going as I say to sources, to the Book of Exodus and to the
Burning
Bush, right where the whole thing got started--for example, the smell
of feet that will be enough to knock you out no sooner than you have
entered the inner sanctum of any Mosque, I should think, but would
not
know for never having done so. Perhaps I am wrong about that and the
ritual of foot washing could not be more efficacious and of good
rational purpose.
Moses upon having come before the Burning Bush was ordered by "God"
to
stand right where he was, to come no closer and take the shoes from
off his feet, for he had entered upon holy ground . . .
[13] And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children
of
Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me
unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I
say
unto them?
[14] And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt
thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exodus 3
Consider the nature of that answer from "God". Think of the millions
who have puzzled over the meaning of it. "I am that I am"--? What's
that? Or what's with the "that"? As Thomas Aquinas observed it, he
thought to translate it, "I AM WHAT AM". But what if you were to do
a
little mixing and matching between the two to come up with "I AM WHAT
I AM"--what do you wind up with then? Is it the retort of rather a
churlish god who doesn't like his business being looked into so
closely? Or would it be more like a sort of crash course in
theological instruction being sternly stated to the effect of saying,
"Don't hang any of your silly man-made names on me! I am what I am.
Take your names, Moses and stick 'em where this Burning Bush don't
shine."
But because that would seem to be the most obvious, most plain, most
literal interpretation (which takes no interpretation at all) of this
text, it incensed the vanity of the priests from generation to
generation who came to read it, holy men who place a whole lot of
superstitious stock in whatever pretended powers they imagine may
come
of name invocation, conjuring, oath swearing and the like. Thus in
order to preserve such idolatrous traditions intact, they instate and
enforce a prohibition against making utterance of that phrase at all.
And they call it the sacred or secret "name of God" when in fact it
is
nothing of the kind at all! When in fact it is the direct opposite,
and no name at all, at God's insistence--and note that I have kept
the
quotes off God this time because this and only this is the nature of
a
god that such a one as myself can believe in: the kind of God who
would refuse to be named, and therefore be owned, by any particular
people of this tongue or that, this tradition or that.
And now, what would be the consequences of this for the ontology
(philosophy that investigates Being, nature and kinds of being,
supreme, mundane or otherwise) that might be understood from this?
In
another place, at the scene of the giving of the Ten Commandments,
the
children of Israel receive there the heretofore unrecognized Eleventh
Commandment--in Exodus, the 20th chapter . . .
[25] And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build
it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast
polluted it.
Think how relevant that is to God's refusal to be honored with any
raiment, decoration or engraving of names. But man being what he is,
soon finds a way to get around the commandment and soon contrives a
sort of Talmud full of ways to devise a complex of
interpretations to get around it. In the 27th Chapter of
Deuteronomy . . .
Deut 27
[4] Therefore it shall be when ye be gone over Jordan, that ye shall
set up these stones, which I command you this day, in mount Ebal, and
thou shalt plaister them with plaister.
But why would not their understanding of God's 11th Commandment have
been perfectly clear to them? How very devious of man, as always, to
suppose that by pouring plaster over the stone or stones (as they
take
it from stone to 'stones' in case their lusts, greed for advertising
and making large their piety should drive them toward the building of
a temple), in this way they can avoid the prohibition by raising
their
tools upon the plaster that is poured over the stone, and avoid
cutting into the stone.
Think of what the consequences of this has been for the preservation
of a Hebrew archaeology! Think of what rain does to plaster. See
the
peculiar fact that of all the bronze age and later ancient cultures
of
the world, it is the Hebrew that is most bereft of all in the catalog
of discovered artifacts. Observe also the peculiar anthropological or
sociological result in the manner that man lays a trap for himself
the
moment he complicates what should have been so simple, literal and
clear. What originally had been nothing more than an abolition
against
idolatry, of engraving images to represent the divine being, no
sooner
is that perverted from stone to plaster, than it is by overreaction
extended to any sort of art work altogether. And you might well
wonder how that works, except one is to understand that man is all
the
while conscious of the fact that he is messing with the 11th
Commandment, is going against the will of God in the pouring of that
plaster; underneath it all he knows this, and in one more effort to
get around it and feel real righteous all the while he's going about
it, what does he do? He goes God one better, so he would suppose, to
declare in all reverence and piety that all art is forbidden.
