FAQ #1 ON JAI MAHARAJ (AKA JAY STEVENS)
Phantom
I did not write the below FAQ....
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Jai Maharaj
Jai Maharaj IS undisputedly the biggest troll/trollspammer in the universe!
SERIOUSLY! Consider this:
He has atleast 100,000 posts on Usenet
He just won't die
He's been literally living on Usenet ever since it came into existence
All of his posts are copypasta of articles advancing his point of view; none of
his posts have any moral, spiritual or commercial value
Considered to be a major factor contributing to the downfall of Usenet
Contents
1 Usenet Abuse and Crossposting Faggotry
2 Asstroll-ogy
3 Real Identity
4 Some Theories and Answers to the puzzle
5 Theory and Timeline based on the above facts
6 More Research
7 How to Annoy Jai Maharaj
Usenet Abuse and Crossposting Faggotry
What makes Jai Maharaj the biggest pest on usenet is his crossposting all over
usenet with daily news articles suggesting a vicious anti-christian and anti-muslim
slant….and vegetarianism. (Vegetarianism was invented by high caste Hindoos to
exterminate the lower caste ones by starvation). Jai claims to have been around
since the predecessor to the Internet, ARPANET was started. But again, all he
did was hijack it as a tool for his bullsh*t astrology and Hinduism. As of now,
there are 100,0000 [Update: 110,000 and climbing] of his rubbish postings dumped
all over usenet, clogging newsgroups and modem speed. All his posts contain a
signature with links to his site. As one user noticed, his postings tend to
attract a certain idiotic fringe of superstitious Hindoos who then find the link
to his website at the end of the post.
Jai Maharaj Likes... Jai Maharaj Dislikes...
Asstrology Scientists
Vegetarianism Meat-eaters
Hindu caste system (he's high caste) Members of Hindu low castes acting uppity
on Usenet...even if they are second generation Americans!
Living in USA USA
Trolling and stalking Being trolled and stalked
Homo porn Hindu porn
Hindu high caste Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindu lower castes
Being Anonymous Being trolled by Anonymous
Hinduism Any other ism
Does Jai Maharaj ever write on his own? If he could, he wouldn’t be spamming
across usenet like a nut, he would be a writer. His usual response never goes
beyond 4 lines and only consists of a screaming outburst against “xtians” and
“muslims”
and anyone who disagrees with him. But he compensates for this lack of
expression by digging up IP addresses and obtaining locations, real names and
phone numbers of his enemies, which he posts online for his devoted Hindoo pimps
to harass….or in the case of Sidharth, he notifies the authorities alleging “child
abuse”. Its no surprise that Jai is the most despised entity on Usenet and the
entire Usenet community eagerly awaits the day he will post his last.
The Mahabully, the best psychological compilation on Jai Maharaj ever. Written
by o...@cts.com and can be found here. It details his attacks on several Usenet
posters, his masturbation confessions and his IRA sympathies. To quote :
“The Mahabully lusts for the prestige and fear that an Ascendent Hindustan would
inspire, and prefers that this is realised at the expense of his race enemies.
His own voice is mean-spirited, immature and violent. The Mahabully, like other
bullies, forms the nucleus of a coterie of bullies and wanna-be bullies. His
kangaroo courts attract a cabal of marginal, schizoid personalities. The
Mahabully may pursue a vindictive vendetta against anyone who dares to hold them
accountable, perhaps using others' resources and contemptuous of the damage
caused to other people and organisations in pursuance of the vendetta. The
Mhabully 'is greedy, selfish, a parasite and an emotional vampire'. The
Mahabully imposes on others a self-aggrandising falsehood, a living lie, which
is constantly buttressed by additional distortion and lies. The Mahabully is
quick to conjure with injurious terms like 'terrorist'yet it is he himself, Jay
Stevens aka Jai Maharaj, who might fairly be accused of terrorism IMO. For
example, he has advertised a terrorist training video on Usenet.
More Resources
Jai Maharaj's bullshit on Usenet.
