20 Questions - Troels (III)
Troels Forchhammer
the vegatative realm of the _olvar_
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The idea that time may vary from place to place is a
difficult one, but it is the idea Einstein used, and it is
correct - believe it or not.
- Richard Feynman
Raven
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> Moving right along, I've had this in mind for a while. We'll stay in
> the vegatative realm of the _olvar_
1. A manufactured item?
Gavran.
Öjevind Lång
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> Moving right along, I've had this in mind for a while. We'll stay in
> the vegatative realm of the _olvar_
1. Is it an olva mentioned in LotR?
�jevind
Troels Forchhammer
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Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark>
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> "Troels Forchhammer" <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid> skrev i meddelandet
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>>>
>>> Moving right along, I've had this in mind for a while.
>>> We'll stay in the vegatative realm of the _olvar_
>>
Nope
> 2. Is it an olva mentioned in LotR?
Yes
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++ Divide By Cucumber Error. Please Reinstall Universe And Reboot ++
- /Hogfather/ (Terry Pratchett)
Öjevind Lång
>>>> Moving right along, I've had this in mind for a while.
>>>> We'll stay in the vegatative realm of the _olvar_
>>> 1. A manufactured item?
> Nope
>> 2. Is it an olva mentioned in LotR?
> Yes
An olva which is alive?
�jevind
Troels Forchhammer
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>> �jevind L�ng <ojevin...@bredband.net> spoke these staves:
>>>
>> In message <news:4b23fe56$0$56774$edfa...@dtext02.news.tele.dk> "
>> Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark>
>> spoke these staves:
>>>>
>>>>> Moving right along, I've had this in mind for a while.
>>>>> We'll stay in the vegatative realm of the _olvar_
>>>>
>>>> 1. A manufactured item?
>>
>> Nope
>>
>>> 2. Is it an olva mentioned in LotR?
>>
>> Yes
>
Yes
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People are self-centered
to a nauseous degree.
They will keep on about themselves
while I'm explaining me.
- Piet Hein, /The Egocentrics/
Troels Forchhammer
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> Troels Forchhammer <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
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>> �jevind L�ng <ojevin...@bredband.net>:
>>>
>>> "Troels Forchhammer" <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid>:
>>>>
>>>> �jevind L�ng <ojevin...@bredband.net>:
>>>>>
>>>> Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark>:
>>>>>>
>>>>> "Troels Forchhammer" <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Moving right along, I've had this in mind for a while.
>>>>>>> We'll stay in the vegatative realm of the _olvar_
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. A manufactured item?
>>>>
>>>> Nope
>>>>
>>>>> 2. Is it an olva mentioned in LotR?
>>>>
>>>> Yes
>>>
>>> 3. An olva which is alive?
>>
>> Yes
>
Yes
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"He deserves death."
"Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve
death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to
them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in
judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends."
- Frodo and Gandalf, /The Fellowship of the Ring/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)
Troels Forchhammer
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> Troels Forchhammer <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
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>> In message <news:1janvew.12cxdk61sn9uawN%m...@privacy.net>
>> m...@privacy.net (Nautilus) spoke these staves:
>>>
>>> Troels Forchhammer <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> �jevind L�ng <ojevin...@bredband.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Troels Forchhammer" <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> �jevind L�ng <ojevin...@bredband.net>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Troels Forchhammer" <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Moving right along, I've had this in mind for a while.
>>>>>>>>> We'll stay in the vegatative realm of the _olvar_
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. A manufactured item?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Is it an olva mentioned in LotR?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. An olva which is alive?
>>>>
>>>> Yes
>>>
>>> 4. Would we find it east of the Anduin?
>>
>> Yes
>
I can certainly see such a connection, yes
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Scientific reasoning works only with measurements: only
when we have a number and a unit. Thus, topics for which
we have no measurements, scientific investigation is not
useful. No math, no science. When we do have
measurements, scientific reasoning cannot be ignored.
