florida bloodmobiles
i'll teach you to turn away.
how about spore tests?" when you climb into the bloodmobile.
they ignored me & handed me a form to fill out. i asked again &
received a couple of obviously ignorant, indifferent, apathetic shrugs.
i proclaimed, "no proof of sterility? FUCK THIS," & got out of
there. didn't even warm the seat.
granted they sterilize everything at the hospitals & then send
the bloodmobiles out fully equipped, but NO ONE is sticking a needle in
me who doesn't have full knowledge of what an AUTOCLAVE is. i tracked
down someone semi-intelligent related to the drive & had a twenty minute
conversation with her about why no one is qualified to draw blood who
hasn't been at least BRIEFED in sterile practice. do you guys usually
just roll over & let someone draw blood because it's a drive, or do you
hold these people (including dentists) to the PROPER standards?
cripes. that experience skeeved me out for a good hour.
lish "is there any word that 'not' sounds
cr...@got.net better in front of than 'pregnant'?" -bh
40.1% / 30 RANA 125 / 68
Curt James
SNIP
> NO ONE is sticking a needle in me who doesn't
> have full knowledge of what an AUTOCLAVE is.
I've donated blood without asking about autoclaves
or spore tests.
Three gallons. Not dead yet.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
noot...@gmail.com
Curt James
> Curt James wrote:
>
> > Three gallons. Not dead yet.
> *** Hope springs eternal.
Speaking of clichés...
All in due time.
http://clichesite.com/
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Curt
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Kavin
"i'll teach you to turn away." <cr...@got.net> wrote
> do you guys usually
> just roll over & let someone draw blood because it's a drive, or do
> you
> hold these people (including dentists) to the PROPER standards?
I'm a regular blood donor (CMV negative, baby) as well as a regular
platelet donor. Most of the people you meet at blood drives and even
at the blood centers themselves are probably, at best, technicians.
Trained phlebotomists, maybe. I've explained to one why the blood
dripped on the floor, 15 feet of floor, was scaring me. One nice
young lady sprayed blood from the finger stick across my paperwork.
She finally placed the paperwork in a baggy, after it had been in the
red folder. She explained it was a biohazard. "As is the folder it
was in," I said. It tool her a minute to decide the folder had to be
disposed of.
Yes, they should know about autoclaving. But they will never see one
where they work, I suspect.
I'm more worried when they start marking my arm with the marker to
pinpoint the vein location.
Kavin
Ray Pearson
"Kavin" <kavin...@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:SMcDd.38556$Gj2....@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
yeah baby!! me too. 4 or 5 gallons now, but sadly no more!! I made the
mistake last time , during general bullshit talk that I was a big time
alcoholic years ago, he asked and I allowed as how I occasionally got a
little yellow( 1/2 gallon of vodka a day will have that effect) and NOW
I AM ON THE DECLINE list!!!! that was 24 fucking years ago and was a
purely mechanical reaction not disease. FUCKERS!!
Ray
Kavin
"Kavin" <kavin...@netscape.net> wrote > "i'll teach you to turn
away." <cr...@got.net> wrote
>
> It tool her a minute
oops,
took her a minute.
Kavin
bkr
Why did you even bother? The Red Cross has (unless it's changed
recently) a policy of not accepting blood from anyone who's gotten
pierced or a tattoo within the last year. I can't say for sure ws
running the blood drive you went to, but it's a pretty common practice.
In either case, I agree that they should at least have some concept of
an autoclave if they're drawing blood.
bkr
Curt James
> I AM ON THE DECLINE list!!!! that was 24 fucking
Twenty-four years ago someone placed you on a decline
list for what you believe to be erroneous reasons. Do
you believe they still have that on file? Have you
attempted to donate recently? Oh, say in the past decade.
Not trying to get your blood-thinner-panties in a
bunch, but I find it hard to believe that... never mind.
SOMEONE SAID NO. I MUST COMPLY.
"If it's a good idea, go ahead and do it. It is much
easier to apologize than it is to get permission."
