Many with multiple tattoos can't find work
Curt
TAMPA - You could call it his body of art. Every line, every design on
his body says something about Russell Parrish's life.
"My first tattoo was after my father died," he told FOX 13.
He was 15. Over the past 14 years, he amassed quite a collection.
His tattoos cover his right and left arms and hands. There is a spider
in a web crawling up his neck.
On the inside of his elbow the scripture, 'If thine eye offends thee,
pluck it out.'
"It means if you can't stand to look at me, don't," said Parrish.
But don't let him fool you, what people see when they look at Russell
bothers him.
"We walk through stores and people grab their purses and wallets. You
go for jobs and most times they won't give you an application. They
tell you don't even bother, you have too many tattoos," he said.
That's his other struggle. With a wife and dreams of kids on the way,
he wants a career. He's looked at theme parks in Kissimmee, home
improvement stores down the street in his hometown of Lake Wales, even
straight-laced coat and tie jobs. Everywhere he went, he said, "I got
a door shut in my face."
Russell says in the last two months he's applied for over 100 jobs. In
almost half of them, he says he was denied because of his tattoos. He
says that's discrimination.
John Campbell is the managing partner at Constangy, Brooks, and Smith
in Tampa. His firm handles labor and employment issues for companies
all over the Bay Area.
Campbell said it's not discrimination.
"He has marked himself in such a fashion that he may have made himself
undesirable because of his appearance. Appearance discrimination is
not illegal - may not be fair - but it is not illegal," Campbell
explained.
He said tattoos are not protected under Florida law, federal law even
local law.
But Russell's trying to change that. He's organized a small grassroots
advocacy effort called 'Tattoo' with friends Shaun and Tiffany Blayer,
local tattoo shop owners, and others to get change.
"I want it to be where people like me, good people who deserve the job
and are qualified - more qualified in some cases - can get the job,"
he said.
He's tried the EEOC and the Department of Labor with no luck. Now he's
turning to local lawmakers
In the meantime, Russell refuses to make apologies for his choices.
"I don't regret any of em - I wouldn't go back and not get any. A
person's gotta be themselves," he said.
On the inside of his elbow the scripture, 'If thine eye offends thee,
pluck it out.'
"It means if you can't stand to look at me, don't," said Parrish.
But don't let him fool you, what people see when they look at Russell
bothers him.
"We walk through stores and people grab their purses and wallets. You
go for jobs and most times they won't give you an application. They
tell you don't even bother, you have too many tattoos," he said.
That's his other struggle. With a wife and dreams of kids on the way,
he wants a career. He's looked at theme parks in Kissimmee, home
improvement stores down the street in his hometown of Lake Wales, even
straight-laced coat and tie jobs. Everywhere he went, he said, "I got
a door shut in my face."
Russell says in the last two months he's applied for over 100 jobs. In
almost half of them, he says he was denied because of his tattoos. He
says that's discrimination.
John Campbell is the managing partner at Constangy, Brooks, and Smith
in Tampa. His firm handles labor and employment issues for companies
all over the Bay Area.
Campbell said it's not discrimination.
"He has marked himself in such a fashion that he may have made himself
undesirable because of his appearance. Appearance discrimination is
not illegal - may not be fair - but it is not illegal," Campbell
explained.
He said tattoos are not protected under Florida law, federal law even
local law.
But Russell's trying to change that. He's organized a small grassroots
advocacy effort called 'Tattoo' with friends Shaun and Tiffany Blayer,
local tattoo shop owners, and others to get change.
"I want it to be where people like me, good people who deserve the job
and are qualified - more qualified in some cases - can get the job,"
he said.
He's tried the EEOC and the Department of Labor with no luck. Now he's
turning to local lawmakers
In the meantime, Russell refuses to make apologies for his choices.
"I don't regret any of em - I wouldn't go back and not get any. A
person's gotta be themselves," he said. /copy and paste from
http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=3344083&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
aka http://tinyurl.com/yt4fxh
--
Curt
Kavin...@gmail.com
> Many with multiple tattoos can't find work
And many with multiple tattoos are gainfully employed.
So what IS your point?
Kavin
Curt
> Curt wrote:
>
> > Many with multiple tattoos can't find work
Technically that shouldn't be "Curt wrote" as it - see http://tinyurl.com/yt4fxh
- was copied and pasted.
> And many with multiple tattoos
> are gainfully employed.
Not the author's focus, however.
> So what IS your point?
Priapism!
--
Curt
Nina Baltes
Next up: people who behave like complete and utter assholes expect to be
treated with love and respect because really, nobody should be stretched
by their outward appearance.
Nina
--
C'est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.
Louis Pasteur
http://www.chaotropic.net
Kavin...@gmail.com
> Kavin Taylor wrote:
> > So what IS your point?
>
> Priapism!
See, now you can admit it.