R Johnson has the second best compilation on Jai which can be found here.
A FAQon Jai Maharaj.
Dr. Jose Mariachi’s Compiled Killfile on Jai
Jerry Guzzman’s description of jai whom he claimed to have met Jai Maharaj.
According to him, Jai derives some sado-masochist psychotic pleasure from people
paying attention to him, whether positive or negative.(Proof that jyotshi/Brahmin
Hinduism adversely affects mental capacity?)
Asstroll-ogy
Jai Maharaj preys on ignorant Hindu fools who don’t even know the internet is on
computers….and to whom a message posted in English to usenet is the equivalent
of India test firing another ex-russian junk missile. Jai has his pimps in India
fleece these ignorant fools of their money by offering them bullshit jyotshi
predictions. In addition, Jai Maharaj seeks to push the rest of the jyotshi
scammers off his turf by copyrighting catch phrases like “prediction registry”,
“holistic jyotshi” and “mantra”! His bullshit jyotshi atrology can be seen at
work at his websites, such,
Main Asstrollogy page of Jai
Another Asstrollogy page
More Asstrollogy
How the scam works is that some idiot Hindu who cant type or comprehend stumbles
upon his usenet posts and follows the above links embedded in his signature…….and
voila! Meet jai, the predictor of their future happiness and well being. Since
hardcore materialism, hate and penis worship wash away the remaining intellect
of his adherents, they are more than willing to part away with their money for a
little guidance from a cyber-jyotshi …….and what is there to say when the
bullshit jyotshi boasts clients (unnamed of course….ahem) among all the rich and
powerful running this planet? Even the whitehouse is said to havee declared war
on timing outlined by Jai! Don't believe me? Read him right here.
Jai’s jyotshi scam simply consists of juggling various assumptions and screaming
glory when any one of them work out. Whats worse, Jai isn’t even putting up a
realistic Nostradamus like fooling game……instead he is lousy enough to let his
anti-christian and anti-muslim bias leak into his predictionsas well. Again, one
has to subscribe by contributing to his PayPal account to get access to his
bullshit predictions on future events.
Real Identity
This is the only known photograph of Jai Maharaj. It appeared on an asstrollogy
website. The following information also appeared: "Jai Maharaj, P.O. Box 1919,
Waianae, HI 96792-6919, USA, Tel: 1-808-521-8808, Email: jyot...@aol.com (Synthetics
- NO, Uparatnas - YES, Flawed gems - NO) - SERVICE: I both choose gems and also
supply gems loose or set in jewelry"
Jai Maharaj's own website has a very brief but pompous bio that runs as follows:
Jai Maharaj, who lives in Hawaii, USA, was born and raised in Varanasi and later
in other northern cities. He has been active in campaigns for both the
conservation of time-tested wisdom and the progress of Bharat. His education and
life experience include spirituality, health and medicine, architecture and
engineering, law and business, and activism in several areas. He has also
battled the enemy as a soldier in the armed forces at the border in Kashmir. Jai
Maharaj is a consultant for a think tank with the government, organizations and
individuals as clients. He is an ordained Vedic-Hindu priest. He hosts a popular,
comprehensive and well maintained news website News Plus . He monitors news
worldwide concerning India and also participates actively in many discussion
forums.
According to Mike (mi...@zang.com),
Jay Stevens hung out on Hawaii's GT Power BBS network in the late 80's early 90's.
I'm talking like 89-90, in that area. While my memories of him specifically are
vary vague, they do carry a general feeling of chronic irritation. One can be
very confident to add IBM compatibles as his platform of choice, as Hawaii's BBS
scene in that period was heavily platform segregated, and GT Power was a very
pro-PC environment, and had a large military subculture. Nothing I remember
indicates that he was in the military, however.
He is also described as being in his 60s.