Rear Admiral Grace Murray Hopper
--
Curt
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fr0glet
> Ray writ: SNIP
>
>>I AM ON THE DECLINE list!!!! that was 24 fucking
>>years ago and SNIP
>
>
> Twenty-four years ago someone placed you on a decline
24 years ago Ray turned yellow from drinking a half bottle of vodka a day.
Last time he tried to donate blood he told the blood drive employee
that story during bullshit-talk time.
Try reading for comprehension. It's fun.
"But don't worry. There are no stupid answers, just stupid people."
- Mr. Garrison
fr0glet
Curt James
> Try reading for comprehension. It's fun.
Hnh. Speaking of panties in a bunch.
> Last time he tried to donate blood he told the blood
> drive employee that story during bullshit-talk time.
It's NEVER bullshit-talk time when dealing with paper
pushers. A CPO asked, all casual, if I ever smoked
marijuana. Twenty-something stupidity found me offering
up a big fat yes. Fucker Connie Chunged me.
There's no decline list for Navy recruitment, but my
jacket included a drug waiver from that point forward.
That experience enlightened me on the validity of any
just-between-you-and-me ideas.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Ray Pearson
"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1105054614....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Ray writ: SNIP
> > I AM ON THE DECLINE list!!!! that was 24 fucking
> > years ago and SNIP
>
> Twenty-four years ago someone placed you on a decline
> list for what you believe to be erroneous reasons. Do
> you believe they still have that on file? Have you
> attempted to donate recently? Oh, say in the past decade.
>
> Not trying to get your blood-thinner-panties in a
> bunch, but I find it hard to believe that... never mind.
>
right , you do not understand, I am a cvm- O- 4 or 5 gallon donor.
Recently I told a vampire that 24+ years ago I was a little jaundiced
due to excessive drug and alcohol abuse. I was then AT THAT TIME placed
on a decline list. Please read for comprehension next time. What about
" 4 or 5 gallons now, but sadly no more!! I made the mistake last time
, during general bullshit talk that I was a big time" is unclear?
Ray
Curt James
SNIP
> I am a cvm- O- 4 or 5 gallon donor.
I'm B Positive. It's my blood type /and/ my philosophy
of life. :p
> Please read for comprehension next time.
SNIP
> What about "4 or 5 gallons now, but sadly no more!!
> I made the mistake last time, during general bullshit
> talk that I was a big time" is unclear?
Time.
You wrote:
"last time, during general bullshit talk that I
was a big time alcoholic years ago, he asked SNIP
and NOW I AM ON THE DECLINE list!!!! that was 24
fucking years ago and SNIP"
Perhaps I comprehend like you write.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
j4m4l_...@salmahayeksknockers.edu
> apparently you're not supposed to ask, "where's your autoclave?
> how about spore tests?" when you climb into the bloodmobile.
Why on earth would they autoclave 1-use needles?
--
.............................................................................
"Listen to those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who have found it."
Andre Gide
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Curt James
> i'll teach you to turn away. <cr...@got.net> wrote:
> > apparently you're not supposed to ask,
> > "where's your autoclave? how about spore tests?"
> > when you climb into the bloodmobile.
>
> Why on earth would they autoclave 1-use needles?
>
Maybe she also asked, "Do you launder your toilet tissue? How about
dental floss?" when she climbed in that bloodmobile.
That's still disrespectful of Salma Hayek's breats - vavaVOOM! - but
you pose an interesting question nonetheless.
One that perhaps someone with keener reading comprehension skills than
yours truly would be able to answer. ;-)
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Judith Cookson
> salmahayeksknockers wrote:
>
>>i'll teach you to turn away. <cr...@got.net> wrote:
>>
>>> apparently you're not supposed to ask,
>>>"where's your autoclave? how about spore tests?"
>>>when you climb into the bloodmobile.
>>
>>Why on earth would they autoclave 1-use needles?
>
> Maybe she also asked, "Do you launder your toilet tissue? How about
> dental floss?" when she climbed in that bloodmobile.