Kavin
Kavin...@gmail.com
> KavinTay...@gmail.com wrote:
> Next up: people who behave like complete and utter assholes expect to be
> treated with love and respect because really, nobody should be stretched
> by their outward appearance.
Only God is allowed to be stretchmental.
Kavin
Nina Baltes
> Only God is allowed to be stretchmental.
That's a bit of a judge, don't you think?
Kavin...@gmail.com
> KavinTay...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Only God is allowed to be stretchmental.
>
> That's a bit of a judge, don't you think?
Just gauging the room . . .
Kavin
Curt
Anyway, multiple (three for me) has never hampered my work.
My shaved head and 2 gauge lobe holes didn't prevent me from being
hired and my 00 gauge lobe holes have not prevented me from
maintaining that employment.
Appearance does count, I'm certain, however attitude and ability are
just as important, if not moreso, when it comes to being selected for
a particular job.
--
Curt
Kavin...@gmail.com
> (burp!)
>
> Anyway, multiple (three for me) has never hampered my work.
Multiple what? Idiocies? Episodes of ill-manners -- like your burp?
> Appearance does count, I'm certain, however attitude and ability are
> just as important, if not moreso, when it comes to being selected for
> a particular job.
Oh, you mean multiple run-ons.
Kavin
Curt
> Curt wrote:
>
> > (burp!)
>
> > Anyway, multiple (three for me)
> > has never hampered my work.
>
> Multiple what?
Read the Subject line much, Kavvy? Ahhh, I'll forgive you (more likely
give you the benefit of the doubt) in your attempt at wit.
> Idiocies?
Hmm. Who DID offer that dances-with-pigs quote? Perhaps it is a case
of multiple idiocies at that. Ours is a dance of pig and pig? You've
certainly muddied yourself by your participation in boorish back-and-
forths. Well, some might say. And, hey, maybe *boar*ish would be more
apt.
> Episodes of ill-manners
If so then I'm not alone, imo. ;o)
> like your burp?
Oh, you sensitive widdle thing.
> > Appearance does count, I'm
> > certain, however attitude and
> > ability are just as important,
> > if not moreso, when it comes
> > to being selected for a
> > particular job.
>
> Oh, you mean multiple run-ons.
Whatever.
How about multiple /tasks/? ;o)
I'm watching the special features for Flushed Away. They're making a
little Play-Doh-like slug right now. Great movie and some really cool
extras.
Oink! Oh, excuuuse me.
--
Curt
Kavin...@gmail.com
> Kavin Taylor wrote:
> > Curt wrote:
>
> > > (burp!)
>
> > > Anyway, multiple (three for me)
> > > has never hampered my work.
>
> > Multiple what?
>
> Read the Subject line much, Kavvy? Ahhh, I'll forgive you (more likely
> give you the benefit of the doubt) in your attempt at wit.
And as I said, multiple what? The examples you gave were of lobe
piercings and a shaved head. Were those the "three" you were talking
about? Because one shaved head and two lobes equals three.
Se what happens when you live in your muddled world?
> Hmm. Who DID offer that dances-with-pigs quote? Perhaps it is a case
> of multiple idiocies at that. Ours is a dance of pig and pig?
I've explained why I do what I do. And I still wonder why you think
it is a good thing that you "can't" remember who said it. Did you
forget how to Google?
>You've
> certainly muddied yourself by your participation in boorish back-and-
> forths.
You're opinion, which is worth nothing.
Kavin
Curt
> Curt wrote:
> The examples you gave were of lobe
> piercings and a shaved head. Were
> those the "three" you were talking
> about? Because one shaved head
> and two lobes equals three.
Kavvy, are you being serious? No. The Subject line includes the word
multiple - "Many with multiple tattoos can't find work".
I wrote:
"Anyway, multiple (three for me) has never
hampered my work.
My shaved head and 2 gauge lobe holes
didn't prevent me from being hired and my
00 gauge lobe holes have not prevented
me from maintaining that employment.
Appearance does count, I'm certain,
however attitude and ability are just as
important, if not moreso, when it comes
to being selected for a particular job." /copy and paste
And so, yeah, multiple would refer to tattoos.
You, especially, having spent a goodly amount of time scouring my web
pages, know that I have three tattoos. I mentioned appearance as it
relates to employment and so included a mention of the shaved head and
punched lobes.
But enjoy yourself. You're entertaining.
> Se
Se? heh
> what happens when you live in your
> muddled world?
Like I said, you're entertaining.
> > Hmm. Who DID offer that dances-with-pigs
> > quote? Perhaps it is a case of multiple
> > idiocies at that. Ours is a dance of pig
> > and pig?
>
> I've explained why I do what I do.
That's nice, Kavvy.
> And I still wonder why you think it is a good
Good? ;o) It's not good or bad. It just is.
> thing that you "can't" remember who said it.
Because I can't. Not something that stuck in my mind for whatever
reason. The image of someone dancing with a pig obviously stuck. Funny
stuff.