- Dr Nancy's Sweetie on usenet
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Troels Forchhammer
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> Troels Forchhammer <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
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>> m...@privacy.net (Nautilus) spoke these staves:
>>>
>>> Troels Forchhammer <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> m...@privacy.net (Nautilus) spoke these staves:
>>>>>
>>>>> Troels Forchhammer <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> �jevind L�ng <ojevin...@bredband.net>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Troels Forchhammer" <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> �jevind L�ng <ojevin...@bredband.net>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Troels Forchhammer" <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Moving right along, I've had this in mind for a while.
>>>>>>>>>>> We'll stay in the vegatative realm of the _olvar_
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. A manufactured item?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2. Is it an olva mentioned in LotR?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. An olva which is alive?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. Would we find it east of the Anduin?
>>>>
>>>> Yes
>>>
>>> Is it somehow connected to a King?
>>
>> I can certainly see such a connection, yes
>
> fallen head of the statue of a King of old. Its star-shaped
> blossoms give the king a kind of a crown. Is this the one?
No.
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Giving in is no defeat.
Passing on is no retreat.
Selves are made to rise above.
You shall live in what you love.
- Piet Hein, /The Me Above the Me/
Öjevind Lång
>>>>>>>>>>>> Moving right along, I've had this in mind for a while.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We'll stay in the vegatative realm of the _olvar_
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. A manufactured item?
>>>>>>>>> Nope
>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is it an olva mentioned in LotR?
>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>> 3. An olva which is alive?
>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>> 4. Would we find it east of the Anduin?
>>>>> Yes
>>>> 5. Is it somehow connected to a King?
>>> I can certainly see such a connection, yes
>> 6. There's a creeping plant near the crossroads. It grows around the
>> fallen head of the statue of a King of old. Its star-shaped
>> blossoms give the king a kind of a crown. Is this the one?
> No.
7. Can one find it west of the Anduin too?
�jevind
Troels Forchhammer
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> "Troels Forchhammer" <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid> skrev:
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>> m...@privacy.net (Nautilus) spoke these staves:
>>>
>>> Troels Forchhammer <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> m...@privacy.net (Nautilus) spoke these staves:
>>>>>
>>>>> Troels Forchhammer <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> m...@privacy.net (Nautilus) spoke these staves:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Troels Forchhammer <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> �jevind L�ng <ojevin...@bredband.net>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Troels Forchhammer" <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> �jevind L�ng <ojevin...@bredband.net>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Raven" <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Troels Forchhammer" <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We'll stay in the vegatative realm of the _olvar_
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. A manufactured item?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Is it an olva mentioned in LotR?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3. An olva which is alive?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4. Would we find it east of the Anduin?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can certainly see such a connection, yes
>>>
>>> fallen head of the statue of a King of old. Its star-shaped
blossoms
>>> give the king a kind of a crown. Is this the one?
>>
>> No.
>
> 7. Can one find it west of the Anduin too?
No.
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Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards, for they are
subtle and quick to anger.
- Gildor Inglorion, /The Lord of the Rings/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)
Troels Forchhammer
No
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When one admits that nothing is certain one must, I think,
also admit that some things are much more nearly certain
than others.
- Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)
TT Arvind
wrote:
>> Moving right along, I've had this in mind for a
>> while. We'll stay in the vegatative realm of the
>> _olvar_
>> 1. A manufactured item?
>> Nope
>>
>> 2. Is it an olva mentioned in LotR?
>> Yes
>>
>> 3. An olva which is alive?
>> Yes
>>
>> 4. Would we find it east of the Anduin?
>> Yes
>>
>> 5. Is it somehow connected to a King?
>> I can certainly see such a connection, yes
>>
>> 6. There's a creeping plant near the crossroads. It grows around
>> the fallen head of the statue of a King of old. Its
>> star-shaped blossoms give the king a kind of a crown. Is this
>> the one?
>> No.
>>
>> 7. Can one find it west of the Anduin too?
>> No.
>>
> > 8. The flowers in the Morgul Valley that have a rotten smell?
> >
> No
9. Is there a characteristic or property that is particularly
associated with it?