>
> That's still disrespectful of Salma Hayek's breats - vavaVOOM! - but
> you pose an interesting question nonetheless.
you're both SHITTING me, right?
you want to stick something in your VEIN that could have picked up
who-knows-what during the manufacture/transport process?
--
Judith Cookson
jcookson AT onastick.net
Judith Cookson
> i'll teach you to turn away. wrote:
>
>> apparently you're not supposed to ask, "where's your autoclave?
>> how about spore tests?" when you climb into the bloodmobile.
>>
> recently) a policy of not accepting blood from anyone who's gotten
> pierced or a tattoo within the last year. I can't say for sure ws
> running the blood drive you went to, but it's a pretty common practice.
maybe she hasn't gotten a piercing or tattoo in the last year? (i don't
know -- believe it or not i DONT follow lish's every move.)
*I* was going to ask why she bothered for an entirely different reason.
lish, have you gained weight or something? there's a 110lb minimum
requirement.
Nina Baltes
> you want to stick something in your VEIN that could have picked up
> who-knows-what during the manufacture/transport process?
Um, i don't know how it is in the states, but over here they use single-
use cannulas that come with a protective cover, in blister packages that
have been sterilized by irradiation.
Autoclaving these would be, well, paranoid. Not to mention "quite
silly".
Like these:
http://www.aerztebedarf.at/produkte/hospitalb/hospital4b.jpg
cannula, plastic cover, blister package.
However, even if the personnel doesn't know what an autoclave is, they
should be competent enough to tell you that they use single use sterile
materials.
Nina
--
C'est les microbes qui auront le dernier mot.
Louis Pasteur
http://www.chaotropic.net
Kavin
"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote
(concerning RP's post)
> You wrote:
> "last time, during general bullshit talk that I
> was a big time alcoholic years ago, he asked SNIP
> and NOW I AM ON THE DECLINE list!!!! that was 24
> fucking years ago and SNIP"
> Perhaps I comprehend like you write.
What was the last part you snipped? Let's refresh, shall we?
RP-- ". . . that was 24 fucking years ago and was a
purely mechanical reaction not disease."
That would mean the jaundice happened 24 years ago as a mechanical
reaction to his drinking.
But then, you know that. You're a teacher.
Try not to post after a night of drinking.
And a question for you. Why aren't you posting on the newsgroups
anymore? Are they too friendly for you? Or do you just need the
fractiousness of this group?
Kavin
Mike M
chaot...@gmx.de says...
> Judith Cookson wrote...
>
> > you want to stick something in your VEIN that could have picked up
> > who-knows-what during the manufacture/transport process?
>
> Um, i don't know how it is in the states, but over here they use single-
> use cannulas that come with a protective cover, in blister packages that
> have been sterilized by irradiation.
>
They should make that information more readily available to donors and
staff though.
--
"Trust me, I do this all the time"
Mike M
Curt James
> Curt James wrote:
> > salmahayeksknockers wrote:
SNIP
> >>Why on earth would they autoclave 1-use needles?
> >
> > Maybe she also asked, "Do you
SNIP
> you're both SHITTING me, right?
Apparently (and appropriately) not.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> What was the last part you snipped? Let's refresh, shall we?
Yeah, let's. /Shall we?/
You must've missed that I actually truncated initially but also
included:
| that was 24 fucking years ago and SNIP"
> that was 24 fucking years ago and SNIP (again)
Hmmm. Look familiar?
> That would mean the jaundice happened 24 years
> ago as a mechanical reaction to his drinking.
>
> But then, you know that.
I know that now. I didn't when I responded. Go figger.
> You're a teacher.
Too true. And used to dealing with episodes of immature
behavior as a result. Much like yours. Still, good on you
for seemingly attempting to stick up for Mr. Pearson.
I doubt he needs your help, though.
> Try not to post after a night of drinking.
Right. I did have three Budweisers tonight. And a few games
of Galaga, scoring 100,000-plus on one. Most were 60,000
games with one *4800*. Ouch.