> Did you forget how to Google?
Ever hear of a rhetorical question? Let's - you and me - review, okay?
I wrote: "Who DID offer that dances-with-pigs quote?" Rhetorical, Kav.
Obviously, I can Google with the best of 'em, so that wasn't the point
- who wrote the quote or mentioned the pig. The point was - get your
notepad and pen - as much as you complain about my posting, well, a
reasonable person would assume that you'd ignore or avoid me and my
posts. Lubbert Das much? Or who was it that commented, something like,
on my using you as a punching bag. If I'm the pig then you're getting
muddy, pal.
> >You've certainly muddied yourself by
> > your participation in boorish back-and-
> > forths.
>
> You're opinion,
You meant to write "Your opinion," right? Slow down. Think about
context or if you're simply yanking my chain then know that it's not
working.
> which is worth nothing.
Perhaps to you.
--
Curt
Marie
>(burp!)
Excuse you...
I believe that also, but I think the majority of people don't.
My tattoos, 8-10 at the time, did not at all stop me from working for
the college as a teacher's assistant. Yeah, it was a dinky job but
"professional".
Marie
Curt
I belched:
> >(burp!)
>
> Excuse you...
Oh, excuse me!
Hmm. Actually, Marie, some might say there's NO excuse for me. ;o)
[...]
> > Appearance does count, I'm certain,
> > however attitude and ability are just as
> > important, if not moreso, when it comes
> > to being selected for a particular job.
>
> I believe that also, but I think the majority of
> people don't.
You're probably right about that, unfortunately.
> My tattoos, 8-10 at the time, did not at all stop
> me from working for the college as a teacher's
> assistant. Yeah, it was a dinky job but
> "professional".
> Marie
Well, at the elementary level, I really don't see too many adults.
When I wear "professional" clothes the students ask if I'm going on a
date, to a funeral or a wedding (aren't those last two the same
thing?) and the adults either tease with something like "Well, don't
you look nice today?" or ask if I'm interviewing somewhere.
Did you have to dress professionally or could you wear casual clothes?
Fridays are dress down days, but otherwise I'm in khakis and a polo
shirt.
I didn't wear my tunnels to school this year, but did wear them to
basketball games. The glass plugs don't cause as much excitement or
curiosity as the tunnels.
--
Curt
Kavin...@gmail.com
> My tattoos, 8-10 at the time, did not at all stop me from working for
> the college as a teacher's assistant.
How many did you have visible at the time you interviewed?
Kavin
N Jill Marsh
Assuming she was neatly dressed and otherwise a good interview, I
wouldn't think a public college would have any trouble with tattoos or
other bodyart, unless it was really outre or a very conservative
college. Indeed, they'd probably be a plus in some faculties.
Alternative appearances tend to be acceptable in an academic setting -
think of all those old geezers who don't shave and wear black socks
with their sandals. (Sorry for the image.)
Looking the same way working for a bank or an insurance company's
another matter. Though it's been my experience that an older,
pleasant, qualified, and otherwise conventionally dressed person can
be considered presentable with more conservative employers than one
would think.
nj"btdt"m
--
"I do not rhyme to that dull elf
Who cannot imagine to himself..."
Curt
[...]
> <snip> wouldn't think a public college
> would have any trouble with tattoos
> or other bodyart, unless it was
> really outre or a very conservative
> college.
[...]
> <snip> a bank or an insurance
> company's another matter. Though
> it's been my experience that an older,
> pleasant<snip>
With pleasant being perhaps the key word.
Imo, attitude and ability are just as important, if not more important
than appearance, when it comes to being selected for a particular
job.
Oooh, deja vu.
Anyway the guy in the article states that in two months he's applied
for over 100 jobs. Out of almost 50 of those apps, he says he was
denied due to tattoo discrimination.
Aw, geez. Get a nice jacket and a turtleneck and quit your crying.
On top of his complaint, he's also started an advocacy group called
Tattoo! Hey, there's nothing like the low-key approach.
To me that doesn't say pleasant. Newp. That says chip on shoulder. And
one hundred job applications? I might've applied at twenty places over
the one summer as a high schooler, but since then that's been
unnecessary or maybe impossible. I mean, with greater training and/or
education comes fewer job targets. Not opportunities but targets or
employers you're actually placing your focus on.
With that in mind, I suspect it's poor attitude and lack of skills
that's keeping the man in the article from gainful (or any)
employment.
--
Curt
Marie
>How many did you have visible at the time you interviewed?
>
>Kavin
4 at the time I was hired, and they had seen 7 total because I took
classes there before graduating and teaching.
Marie
Kavin...@gmail.com
> On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 23:01:21 -0000, "KavinTay...@gmail.com"
>
> <KavinTay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 5, 6:02 pm, Marie <annadog...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> My tattoos, 8-10 at the time, did not at all stop me from working for
> >> the college as a teacher's assistant.
