>> Animal kingdom again.
>
> 1. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
No.
�jevind
>> >> Animal kingdom again.
>> >
>> > 1. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
>>
>> No.
> But you said it was easy! ;-)
Heh. There are limits!
> 2. So does it exist in the First or Second Age?
Yes.
�jevind
3. Is it an individual named creature (ie, does it have a proper name)?
(By the way - hi guys - I used to hang around here but have been away
for some time)
--
Andy Cooke
>>>> >> Animal kingdom again.
>>>> > 1. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
>>>> No.
>>> 2. So does it exist in the First or Second Age?
>> Yes.
> 3. Is it an individual named creature (ie, does it have a proper name)?
Yes.
> (By the way - hi guys - I used to hang around here but have been away for
> some time)
Hi. Yes, I recognize yout name. :-)
�jevind
4. Is it .... EEEVILL?
(remembered after years. -feels happy- )
--
Andy Cooke
>>>>>> >> Animal kingdom again.
>>>>>> > 1. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
>>>>>> No.
>>>>> 2. So does it exist in the First or Second Age?
>>>> Yes.
>>> 3. Is it an individual named creature (ie, does it have a proper name)?
>> Yes.
>>
>>> (By the way - hi guys - I used to hang around here but have been away
>>> for some time)
>>
>> Hi. Yes, I recognize yout name. :-)
>>
>> �jevind
>
> 4. Is it .... EEEVILL?
That's debatable.
> (remembered after years. -feels happy- )
:-D
�jevind
> Animal kingdom again.
> 1. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
> No.
> 2. So does it exist in the First or Second Age?
> Yes.
> 3. Is it an individual named creature (ie, does it have a proper name)?
> Yes.
> 4. Is it .... EEEVILL?
> That's debatable.
Was that a synonym for "the Elvish answer"?
<anates>
5. Does it normally walk on four legs?
Korppi.
>> Animal kingdom again.
>> 1. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
>> No.
>> 2. So does it exist in the First or Second Age?
>> Yes.
>> 3. Is it an individual named creature (ie, does it have a proper name)?
>> Yes.
>> 4. Is it .... EEEVILL?
>> That's debatable.
>
> Was that a synonym for "the Elvish answer"?
> <anates>
Don't be a smartass! (LOL)
> 5. Does it normally walk on four legs?
No.
�jevind
|: Animal kingdom again.
|: 1. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
|: No.
|: 2. So does it exist in the First or Second Age?
|: Yes.
|: 3. Is it an individual named creature (ie, does it have
|: a proper name)?
|: Yes.
|: 4. Is it .... EEEVILL?
|: That's debatable.
>> 5. Does it normally walk on four legs?
>
> No.
Is it a human being (including Hobbits, but not Orcs)?
--
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Valid e-mail is <troelsfo(a)gmail.com>
Please put [AFT], [RABT] or 'Tolkien' in subject.
To make a name for learning
when other roads are barred,
take something very easy
and make it very hard.
- Piet Hein, /Wide Road/
Smartbird, surely?
> > 5. Does it normally walk on four legs?
> No.
6. Is it human?
--
Arvind
>> > Animal kingdom again.
>> > 1. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
>> > No.
>> > 2. So does it exist in the First or Second Age?
>> > Yes.
>> > 3. Is it an individual named creature (ie, does it have a proper name)?
>> > Yes.
>> > 4. Is it .... EEEVILL?
>> > That's debatable.
>> > 5. Does it normally walk on four legs?
>> No.
> 6. Is it human?
No.
�jevind
[snip]
> Is it a human being (including Hobbits, but not Orcs)?
I don't accept the hobbits as Men, even if Tolkien in some of his late
writings talked about their common ancestry. The foreword to LotR makes it
quite clear that they were a different speices, though near kin.
�jevind
>> Don't be a smartass! (LOL)
>
> Smartbird, surely?
the word you're thinking of is smarttail.
--
tamf
I see two Gandalfs and church bell. And two half lions chasing
a bull rat each over the lake. (Rorschach tests seen by "Illogic")
> the word you're thinking of is smarttail.
Gl�ggstjert? Glupstjert?
Ramn.
> Animal kingdom again.
> 1. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
> No.
> 2. So does it exist in the First or Second Age?
> Yes.
> 3. Is it an individual named creature (ie, does it have a proper name)?
> Yes.
> 4. Is it .... EEEVILL?
> That's debatable.
> 5. Does it normally walk on four legs?
> No.
> 6. Is it human?
> No.
7. Elf?
Kruk.
>> the word you're thinking of is smarttail.
>
> Gl�ggstjert? Glupstjert?
it does sound better in norwegian, doesn't it?
just keep'em coming, narcissist! (that's another word for raven. really!!!)
> just keep'em coming, narcissist! (that's another word for raven.
> really!!!)
No. Narcissist is another word for cat. I should know. I have enjoyed
having cats - or they enjoyed having me.
Wu[1] Ya[1].
And here I thought that it was agreed that Tolkien, when he spoke about
'us' in the prologue ('Hobbits are relatives of ours, far nearer to us
than Elves'), he was referring to 'the Big People' rather than to the
human race (the text does, after all, appear in the prologue, which is
written story-internally).
In any case I disagree that LotR -- prologue or story -- makes the
Hobbits a 'different species' any more than an African pygmy is a
different species from myself (I am not familiar with the correct
biological terms, but I'd say that LotR, to me, suggests that Hobbits
are a member of the Homo Sapiens -- perhaps not as close to me as a
pygmy, but not a different species).
--
Troels Forchhammer <troelsfo(a)googlewave.com>
Valid e-mail is <troelsfo(a)gmail.com>
Please put [AFT], [RABT] or 'Tolkien' in subject.