> And a question for you. Why aren't you posting on
> the newsgroups anymore? Are they too friendly for
> you? Or do you just need the fractiousness of this
> group?
No clue what you're talking about. Please don't explain.
I post to a buncha places. Here, r.m.h, Carl's VTwin BBS,
MMI forums, occasionally m.f.w and very rarely to u.p.b.
You suck as a terrier is my guess.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Judith Cookson
> Judith Cookson wrote:
>>Curt James wrote:
>>>salmahayeksknockers wrote:
>
> SNIP
>
>>>>Why on earth would they autoclave 1-use needles?
>>>
>>>Maybe she also asked, "Do you
>
> SNIP
>
>>you're both SHITTING me, right?
>
> Apparently (and appropriately) not.
eh.
Curt James
> eh.
Sidebar: Sooooomebody's got a crush on a sleeved
26-year-old rock-a-billy type! <3 Ah, young love.
(Bullshit meter: Uh, just wondering where he works.
BOOPBOOPBOOPBOOPBOOPBOOPBOOPBOOPBOOPBOOPBOOP!!!!!)
And meh.
This thread grows, but too little attention is being
paid to the crux of it. Well, so far as I'm concerned.
LISH.
And it's all about lish.
Yes, unlike Cookson, I follow lish's every move. Okay,
that's a lie but she is interesting. Still, she never
answered Salma's question:
"Why on earth would they autoclave 1-use needles?"
Perhaps they're in a killfile or lish has simply
decided to give j4m4l_$1xp4ck@ the ol' bloodmobile
attendant treatment.
|> apparently you're not supposed to ask,
|> "where's your autoclave? how about spore tests?"
|> when you climb into the bloodmobile.
|>
|> they ignored me &
They ignored her. (wipes tear)
But that's at least two chinks in her impressive
armor: 1) She *abhors* being corrected (okay, by
those she deems idiots - wondering if bloodmobile
attendants are now on that list).
Bet she didn't expect single-use cannulas that
come with a protective cover, in blister packages
that have been sterilized by irradiation and which
would be paranoid as well as quite silly to autoclave.
My hat's off to you, N.
And 2) she's not fond of being ignored.
Fantasy land:
"Here, fill out this form and shut the fuck up."
Sweet.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Judith Cookson
> Judith Cookson wrote:
>
>>eh.
>
> Sidebar: Sooooomebody's got a crush on a sleeved
> 26-year-old rock-a-billy type! <3 Ah, young love.
incorrect. somebody's got a crush on a totally blank 29-year-old
preppy-as-fux mathematician. i generally dislike the modified.
> But that's at least two chinks in her impressive
> armor: 1) She *abhors* being corrected (okay, by
> those she deems idiots - wondering if bloodmobile
> attendants are now on that list).
>
> Bet she didn't expect single-use cannulas that
> come with a protective cover, in blister packages
> that have been sterilized by irradiation and which
> would be paranoid as well as quite silly to autoclave.
maybe she no longer cares.
Curt James
> somebody's got a crush on a totally blank 29-year-old
> preppy-as-fux mathematician.
I'm truly happy for you. HONESTLY DAMN IT!
> maybe she no longer cares.
She cares. I have it on good authority that she is a very caring
person. But that's not what you meant. Re autoclaves
and bloodmobiles, my guess is that she did a "D'OH! Hadn't
thought of that." Obviously, I could be wrong.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Nina Baltes
> Bet she didn't expect single-use cannulas that
> come with a protective cover, in blister packages
> that have been sterilized by irradiation and which
> would be paranoid as well as quite silly to autoclave.
Neither would you have. Why *should* she have expected it?
If you had read carefully, you might have noticed that the actual
issue is that these people do not inform their clients properly,
it's not about the presence or absence of an autoclave.
> armor: 1) She *abhors* being corrected (okay, by
> those she deems idiots - wondering if bloodmobile
> attendants are now on that list).
They did not "correct" her, as she didn't make any false
statements. She asked questions which were not answered.
Those bloodmobile attendants *belong* on the stupid list, for
either not knowing their materials or for driving volunteers away
by being unwilling to explain their procedures.
