How "Green" Does it Get?
Just Me
> "Just Me" <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> -Yes. But in this case, there's quite a bit more involved when it comes
> -to a hot looking Alaskan bush league babe of a modern day Teddy
> -Roosevelt like Sarah Palin. She gives voice, "Drill, Baby, Drill!" to
> -the common sense strain of American intelligence that knows better
> -what is necessary for the economic health of this country, over and
> -above a lot of half-baked progressive-liberal, green "ideas".
>
> -Oh
> >snip<
>
> Gawd, you haven't yet learned the meaning o0f 'brevity', have you. You're
> still the poster-boy for self-indulgent prose.
Yeah, you know where you can stick that, Malcolm. The "meaning of
brevity" often as not is nothing to say. And for people who have
nothing to say, being brief is a true virtue, i.e. until they start to
get all snarky and humorless about it with those who do have something
to say, and that is the ONLY "self-indulgent" jive going down here.
LIKE I was saying . . .
Oh yes. And "green" is indeed the word. They couldn't have chosen
better, short of "wet behind the ears".
It does not take a graduate of Harvard Law School to get it figured
out that leaving valuable natural resources laying untapped in the
ground is insane, psychotic, plain nuts; absolutely the most stupid
and irresponsible thing that man can ever come to on this planet. To
leave it there and go off dreaming in the wind and sun and the corn
fields about the green "solutions of tomorrow" while the price of gas
at the pump today is throwing us all into another world-wide
depression--that's "green" all right. It's wet behind the ears in the
fullest possible meaning of the thing: born yesterday, green-horned,
naive.
Dreamers say, "It'll take years before that ANWR oil is flowing
through the pipeline, so it's not the way to do." Sarah Palin says,
"Because it'll take years, that is WHY it is Drill Baby, Drill, NOW."
Every American with the least shred of Sarah Palin style good Alaskan
caribou sense knows what every Harvard grad hasn't the work-world life
experience to know.
No, you will not find the kind of pseudo-knowledge that comes from
Harvard classes in "environmental science" in the head of Sarah Palin,
THANK GOD. What you find instead is the kind of can-do common sense
that built both your nation and mine, with little or no help from the
dreamers in the left-leaning ivory tower of Pizza and Beer at Harvard.
--
JM http://whosenose.blogspot.com
danger...@gmail.com
> No, you will not find the kind of pseudo-knowledge that comes from
> Harvard classes in "environmental science" in the head of Sarah Palin,
> THANK GOD. What you find instead is the kind of can-do common sense
> that built both your nation and mine, with little or no help from the
> dreamers in the left-leaning ivory tower of Pizza and Beer at Harvard.
If you think Sarah is the poster girl for common sense, well...okay.
That says much about you.
DB
Piet de Arcilla
Just Me wrote:
> No, you will not find the kind of pseudo-knowledge that comes from
> Harvard classes in "environmental science" in the head of Sarah Palin,
> THANK GOD. What you find instead is the kind of can-do common sense
> that built both your nation and mine, with little or no help from the
> dreamers in the left-leaning ivory tower of Pizza and Beer at Harvard.
I think you've got that backwards.
Presidents who went to Harvard:
John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Rutherford B. Hayes, Theodore
Roosevelt, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, George W. Bush
and of course, Barack Obama.
Incidentally, Google Groups' spellchecker seems to be racist. It
considers the only black president's name on that list to be
misspelled.
Just Me
Yeah, just because you can't pull the staples from her navel and put
her on your garage wall, you just simply don't know WHAT to do with
her, i.e. in terms of YOUR idea of "common sense".
--
JM http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
Mark
Well Mackie, you make some good points, but there
are 2 contrary facts here that need not be missed.
1) This "Green Technology" is way out of the bag now,
and way off the drawing board too. The new systems
of photovoltaics and say, heating water in vacuum
tubes is simply amazing and being installed today.
The automobile makers have almost caught up too.
They only need a few more months, and then, you
know what? We can start telling OPEC to kiss our
ass!
2) Palin's political career is over. Period. Not so much
because her detractors say so, but because she
says so. She owes a half million bucks in legal
fees. Her daughters have become the butt of jokes,
and frankly, I think her husband put his foot down.
She's now in the catbird seat to let the dough roll
in and get that new bass boat and jerky maker.
*******
Besides even people in South Carolina knew what
the Bush Doctrine was.
Melanie Sands
Why does one have to suck out everything the world has to offer to
BURN
DESTROY EXTERMINATE it as a fuel for cars, planes and central heating?
Oil is valuable for so many things, only STOOOOOOPID people want to
burn it up.
And why, if you please would be so kind as to explain this to me, WHY
must one destroy every last beautiful place of wild, untouched nature
just because some jerk wants to drive his itsy-bitsy widdle car and
is too STOOOOOOPID to pull the finger out and come up with a
different,
cleaner kind of fuel?
Jerks like you destroy our world faster than terrorists, and all those
Arabs are laughing their heads off at your kind of DUMBASS Westerners
who
suck up and lick their Arabian asses for their damn shite oil because
conceited-but-uneducated and bone-lazy folk like YOU
are too mentally challenegd to try fuel from natural resources.
Melanie
danger...@gmail.com
> Yeah, just because you can't pull the staples from her navel and put
> her on your garage wall, you just simply don't know WHAT to do with
> her, i.e. in terms of YOUR idea of "common sense".