>
> >How many did you have visible at the time you interviewed?
>
> Assuming she was neatly dressed and otherwise a good interview, I
> wouldn't think a public college would have any trouble with tattoos or
> other bodyart, unless it was really outre or a very conservative
> college.
My question was more a poke at Curt's hidden tattoos.
That's why he switched to his stretched lobes, even if he is the one
that keeps pointing out the subject line.
Yeah, multiple tattoos equals stretched lobes.
Again, "It's not that you're a pierced asshole, you're just an
asshole."
Not Jill, she's Jillicious.
Kavin
Marie
>Well, at the elementary level, I really don't see too many adults.
>When I wear "professional" clothes the students ask if I'm going on a
>date, to a funeral or a wedding (aren't those last two the same
>thing?) and the adults either tease with something like "Well, don't
>you look nice today?" or ask if I'm interviewing somewhere.
Yeah, these days I am in jeans 99% of the time, so if I happen to wear
a skirt I am asked why I am dressed up.
And as for your comment about funerals and weddings being the same- my
husband has a pair of black dress shoes that are worn only to funerals
and weddings. I have a pair of black sandals, brown sandals, and black
boots, and I wear whichever I am in the mood for at the time. I love
the boots. Not that any of this is on-topic!
>Did you have to dress professionally or could you wear casual clothes?
>Fridays are dress down days, but otherwise I'm in khakis and a polo
>shirt.
I actually wasn't told what to wear, but I ended up wearing skirts,
fitted blouses and sandals. I would call it casual. When I was a
student I wore tank tops and jeans to class. I think it would have
been all right if I had worn jeans and a t-shirt when I was teaching,
but I liked to look "pretty" occasionally ;o)
If I wear regular t-shirts, the tattoos on my arms can't be seen, but
they can in a fitted shirt.
>I didn't wear my tunnels to school this year, but did wear them to
>basketball games. The glass plugs don't cause as much excitement or
>curiosity as the tunnels.
I had normal ears at the time. And I have normal ears now, I got bored
with them stretched. If I stretch them again, it will be the third
time!
I recently had my lip pierced, and I was surprised to notice I got
more comments on my ears than I have my lip! Only my mom said anything
about it, ha. My grandfather, who is always sure to have some great
words of wisdom(bless his heart, as the saying goes), has said nothing
at all.
Marie
N Jill Marsh
>On Jun 5, 8:08 pm, N Jill Marsh <njma...@storm.ca> wrote:
>> Assuming she was neatly dressed and otherwise a good interview, I
>> wouldn't think a public college would have any trouble with tattoos or
>> other bodyart, unless it was really outre or a very conservative
>> college.
>
>My question was more a poke at Curt's hidden tattoos.
Yeah, but that's my particular soapbox.
I have a new nostril piercing. When my supervisor saw it a few days
ago, she asked "why didn't you get bigger jewellery? it would look
better with bigger jewellery." This is a very conservative workplace,
but I'm just...
> Jillicious.
nj"exactly"m
Kavin...@gmail.com
> I have a new nostril piercing. When my supervisor saw it a few days
> ago, she asked "why didn't you get bigger jewellery? it would look
> better with bigger jewellery."
I stopped wearing my septum jewelry years ago because, at the time, it
appeared to be one that caused a visceral reaction in people. I'm now
stretching it again so I can wear a good-sized ring in it at a college
reunion happening in a few weeks.
But I find it interesting that a nostril piercing doesn't cause the
same reaction. Or has society gotten used to the whole thing?
Kavin
Curt
> Curt wrote:
> >Well, at the elementary level, I really don't see too many adults.
> >When I wear "professional" clothes the students ask if I'm going on a
> >date, to a funeral or a wedding (aren't those last two the same
> >thing?) and the adults either tease with something like "Well, don't
> >you look nice today?" or ask if I'm interviewing somewhere.
>
> Yeah, these days I am in jeans 99% of the time, so if I happen to wear
> a skirt I am asked why I am dressed up.
I wore a Gap shirt today and my one co-worker blinked. Typically it's
been Phat Farm and Rocawear, so the dress shirt drew some comments.
> And as for your comment about funerals and weddings being the same- my
> husband has a pair of black dress shoes that are worn only to funerals
> and weddings. I have a pair of black sandals, brown sandals, and black
> boots, and I wear whichever I am in the mood for at the time. I love
> the boots. Not that any of this is on-topic!
Off topic can be a good thing.
> >Did you have to dress professionally or could you wear casual clothes?
> >Fridays are dress down days, but otherwise I'm in khakis and a polo
> >shirt.
>
> I actually wasn't told what to wear, but I ended up wearing skirts,
> fitted blouses and sandals. I would call it casual. When I was a
> student I wore tank tops and jeans to class. I think it would have
> been all right if I had worn jeans and a t-shirt when I was teaching,
> but I liked to look "pretty" occasionally ;o)
Me too!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/MFW/supahgeeeenius.jpg
:oD
> If I wear regular t-shirts, the tattoos on my arms can't be seen, but
> they can in a fitted shirt.