What's your point in this thread? That someone who's concerned
about their health is acting stupid, simply because it never
occurred to *you* to make sure the people sticking needles in your
arms won't give you any diseases?
Curt James
> Curt James wrote:
>
> > Bet she didn't expect single-use cannulas that
> > come with a protective cover, in blister packages
> > that have been sterilized by irradiation and which
> > would be paranoid as well as quite silly to autoclave.
Hey, *you* wrote that. All I did was edit it slightly.
Even gave you credit after a fashion.
> Neither would you have.
You're right on that count. Especially since I wouldn't
have thought to even ask those questions. Unnecessary.
My assumption is that someone knows what they're doing.
Suppose it's just dumb luck that I'm still alive after
donating a few gallons without asking those so-called
pertinent questions.
> Why *should* she have expected it?
Why? DUH! Maybe because she was the one asking about
autoclaves and spore testing? What should be autoclaved?
What in the bloodmobile should be spore tested?
You informed and educated (or at least jogged my memory)
re single-use cannulas. Let's hear what you have to
offer on the other.
> If you had read carefully, you might have noticed that
> the actual issue is that these people do not inform their
> clients properly, it's not about the presence or absence
> of an autoclave.
I've been given a tidy amount of literature each and
every time I've donated blood. I'd say that I was informed
properly. AND I get orange juice and Oreos to boot.
Like I said, NOT DEAD YET.
> They did not "correct" her,
Nah. They ignored her. HAW!
> as she didn't make any false statements.
No. She walked out.
Take your ball, er, blood and go home!
> She asked questions which were not answered.
Ask once. Wait, twice. Give up. Gotcha.
> Those bloodmobile attendants *belong* on the
> stupid list, for either not knowing their
> materials or for driving volunteers away
> by being unwilling to explain their procedures.
Maybe you missed the part where she didn't give
them a chance to explain their procedures.
And, no, I don't call interpreting *shrugs* as
ignorant, indifferent and apathetic as a chance
to explain. She said she offered a hearty FUCK
THIS and got out of there.
And you've said it would be silly to expect that
a single-use cannula requires extra proof of
sterility. Or is that an inaccurate interpretation
of what you've stated?
> What's your point in this thread?
That she's perhaps phobic as well as being a pill.
And I'm only thinking of that now after rereading
her post. She mentioned dentists along with the
bloodmobile personnel. That word - dentist - jogged
my memory, too.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.arts.bodyart/msg/3e033d2284620f45
A disagreement with a dental assistant is a traumatic event?
Jeebus.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
fr0glet
> incorrect. somebody's got a crush on a totally blank 29-year-old
> preppy-as-fux mathematician.
Jesus, STILL? :P
> i generally dislike the modified.
He's modified. CONFESS.
fr0glet
Judith Cookson
> Judith Cookson wrote:
>
>> incorrect. somebody's got a crush on a totally blank 29-year-old
>> preppy-as-fux mathematician.
>
> Jesus, STILL? :P
I AM GETTING OVER IT.
>> i generally dislike the modified.
>
> He's modified. CONFESS.
hm. well, if you count the surgery that made it so he DOESNT CLOSE HIS
EYES, sure. hehehe.
i'll teach you to turn away.
JC> bkr wrote:
>> Why did you even bother? The Red Cross has (unless it's changed
>> recently) a policy of not accepting blood from anyone who's gotten
>> pierced or a tattoo within the last year. I can't say for sure ws
yep. & so long as i see the spore tests from the shops i visit &
know i'm not exposing myself to a risk, especially not one greater than
those to which a non-tattooed & non-pierced person is exposed, i will
continue to respond in the negative to that question.
don't argue this with me. i'm not interested. we've been over it
before on this newsgroup.
JC> *I* was going to ask why she bothered for an entirely different reason.