The lady repeatedly embarrassed herself and the whole party during the
campaign. She was stupid, loud, corrupt, and 'way out of her league,
but mind-controlled Repubs, when told the sun shone out of her ass,
genuflected appropriately. The big tits and faux Ann Coulter style
were apparently enough.
I think that nominating McCain and Palin was a deliberate attempt to
lose the last election and leave an economy in wreckage for a Dem
President. Democrats can be relied on to get the country back to
prosperity again. Then, the majority of us can revert to our natures
and vote in a monarchist party and cheer them on while they loot the
treasury once more.
DB (cleaning spittle from screen)
Just Me
>
> - Show quoted text -
Whoopee! Can't wait for the free few minutes I can find to get
"educated" enough to hang this darlin' little wet behind the ears
Greenie out to dry. Meanwhile, just one question, as per education
will suffice--that B.A. diploma in Sociology/Humanities they awarded
me at the University of Minnesota, what is that--some little card
framed and hung on the wall of my study that reads, "Advance to GO and
collect $200.00"?
We'll soon see what a proper education amounts to around here. But
that it isn't obvious already is less a mystery than it is an
explanation, or a terribly disturbing revelation of how ideology
passes as counterfeit for knowledge.
--
JM
http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
http://doo-dads.blogspot.com
Mark
> We'll soon see what a proper education amounts to around here.
Better tred lightly partner. That which used to be
correct even 10 years ago in the field of energy,
power, and climate is now obsolete. There're some
amazing things happening.
But of course, we'll always have to pick the fly shit
out of the pepper like we've always done. For example,
"clean coal" technology is a big farce. Doesn't exist.
Basically, systems which emit anything other than
water or air are a bad idea.
********
Piet de Arcilla
> 1) This "Green Technology" is way out of the bag now,
> and way off the drawing board too. The new systems
> of photovoltaics and say, heating water in vacuum
> tubes is simply amazing and being installed today.
> The automobile makers have almost caught up too.
> They only need a few more months, and then, you
> know what? We can start telling OPEC to kiss our
> ass!
Solar powered cars are going to be here in a matter of months? Or are
you speaking loosely? Perhaps they will be powered by flying monkeys.
Benj
> Why does one have to suck out everything the world has to offer to
> BURN
> DESTROY EXTERMINATE it as a fuel for cars, planes and central heating?
Not just fuel, Melanie. You forgot about stripping rain forests to
grow cows and just BURNING the wood. No, not making fine furniture,
guitars, or other valuable items, just burn the shit. And if it IS
used (as in wood from the Philippines) the Japanese take it (after
craftily stolen by the World Bank, natch) and do what? They make
plywood for cement forms out of it! Feh!
> Oil is valuable for so many things, only STOOOOOOPID people want to
> burn it up.
[Oh my! Uncle Al's influence is EVERYWHERE!] But what you say it
absolutely true and is a point made MANY years ago by the Shaw of
Iran. Obviously there were people not amused by his logic.
> YOU
> are too mentally challenegd to try fuel from natural resources.
>
> Melanie
Unfortunately, Melanie, as a "idea man" all you can do is make noise
but haven't offered up any viable ideas yourself. Yes, pointing out
stooopidities is good, but saying other people are stooopid because
they haven't solved the problems yet, when you haven't solved them
either goes beyond stooopid into hypocrite.
Just Me
> On Jul 6, 3:52 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > We'll soon see what a proper education amounts to around here.
>
> Better tred lightly partner. That which used to be
> correct even 10 years ago in the field of energy,
> power, and climate is now obsolete. There're some
> amazing things happening.
>
>
> **********
Okay, now that we got us a nice hot little ménage à trois going here,
let's have at it . . .
> Why does one have to suck out everything the world has to offer to
> BURN
> DESTROY EXTERMINATE it as a fuel for cars, planes and central heating?
Why does a horse have to do the same thing to the poor little blades
of grass, with his big yellow teeth and the hooves on his feet? But
the grass will come back, you say? That's right, and so will the oil
after a few hundred million years--it's all highly "renewable". Why
are you so impatient?
> Oil is valuable for so many things, only STOOOOOOPID people want to
> burn it up.
All those stupid people who want to drive to work in the morning, all
those stupid trucking companies and railroads who want to deliver to
you your Fruit Loops or Crunchy Granola for breakfast; all those
stupid cops out on patrol who want to protect you from murder and
mayhem. It's not so much that they "want" to burn the oil to keep you
warm in winter, it's just that so long as you won't let them go
nuclear, they have no choice, and so long as the sun don't shine at
night, even in the summer, and the wind dies so low the blades of the
mills won't turn, and so long you won't turn off your air conditioner
and go sleep in your bathtub all night, you offer nobody any choice.
It's Burn, Baby Burn; Drill, Baby Drill, because you cannot, in all
sanity argue with Necessity.
>
> And why, if you please would be so kind as to explain this to me, WHY
> must one destroy every last beautiful place of wild, untouched nature
> just because some jerk wants to drive his itsy-bitsy widdle car and
> is too STOOOOOOPID to pull the finger out and come up with a
> different,
> cleaner kind of fuel?