Elen s�la l�menn' omentielvo
- /The Fellowship of the Ring/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)
>> Animal kingdom again.
>> 1. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
>> No.
>> 2. So does it exist in the First or Second Age?
>> Yes.
>> 3. Is it an individual named creature (ie, does it have a proper name)?
>> Yes.
>> 4. Is it .... EEEVILL?
>> That's debatable.
>> 5. Does it normally walk on four legs?
>> No.
>> 6. Is it human?
>> No.
>
> 7. Elf?
No.
�jevind
>> >> Animal kingdom again.
>> >> 1. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
>> >> No.
>> >> 2. So does it exist in the First or Second Age?
>> >> Yes.
>> >> 3. Is it an individual named creature (ie, does it have a proper
>> >> name)?
>> >> Yes.
>> >> 4. Is it .... EEEVILL?
>> >> That's debatable.
>> >> 5. Does it normally walk on four legs?
>> >> No.
>> >> 6. Is it human?
>> >> No.
>> >
>> > 7. Elf?
>>
>> No.
>>
> 8. Is it Mim or one of his relatives (including "real" dwarves)?
Yes.
�jevind
OK.... I'll bite. Is it Mim ?
-W
>> >> >> Animal kingdom again.
>> >> >> 1. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
>> >> >> No.
>> >> >> 2. So does it exist in the First or Second Age?
>> >> >> Yes.
>> >> >> 3. Is it an individual named creature (ie, does it have a proper
>> >> >> name)?
>> >> >> Yes.
>> >> >> 4. Is it .... EEEVILL?
>> >> >> That's debatable.
>> >> >> 5. Does it normally walk on four legs?
>> >> >> No.
>> >> >> 6. Is it human?
>> >> >> No.
>> >> > 7. Elf?
>> >> No.
>> >>
>> > 8. Is it Mim or one of his relatives (including "real" dwarves)?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> 9. OK.... I'll bite. Is it Mim ?
Yup. :-) Frankly, I don't understand why Nautilus didn't go for it; you
could tell he was right on the trail.
�jevind
It was down to Mim or Khim, really. :-) (had to be a named individual)
Damn my need to be in bed! I could have pounced instead!
--
Andy Cooke
>>>> >> >> Animal kingdom again.
>>>> >> >> 1. Does it appear in the main text of LotR?
>>>> >> >> No.
>>>> >> >> 2. So does it exist in the First or Second Age?
>>>> >> >> Yes.
>>>> >> >> 3. Is it an individual named creature (ie, does it have a proper
>>>> >> >> name)?
>>>> >> >> Yes.
>>>> >> >> 4. Is it .... EEEVILL?
>>>> >> >> That's debatable.
>>>> >> >> 5. Does it normally walk on four legs?
>>>> >> >> No.
>>>> >> >> 6. Is it human?
>>>> >> >> No.
>>>> >> > 7. Elf?
>>>> >> No.
>>>> >>
>>>> > 8. Is it Mim or one of his relatives (including "real" dwarves)?
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> 9. OK.... I'll bite. Is it Mim ?
>>
>> Yup. :-) Frankly, I don't understand why Nautilus didn't go for it; you
>> could tell he was right on the trail.
>>
>> �jevind
>
> It was down to Mim or Khim, really. :-) (had to be a named individual)
> Damn my need to be in bed! I could have pounced instead!
There was Ibun, as well!
Of course, i could have chosen the Dwarves that killed Thingol for the
Nauglamir insteasd; hat migth have been more difficult. However, I think
M�m is an unusually touching portrait amd liked a to revisit a great episode
in the Sil (and CoH).
�jevind
[snip]
>> > 9. OK.... I'll bite. Is it Mim ?
>>
>> Yup. :-) Frankly, I don't understand why Nautilus didn't go for it; you
>> could tell he was right on the trail.
>>
>> �jevind
> Because I'm stupid, of course! :-)
>
> Actually I don't know much about the First and Second Age, a bit of the
> Silmarillion and "Hurin's Children". So I had no idea how many named
> dwarves there were.
Well, I still think you can take a good del of credit fort the answering of
this one. :-)
�jevind
Harumph! When I looked at the headers and saw that the thread continued on
a bit.. I was sure I was wrong. My first guess was Nim's ill fated son, but
I was too lazy to go look up his name - so I went with Nim.
-W
Nevertheless, I think the rules of the game require a yes or no answer to
the question, as asked.
--
derek
> In message <news:7p3om...@mid.individual.net>
> �jevind L�ng <ojevin...@bredband.net> spoke these staves:
>>
>> "Troels Forchhammer" <Tro...@ThisIsFake.invalid> skrev i
>> meddelandet news:Xns9CE67113...@130.133.4.11...
>>>
>>> Is it a human being (including Hobbits, but not Orcs)?
>>
>> I don't accept the hobbits as Men, even if Tolkien in some of his
>> late writings talked about their common ancestry. The foreword to
>> LotR makes it quite clear that they were a different speices,
>> though near kin.
>
> And here I thought that it was agreed that Tolkien, when he spoke about
> 'us' in the prologue ('Hobbits are relatives of ours, far nearer to us
> than Elves'), he was referring to 'the Big People' rather than to the
> human race (the text does, after all, appear in the prologue, which is
> written story-internally).
>
> In any case I disagree that LotR -- prologue or story -- makes the
> Hobbits a 'different species' any more than an African pygmy is a
> different species from myself (I am not familiar with the correct
> biological terms, but I'd say that LotR, to me, suggests that Hobbits
> are a member of the Homo Sapiens -- perhaps not as close to me as a
> pygmy, but not a different species).
What? Not Homo Floresiensis?
--
derek
I believe the question was resolved by answering another post made at at
about the same time.
Öjevind