That's how it works. That's how crazy man is. That's how his guilt
works on him as he remains unavoidably under the consciousness of his
original sin in pouring that damned plaster because he so wanted to
gussy up the one thing that demands not to be prettied up and that is
God. Deuteronomy goes on . . .
[5] And there shalt thou build an altar unto the LORD thy God, an
altar of stones: thou shalt not lift up any iron tool upon them.
[6] Thou shalt build the altar of the LORD thy God of whole stones:
and thou shalt offer burnt offerings thereon unto the LORD thy God:
[7] And thou shalt offer peace offerings, and shalt eat there, and
rejoice before the LORD thy God.
[8] And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law
very plainly.
You may say that these people are hardly to be blamed for wanting to
preserve to their posterity the words of the Law that was given of
God. But of course! And God had said nothing to prohibit it, that
they might pour all the plaster they liked over the tablets upon
which
they may raise their tools to enscribe the Law. God was cool with
that. But as to any altar they should be moved to build for the
offering of sacrifices--don't mess with it, God said.
And why? What's the big deal about that with God? Look at the very
ritual of blood sacrifice itself and see, that by this God was
saying,
"Look at what you're doing! What on earth causes you to think I
would
order anything like that? No! Don't you DARE dress it up with gold
and
all manner of finery to make yourselves feel better about the
barbarity you practice. Leave it plain, so the stain of blood is the
only terribly smelly kind of painting that stone will ever receive.
Maybe then the point will get across, after you've lived with the
stench long enough? (See the accounts of Diaz, of his experience in
the temples of the Aztecs, where the mighty conquistadors were
throwing up all over the place.) Not with the gold or plaster to make
a slippery surface to which this bloody business will not adhere.
There's something quite crazy about it. There has to be. Because
it's through the crazy things that the will of God to uncomprehending
man, most often would become known. Moses (or some later priest
writing in the name of Moses) for some crazy reason cannot shake this
voice from his head that is saying, "Don't dress up the stone. Don't
do that!" THAT'S AS CLOSE as he can get to discerning what really is
the will of God. What do people think? That God actually speaks to
man with an audible voice? Nonsense! But something somehow moves a
man to get but the vaguest glimmer what the will and wisdom of God
might really come down to . . .
That at first in Ex.3, God is saying, "And IF thou wilt make me an
altar of stone . . ."
But as time and the centuries have worn on, so late as in Deuteronomy
27, it has come now to, "And there shalt thou build an altar unto the
LORD . . ."
How did it get from "if" to "shall" except SOMEBODY messed with the
word of God? Note the earthshaking importance in the difference
between the two. In the first and most original text, God is saying,
"Well, IF you are going to indulge yourselves in this absurd bloody
business, then keep it just as ugly as it is: no decoration! Got
that?"
In the latter text, not only is the bloody ridiculous nonsense being
commanded but the words change from "altar of stone" to "altar of the
LORD"! To the altar of WHAT? How did the sloppy, gooey plaster of
that NAME "Lord" get in there? How did it go from 'stone' to 'Lord'?
I'll tell you how it got there. It got there by disobedience to
absolutely the most fundamental teachings that the religion of Moses
owns; it comes by wearing your damned shoes in the presence of the
Burning Bush; by calling God a name he won't have because he is no
damned earthly lord or king, and WILL NOT be compared to such. Worse!
it comes by pouring the plaster of new scripture over the stone of
the
old.
Every instance of that name as applied to God in the Bible is a slap
in the face to God, and a violent, all too obvious contradiction to
what he commanded man, back toward the very beginning of the Bible,
where thank God it yet remains; where fear of God at least has worked
to preserve it, despite the dogmatic nonsense that has attended that
phrase, JHVH to change it in doctrine to a superstition and a false
understanding, even an out and out misrepresentation, to a "sacred
and
hidden name" of God.
There is no "Lord" in heaven, no fat rich king. There is God who
would
have to be known that if he is like anything upon the earth, then he
is as one unhewn stone, like a rock whose beauty is all its own.
--
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Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Francis A. Miniter" <famini...@comcast.net> wrote:
[...]

>> I was just looking at "God: A Biography" by Miles Jack
>> earlier today. He maintains that God as portrayed in the
>> Hebrew Bible is a personality filled with contradictions and
>> ambiguities.
>
> So what the hell would you expect, per-the fuck-efection? What
> do you think God is--a goddam saint? Give him a goddam break.

TAKFIR!

Miniter has only said what he read in a book, but YOU, you claim to
know the true character of God, which you further claim to be immoral
and imperfect.

Surely you shall take your seat in Hell as an apostate and blasphemer
beside that fool called Moggin.

Everlasting woe is your portion, and gnashing of teeth.

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