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Jeff of Cluetrain

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I am a fan of the 1920s expat circles of Paris. I have read A
moveable feast by Hemingway, That Summer in Paris by Callaghan
(Ihave the first edition). Are there any other autobiographical
accounts of that time out there? Thanks all and bring on the
Hem, Fitz, Morley lovers.!


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OFurorHortensis

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> Are there any other autobiographical
>accounts of that time out there?

"Being Geniuses Together" by Robert McAlmon. Seek the edition with the forward
and additions by Kay Boyle.

FurorHortensis

Jim Ward

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Jeff of Cluetrain <thecaswel...@sympatico.ca.invalid> wrote:

> I am a fan of the 1920s expat circles of Paris. I have read A
> moveable feast by Hemingway, That Summer in Paris by Callaghan
> (Ihave the first edition). Are there any other autobiographical
> accounts of that time out there? Thanks all and bring on the
> Hem, Fitz, Morley lovers.!

"Down and Out in Paris and London" by George Orwell

David E. Latane

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Wasn't that in the 1930s?

Here's the reading list from a colleague's "American Writer's in Paris"
course:

Texts

Cowley, Malcolm. Exile's Return: A Literary Odyssey of the 1920s.
Cummings, E. E. The Enormous Room
Hemingway, Ernest. A Moveable Feast.
-----------------. The Sun Also Rises.
Liebling, A.J. Between Meals: An Appetite for Paris.
McAlmon, Robert & Kay Boyle. Being Geniuses Together: 1920-1930.
McKay, Claude. Banjo.
Stein, Gertrude. Paris France.

Plus a packet containing these pieces/excerpts which I will hand
out:

Hemingway, Ernest. "Soldier&#146;s Home."
Pound, Ezra. Selection from "Hugh Selwyn Mauberly."
Stein, Gertrude. from The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas.
Stein, Gertrude. Selected poems and prose.
Crosby, Harry. Selected Poems.
Crosby, Harry. "The Sun."
Fitzgerald, F. Scott. "Babylon Revisited."


D. Latane


Jeff of Cluetrain

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That is teriffic! Tell your friend about Callaghan's That
Summer In Paris. Cally was the one who knocked out Hemingway in
a boxing match. Fitzgerald was the time keeper. For that story
alone this book is worth it.
Cheers,
Jeff

pet...@ms.com

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In article <14f70dfe...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com>,

Jeff of Cluetrain <thecaswel...@sympatico.ca.invalid> wrote:
> I am a fan of the 1920s expat circles of Paris. I have read A
> moveable feast by Hemingway, That Summer in Paris by Callaghan
> (Ihave the first edition). Are there any other autobiographical
> accounts of that time out there? Thanks all and bring on the
> Hem, Fitz, Morley lovers.!
>

How about the Sylvia Beach and Gertrude Stein lovers, as well?

Sylvia Beach and the Loast Generation: Literary Paris in the 20's
and 30's by Noel Reily Fitch. I just finished this and it's very
good. Basicaly about Beah and the bookshop, Shakespeare & Co. and
her relationship to Joyce and the publishing of Ulysses

Charmed Circle by James Mellow (who also has a good bio of Hemingway)
A bio of Gertrude, her brother Leo, and Alice B.)

Hemingway and the Little Magazines is kind of a dual biography; Of
Hemingway, of the little Magazines and the people who founded them,
and the relationship between each of them in the 20's.

Hemingway and Fitzgerals: A dangerous Friendship centers around the
Paris years. By Broccoli (?)


And a few good things about this time and place...

The Hollow Years by Giles is a history of Paris between the wars.

Body and Soul: the Making of American Modernism, but emphasizing the
impact of the American and Spanish Ex-pats in Paris on the origination
and development of Modernism in writing, painting, music, etc.

The French in Love and War is another cultural history but of a longer
period of time. Say pre-WWI to just post WWII.

hth
Pjk

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Jim Ward

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David E. Latane <dla...@saturn.vcu.edu> wrote:

>> "Down and Out in Paris and London" by George Orwell

> Wasn't that in the 1930s?

You're right! As I get older I find I like Orwell much more than
Hemingway. I hope people keep reading him, so he stays in print.