In addition, several addresses have been posted on Usenet purportedly belonging
to him. They are of course, yet to be verified, but anyway here they are:
JAY R STEVENS : 4305 ALLA ROAD APT 7, MARINA DEL RAY, CA 90292
4086, GLENCOE AVE, MARINA DEL RAY, CA 90292 Tel: 310-823-3461
3940, LUTHERAN CIR, SACRAMENTO, CA 95826 ... right near the Sacramento burb of
Manlove
3168 BRAND ST, IRVINE, CA 92606 Tel: 310-375-8510; DOB: May 1940; AGE: 63;
E-Mail:j...@mantra.com;
ISPs: FLEX NET
A Whois search of Jai’s Mantra.com reveals the following:
Registrant:Mantra Corporation (MANTRA-DOM),P. O. Box 1919, Honolulu, HI 96792-6919
US
Administrative Contact:Maharaj, Jai (JM225) j...@FLEX.COM
Mantra Corporation
P. O. Box 1919
Waianae, HI 96792-6919 US
(808) 581-8808 fax: 999 999 9999
Technical Contact:Wong, Del (DW403) d...@FLEX.COM
P.O.Box 22481
HONOLULU, HI 96822-2481 US
(808) 539-3790 fax: (808) 539-3793
In the early days of the Internet, Shyamasundara Dasa had an ugly business
dealing with Jai, whichallowed him these personal tidbits:
Date of birth: Oct 7, 1946, 9:15AM
Place of birth: New Delhi, India
Real name: Jai Mathura (but was using Jai Stevens)
Address: as given above
Phone: 808-948-4357
FAX: 808-696-3217
Usenet user Reginald Perrin managed to dig up the incorporation papers of Mantra.com.
He managed to come up with information that Jay Stevens (Jai Mirage, Jai Maharaj)
is one of the founding officers (the other being Joan Miller) of Mantra
Corporation, which was incorporated in Hawaii on November 30, 1990 issued 1000
shares. It's an astrology scam masquerading as a business consulting and
marketing outfit, with 2 shareholders.
From a Hawaii state web site:
NAME: MANTRA CORPORATION
STATUS: A
CONSENT:
SIM-NAME:
DATE-INC: 11/30/1990
TERM: PER
DATE-EXP:
ADDRESS: P. O. BOX 1919 WAIANAE HI 96792 6919
PURPOSE: BUSINESS CONSULTING, MARKETING,ADVERTISING AND RELATED
SERVICES
SEC DEALER:
VOTE:
VOTE DATE:
REPORTS=> CURR-YR: LAST-YR: 1993 PRIOR-YR: 1992
DELINQUENT:
OFFICERS AS OF 11/30/1990
STEVENS,JAY R POSITION: *P/S/D
MILLER,JOAN E POSITION: *V/T/D
STOCK AS OF 11/30/1990
COMMON SHARES: 1,000 PAID IN:
1,000
PAR-VAL:
TRAN-DATE--ST-TYPE-REMARKS
11/30/1990 C ART ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
As you can see, mantra.com is incorporated in the name of JAY R. STEVENS and we
can safely assume its his real name. Joan Miller may either be Jai's Indian wife
with a changed name, or a a chickin.
Dell Wong
As you can see in the technical contact of Mantra.com, a certain Dell Wong is
listed. Dell Wong can be several things:
1.An employee/frontman of Jay Stevens
2.A business partner of Jay Stevens
3.A legal alias of Jay Stevens. (under law, it is possible to have a legal alias
provided its listed with the authorities)
4. A completely non-related entity who has become guilty by association with
flex.com, which hosts mantra.com and appears to be complacent towards Jai's
trolling activities.
It has been assumed that Del Wong is nothing but Jay Stevens’ frontman, whom Jay
uses in his real legal and business affairs. Del Wong has been ruled out as
being an alias of Jai since his photodoes not resemble a desi. He may be local
Hawaiian or Chinese.
Or who knows? It could be Jai. Well anyway, the contact info of of Mr . Wong
from a Hawaii government tax site is as follows:
Agent Name DEL WONG
Agent Address 2800 WOOD LAWN DR STE 254
HONOLULU Hawaii 96822
United States of America
Business Entity Name FLEXNET, INC.