>
> >I didn't wear my tunnels to school this year, but did wear them to
> >basketball games. The glass plugs don't cause as much excitement or
> >curiosity as the tunnels.
>
> I had normal ears at the time. And I have normal ears now, I got bored
> with them stretched. If I stretch them again, it will be the third
> time!
I had a few mall piercings before getting the 2 g punch. Then I
stretched to 0 g and again to 00 g. I've never let them shrink down.
> I recently had my lip pierced, and I was surprised to notice I got
> more comments on my ears than I have my lip! Only my mom said anything
> about it, ha. My grandfather, who is always sure to have some great
> words of wisdom(bless his heart, as the saying goes), has said nothing
> at all.
> Marie
I can almost hear "That crazy kid!" :o)
--
Curt
N Jill Marsh
>On Jun 6, 8:04 am, N Jill Marsh <njma...@storm.ca> wrote:
>
>> I have a new nostril piercing. When my supervisor saw it a few days
>> ago, she asked "why didn't you get bigger jewellery? it would look
>> better with bigger jewellery."
>
>But I find it interesting that a nostril piercing doesn't cause the
>same reaction. Or has society gotten used to the whole thing?
Oh, nostril piercings are delicate and tasteful and are associated
with beautiful Indian women. I've spoken to a lot of older women who
really really like them, as long as they don't have rings in them.
I'm thinking of a little skull, once this heals. ;-D
I have never come across someone who wasn't into bodyart that liked
septum piercings, they seem far an away the thing that bothers people
the most.
nj"devine bovine"m
Kavin...@gmail.com
> I have never come across someone who wasn't into bodyart that liked
> septum piercings, they seem far an away the thing that bothers people
> the most.
My friends can handle all the genital piercings (well, as best they
can), but the septum . . .
Kavin
The Queen of Cans and Jars
> I have never come across someone who wasn't into bodyart that liked
> septum piercings, they seem far an away the thing that bothers people the
> most.
I quite dislike them. I think very few people look good with them.
Kavin...@gmail.com
wrote:
And I agree (of course, I AM the exception).
Most people either over do the jewelry -- 000g, 2 inch ring, or under,
18g, 1/2 inch ring.
By the way, I meant 000 stretch and 18 stretch.
Kavin
N Jill Marsh
>On Jun 6, 5:35 pm, N Jill Marsh <njma...@storm.ca> wrote:
>> I have never come across someone who wasn't into bodyart that liked
>> septum piercings, they seem far an away the thing that bothers people
>> the most.
>
>My friends can handle all the genital piercings
If only I'd had your phone number when I was stuck in Atlanta this
winter.
> (well, as best they can), but the septum . . .
I think it's a piercing that's not particularly flattering on a lot of
people, but I also think they're really nice on the right person. I'd
say exactly the same thing about eyebrow piercings as well, yet those
don't provoke anything like the reaction septums do.
nj"the nose knows"m
Kavin...@gmail.com
> If only I'd had your phone number when I was stuck in Atlanta this
> winter.
That can always be remedied with private e-mail.
Kavin
N Jill Marsh
Well you know, if I'd /known/ I was going to be in Atlanta for twenty
four more hours than expected, I would have baked you a cake.
nj"or brought you tasty air line food"m
i'll teach you to turn away.
Kgc> My friends can handle all the genital piercings
I KNOW I CAN!@#!@$!!$
lish "the opinions that i don't give
cr...@got.net are the opinions i don't got." -mm
43.9% / 30 RANA 128 / 70
i'll teach you to turn away.
Kgc> On Jun 6, 8:55 pm, dhrr...@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and Jars)
>> I quite dislike them. I think very few people look good with them.
she meant I'M the exception, kavin.
Kgc> Most people either over do the jewelry -- 000g, 2 inch ring, or under,
Kgc> 18g, 1/2 inch ring.
agreed on that. mine's only been a 14 or 12ga 1/2" ring for the
past decade, & it's not changing.
lish "& i'd rather be shot in the face
cr...@got.net than hear what you're going to say." -fnm
the sprout
> I have never come across someone who wasn't into bodyart that liked
> septum piercings, they seem far an away the thing that bothers people
> the most.
my SO isn't into bodyart at all & especially dislikes tattoos. but he
thinks my septum piercing is super duper cute.
of course, i think it looks dumb as hell, so i only wear it at home.
//sprt
N Jill Marsh
wrote:
>N Jill Marsh wrote:
>
>> I have never come across someone who wasn't into bodyart that liked
>> septum piercings, they seem far an away the thing that bothers people
>> the most.
>
>my SO isn't into bodyart at all & especially dislikes tattoos. but he
>thinks my septum piercing is super duper cute.