Poor Melanie, she must not be getting out much if she really thinks
that's the present state of things, so far as the wild, virginal
places of nature go. But if you never get out away from the cities,
that's how you're apt to see it. There is so much wild country out
there, between here (the 20 acres of forest I have around my cabin)
and Sarah Palin's house (from whence she can see Russia), that you
would have to live a hundred life times just to begin setting foot on
a tenth of it.
But "untouched"? WTF does that mean? Nature is not nature so long as
you leave something out of it. Man is a natural product of nature, he
belongs in nature right along with all the other critters that Nature
gives birth to. What the hell is "untouched"? The bear and the deer
and the pine tree have more rights than man, that they should be able
to "touch" nature but we can't?
>
> Jerks like you . . .
Oh-oh. What's this, Marko? She likes to go pretty rough, wouldn't you
say? Okay, I'm game. Watch this . . .
What the hell is "untouched"? The bear and the deer and the pine tree
have more rights than man, that they should be able to "touch" nature
but we can't?
THAT'S psychotic. You DON'T separate ME from Nature, and tell me I
can't "touch" it. Because touch it, I will. It's part of me, and I'm
part of it. Nature is mine, babe. She is my sweet pretty Mama. She
teaches me her secrets about where she keeps her lovely, tasty little
fishes and her shiny little pieces of gold, and silver and NOBODY will
stop me from going out with my fly rod and my pan and my oil rig, to
take from Nature all the beauties and riches she has stored up for me
and all these of her sons and daughters that are her family of Man.
You DON'T stand between me and my sweet mama, you arrogant, sadistic,
miserly little tyrant.
> destroy our world faster than terrorists, and all those
> Arabs are laughing their heads off at your kind of DUMBASS Westerners
> who
> suck up and lick their Arabian asses for their damn shite oil because . . .
That's what the likes of you are bringing it to, when you sit there on
that arctic waste of ANWR, psychotically claiming it for the "last
beautiful place of wild, untouched nature," when any outdoorsman or
woman from Alaska, or British Columbia, New Mexico or Montana knows
full goddam well, you haven't the first foggy notion of WTF you're
talking about.
> conceited-but-uneducated and bone-lazy folk like YOU
> are too mentally challenegd to try fuel from natural resources.
Land sakes! There's some "education" for you, because If oil and
natural gas are not "natural resources" God only knows what else
they've been teaching these children at school.
And why is everything always all or nothing with these fanatics? Like
T. Boone Pickens keeps trying to get you to understand, we need to
pursue ALL these sources of energy. But so long as we remain a fossil
fuel based economy, you damn right, the Arabs will have our backs over
a barrel, until we Drill, Baby, DRILL.
--
JM http://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
Benj
wrote:
> The lady repeatedly embarrassed herself and the whole party during the
> campaign. She was stupid, loud, corrupt, and 'way out of her league,
> but mind-controlled Repubs, when told the sun shone out of her ass,
> genuflected appropriately. The big tits and faux Ann Coulter style
> were apparently enough.
It's easy to "embarrass yourself" when you have all the liberal media
telling lies about what you said. You know, bunky Russia CAN be seen
from Alaska (not her house which the media lied about with one voice).
If a repub ever attacked one of the Dem female candidates this
viciously they'd all be picketed by lesbians for the rest of their
lives. But have a sitting president sexually harass an underling,
(Please note here, stupid left-tards...it was the Feminazis who pushed
through the policy that when a boss has sex with an underling there
can be NO SUCH THING as "consent". They argued that the difference in
level makes that impossible!) and all the NOW-crowd comes out
squealing like pigs in left-wing support!
The real question that goes unasked is why was there this gigantic
media sexist attack on Palin suggesting she go back to the kitchen and
that women should have the vote taken away because she was supposed to
be so stupid, but no body ever heard word ONE about our wonderful vice
president (then a candidate)? Anyone, even a left-tard liberal with
two un-smoked brain cells left can see that Joe Biden has not been
able to find his way home from the mail box for years now. So where
was the nasty "fun" being poked at him? Oh that's right. He was on the
"correct" side and those nasty people on the "other" side still didn't
believe that the USSR was the "envy of the world".
> I think that nominating McCain and Palin was a deliberate attempt to
> lose the last election and leave an economy in wreckage for a Dem
> President. Democrats can be relied on to get the country back to
> prosperity again. Then, the majority of us can revert to our natures
> and vote in a monarchist party and cheer them on while they loot the
> treasury once more.
I do have to sort of agree with this paragraph, although at the
current rate it's hard to believe that there will be anything left to
loot after Congress finishes with it's stimulating "pork" dinner.
Benj
> But of course, we'll always have to pick the fly shit
> out of the pepper like we've always done. For example,
> "clean coal" technology is a big farce. Doesn't exist.
> Basically, systems which emit anything other than
> water or air are a bad idea.
Oh you mean like CO2 that is the "cause" of global warming as decreed
by the EPA? No problem. Just pull the plug on all all coal-fired power
plants. It'll grind civilization to a halt in no time. Got your ox
cart ready to go? As I recall it was a wonderful "green" life after
Rome fell through stooopidies like this. The only good news is that we
righties now pretty much own all the guns and ammo out there, and you
liberals don't. And your attempt to disarm us through so-called "gun
control" has met a political brick wall. Don't worry I'll give you a
job! There's a big mess in the barn where we keep the ox that needs to
be shoveled out. Get to work!