JC> lish, have you gained weight or something? there's a 110lb minimum
JC> requirement.
it's 100 in florida. which i also don't reach, but i know i'm
able to safely give a pint, doctor cleared. whether or not they're able
to take it is another matter.
lish "i'm sorry for crushing
cr...@got.net your frilly pink eggshell of a psyche." -mc
Curt James
> JC> bkr wrote:
> >> <snip>Red Cross has <snip>policy of not accepting
> >> blood from anyone who's gotten pierced or a tattoo
>
> yep. & so long as i see the spore tests from
> the shops i visit & know i'm not exposing myself to
> a risk, especially not one greater than those to
> which a non-tattooed & non-pierced person is exposed,
> i will continue to respond in the negative to that
> question.
LIAR!
> don't argue this with me.
I won't argue. Because there is no argument. She's a LIAR!
heh
But, hey, I'm all about the shady. Apparently, so is she. And this
behavior is totally shady, sketchy and in defiance of the rules. Bravo.
The question asked is not whether a donor believes themself to
have been exposed to risk greater than those to which a
non-tattooed and non-pierced person is exposed. The question
is has the donor been pierced or tattooed within the last twelve
months.
Yes or no. No question of degree there. It's not an essay question.
Place the check in the appropriate box. Answer the question directly
and truthfully when asked by the healthcare professional.
I wonder what other justifications she's made while answering the
questions offered. Withholding the truth because she /knows/ what's
appropriate, safe and allowable. Sweet.
> i'm not interested. we've been over it before on this
> newsgroup.
Good on you, kid. Rules suck, right?
"If it's a good idea, go ahead and do it. It's much easier to apologize
than it is to get permission."
Rear Admiral Grace Murray Hopper
Some say the term bug was invented by Hopper, one of the pioneers of
computing.
Reportedly someone on Hopper's staff removed a moth from a
malfunctioning computer thus introducing a new term into computing
jargon: debugging a machine.
Others say that the term bug had been used by Edison to refer to a flaw
in a system.
Regardless, Hopper was kick and ass! Like lish, I'm sure that Hopper
wouldn't've allowed some simple yes or no question to deny her
something she deemed acceptable, appropriate and a good idea.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Nina Baltes
> Hey, *you* wrote that.
Rest assured that my memory is much better than yours.
> Especially since I wouldn't
> have thought to even ask those questions. Unnecessary.
You'd have have a minimum of medical knowledge to be able to judge
what's necessary and what's not. Since you obviously did not know
they're using single-use cannulas, your not asking is not a matter
of informed judgment, but of carelessness and/or stupidity. So you
might want to stop boasting about it.
> Suppose it's just dumb luck that I'm still alive
For the world, yes. In addition, it's a result of somewhere in
history, somebody asking himself if may not be a good idea to clean
up between patients. Not one of your ancestors obviously; look up
"Semmelweis".
> > Why *should* she have expected it?
>
> Why? DUH! Maybe because she was the one asking about
> autoclaves and spore testing? What should be autoclaved?
Any material that comes in contact with a client and is reused. If
there are no such materials, it does not take long to say so, does
it?
> What in the bloodmobile should be spore tested?
You don't even know what a spore test is, do you?
> > They did not "correct" her,
> No. She walked out.
> Ask once. Wait, twice. Give up. Gotcha.
It's not like I actually expect you'll ever be able to read for
comprehension.
> And, no, I don't call interpreting *shrugs* as
> ignorant, indifferent and apathetic as a chance
> to explain.
And why not? You think the questions deserved no answer?
Or is it just that the concept of a short clear answer is a foreign
concept to you, judging from the amount of useless drivel in your
posts?
> And you've said it would be silly to expect that
> a single-use cannula requires extra proof of
> sterility. Or is that an inaccurate interpretation
> of what you've stated?
Did they tell her they use single use supplies? For all she knew,
they could be using something like the needleblades used for
piercing, which *do not* come packaged this way.
The staff should be prepared for questions about their procedures,
and they should be able and willing to explain. Do you disagree
with that?
If you want to be an asshole about things, at least pick some where
your "arguments" stand a chance.
intergalactic snitty princess
wrote:
> at least pick some where
>your "arguments" stand a chance.