Record Type Master Name for a Domestic Profit Corporation
File Number 99105 D1
Status Active
Purpose TO PROVIDE HIGH-SPEED COMMERCIAL INTERNET CONNECTIVITY
FOR HAWAII BASED ORGANIZATION COMPANIES AND INDIVIDUALS;
Place Incorporated Hawaii UNITED STATES (Same as mantra.com)
Incorporation Date 03/13/1995
Mailing Address P O BOX 22481 HONOLULU Hawaii 96823-2481
United States of America
Xref Name 1 FLEX NET
Term PER
Some Theories and Answers to the puzzle
The great mystery regarding jay Stevens is why his ISP, FLEX.COM has never
kicked him off than take the trouble and complaints, especially since he pays a
measly $9.95/ month to stay online. The most plausible answer is that Jay
Stevens owns Flex.com through Dell Wong! It seems Jay originally sneaked into
the United States disguised as one of the thousands of mass produced computer
coolies. In his initial years, his computer coolie skills blossomed but once he
managed to escape the work gang and apply for permanent residence, he reverted
back to being the bullshit jyotshi hatemonger he always was. However, before his
computer skills waned, his computer coolie skills helped him set up Hawaii’s
first ISP, Flex.com and once the cash started flowing, jay discovered there was
plenty of time to spend on his vedic jyotshi asstrollogy as well as pursuing his
hates.
Many have wondered how Jay manages to stay online 24/7 and yet retain his
humanity. The answer is that when he is not cross posting hate, he is managing
Flex.com. In other words he is half robot half demon.
A WHOIS of Flex.com reveals the following:
Registrant:
flexnet inc.
p.o.box 22481
honolulu, Hawaii 96823-2481 United States
Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Created on: 24-Sep-91
Admin. Contact:
wong, del d...@flex.com
flexnet inc.
p.o.box 22481
honolulu, Hawaii 96823-2481 United States
(808) 539-3790 Fax --
Technical Contact:
wong, del d...@flex.com
flexnet inc.
p.o.box 22481
honolulu, Hawaii 96823-2481 United States
(808) 539-3790 Fax –
Del Wong (or Jai Stevens?) is the founder-owner of Flex.com.
Theory and Timeline based on the above facts
Jai Maharaj/Jay Stevens sneaked into the United States as an average grade mass-produced
computer coolie. Here are some facts derived from an online interview between
Caroline Wright and ‘Dell Wong’, who happens to sound more like Jai.
Studied at University of Hawaii at Manoa(might be a good idea to ask them)
ran a bbs for eight years prior to that
got kicked out by U.H., got his sister in-law in trouble by abusing her internet
access privileges.
Then started ISP service in July 12th 1994 under several different names, such
as Flex.com (of which he indicates had its first employee named Kristin Paulo
who started Hula.net)
He was also involved in the setup of several local Hawai ISPs
Did Web programming with Jeff Tupa who became webmaster and system administrator
for Flex.com. *Tupa is said to have left on 12/29/03.
Had a partner by the name Del Wong
Though the respondent in this interview is referred to as Dell Wong, it sounds
exactly like Jai. And since it was conducted via email, it is more than probable
that Jai was on the other end. For example, this interview is located on the
Flex.com website in the "who are we" tab. Rather than give a brief info on the
company and its history, we find an online interview with Caroline Wright
entitled "Curiousity Killed the cat." Further, there are too many arrogant and
vague comments made through the interview which sound more like Jai. This
interview was conducted in January 2000, but don’t be surprised if Jai removed
or edited it.
Consider these arrogant and nonchalant comments in the interview which are a
trademark of Jai.
Lots of prospects get put off by our/my "attitude", but heck, FlexNet is Del
Wong.
I don't bother anymore reading the dang thing. As I said before our present
modem situation is crappy. But again, by the time this article comes out, we
will again rock in that department. No worry.