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Arvind
Raven
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> Moving right along, I've had this in mind for a
> while. We'll stay in the vegatative realm of the
> _olvar_
> 1. A manufactured item?
> Nope
> 2. Is it an olva mentioned in LotR?
> Yes
> 3. An olva which is alive?
> Yes
> 4. Would we find it east of the Anduin?
> Yes
> 5. Is it somehow connected to a King?
> I can certainly see such a connection, yes
> 6. There's a creeping plant near the crossroads. It grows around
> the fallen head of the statue of a King of old. Its
> star-shaped blossoms give the king a kind of a crown. Is this
> the one?
> No.
> 7. Can one find it west of the Anduin too?
> No.
> 8. The flowers in the Morgul Valley that have a rotten smell?
> No
9. Is it a tree?
Ravn.
Troels Forchhammer
>
TT Arvind <ttar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
|: Moving right along, I've had this in mind for a
|: while. We'll stay in the vegatative realm of the _olvar_
|: 1. A manufactured item?
|: Nope
|: 2. Is it an olva mentioned in LotR?
|: Yes
|: 3. An olva which is alive?
|: Yes
|: 4. Would we find it east of the Anduin?
|: Yes
|: 5. Is it somehow connected to a King?
|: I can certainly see such a connection, yes
|: 6. There's a creeping plant near the crossroads. It grows
|: around the fallen head of the statue of a King of old.
|: Its star-shaped blossoms give the king a kind of a crown.
|: Is this the one?
|: No.
|: 7. Can one find it west of the Anduin too?
|: No.
|: 8. The flowers in the Morgul Valley that have a rotten smell?
|: No
>> 9. Is there a characteristic or property that is particularly
>> associated with it?
Yes.
(If nothing else, then at least the property of being the correct
answer <EG>)
> 10. Is it a tree?
Yes
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This isn't right. This isn't even wrong.
- Wolfgang Pauli, on a paper submitted by a physicist colleague
(Thus speaks the quantum physicist)
Troels Forchhammer
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>
Please see the answer in my response to Raven.
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We're leaving WISDOM
to starve and thirst
when we cultivate
KNOWLEDGE as such.
The very best comes
to the very worst
WHEN IGNORANTS
KNOW TOO MUCH.
- Piet Hein, /When Ignorants --/
Troels Forchhammer
>
|: Moving right along, I've had this in mind for a
|: while. We'll stay in the vegatative realm of the _olvar_
|: 1. A manufactured item?
|: Nope
|: 2. Is it an olva mentioned in LotR?
|: Yes
|: 3. An olva which is alive?
|: Yes
|: 4. Would we find it east of the Anduin?
|: Yes
|: 5. Is it somehow connected to a King?
|: I can certainly see such a connection, yes
|: 6. There's a creeping plant near the crossroads. It grows
|: around the fallen head of the statue of a King of old.
|: Its star-shaped blossoms give the king a kind of a crown.
|: Is this the one?
|: No.
|: 7. Can one find it west of the Anduin too?
|: No.
|: 8. The flowers in the Morgul Valley that have a rotten smell?
|: No
|: 9. Is there a characteristic or property that is particularly
|: associated with it?
|: Yes.
|: 10. Is it a tree?
|: Yes
> 11. Does Frodo encounter this tree before his meeting with Faramir?
No
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Troels Forchhammer
> 12. Would it be a member of the orc family, oops, of the oak
> family?
I do not know the species or the family
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Behold! we are not bound for ever to the circles of the
world, and beyond them is more than memory, Farewell!
- Aragorn, /The Lord of the Rings/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)
TT Arvind
wrote:
13. Is it an ent?
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Öjevind Lång
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13. More than one tree?
�jevubd
Troels Forchhammer
>>
|: Moving right along, I've had this in mind for a
>> 13. Is it an ent?
No
> 13. More than one tree?
No
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Men, said the Devil,
are good to their brothers:
they don't want to mend
their own ways, but each other's.
- Piet Hein, /Mankind/
TT Arvind
wrote:
> Öjevind Lång <ojevind.l...@bredband.net> spoke these staves:
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> TT Arvind <ttarv...@hotmail.com> spoke these staves:
> |: 14. More than one tree?