Hu Flung Dung
strangers, ye whimpered:
> On Jul 6, 1:46 pm, Melanie Sands <Melanie_Sa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why does one have to suck out everything the world has to offer to
>> BURN
>> DESTROY EXTERMINATE it as a fuel for cars, planes and central
>> heating?
>
> Not just fuel, Melanie. You forgot about stripping
Yeah. Get 'em off, Melony.
Grand Mal
Hey, don't worry about those pesky Ay-rabs. Canada has more proven reserves
than anyone except Saudi Arabia, right next door to the US of A.
A tenth of the population of America and about the same size military as
Austria or Angola. Like money in the bank.
danger...@gmail.com
> ...the liberal media
> ...picketed by lesbians for the rest of their lives.
> ...stupid left-tards
> ...the Feminazis
Y'know, these don't really work any more. In eight years, when the
country's back on its feet and made safe for neoconservatism once
more, you can dig these out and dust them off.
> The real question that goes unasked is why was there this gigantic
> media sexist attack on Palin suggesting she go back to the kitchen and
> that women should have the vote taken away because she was supposed to
> be so stupid,
You must read different newspapers than I do. I think GOP Damage
Control Central made this up. They're good at it.
> ... Oh that's right. He [Biden] was on the
> "correct" side and those nasty people on the "other" side still didn't
> believe that the USSR was the "envy of the world".
??? On the other hand, perhaps haloperidol is a better idea.
DB
Mark
My understanding is this:
As a result of the current economic catastrophy in
conjunction with technological trends that were already
inching along, now General Motors and especially the
Chinese Auto plants have begun mass production of
electric cars. In conjunction with this, apparently the
BARRIER of an inefficient battery system had just been
OVERCOME thru a new technology.
And yes, the solar panels will cover the surface of the
automobile, and yet, be painted such that you can't
tell the difference from cars without them. But for now,
the first generation will be "plug and play".
The first American to own an electric car dealership
will be a very, very, very, very, very, happy person.
Unfortunatly the flying monkeys were all harvested
by the Chinese for stir-fry.
********
Benj
wrote:
> On Jul 6, 9:29 pm, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
>
> > ...the liberal media
> > ...picketed by lesbians for the rest of their lives.
> > ...stupid left-tards
> > ...the Feminazis
>
> Y'know, these don't really work any more. In eight years, when the
> country's back on its feet and made safe for neoconservatism once
> more, you can dig these out and dust them off.
I thought we were talking about the times back before the current
politburo took power? And I don't know what dream world you live in,
but most everyone I talk to, "R" or "D" or even "L" seems to be of the
opinion that in 8 years the country that was here during the last
election will be long gone...probably forever. Got that $155,000
ready to pay your family's share of the economic "stimulus"?
Mark
they have no choice, and so long as the sun don't shine at
> night, even in the summer, and the wind dies so low the blades of the
> mills won't turn,
Interestingly you've just quoted verbatim the lobbyist
for the coal industry. Seems the word hasn't gotten out
yet about the "old discovery" MIT came up with way
back about 2 years ago.
It's now possible to easily split water at room temperature.
This is a result of using specific catylists. The voltage
required to do this is easily achieved by even the most
crappy solar panels, even more so by the photovoltaics
you can purchase right now.
What this means is that the hydrogen goes left into a
tank and the oxygen goes right into a tank, and you
can store more in one day than you will recombine over
several days. When the two are recombined again back
into water, you get the electricity back when the sun
doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow.
Read about WATER SPLITTING
Not only that, the invention of GRAPHENE has changed
everything known to man with regard to supercapacitors
and battery storage. So, bottom line, electricity when
the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't blow. Graphene
is a carbon matrix sheet one molecule thick engineered
on nanotechnology.
"To put that scale in another context, the comparative size of a
nanometer to a meter is the same as that of a marble to the size of
the earth. Or another way of putting it: a nanometer is the amount a
man's beard grows in the time it takes him to raise the razor to his
face.
NANOTECHNOLOGY
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanotechnology
GRAPHENE
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene
> And why is everything always all or nothing with these fanatics? Like
> T. Boone Pickens keeps trying to get you to understand, we need to
> pursue ALL these sources of energy.
You've probably not read my new book,
"Why T.Boone Picket is a Jackass".
If I may...here's the cliff notes-
Picket wants to use imminent domaine to transfer private
land into corridors which he could control. These would
serve to run *his* network and personal power grid whereby
*he* will be the one to throw the switch when you don't
pay the monthly rate *he* deems appropriate.
All his other talk about oil and biodiesel is just a smoke
screen he's blowing up your ass.
But so long as we remain a fossil
> fuel based economy, you damn right, the Arabs will have our backs over
> a barrel, until we Drill, Baby, DRILL.
Or, stop using polluting fuels so the glacier melt will
slow down a little before India and China run out of
water and cause a population displacement the likes
of which you cannot even imagine in your worst
nightmares.
*********
Mark
> --
> JMhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
Mark
> On Jul 6, 4:38 pm, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > But of course, we'll always have to pick the fly shit
> > out of the pepper like we've always done. For example,
> > "clean coal" technology is a big farce. Doesn't exist.
> > Basically, systems which emit anything other than
> > water or air are a bad idea.
>
> Oh you mean like CO2 that is the "cause" of global warming
That's exactly what I mean
>as decreed
> by the EPA?
They have nothing to do with it.
>No problem.
It's a HUGE fucking problem.