(Caroline Wright asks)Who is the staff of FlexNet? Are you a one-man band? Is
Missus Wong still helping you out? Is Flex your only business, or do you have
other irons in the fire? What are they?
(Jai/Wong answers)Everything is secret. Don't Tell, Don't Ask.
The question of Jai owning Flex.com has surfaced before on Usenet.As usual, Jai
brings forth his sockpuppets to dissuade people from further pursuing the topic.
Take this thread,
Siva K Sundaram wrote:Dr. Jai Maharaj (supposed) real name is Jay Stevens (based
on Net info,one can't know for sure if that's his actual real name). His web
site's domain name, mantra.com, identified as belonging to Mantra Corporation,has
an IP address (206.126.0.13) matching the domain for the Hawaiian ISP flex.com,
which Mr. Stevens (probably) owns and runs.
To this, a sockpuppet of Jai responds:
Jay Stevens doesn't own or run shit! He's a mercenary for the VHP, paid by a
well-known Indian doctor who "operates" from Houston. I say he's a mercenary,
because he does not live what he purports to preach, and because he is paid for
the propaganda and recruitment efforts. Flex.com is *not* owned or operated by
Jay, but they do host some services for him, for a fee, of course. His spamming,
discerning readers will note, stems not from flex.com(which has a stern policy
in that regard), but from a no-holds-barred Usenet provider called Altopia:
A more intelligent Usenet user writes:
Right, that's discernible from examining the source of his posts, that he uses
Altopia for his NNTP services. However, I can't buy the claim that flex.com
merely hosts services for Mr.Stevens. The domain names flex.com and mantra.com
map to the same IP address.If flex.com merely hosted services for mantra.com,
then mantra.com would have to map to a different IP address.(Note that Jai may
have corrected this)So Mr. Stevens' (if that's his real name) relationship with
flex.com is clearly More than just being a customer. And there's evidence that
Mr. Stevens is trying to hide that fact. He has a web Page at http://www.flex.com/~jai
which suggests that he's a customer of that ISP. He also has a separate page for
his "organization", http://www.mantra.com (address 206.126.13.34), which also
suggests a pure customer relationship, since The address apparently is on the
flex.com subnet. However, the following is unusual. Since mantra.com has the
same IP address as Flex.com, one should expect to reach the flex.com web site by
entering Mantra.com as a URL in a browser, but this does not happen! Rather, the
HTTP Server "magically" recognizes the mantra.com name and redirects the request
to 206.126.13.34, to www.mantra.com! Further evidence that Mr. Stevens is trying
To hide his more intimate relationship with flex.com.
More Research
Please contact Anonymous and request more research.
How to Annoy Jai Maharaj
Respond to his Usenet posts with a copypasta of this article.
Accuse him of murdering rival asstrollogers
Create an online game in which vegetables have to escape from being eaten by him
Call him Pakistani
Jai Maharaj is part of a series on Usenet.
Jai Maharaj
is part of a series on Web 1.0
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
Stray Dog (Arthur E. Sowers, Art Sowers for short) <sdog...@sdf.lonestar.org>
posting as Phantom <qcw...@sdf.lonestar.org> posted:
>
> [Deleted - Malicious defamation based on lies.]
Arthur Sowers (Stray Dog)'s deep-seated ill-will against the USA
In article <49ef9a96$0$5489$bbae...@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> posted:
> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>> In article <49ef7675$0$5496$bbae...@news.suddenlink.net>,
>> "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> posted:
>>> Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
>>>> In article <49ee4c78$0$5477$bbae...@news.suddenlink.net>,
>>>> "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> posted:
>>>>> "Stray Dog" <sdog...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Pine.NEB.4.64.09...@sdf.lonestar.org...
>>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> don't pay no attention to brown missionaries.
>>>>
>>>> Good advice, but will Art Sowers (Straydog) take it?
>>
>>> isn't he showing contradictions? on one side he wants all to be happy.