He is a special creature and should be cherished.
>of course, i think it looks dumb as hell, so i only wear it at home.
Does that make it your special freak fetish?
nj"ooh, I'm wearing my septum jewellery tonight..."m
Kavin...@gmail.com
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:32:26 -0000, "KavinTay...@gmail.com"
>
> <KavinTay...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jun 7, 6:14 am, N Jill Marsh <njma...@storm.ca> wrote:
>
> >> If only I'd had your phone number when I was stuck in Atlanta this
> >> winter.
>
> >That can always be remedied with private e-mail.
>
> Well you know, if I'd /known/ I was going to be in Atlanta for twenty
> four more hours than expected, I would have baked you a cake.
Hey, you coulda had a layover at my place. Fluffy bed, 15 pillows, 2
down comforters, down mattress topper, 2 dogs 4 cats.
I might have even made French Toast.
Kavin
Kavin...@gmail.com
> KavinTay...@gmail.com <KavinTay...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Kgc> My friends can handle all the genital piercings
>
> I KNOW I CAN!@#!@$!!$
Look for pictures this weekend . . .
kavin
i'll teach you to turn away.
Kgc> Hey, you coulda had a layover at my place. Fluffy bed, 15 pillows, 2
Kgc> down comforters, down mattress topper, 2 dogs 4 cats.
Kgc> I might have even made French Toast.
& judging on past experience, if he couldn't provide crash space,
he'd still cover a pretty swanky hotel room. :D
though, i missed out on the french toast. :( :( :(
lish "we don't even care
cr...@got.net whether or not we care." -ma
i'll teach you to turn away.
Kgc> On Jun 7, 2:40 pm, c...@got.net (i'll teach you to turn away.) wrote:
>> Kgc> My friends can handle all the genital piercings
>> I KNOW I CAN!@#!@$!!$
BFT
lish "you bit off more than you could chew
cr...@got.net the first day you met me." -dm
i'll teach you to turn away.
ts> thinks my septum piercing is super duper cute.
ts> of course, i think it looks dumb as hell, so i only wear it at home.
judy? dude, the septum looked adorable on you.
lish "& i'd rather be shot in the face
cr...@got.net than hear what you're going to say." -fnm
Curt
[...]
> My question was more a poke at Curt's
> hidden tattoos.
Hidden? Duh, Kav. When's the last time you saw backless menswear?
Don't answer that.
Even if I wear a tanktop, my little starter lizard tattoo is covered.
http://www.geocities.com/curt_james/lizard250h.jpg
My koi is on my hip, so unless I'm wearing a slingshot swimsuit -
which I don't - or take an interview buck nekkid, well, no prospective
employer is going to see that tattoo either.
http://www.geocities.com/curt_james/koi250h.jpg
And it's doubtful that anyone would be fearful of hiring someone with
a Calvin and Hobbes tattoo.
http://www.geocities.com/curt_james/calvin.html
So perhaps hidden isn't the best word to describe tattoos that by
there location are simply covered while wearing a shirt and pants.
> That's why he switched to his stretched lobes,
> even if he is the one that keeps pointing out
> the subject line.
You've got a point there, but what of it? You asked three what when
you know I have three tattoos. I mentioned my stretched lobes as
that's an anecdotal bit that is relevant to the Subject by way of
bodyart.
> Yeah, multiple tattoos equals stretched lobes.
Yeah, multiple tattoos and stretched lobes are, however, bodyart. I
phrased my post, imo, with obvious context that should have been
something you could've easily surmounted in your quest for
understanding, but it seems like you like a bit of tit for tat (*your*
words this time?) that you cry about when referencing my behavior.
Pot, kettle, you-need-to-lighten-up. ;o)
> Again, "It's not that you're a pierced
> asshole, you're just an asshole."
Opinion. So far as the guy in the article goes, I tend to agree. A
guess, of course, but there's enough clues there to make that a
reasonable guess, imo.
[...]
--
Curt
Curt
[...]
> My question was more a poke at Curt's
> hidden tattoos.
Hidden? Duh, Kav. When's the last time you saw backless menswear?
Don't answer that.
Even if I wear a tanktop, my little starter lizard tattoo is covered.
http://www.geocities.com/curt_james/lizard250h.jpg
My koi is on my hip, so unless I'm wearing a slingshot swimsuit -
which I don't - or take an interview buck nekkid, well, no prospective
employer is going to see that tattoo either.
http://www.geocities.com/curt_james/koi250h.jpg
And it's doubtful that anyone would be fearful of hiring someone with
a Calvin and Hobbes tattoo.
http://www.geocities.com/curt_james/calvin.html
So perhaps hidden isn't the best word to describe tattoos that by
there location are simply covered while wearing a shirt and pants.
> That's why he switched to his stretched lobes,
> even if he is the one that keeps pointing out
> the subject line.