>Just pull the plug on all all coal-fired power
> plants.
Wrong.>
It will have to be done in a calculated transformation
of replacement from one energy industrial complex
to another, which by the way, can keep people
employed.
> It'll grind civilization to a halt in no time. Got your ox
> cart ready to go? As I recall it was a wonderful "green" life after
> Rome fell through stooopidies like this.
Give me a mailing address. I'll mail you a pretty,
gold and red, cardboard, drama queen crown.
>The only good news is that we
> righties now pretty much own all the guns and ammo out there, and you
> liberals don't. And your attempt to disarm us through so-called "gun
> control" has met a political brick wall.
The truth about me is that I sleep with a fully
automatic weapon on one side, and a scoped
rifle on the other. But you're kinda right. While
*I'm* always armed, I don't think you should be.
>Don't worry I'll give you a
> job!
I retired as a millionaire when I turned 40.
>There's a big mess in the barn where we keep the ox that needs to
> be shoveled out. Get to work!
So your residence includes a barn full of ox shit?
You don't have patio parties do you.
Heh
********
Mark
> "Just Me" <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:80aa995a-4016-4bd0...@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 6, 3:38 pm, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 6, 3:52 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >And why is everything always all or nothing with these fanatics? Like
> >T. Boone Pickens keeps trying to get you to understand, we need to
> >pursue ALL these sources of energy. But so long as we remain a fossil
> >fuel based economy, you damn right, the Arabs will have our backs over
> >a barrel, until we Drill, Baby, DRILL.
> --
>
> Hey, don't worry about those pesky Ay-rabs. Canada has more proven reserves
> than anyone except Saudi Arabia, right next door to the US of A.
> A tenth of the population of America and about the same size military as
> Austria or Angola. Like money in the bank.
LOL! Yeah, like money in the bank, trapped in sand
that costs 100 bucks a ton to extract 37 dollars worth
of oil. Bless your heart.
*******
Just Me
>
> > And why is everything always all or nothing with these fanatics? Like
> > T. Boone Pickens keeps trying to get you to understand, we need to
> > pursue ALL these sources of energy.
>
> You've probably not read my new book,
>
> "Why T.Boone Picket is a Jackass".
>
> If I may...here's the cliff notes-
>
> Picket wants to use imminent domaine to transfer private
> land into corridors which he could control. These would
> serve to run *his* network and personal power grid whereby
> *he* will be the one to throw the switch when you don't
> pay the monthly rate *he* deems appropriate.
>
> All his other talk about oil and biodiesel is just a smoke
> screen he's blowing up your ass.
>
> But so long as we remain a fossil
>
> > fuel based economy, you damn right, the Arabs will have our backs over
> > a barrel, until we Drill, Baby, DRILL.
>
> Or, stop using polluting fuels so the glacier melt will
> slow down a little before India and China run out of
> water and cause a population displacement the likes
> of which you cannot even imagine in your worst
> nightmares.
>
> *********
> Mark
>
>
>
> > --
>
> - Show quoted text -
The thing I like best about Mark is this remarkable capacity he has to
disagree with a person entirely, but entirely without discourtesy.
That's one hell of a talent. It's a valuable lesson. Let's see if I
can learn something by it, as I prepare to disagree right back again,
concerning T. Boone Pickens and what I continue to see as an immediate
necessity for opening the ANWR, while the technology he describes
continues to be tested per feasibility and/or developed. The world-
wide depression is now. And it is no coincidence that it came hand in
hand with super-inflated prices at the gas pump. And now, at the
tobacco counter. When you're paying five bucks a pack for your
cigarettes, and five bucks a gallon for gas, you got nothing left from
a paycheck for a down payment on a house or a car. You can't keep the
rich people rich anymore. And all the banking bubbles start to burst.
It ain't rocket science.
--
JM
http://whosenose.blogspot.com/2008/03/i-dont-chill.html
http://whosenose.blogspot.com/2008/03/blue-steel-jews.html
Mark
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The thing I like best about Mark is this remarkable capacity he has to
> disagree with a person entirely, but entirely without discourtesy.
> That's one hell of a talent. It's a valuable lesson. Let's see if I
> can learn something by it, as I prepare to disagree right back again,
> concerning T. Boone Pickens and what I continue to see as an immediate
> necessity for opening the ANWR, while the technology he describes
> continues to be tested per feasibility and/or developed. The world-
> wide depression is now. And it is no coincidence that it came hand in
> hand with super-inflated prices at the gas pump. And now, at the
> tobacco counter. When you're paying five bucks a pack for your
> cigarettes, and five bucks a gallon for gas, you got nothing left from
> a paycheck for a down payment on a house or a car. You can't keep the
> rich people rich anymore. And all the banking bubbles start to burst.
>
> It ain't rocket science.
> --
>
> - Show quoted text -
Thanks for the style compliment. I try to operate by
the law of reciprocity. If I get respect, I return it. If I
get something else, I return that too, but with a little
extra helping. (although I don't advocate walking on
egg shells)
Ok, about this trainwreck we call an economy, I've
seen your opinion elsewhere on this and agree
that not only are you right, but I've been saying this
all along that society is being financially squeezed
into depression, and if it continues, there'll be no more
blood gotten out of this turnip. This is one scenerio
where the term "domino theory" isn't just drama.