When I visited Paris for the first time this year I walked by Stein's
and Hem's old digs - their apartments were nicely set up, near the
Luxembourg Gardens. If that's artistic poverty, count me in!

David E. Latane

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On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 pet...@ms.com wrote:

> Hemingway and Fitzgerals: A dangerous Friendship centers around the
> Paris years. By Broccoli (?)

I say it's spinach and I say to hell with it. . . .

D. latane

Jim Ward

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Jeff of Cluetrain <thecaswel...@sympatico.ca.invalid> wrote:

> I am a fan of the 1920s expat circles of Paris. I have read A
> moveable feast by Hemingway, That Summer in Paris by Callaghan
> (Ihave the first edition). Are there any other autobiographical
> accounts of that time out there? Thanks all and bring on the
> Hem, Fitz, Morley lovers.!

On a related, but tangential note, if you're a jazz age fan, check
out the art of Tamara de Lempicka - she was in Paris too.

http://www.primenet.com/~byoder/artoftdl.htm

Can anyone recommend a gossipy book about the artists of that era?
Stein and her crew decorate their walls with Picasso, but the
writing and painting sets don't mix - rival gangs (Sharks vs. Jets).
Of course the writers give out the best dish (on each other),
but surely the artists were just as flamboyant.

Lou de Torres

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Aug 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM8/11/00
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In article <8mucco$5vr$1...@news1.Radix.Net>,

Jim Ward <j...@saltmine.radix.net> wrote:
> David E. Latane <dla...@saturn.vcu.edu> wrote:
>
> >> "Down and Out in Paris and London" by George Orwell
>
> > Wasn't that in the 1930s?
>
> You're right! As I get older I find I like Orwell much more than
> Hemingway. I hope people keep reading him, so he stays in print.
>
Agreed about Orwell.

Was Somerset Maugham's The Razor's Edge set in 1920s Paris? I seem to
remember it was. God knows why I like that book -- it's not my style at
all. It reminds of Thornton Wilder's The Eighth Day. Which was
considered a failure and I don't know why I like that one either. Maybe
because the protaganists did things there own way and damned what
others thought about them (to unexcusably simplify the plots).

"We are the children of the eighth day."
-- Thornton Wilder

Regards,
Lou de Torres


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should end there.
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Irina Bondarenko

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Jeff of Cluetrain <thecaswel...@sympatico.ca.invalid>
wrote:
>I am a fan of the 1920s expat circles of Paris. I have read A
>moveable feast by Hemingway, That Summer in Paris by Callaghan
>(Ihave the first edition). Are there any other autobiographical
>accounts of that time out there? Thanks all and bring on the
>Hem, Fitz, Morley lovers.!

_The Tropic of Cancer_ I believe is autobiographical.
_The Sun Also Rises_ and _Tender Is the Night_ are as well and
take place partly in Paris.

Not autobiographical, but definitely on the subject, is the
film "Paris Was A Woman." It's a documentary based on the book
of the same title by Andrea Weiss. It focuses mainly on
Gertrude Stein, Alice B. Toklas, and Sylvia Beach's book store,
especially wrt Joyce's betrayal. The book may have more about
other people though.

Irina

jimC

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Irina Bondarenko wrote:
>
> Jeff of Cluetrain <thecaswel...@sympatico.ca.invalid>
> wrote:
> >I am a fan of the 1920s expat circles of Paris. I have read A
> >moveable feast by Hemingway, That Summer in Paris by Callaghan
> >(Ihave the first edition). Are there any other autobiographical
> >accounts of that time out there? Thanks all and bring on the
> >Hem, Fitz, Morley lovers.!
>
> _The Tropic of Cancer_ I believe is autobiographical.
> _The Sun Also Rises_ and _Tender Is the Night_ are as well and
> take place partly in Paris.
>
> Not autobiographical, but definitely on the subject, is the
> film "Paris Was A Woman." It's a documentary based on the book
> of the same title by Andrea Weiss. It focuses mainly on
> Gertrude Stein, Alice B. Toklas, and Sylvia Beach's book store,
> especially wrt Joyce's betrayal. The book may have more about
> other people though.