> |: No
15. Is it the sapling of the White Tree found by Aragorn on
Mindolluin?
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Raven
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That was found west of the Anduin re. questions 4 and 7.
16. Is it found in Ithilien?
Annank�kai.
TT Arvind
<jon.lennart.beck.its.my.n...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote:
> That was found west of the Anduin re. questions 4 and 7.
> 16. Is it found in Ithilien?
Gah, I read those two backwards, and thought it was found west of the
Anduin, and not east (hence my ent- and Gondor-focused questions).
Sorry.
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Arvind
Rebecca
<jon.lennart.beck.its.my.n...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote:
> "TT Arvind" <ttarv...@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelelsennews:242542ca-073c-4960...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
17. Is it the ancient tree beneath which Frodo and Sam sleep the first
night they leave Henneth Annûn, when Gollum disappears? I think that
is still in the bounds of Ithilien.
Rebecca
Troels Forchhammer
>
Raven already answered, but to keep the record straight: No.
|: 16. Is it found in Ithilien?
Nope
|: 17. Is it the ancient tree beneath which Frodo and Sam sleep
|: the first night they leave Henneth Annûn, when Gollum
|: disappears? I think that is still in the bounds of Ithilien.
Since this is, I agree, in Ithilien, I guess my answer to Hrafn also
answers this . . .
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subtle and quick to anger.
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Öjevind Lång
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> |: the first night they leave Henneth Ann�n, when Gollum
> |: disappears? I think that is still in the bounds of Ithilien.
> Since this is, I agree, in Ithilien, I guess my answer to Hrafn also
> answers this . . .
Is the tree mentioned inthe Appendices to LotR?
�jevind
Troels Forchhammer
|: 16. Is it found in Ithilien?
|: Nope
|: 17. Is it the ancient tree beneath which Frodo and Sam sleep
|: disappears? I think that is still in the bounds of Ithilien.
|: 18. Is the tree mentioned inthe Appendices to LotR?
|: No
|: 19. I'll try a different direction: Is it north of Rauros?
|: Yes
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Thus, the future of the universe is not completely
determined by the laws of science, and its present state,
as Laplace thought. God still has a few tricks up his
sleeve.
- Stephen Hawking
Raven
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|: disappears? I think that is still in the bounds of Ithilien.
|: No
|: 18. Is the tree mentioned inthe Appendices to LotR?
|: No
|: 19. I'll try a different direction: Is it north of Rauros?
|: Yes
20. Long shot. Is it the tree that Gollum climbed, and escaped from,
during his captivity with the Wood-elves?
Cr�.
Raven
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> Raven <jon.lennart.be...@mail.its.in.danmark> wrote:
>> 20. Long shot. Is it the tree that Gollum climbed, and escaped from,
>> during his captivity with the Wood-elves?
> You beat me to it by a few minutes!
Well, let's see if I beat you to anything important.
Br�n.
Troels Forchhammer
>
|: the first night they leave Henneth Annûn, when Gollum
|: disappears? I think that is still in the bounds of Ithilien.
|: No
|: 18. Is the tree mentioned inthe Appendices to LotR?
|: No
|: 19. I'll try a different direction: Is it north of Rauros?
|: Yes
> 20. Long shot. Is it the tree that Gollum climbed, and escaped
> from, during his captivity with the Wood-elves?
Not so long as all that -- we have a winner! :-D Congratulations!
I was so sure that the game would be out before the tenth question
once you had it pinned down on the eastern side of the Anduin, but
then you got lost in Ithilien ;-)
I did hope that someone would ask if it was in a forest -- it stands
within Mirkwood and yet it stands alone, so that would have been a
'both yes and no' answer to confuse people . . .
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable
from magic.
- Arthur C. Clarke, /Profiles of The Future/, 1961
(Also known as 'Clarke's third law')
Derek Broughton
I could have sworn somebody had already asked, but I don't see it here:
20) Is it in Lothlorien?
--
derek