Re: New tattoos!!!
Curt James
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/firien/DSC00114.jpg
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> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/firien/DSC00118.jpg
http://photobucket.com/albums/v479/firien/
Account is private? What fun is that, firien? Regardless,
thanks for posting the images. Now post some corresponding
text. Why'd you choose that design? Who was the artist?
How long did you sit? Have you posted these answers elsewhere?
http://photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/
And thanks, again, to lish for mentioning Photobucket
elsewhere in this newsgroup. Very user friendly.
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i'll teach you to turn away.
f> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/firien/DSC00114.jpg
f> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/firien/DSC00118.jpg
i see wavy lines.
lish "broken hearts
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Ray Pearson
"firien" <fir...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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thanks for sharing, the guys outline technique needs some
work, waves, jiggers, breaks, just basically uneven line
work
Don't take any criticism personally, many people in this
group have been giving and receiving high quality tattoos
for years, seriously we are pointing out things you should
look for in your next tattoo. look at the guys portfolio and
see if his lines are tight, smooth and flow with out breaks,
waves, or jerks.
We all have a "first" professional tattoo that would no
longer pass our quality test but being our "cherry tattoo "
it still is something special .
R
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i'll teach you to turn away.
f> Plus thanks to lish even if I didn't at first understand what you were
f> saying.
i can get ever more thorough if you're willing to first accept
that your sparkly new "pretty" tattoo... isn't.
Curt James
> [snip] I'm here to learn.
Then learn this:
Art critics don't know everything. What you have
on your arm is a work of art whether it meets a
technician's standards or not.
There will always be someone out there with a tattoo
that has straighter lines, brighter colors, a more
realistic rendering, but this fact does not negate
or make less the beauty of the tattoo that you, he,
she, your pet, or other is wearing.
Ray's mention of a starter tattoo is wonderful, but
the line blurs, for me, when it comes to what is to
be considered professional or not.
Art is subjective and ever will be. What you like I
may detest and the other way around, of course.
Learn, but don't lose sight of what you enjoy and
the art that appeals to you rather than the art
you're told is somehow better.
It's unnecessary for any panties or boxers to rise
into a bunch. This is my opinion and by offering it
I'm not stating that anyone else's opinion is to be
ignored or discounted.
Ray Pearson
"Curt James" <curt_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Ray's mention of a starter tattoo is wonderful, but
> the line blurs, for me, when it comes to what is to
> be considered professional or not.
no blurry line a "pro" tattoo is one that is done by a
"real" tattooist, not someone with a guitar setup.
Professional does NOT equal GOOD
Kavin
>
CJ> Art critics don't know everything. What you have
CJ> on your arm is a work of art whether it meets a
CJ> technician's standards or not.
>
So under the Curt James system, a person who says they are a Photo
Realist but actually presents a canvas looking like something out of
Picasso's cubist period is what? Just a bad technician?
CJ> There will always be someone out there with a tattoo
CJ> that has straighter lines, brighter colors, a more
CJ> realistic rendering, but this fact does not negate
CJ> or make less the beauty of the tattoo that you, he,
CJ> she, your pet, or other is wearing.
No, but a bad tattoo is a bad tattoo. Period. A bad tattoo of your
mother may have been a nice commemoration, but if the tattoo looks
like Geroge W. Bush, and your mom is closer to, say, Marilyn Monroe,
it's just tragic.
>
> Ray's mention of a starter tattoo is wonderful, but
> the line blurs, for me, when it comes to what is to
> be considered professional or not.
Your lines are blurry everywhere. That is why your advice ist to be
avoided. At all costs. By everyone. Especially newbies.
>
> It's unnecessary for any panties or boxers to rise
> into a bunch.
I left this portion because I knew you would probably make a big deal
out of me cutting it. In fact, you probably would have made it the
point of your whole post.
>This is my opinion and by offering it
> I'm not stating that anyone else's opinion is to be
> ignored or discounted.
Your opinion has no value. What's the discount on zed?
Kavin
Curt James
I scribbled: [snip]
> > the line blurs,
No pun intended there, but, yeah. Never mind.
> > for me, when it comes to what is to
> > be considered professional or not.
>
> no blurry line a "pro" tattoo is one that
> is done by a "real" tattooist, not someone
> with a guitar setup. Professional does NOT
> equal GOOD
How do you define real? Number of years on the
job or as an artist? Number of satisfied customers?