Where we differ is as to why these prices are so
high. Now I understand economics perfectly
but my *gut* feeling tells me these prices are
artificially fixed. I believe the term to describe the
controlling powers is "oligarchy" wherein a small
group has conspired to set prices, as opposed to
a monopoly, where just one party does it.
This elite group got stupid and decided to
play the game, "How high can we go?" Then
after 9 months of rape they started noticing
it wasn't in their best interest any longer, and
they lowered the price. Supply and demand
didn't have a rat's ass of anything to do with it.
That many people don't just stop going to work,
church, and the store, and with 10 billion a
month coming in, I believe Exxon could afford
to build another refinery is they really wanted.
Now don't get me wrong. I'm not a conspiracy
theorist. Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gunman.
Marilyn Monroe did the same thing Michael
Jackson and Janice Joplin did. But this gasoline
thing is different. And yes, it caused a chain
reaction, which is why we've got to get these
electric cars on the street TODAY.
And I tell ya who's on top of this bell curve
right now...it's China and to a lesser extent
Europe. So from where I'm sitting, by going
electric as if it's a national emergency, we ditch
OPEC, save the economy, slow the ice melt,
and cut out loud mufflers. Then we only need
to worry about making understreet crossways
for wildlife that are being slaughtered by silent
cars.
---
Mark
********
Melanie Sands
Someone on CNN once said something
about the USA being "5% of the world population using up 25%
of its resources".
Everything on this earth is natural resources with the exception
perhaps of
meteorites from outer space but the thing you forget is you can't
just
take and take and take and take and take and not put anything back
because that way one day it'll all be gone.
Surely you understand that, even if you don't want to hear it.
Yes, a cow chews up blades of grass, but the cow dung it drops
out the other end is fertilizer, for example.
The stuff that comes out of the other end of your oversized,
overpowered
macho-symbol ersatz-penis automobile is simply LETHAL WASTE.
Secondly, it's about WHAT you do with the stuff when you use it.
The damage caused by burning fuel/exhaust fumes etc.etc., is enormous
-
but you don'tcare about that. You just want to sit in your car and
drive around, and as it so happens the successful cars up to now were
powered
by petrol/gasoline/benzine or whatever people call it depending on
what
part of the world they live in.
The first cars invented were powered by electricity, but gasoline made
the cars
faster, so instead of trying - now that we all know that there's not
THAT
much oil left, and how much damage burning it causes - instead of
trying
to find a safer, more available fuel - like solar energy, or wind-
energy-charged
car batteries etc.etc. - instead of trying for something NEW and
PROGRESSIVE
and INNOVATIVE, you get all hot and bothered because there's some oil
still out there in the wildlife reservation in Alaska and you can't
get at it.
You're like those heroin junkies who know that granny has saved up
some dollars
in her piggy bank and they want to get at it so they can shoot up.
Awwwwwwwwww. Poor widdle baby-waby can't have his cookies.
Think solar energy. Think wind-energy. Think Tesla electric cars.
Just THINK. For once.
Melanie
hanson
> On Jul 6, 3:38 pm, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 6, 3:52 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
"Melonys' hands" finagled on the keyboard as she wrote:
::: Awwwwwww. Makie <jpd...@gmail.com> you Poor
::: widdle baby-waby can't have his cookies....
::: Think solar energy. Think wind-energy.
>
hanson wrote:
ahahaha... but what your green melon head don't know is
that your shitty Green ilk, which was howling against Big Oil,
is already railing, conniving, whining & protesting against
***** "Big Solar" and "Big Wind" ******... hahahahaha...
Thanks for the laughs, though... ahahaha... ahahahanson
>
Grand Mal
"Mark" <blueri...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 7, 1:34 am, "Grand Mal" <ironw...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "Just Me" <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:80aa995a-4016-4bd0...@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 6, 3:38 pm, Mark <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 6, 3:52 pm, Just Me <jpd...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >And why is everything always all or nothing with these fanatics? Like
> >T. Boone Pickens keeps trying to get you to understand, we need to
> >pursue ALL these sources of energy. But so long as we remain a fossil
> >fuel based economy, you damn right, the Arabs will have our backs over
> >a barrel, until we Drill, Baby, DRILL.
> --
> >JMhttp://bobbisoxsnatchers.blogspot.com
>
> Hey, don't worry about those pesky Ay-rabs. Canada has more proven
> reserves
> than anyone except Saudi Arabia, right next door to the US of A.
> A tenth of the population of America and about the same size military as
> Austria or Angola. Like money in the bank.
-LOL! Yeah, like money in the bank, trapped in sand
-that costs 100 bucks a ton to extract 37 dollars worth
-of oil. Bless your heart.
*******
You need to stop getting your information from those phone-in radio shows
coming out of Raleigh and Macon.
Grand Mal
"Benj" <bja...@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
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On Jul 7, 2:06 am, "dangerousb...@gmail.com" <dangerousb...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Jul 6, 9:29 pm, Benj <bjac...@iwaynet.net> wrote:
>
> > ...the liberal media
> > ...picketed by lesbians for the rest of their lives.
> > ...stupid left-tards
> > ...the Feminazis
>
> Y'know, these don't really work any more. In eight years, when the
> country's back on its feet and made safe for neoconservatism once
> more, you can dig these out and dust them off.