Wasn't there any woman in Paris a nice straight boy like me could
approach? When I worked in St-Denis, they were very effable, er
affable in the suburbs on weeknights.

jimC

Irina Bondarenko

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That doesn't sound very nice.

Irina
(Anais Nin was straight, or at least bi, but I don't know about
approachable. Zelda F. maybe)

Maureen & Stephen Scobie

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In article <14f70dfe...@usw-ex0106-045.remarq.com>, Jeff of
Cluetrain <thecaswel...@sympatico.ca.invalid> wrote:

> I am a fan of the 1920s expat circles of Paris. I have read A
> moveable feast by Hemingway, That Summer in Paris by Callaghan
> (Ihave the first edition). Are there any other autobiographical
> accounts of that time out there? Thanks all and bring on the
> Hem, Fitz, Morley lovers.!

Perhaps the liveliest of them all, though also the least reliable from
a strictly factual point of view:

John Glassco, Memoirs of Montparnasse.


Stephen

jimC

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Irina Bondarenko wrote:
>
> jimC <jimc...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >Irina Bondarenko wrote:
> >>
> >> Jeff of Cluetrain <thecaswel...@sympatico.ca.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >> >I am a fan of the 1920s expat circles of Paris. I have read
> A
> >> >moveable feast by Hemingway, That Summer in Paris by
> Callaghan
> >> >(Ihave the first edition). Are there any other
> autobiographical
> >> >accounts of that time out there? Thanks all and bring on the
> >> >Hem, Fitz, Morley lovers.!
> >>
> >> _The Tropic of Cancer_ I believe is autobiographical.
> >> _The Sun Also Rises_ and _Tender Is the Night_ are as well and
> >> take place partly in Paris.
> >>
> >> Not autobiographical, but definitely on the subject, is the
> >> film "Paris Was A Woman." It's a documentary based on the
> book
> >> of the same title by Andrea Weiss. It focuses mainly on
> >> Gertrude Stein, Alice B. Toklas, and Sylvia Beach's book
> store,
> >> especially wrt Joyce's betrayal. The book may have more about
> >> other people though.
> >
> >Wasn't there any woman in Paris a nice straight boy like me
> could
> >approach? When I worked in St-Denis, they were very effable, er
> >affable in the suburbs on weeknights.
>
> That doesn't sound very nice.

Paris is a spectacularly nice city, to me anyway, because it
reminds me of New York without the problems of New York. In
Paris, does one look warily behind oneself in the vulnerable
moment just before squeezing into the driver's seat of a small
car? Any place where the affluent congregate at McDonald's
is on a pleasantly zany warp with respect to the rest of the
universe.

jimC

Irina Bondarenko

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I meant you, not Paris. As in would a nice boy characterize
ladies as effable?

> In
>Paris, does one look warily behind oneself in the vulnerable
>moment just before squeezing into the driver's seat of a small
>car?

Yeah, definitely a small car. But then, in Paris, would a sane
person drive? Excepting perhaps in the month of August.

>Any place where the affluent congregate at McDonald's
>is on a pleasantly zany warp with respect to the rest of the
>universe.

Very true.

ObDirector: Eric Rohmer

Irina

Paul Ilechko

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Irina Bondarenko wrote:
>

> I meant you, not Paris. As in would a nice boy characterize
> ladies as effable?

Only if they were french ?

ted samsel

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"David E. Latane" wrote:

ObBillBoard: EAT YOUR BROCCOLI, GEORGE. (Seen around the Beltway in 1992,

courtesy of Lyndon LaRouche)

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Francis Muir

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ted samsel wrote:
>
> "David E. Latane" wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 10 Aug 2000 pet...@ms.com wrote:
> >
> > > Hemingway and Fitzgerals: A dangerous Friendship centers around the
> > > Paris years. By Broccoli (?)
> >
> > I say it's spinach and I say to hell with it. . . .
> >
> > D. latane
>
> ObBillBoard: EAT YOUR BROCCOLI, GEORGE. (Seen around the Beltway in 1992,
>
> courtesy of Lyndon LaRouche)

Did Geo's not eating broccoli account for Shrub's small stature? Someone
pointed out the larger the room the smaller he becomes.

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