A certificate of some kind?
And if professional does not equal good then
what does? What constitutes a good tattoo for
you? The items you mentioned elsewhere in this
thread?
Good for me would be a tattoo that I enjoy
looking at. I have two color tattoos and the
one blackwork which is not much more than an
inkblot. Each has its own personality or memory
that I associate with it. And as I run into
people and show off or share my tattoos -
typically the Calvin - another memory is
associated with the tattoo.
It's all good. Or maybe not.
Ray, I hope your weekend is all good. Here's
a pic. Not sure if you've seen it or not.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/detroit04/020_27A.jpg
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http://www.geocities.com/curt_james/calvin.html
Curt James
> "Curt James" <curt_...@yahoo.com> wrote [snip]
> >
> CJ> Art critics don't know everything. What you have
> CJ> on your arm is a work of art whether it meets a
> CJ> technician's standards or not.
> >
> So under the Curt James system, a person who sa[snip]
Your offering was extreme exaggeration and nothing more.
The degree of which I'm speaking is not superrealism
versus cubism.
> CJ> There will always be someone out there with a tattoo
> CJ> that has straighter lines, brighter colors, a more
> CJ> realistic rendering, but this fact does not negate
> CJ> or make less the beauty of the tattoo that you, he,
> CJ> she, your pet, or other is wearing.
>
> No, but a bad tattoo is a bad tattoo. Period.
I picked up a hitchhiker who pulled up his t-shirt sleeve
and proudly showed off his brand new tattoo. What looked
like a stick figure on a stick figure motorcycle bordered
by the words Harly Davidson. Not Harley, but Harly. Nice.
But to look at his beaming mug, he was sporting art by
Bob Tyrrell. There are no bad tattoos. There are tattoos
that you like or that you don't like for personal reasons.
> A bad tattoo of your mother may have been a nice
> commemoration, but if the tattoo looks like Geroge
Geroge? Geroge who makes the pierogies that I love so much!
Almost as much as typos. How's that weekend going, mi amigo?
> W. Bush, and your mom is closer to, say, Marilyn Monroe,
Trivia: She died the month and year that I was born. Hey,
I love myself perhaps like no other, buy, yeah, the world
got dealt a lousy trade there. What's your birthdate, Kav?
Ooh! Her grandfather was Otis Monroe. When I first began
using the Internet it was with AOL as my ISP. My screen
name was OtisSpoff. S p o o o o o k y! Hap Hallow's Eve.
Marilyn, I believe, was a dress size 12, too. HOTCHA!
Real women *do* have curves.
> it's just tragic.
Oh, it's so damn tragic.
> > [snip]
> Your lines are blurry everywhere. That is why your
> advice ist
Ist? Bitchiness über alles!
> to be avoided. At all costs. By everyone.
Whatever.
You're a stick and my posts are, apparently, your mud.
Have fun.
Richard Hunter
coughed and sputtered, and managed to choke out these words:
>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/firien/DSC00114.jpg
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>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v479/firien/DSC00118.jpg
are/were you a cutter?
david
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Curt James
> [snip]I wont stop liking my ink just because people
> make technical comments about waves and such.
Cool.
> But I am interested in their opinions for future reference.
Of course.
> [snip] Cheers
> f.
Cheers to you, f.
If you haven't already, check out http://rabbithole.org
That Web site offers a proper welcome, the newgroup's
FAQ, as well as a selection of links you may find of use.
Have you heard of http://iam.bmezine.com/ yet?
Worth a look-see.
Kavin
"Curt James" <curt_...@yahoo.com> wrote
> that you like or that you don't like for personal reasons.
Subjective and objective are not the same word for a reason.
Kavin
Curt James
> Subjective and objective are not the same word for a reason.
Yeah, su and o. 8^)
Right, right, right.
And why do you do this...
| > "Curt James" <curt_...@yahoo.com> wrote
| > > Kavin <fabt...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
| > >
| > > > "Curt James" <curt_...@yahoo.com> wrote [snip]
| > > There are no ba[snip]
when this...
| > > > "Curt James" <curt_...@yahoo.com> wrote [snip]
| > > There are no ba[snip]
would've been just as, if not more, acceptable?
Are you bored? Or are you trying to make up for
excessive snipping everywhere?