-I thought we were talking about the times back before the current
-politburo took power? And I don't know what dream world you live in,
-but most everyone I talk to, "R" or "D" or even "L" seems to be of the
-opinion that in 8 years the country that was here during the last
-election will be long gone...probably forever. Got that $155,000
-ready to pay your family's share of the economic "stimulus"?
Drank every drop, dintcha.
Ed Stasiak
>
> It does not take a graduate of Harvard Law School to get it figured
> out that leaving valuable natural resources laying untapped in the
> ground is insane, psychotic, plain nuts; absolutely the most stupid
> and irresponsible thing that man can ever come to on this planet.
I'd say it's the 2nd most stupid and irresponsible thing to do.
The most stupid and irresponsible thing to do, would be to
tap those resources and then waste them on plastic crap that
ends up in the garbage seconds after it's used;
http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0753/1.jpg
Conservation is what's needed, not environmentalism.
John W Kennedy
> ...most everyone I talk to, "R" or "D" or even "L" seems to be of the
> opinion that in 8 years the country that was here during the last
> election will be long gone...probably forever.
The country ruled by a brain-wasted deserter and an oil millionaire who
started an unnecessary war for profit? The country that was well on the
way to abolishing the Bill of Rights? The country, in short, supported
by traitors like you? I hope to God it's gone forever!
If you don't like it, I'm sure North Korea and Iran are just dying to
have more citizens of your kind.
Androcles
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Mark
I disagree. Valuable resources converted into
ignorant consumptive waste don't have to end up
in the garbage. With new technology we can simply
grind it all into small particles and dump it in the
ocean for fish to choke on.
Problem solved.
*******
Grand Mal
Problem solved.
*******
Everything here has always and always will be here. It's a closed system.
The only thing we can change about anything is it's location.
Therefore you need to launch your garbage out of the system.
Mark
> "Mark" <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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While logistically you are correct, when considering the
energy to overcome gravity, and the energy to manufacture
the transportation device, it makes far more sense to
alter production choices, and then recycle residuals.
Although ...I did compose the story:
"Garbage Barge to Mars". An intriguing tale of action, love,
and suspense on board an interstellar craft loaded with
futurist contraban consisting of religious material, and
lead tained Mexican food from the United States of China.
********
*******
Just Me
> "Mark" <blueriver...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Same goes for nuke waste. Send it to the moon, is what I always say.
What's it going to hurt up there? The green cheese? Course, the same
thing might be said for Yucca Mountain--without the concern for any
radioactive zit pits in the face of the Man in the Moon, or nuke-
loaded spaceships crashing back to earth.
Here we've been sitting ever since the early 50's with the solution to
a great proportion of our energy needs and air pollution concerns and
what do we get instead?
Hysteria. Those who oppose nuclear energy are not one whit different
from the ignorant, primitive, superstitious lot that persecuted
Copernicus and Galileo, and how are you any better than those who
remain opposed to Darwin to this day? You don't have to be a Bible
thumping Baptist to have a mind ruled by fear, myth and superstition.
It makes no difference whether your reverence lies to the heavens or
to the earth, whatever you make sacred and untouchable is idolatry.
Yes, and superstition in either case, having nothing to do with Nature
as nature really is, or with God, as he may or may not be--but sure
as you can never know what a god might be, you can sure as Hell know
what He could not be, and that is anything of what Man would make of
him.
Idols you make of heaven, earth and sea. Idols you have fashioned from
ideals of purity, whether of morals or air and water, and your
baptism may be by bottled water or full body immersion; it is a
religious ritual either way. Idols you have, if not of scriptural
paper and ink, then of earth, dirt, rock and wood; idols of God or
idols of Nature--there is no difference. The weakness and madness of
man is his fanatic need to worship, whether that be done in trembling
genuflection to a tree or to a cross, to a fish or a whale, or by
crossing yourself three times before your innocent, pure, holy and
virginal Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge. Or let it be to the ever
so sacred sand and mud of Yucca Mountain.
But why stop there? Make unto yourselves a Vatican of Caesar's Palace
in Vegas, set Elvis and Michael Jackson on the throne while you're at
it. Don't stop at Yucca Mountain and ANWR. Do not stop at dragging the
world back to the Stone Age with your fears and superstition--take it
all the way back to the Big Bang SuperSlot at the Sahara, the Desert
Inn and the Sands, O Sariputra.
"Oh the last time I saw Vegas, her dice was warm and gay,
No matter how they change her, I'll remember her that way."
--Slightly stolen from Oscar Hammerstein and Jerome Kern
Stratum101
> Make unto yourselves a Vatican of Caesar's Palace
> in Vegas, set Elvis and Michael Jackson on the throne while you're at
> it. Don't stop at Yucca Mountain and ANWR. Do not stop at dragging the
> world back to the Stone Age with your fears and superstition--take it
> all the way back to the Big Bang SuperSlot at the Sahara, the Desert
> Inn and the Sands, O Sariputra.
>
> "Oh the last time I saw Vegas, her dice was warm and gay,
> No matter how they change her, I'll remember her that way."
This is what happens when you take one of those quack
colonic cleansers. An unbelievable torrent of words follow and
warm, gay mice begin to run up and down the crock in
full view. Oh, Sarah Putra! Better an attic can than
seeing her ballast. Better to have left it dammed up
and lost than never to have been so damned at all.