>>> when
>>> the hindus, long tormented, finally are able to say how happy they are,
>>> he
>>> says he doesn't want to hear it, and calls it bragging. you tell him how
>>> terribel the muslim terror is, he wants to join up with old piff and talk
>>> about sati.
>>> straydog strays too much.
>> Yes there's a lot of evidence of Stray Dog (Arthur E.
>> Sowers) straying from the truth, that is if he ever was no
>> a truthful path. He seems to be offering support to Muslim
>> terrorists through at least his online behavior by trying
>> to distract from the issue under discussion. Also, when I
>> asked him if he too considers the US to be the biggest
>> terrorist state in the world, as Arindam Banerjee does,
>> Sowers instead started citing instances of what he
>> considers to be acts of terrorism by the United States. By
>> publishing their own words, both Art Sowers and Arindam
>> Banerjee have expressed their deep-seated ill-will against
>> the United States of America.
>> - Jai Maharaj
> this is so shocking!!!
> beyond shocking.
> arindam i understand - i mean i don't, but can figure him out - but art??!!
> do you think arindam finally did a number on him finally?
> i bin warnin the good americans about the brown indian commie professors
> teaching history and the "south asia studies" at universities all over the
> usa.
> of course, the wonderful hindu professors teaching math, science business
> and other gainfull subjects must not be confused with here. (you can't be
> too careful in clarifying)
Yes, below is the evidence of the fact that Stray Dog
(Arthur E. Sowers or Art Sowers for short) considers the
Uited States to be a terrorist state, just as Arindam
Banerjee does. When will the antagonism against the US
displayed by Art Sowers and his counterpart turn into
acts of sabotage or violence against the US?
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[ On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, use...@mantra.com wrote:
[
[ > I have not familiarized myself yet with "Rod Speed" and
[ > his or her work, - Jai Maharaj
[
[ Do you read any of what he writes? If so, how much of
[ what he writes do you read? - Stray Dog
[
[ > but is "Rod Speed" as undesirable as, say, the
[ > poster who calls the US the "biggest terrorist state"?
[ > - Jai Maharaj
[
[ Well, if you read any history of the CIA, which for decades
[ has been involved in undermining any governments not to the
[ "interests of the USA" and carrying out missions to at
[ least some degree outside the knowledge and power of our
[ elected leaders, and very highly kept secret from the
[ American people, and together with the NSA, spying on
[ virtually everyone, and with a budget variously estimated
[ at some $30-35 billion, then the only question is: does
[ Russia or China or _who_ have a bigger budget for their
[ spy/espionage organizations?
[
[ The first book I ever read (in 1960s) was "The Invisible
[ Government" by Rose? and Wise? (I could look it up for you)
[ and all about what was known about the CIA. They did a lot
[ of nasty things, some of which came out later, publically,
[ and they were even doing things they were not supposed to
[ be doing. I recall that when the CIA found out this book
[ was coming out, they sent an agent to the publisher
[ offering to buy the whole first printing to keep the book
[ out of the hands of the public. However, today, both the
[ CIA and NSA even have public websites. I have visited them.
[ Be my guest. I'm sure you will not find full disclosures of
[ everything they are doing.
[
[ The British government also attempted to block
[ publication/sale of "Spycatcher" (about British
[ intelligence) in the UK but it appeared elsewhere and I
[ read that book, too.
[
[ Might the hiring, by the US govt, of many (tens of
[ thousands?+/-) Blackwater non-military but well-armed
[ private "assistants" (para-military) to help our "regular"
[ soldiers in Iraq constitute a form of "state-supported"
[ force that could do things that were technically outside
[ the normal international rules of warfare? i.e.
[ "terrorism"? And, I recall some order coming out of Bush
[ 2's office before he went to war with Iraq that he
[ instructed our spy agencies to try to assassinate Saddam.