You've got a point there, but what of it? You asked three what when
you know I have three tattoos. I mentioned my stretched lobes as
that's an anecdotal bit that is relevant to the Subject by way of
bodyart.
> Yeah, multiple tattoos equals stretched lobes.
Yeah, multiple tattoos and stretched lobes are, however, bodyart. I
phrased my post, imo, with obvious context that should have been
something you could've easily surmounted in your quest for
understanding, but it seems like you like a bit of tit for tat (*your*
words this time?) that you cry about when referencing my behavior.
Pot, kettle, you-need-to-lighten-up. ;o)
> Again, "It's not that you're a pierced
> asshole, you're just an asshole."
Opinion. So far as the guy in the article goes, I tend to agree. A
the sprout
> the sprout <spr...@kwygibo.com> wrote:
> ts> thinks my septum piercing is super duper cute.
> ts> of course, i think it looks dumb as hell, so i only wear it at home.
>
> judy? dude, the septum looked adorable on you.
aw, thx!
//sprt
the sprout
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:52:04 -0400, the sprout <spr...@kwygibo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> N Jill Marsh wrote:
>>
>>> I have never come across someone who wasn't into bodyart that liked
>>> septum piercings, they seem far an away the thing that bothers people
>>> the most.
>> my SO isn't into bodyart at all & especially dislikes tattoos. but he
>> thinks my septum piercing is super duper cute.
>
> He is a special creature and should be cherished.
HE SURE IS.
>> of course, i think it looks dumb as hell, so i only wear it at home.
>
> Does that make it your special freak fetish?
*ahem*
//sprt
Kavin...@gmail.com
> Kavin Taylor wrote:
>
> > Yeah, multiple tattoos equals stretched lobes.
>
> Yeah, multiple tattoos and stretched lobes are, however, bodyart.
What a typical Curt reply.
Useless.
Kavin
And have you noticed how many of the posts now concern the subject
line?
Exactly.
N Jill Marsh
Torment me with the thought now. I had to stay in a place that was so
nasty I wouldn't open my suitcase and I put a chair up against the
doorknob.
nj"okay, not actually that nasty"m
Curt
> Curt wrote:
> > Kavin Taylor wrote:
>
> > > Yeah, multiple tattoos equals
> > > stretched lobes.
>
> > Yeah, multiple tattoos and stretched
> > lobes are, however, bodyart.
>
> What a typical Curt reply.
What? Accurate? So tattoos and stretched lobes aren't bodyart? No
connection whatsoever, eh?
Whatever, Kavvy. Typical Curt reply, okay. Which is in direct conflict
with you...
> Useless.
I'd say so.
> Kavin
>
> And have you noticed how many of the
> posts now concern the subject line?
No.
But I have noticed how many have taken the time to question my
context.
> Exactly.
Yes, exactly.
--
Curt
Kavin...@gmail.com
> Kavin Taylor wrote:
> > Curt wrote:
> > > Kavin Taylor wrote:
>
> > > > Yeah, multiple tattoos equals
> > > > stretched lobes.
>
> > > Yeah, multiple tattoos and stretched
> > > lobes are, however, bodyart.
>
> > What a typical Curt reply.
>
> What? Accurate? So tattoos and stretched lobes aren't bodyart? No
> connection whatsoever, eh?
Not even the point. Your comment starts out with what appears to be
agreement, yet you change the sentence. Typical of Curt.
>
C> Whatever, Kavvy. Typical Curt reply, okay. Which is in direct
conflict
C> with you...
And again, you are the idiot, the person who is wrong, the one that is
not correct, etc.
C> But I have noticed how many have taken the time to question my
C> context.
That is because most don't give a fuck about you. At all. I think
you should be dead. Most wouldn't waste the time to respond to
you. I think your words should not go unanswered.
But Curt, never assume the lack of response to your posts means you
are correct. It is ALWAYS the opposite.
Kavin
Curt
[...]
> But Curt, never assume the
> lack of response to your posts
Let's you and me see how this works, eh?
> means you are correct.
~*Kavin, it's perhaps surprising that you seem to have nothing better
to do with your time. Just imagine if you'd work on your purported
musical instead rather than chiming in re posts that I've initiated.*~
> It is ALWAYS the opposite.
Cool.
Ignore that. :oD
--
Curt
Kavin...@gmail.com
>Just imagine if you'd work on your purported
> musical instead rather than chiming in re posts that I've initiated.*~
Once again, stellar logic.
One does not prevent the other.
Kavin
Curt
> Curt wrote:
>
> > on your purported musical
> > <snip> rather than chiming
> > in re posts that I've initiated.<snip>
>
> Once again, stellar logic.
Thank you.
> One does not prevent the other.
Assuming a finite amount of time, one activity does, however, reduce
the amount of time spent on another activity. Good luck with that.
Hmmm...
--
Curt
radi...@aol.com
> Many with multiple tattoos can't find work
>
> TAMPA - You could call it his body of art. Every line, every design on
> his body says something about Russell Parrish's life.