Mark
I see it more as early astronomers being persecuted for heresy
as they refuted established beliefs of Biblical origin, whereas
opponents to nuclear power are fearful of an uncontrolled atomic
chain reaction, or a repugnance for nuclear waste.
>and how are you any better than those who
> remain opposed to Darwin to this day?
I'd say one is founded on reverence, and the other
is concerned due to observed science.
>You don't have to be a Bible
> thumping Baptist to have a mind ruled by fear, myth and superstition.
I think Baptists are diverse in their interpretation of the Bible,
primarily stratified by education and social class, same as
all other groupings in society. The one commonality being belief
that the Bible is unique in it's historical truth and has Holy
inspiration of it's authors, such that each individual reader
has personal access to it's message irrespective of any
papal or theological hierarchy.
> It makes no difference whether your reverence lies to the heavens or
> to the earth, whatever you make sacred and untouchable is idolatry.
Only if there are no absolute truths. If perception is merely
relativistic,
then yes. If there is absolute truth then reverence to a non-diety is
idolatry.(such as worshiping our own intellect)
> Yes, and superstition in either case, having nothing to do with Nature
> as nature really is, or with God, as he may or may not be--but sure
> as you can never know what a god might be, you can sure as Hell know
> what He could not be, and that is anything of what Man would make of
> him.
In knowing what God could not be, and that it is not anything what Man
would make of him, you are on the cusp of knowing what God really
is.
> Idols you make of heaven, earth and sea.
Yes
>Idols you have fashioned from
> ideals of purity,
Yes
>whether of morals or air and water,
Yes
>and your
> baptism may be by bottled water or full body immersion;
This is open for interpretation still.
>it is a
> religious ritual either way.
Calls for speculation
> Idols you have, if not of scriptural
> paper and ink,
While papyrus and parchment have certainly played
a large roll, archeology and documented paranormal
events have corroberated the total body of evidence
to establish a reasonable burden of proof.
> then of earth, dirt, rock and wood; idols of God or
> idols of Nature--there is no difference.
There is a difference.
> The weakness and madness of
> man is his fanatic need to worship,
The psychology of the mind leans towards pondering
one's mortality as our life drive pushes us inexorability
to seek immortality, yet in only a small percentage
of the population is this fanatical. The rest of society
is introspective enough to find the path which is larger
than science.
>whether that be done in trembling
> genuflection to a tree
That would be someone with a superficial assessment
>or to a cross,
based on historical first hand testimony
>to a fish or a whale,
superstitious reverence
> or by
> crossing yourself three times
Concocted in 325 by Constantine
>before your innocent, pure, holy and
> virginal Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge. Or let it be to the ever
> so sacred sand and mud of Yucca Mountain.
Common sense wisdom based on what lends
itself to self preservation and empathy for life
and beauty.
> But why stop there? Make unto yourselves a Vatican of Caesar's Palace
> in Vegas, set Elvis and Michael Jackson on the throne while you're at
> it.
This is a reasonable argument for existentialists,
moral derelicts, and hedge fund managers.
> Don't stop at Yucca Mountain and ANWR. Do not stop at dragging the
> world back to the Stone Age with your fears and superstition--take it
> all the way back to the Big Bang SuperSlot at the Sahara, the Desert
> Inn and the Sands, O Sariputra.
In summary-
We have intermingled two social issues:
1. The validity of absolute truth with respect to the origins
of the universe and the social implications this has on
the human species with regard to morality and reverence.
2. The most efficient and responsible delivery system to
provide society with electricity and transportation fuels.
The answer to number one is that each person must discover
first who and what they are. After that your behavior should
conform to promote life. Your understanding of truth will be
determined by your ability to absorb information from many
sources, but protocol to verified facts must be respected.
The answer to number two is based on physics, logistics,
and environmental science with strong considerations on
the overall impact to the natural systems of the earth.
Electromagnetic transportation is being grossly underused in my
opinion.
I feel the answer to all our energy needs is electricity.
********
Mark
"this post is free of spellchecker, or transfats"
> "Oh the last time I saw Vegas, her dice was warm and gay,
> No matter how they change her, I'll remember her that way."
> --Slightly stolen from Oscar Hammerstein and Jerome Kern
> --
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Melanie Sands
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> Or wind energy...
When Usenet goes away, that will be lost, too.
DB
danger...@gmail.com
> The most stupid and irresponsible thing to do, would be to
> tap those resources and then waste them on plastic crap that
> ends up in the garbage seconds after it's used;
'Stupid' and 'irresponsible' are the hallmarks of the human race. You
can change everything else, but not those two.
Recycling plastic bottles, locavoring, and buying Priuses isn't going
to change a fucking thing. There are too many of us on earth.
There are no significant forces acting to correct this one problem
that's at the root of all others. Sooner or later, the Four Horseman
will step in and take care of it for us. James Lovelock says there
will be room and resources for a billion of us by 2100. Who's first to
volunteer to get off the planet?
Dangerous Bill
Androcles
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That would be stupid and irresponsible... and I'm human.
danger...@gmail.com
> <dangerousb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> ...Who's first to
> volunteer to get off the planet?
> That would be stupid and irresponsible... and I'm human.
Exactly. And that's why we have Horsemen.
It's a tough job, but somebody will have to do it.
DB
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When the locusts swarm they eat everything their path. With
nothing left to eat they die, but they sure had a great party.
homo say penis sapiens is a locust - excuse my Latin, but
they all think with their dick.