[
[ Was the supply of weapons to Afghanistan anti-Russian
[ resistance fighters in the '70s+/- a form of unjustified
[ interference in Afghan internal affairs? The story is that
[ some of this contributed to the birth of Al-Queda, which is
[ the outcome we don't want. There are many other examples,
[ but I am not so familiar with very many of them.
[
[ Of course, you can find, if you dig, references to the
[ espionage and spy agencies of many influential countries:
[ China, Russia, India, Paki, England, France, Germany, and
[ Israel (at least), are all known to have spy/agent
[ organizations (Mossad in Israel, KGB/GRU in Russia [the old
[ names], MI-5,-6 in England, to name a few that come to
[ mind). The US has several others besides NSA/CIA.
[
[ Industrial spying (but much less so any sabotage) is well
[ known in the commercial world. Sometimes it is called
[ "business intelligence" or "marketing research." Very
[ innocent names.
[
[ You can also, if you want, decide that some large fraction
[ of all these stories are "disinformation" if you want, or
[ conspiracy theory, but the CIA does exist and I have driven
[ by the main NSA installation in Maryland, many times, and
[ they have serious fences around it. I don't think they are
[ playing cards or chess games inside.
[
[ And, when I was in the US military, I was involved in
[ classified (weapons-related) work, myself. They take all of
[ this very seriously.
[
[ By the way, they also had spies thousands of years ago. The
[ Trojan Horse was a pretty good espionage/sabotage trick,
[ too.
[
[ > In article <Pine.NEB.4.64.0904082242050.23...@sdf.lonestar.org>,
[ > Stray Dog <sdog2...@sdf.lonestar.org> posted:
[ >>
[ >>
[ >> ....copy the following phrase (below the row of asterisks) to a file, then
[ >> copy and paste it back under his first line of response. It will save you
[ >> a lot of time and effort for the other authors who always write material
[ >> more worthy of attention and thoughtfulness.
[ >>
[ >> **********************************************
[ >>
[ >> <reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit your way out of your
[ >> predicament
[ >> that fools absolutely no one at all, as always, flushed where it belongs>
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[ Subject: Re: If you get sick and tired of Rod Speed.....
[ From: Dr. Jai Maharaj
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[ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:35:33 UTC
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[
[ In article <Pine.NEB.4.64.0904090112150.13...@sdf.lonestar.org>,
[ Stray Dog <sdog2...@sdf.lonestar.org> posted:
[
[ > On Thu, 9 Apr 2009, Dr. Jai Maharaj posted:
[
[ >> I have not familiarized myself yet with "Rod Speed" and
[ >> his or her work,
[
[ > Do you read any of what he writes? If so, how much of
[ > what he writes do you read?
[
[ I haven't paid much attention to the "From:" header in
[ certain cases, over the years, one such being where the
[ "Subject:" header didn't interest me. But now that you've
[ brought Rod Speed to my attention . . .
[
[ >> but is "Rod Speed" as undesirable as, say, the
[ >> poster who calls the US the "biggest terrorist state"?
[
[ > Well, if you read any history of the CIA, which for decades
[ > has been involved in undermining any governments not to the
[ > "interests of the USA" and carrying out missions to at
[ > least some degree outside the knowledge and power of our
[ > elected leaders, and very highly kept secret from the
[ > American people, and together with the NSA, spying on
[ > virtually everyone, and with a budget variously estimated
[ > at some $30-35 billion, then the only question is: does
[ > Russia or China or _who_ have a bigger budget for their
[ > spy/espionage organizations?
[ >
[ > The first book I ever read (in 1960s) was "The Invisible
[ > Government" by Rose? and Wise? (I could look it up for you)
[ > and all about what was known about the CIA. They did a lot
[ > of nasty things, some of which came out later, publically,
[ > and they were even doing things they were not supposed to
[ > be doing. I recall that when the CIA found out this book
[ > was coming out, they sent an agent to the publisher
[ > offering to buy the whole first printing to keep the book
[ > out of the hands of the public. However, today, both the
[ > CIA and NSA even have public websites. I have visited them.