Thanks for helping out!
i'll teach you to turn away.
f> "i'll teach you to turn away." <cr...@got.net> wrote in message
>> i can get ever more thorough if you're willing to first accept
>> that your sparkly new "pretty" tattoo... isn't.
i'm not kind. but my sig randomizer knows ALL.
f> I am willing to accept that my new tattoo aint the best. That's why I'm
f> here.
f> So pls lish let rip. I'm here to learn.
there are two main problems:
- the lines are utter crap. wavy, jagged, plenty of vacations
(blank spots where lines should be connected - check the blue fish spine
for a particularly obvious one)
- the shading is blocky & has no blending whatsoever to it -
check the scales on the red one & the mane on the blue for straight
delineations instead of smooth gradients
the style is flat & very line-drawing, but that's a personal
choice. i'm talking strictly about the quality of application. it looks
like he did a better job on the outside of your forearm - an easier place
to lay in ink - than on the soft inner skin.
i'd need to see healed photos to be able to tell you more, but if
a couple months go by & you can still feel any of the lines, then you
definitely chose poorly, artistic preferences aside.
for your own education - whether or not you like photorealism -
you should scan through portfolios on my list at
http://compunction.dyndns.org/tattoos.html to see what is POSSIBLE with
tattoo work. choose wiser next time - you did not get a quality piece of
art this go 'round.
lish "i left all my kinder parts
cr...@got.net rusting & peeling." -mm
intergalactic snitty princess
> I'll be speaking to my tattoo guy about the points
>you raised and will be more careful next time
Please let us know how receptive your artist is to the critique.
~christyn.
i'll teach you to turn away.
f> "i'll teach you to turn away." <cr...@got.net> wrote in message
f> you raised and will be more careful next time
excellent.
you're invited to stay a while. so far, you're setting a good
example of educable. it's rare.
lish "it truly breaks my heart
cr...@got.net to see trust like that go unpunished." -st
iliad awry - far too well-washed and not whorey enough
away.) formulated spare electrons thusly:
| i'd need to see healed photos to be able to tell you more, but if
| a couple months go by & you can still feel any of the lines, then you
| definitely chose poorly, artistic preferences aside.
I will add a caveat to this. Especially for women, bodies go through
bitchier and less bitchy cycles. I could still feel a certain brand of
black ink for three days a month for several years after it was
applied, though apparently it's better now as it hasn't freaked out
for a couplethree years.
Cassie
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i'll teach you to turn away.
ia> On 17 Oct 2004 03:14:09 GMT, cr...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn
ia> | i'd need to see healed photos to be able to tell you more, but
ia> | a couple months go by & you can still feel any of the lines, then you
ia> | definitely chose poorly, artistic preferences aside.
ia> I will add a caveat to this. Especially for women, bodies go through
ia> bitchier and less bitchy cycles. I could still feel a certain brand of
ia> black ink for three days a month for several years after it was
ia> applied, though apparently it's better now as it hasn't freaked out
the reason i didn't add this caveat is because of the application
of the ink. if it had been applied WELL by any measure & the OP came back
looking for why it's raised, that would be the probable explanation.
looking at it, all those shitty lines, i wouldn't be surprised at all if
it's too deep as well. so, why blame the canvas?
lish "her hatred burns me to a cinder. my charred
cr...@got.net remains keep crawling back for more." -ad
iliad awry - far too well-washed and not whorey enough
away.) formulated spare electrons thusly:
| the reason i didn't add this caveat is because of the application
| of the ink. if it had been applied WELL by any measure & the OP came back
| looking for why it's raised, that would be the probable explanation.
| looking at it, all those shitty lines, i wouldn't be surprised at all if
| it's too deep as well. so, why blame the canvas?
I was adding for future reference, and for people like me, who, a year
post-tattoo, are going "OMFG all my work is screwed up!" before
realizing it's only screwed up That Time of the Month.
I'm nice that way. Or something.
i'll teach you to turn away.
..."nice"? is that italian or something?
lish "if there's anything more important than my ego
cr...@got.net around here, i want it caught and shot now!" -zb
iliad awry - far too well-washed and not whorey enough
away.) formulated spare electrons thusly:
| ..."nice"? is that italian or something?
Irish. I didn't put in the silent d for the English-reading public. ;)