>
> "My first tattoo was after my father died," he told FOX 13.
>
> He was 15. Over the past 14 years, he amassed quite a collection.
>
> His tattoos cover his right and left arms and hands. There is a spider
> in a web crawling up his neck.
>
> On the inside of his elbow the scripture, 'If thine eye offends thee,
> pluck it out.'
>
> "It means if you can't stand to look at me, don't," said Parrish.
>
> But don't let him fool you, what people see when they look at Russell
> bothers him.
>
> "We walk through stores and people grab their purses and wallets. You
> go for jobs and most times they won't give you an application. They
> tell you don't even bother, you have too many tattoos," he said.
>
> That's his other struggle. With a wife and dreams of kids on the way,
> he wants a career. He's looked at theme parks in Kissimmee, home
> improvement stores down the street in his hometown of Lake Wales, even
> straight-laced coat and tie jobs. Everywhere he went, he said, "I got
> a door shut in my face."
>
> Russell says in the last two months he's applied for over 100 jobs. In
> almost half of them, he says he was denied because of his tattoos. He
> says that's discrimination.
>
> John Campbell is the managing partner at Constangy, Brooks, and Smith
> in Tampa. His firm handles labor and employment issues for companies
> all over the Bay Area.
>
> Campbell said it's not discrimination.
>
> "He has marked himself in such a fashion that he may have made himself
> undesirable because of his appearance. Appearance discrimination is
> not illegal - may not be fair - but it is not illegal," Campbell
> explained.
>
> He said tattoos are not protected under Florida law, federal law even
> local law.
>
> But Russell's trying to change that. He's organized a small grassroots
> advocacy effort called 'Tattoo' with friends Shaun and Tiffany Blayer,
> local tattoo shop owners, and others to get change.
>
> "I want it to be where people like me, good people who deserve the job
> and are qualified - more qualified in some cases - can get the job,"
> he said.
>
> He's tried the EEOC and the Department of Labor with no luck. Now he's
> turning to local lawmakers
>
> In the meantime, Russell refuses to make apologies for his choices.
>
> "I don't regret any of em - I wouldn't go back and not get any. A
> person's gotta be themselves," he said.
>
> On the inside of his elbow the scripture, 'If thine eye offends thee,
> pluck it out.'
>
> "It means if you can't stand to look at me, don't," said Parrish.
>
> But don't let him fool you, what people see when they look at Russell
> bothers him.
>
> "We walk through stores and people grab their purses and wallets. You
> go for jobs and most times they won't give you an application. They
> tell you don't even bother, you have too many tattoos," he said.
>
> That's his other struggle. With a wife and dreams of kids on the way,
> he wants a career. He's looked at theme parks in Kissimmee, home
> improvement stores down the street in his hometown of Lake Wales, even
> straight-laced coat and tie jobs. Everywhere he went, he said, "I got
> a door shut in my face."
>
> Russell says in the last two months he's applied for over 100 jobs. In
> almost half of them, he says he was denied because of his tattoos. He
> says that's discrimination.
>
> John Campbell is the managing partner at Constangy, Brooks, and Smith
> in Tampa. His firm handles labor and employment issues for companies
> all over the Bay Area.
>
> Campbell said it's not discrimination.
>
> "He has marked himself in such a fashion that he may have made himself
> undesirable because of his appearance. Appearance discrimination is
> not illegal - may not be fair - but it is not illegal," Campbell
> explained.
>
> He said tattoos are not protected under Florida law, federal law even
> local law.
>
> But Russell's trying to change that. He's organized a small grassroots
> advocacy effort called 'Tattoo' with friends Shaun and Tiffany Blayer,
> local tattoo shop owners, and others to get change.
>
> "I want it to be where people like me, good people who deserve the job
> and are qualified - more qualified in some cases - can get the job,"
> he said.
>
> He's tried the EEOC and the Department of Labor with no luck. Now he's
> turning to local lawmakers
>
> In the meantime, Russell refuses to make apologies for his choices.
>
> "I don't regret any of em - I wouldn't go back and not get any. A
> person's gotta be themselves," he said. /copy and paste fromhttp://www.myfoxtampabay.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=334408...
> akahttp://tinyurl.com/yt4fxh
>
There's a very, very good reason most tattoo shops
don't tat on the hands or the face, unless possibly tats are
already there.
Even neck tattoos are a bit iffy, but those are much more
common.
Bottom line, is that if you cannot hide the tattoo with normal
work/inteview clothes, then it's not the best idea for your career.
Tattoos are still associated with rebellious attitudes towards
society in general, and although small, hiddden tats are very
mainstream now, when people cover more than 40% of their exposed skin,
or when they get "H-A-T-E" on their fingers, one cannot expect a
stranger to react in the same way as if they had a clean slate.
A swastika on your hand will bar you from working at the
local gas station.....