[ > Be my guest. I'm sure you will not find full disclosures of
[ > everything they are doing.
[ >
[ > The British government also attempted to block
[ > publication/sale of "Spycatcher" (about British
[ > intelligence) in the UK but it appeared elsewhere and I
[ > read that book, too.
[ >
[ > Might the hiring, by the US govt, of many (tens of
[ > thousands?+/-) Blackwater non-military but well-armed
[ > private "assistants" (para-military) to help our "regular"
[ > soldiers in Iraq constitute a form of "state-supported"
[ > force that could do things that were technically outside
[ > the normal international rules of warfare? i.e.
[ > "terrorism"? And, I recall some order coming out of Bush
[ > 2's office before he went to war with Iraq that he
[ > instructed our spy agencies to try to assassinate Saddam.
[ >
[ > Was the supply of weapons to Afghanistan anti-Russian
[ > resistance fighters in the '70s+/- a form of unjustified
[ > interference in Afghan internal affairs? The story is that
[ > some of this contributed to the birth of Al-Queda, which is
[ > the outcome we don't want. There are many other examples,
[ > but I am not so familiar with very many of them.
[ >
[ > Of course, you can find, if you dig, references to the
[ > espionage and spy agencies of many influential countries:
[ > China, Russia, India, Paki, England, France, Germany, and
[ > Israel (at least), are all known to have spy/agent
[ > organizations (Mossad in Israel, KGB/GRU in Russia [the old
[ > names], MI-5,-6 in England, to name a few that come to
[ > mind). The US has several others besides NSA/CIA.
[ >
[ > Industrial spying (but much less so any sabotage) is well
[ > known in the commercial world. Sometimes it is called
[ > "business intelligence" or "marketing research." Very
[ > innocent names.
[ >
[ > You can also, if you want, decide that some large fraction
[ > of all these stories are "disinformation" if you want, or
[ > conspiracy theory, but the CIA does exist and I have driven
[ > by the main NSA installation in Maryland, many times, and
[ > they have serious fences around it. I don't think they are
[ > playing cards or chess games inside.
[ >
[ > And, when I was in the US military, I was involved in
[ > classified (weapons-related) work, myself. They take all of
[ > this very seriously.
[ >
[ > By the way, they also had spies thousands of years ago. The
[ > Trojan Horse was a pretty good espionage/sabotage trick,
[ > too.
[
[ Espionage and counter-espionage, in my view, are necessary
[ for safety and security. What can you say more about the
[ work you did in the military?
[
[ But (repeating the question) is "Rod Speed" as undesirable
[ as, say, the poster who calls the US the "biggest terrorist
[ state"?
[
[ Jai Maharaj
[ http://www.mantra.com/jyotish
[ Om Shanti
[
[ >> In article <Pine.NEB.4.64.0904082242050.23...@sdf.lonestar.org>,
[ >> Stray Dog <sdog2...@sdf.lonestar.org> posted:
[ >>>
[ >>>
[ >>> ....copy the following phrase (below the row of asterisks) to a file, then
[ >>> copy and paste it back under his first line of response. It will save you
[ >>> a lot of time and effort for the other authors who always write material
[ >>> more worthy of attention and thoughtfulness.
[ >>>
[ >>> **********************************************
[ >>>
[ >>> <reams of your desperate attempt to bullshit your way out of your
[ >>> predicament
[ >>> that fools absolutely no one at all, as always, flushed where it belongs>
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harmony
plea against giving the hindus h1b visas?
<use...@mantra.com and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)> wrote in
message news:20090511Tm8cNg5D5qZ1XnVt3D14544@Us9Zd...
and/or www.mantra.com/jai
the US just as there are anti-Bharat entities within Bharat
(for example, the 3m).
In article <4a1d710b$0$23756$bbae...@news.suddenlink.net>,
"harmony" <a...@hotmail.com> posted:
> why is art anti-usa? is it because the u.s govt won't listen to his years of
> plea against giving the hindus h1b visas?
>
>