Fortunately, this isn't about having a "winning" debate or argument.
The notion of an argument having debatable merit only matters if your
goal is to have debate; if your goal is simply to get someone to
respond to your posts regardless to the argumentative quality (or in
spite of or intellectual merit) then a valid argument isn't measured
in debatability, but rather, responses to your argument.
It's a well worn path and a game not without precident around here,
either. Posting simply to get a rise out of someone else and/or
because they found it entertaining to coerce others to navigate their
obstacle course? Even people as "nice" or "likable" as Saram and Angie
have done it....and who can forget yytrx? The biggest difference is
whether or not you find the particular troll funny. Someone
somewhere might find Curt to be the funniest thing since ever. Even if
that someone happens to be Curt and all the laughter is his, then even
better for him.
Sad
and yet, true.
~c.
Curt James
> Rest assured that my memory is much better than yours.
How's that feel? And how can you be sure?
> You'd have have a minimum of medical knowledge
heh
Well, I /have have/ a minimum of common sense and, yeah, some of that
medical knowledge at least so far as experiencing having donated blood
repeatedly.
> to be able to judge what's necessary and what's not.
People judge all the time. Knowledge, unfortunately, is seldom
considered when they make their judgments.
> Since you obviously did not know they're using single-use
> cannulas, your not asking is not a matter of informed
> judgment, but of carelessness and/or stupidity. So you might
> want to stop boasting about it.
While you comment on reading for comprehension, you misinterpret my
hypothetical actions as boasting. Given the multiple choice question:
What do we pierce you with here at the Central Pennsylvania Blood Bank?
a) Something pointy we found up under the rug, yo.
b) Whatever's sticking out of that junkie's arm.
c) Reusable needles
d) Single-use, presterilized disposable needles
I think I'd choose d, but you can suppose all you'd like.
> > Suppose it's just dumb luck that I'm still alive
>
> For the world, yes.
HAR!
> In addition, it's a result of somewhere in history, somebody
> asking himself if may not be a good idea to clean up between
> patients. Not one of your ancestors obviously;
Perhaps you're right. No one in my family tree from Tabán, Buda or
Pest. My grandmother was a nurse, however, as is my aunt and her
sister. Gramma's maiden name was Donmoyer and she ran a tight and very
clean ship.
> look up "Semmelweis".
I already have.
Salma did jog my memory about single-use needles (elsewhere in this
thread), but it's something I'm familiar with. Ms. Memory (that'd be
you) remembers my claim of three gallons being donated by Mr.
Semmelweis (that'd be me), yes? And do call me Ignaz.
> > SNIP What should be autoclaved?
>
> Any material that comes in contact with a client and is
> reused. If there are no such materials, it does not take long
> to say so, does it?
Considering Ms. Personality's reaction to the bloodmobile personnel, I
doubt we'll ever know what really took place.
She's stated that she falsifies her screening paperwork. But don't have
that argument. She doesn't want to hear it.
Perhaps she'll hear this:
Each donor should accept their responsibility and truthfully report any
chance of being infected to the examining doctor.
That's pretty clear, isn't it?
Her statement re being tattooed or pierced:
"i'm not exposing myself to a risk, especially not one greater than
those to which a non-tattooed & non-pierced person is exposed, i will
continue to respond in the negative to that question."
Simply. Not. Good. Enough! There is a 12-month deferall which she
refuses to recognize.
> > What in the bloodmobile should be spore tested?
>
> You don't even know what a spore test is, do you?
I do now. Thanks to this thread. I posted this previously:
http://www.spore-testing.com/ So, yes, I have an idea what a spore test
is as well as its purpose. Isn't RAB wonderful?
And this one has some truly cool information which may be of interest
to all the autoclave fans out there.
http://www.brooks.af.mil/dis/icguidelines/definitions.htm
They list various types of autoclaves in addition to other definitions.
Don't look for spore testing. Instead see Biological Spore Monitor.
> It's not like I actually expect you'll ever be able to read
> for comprehension.
I worked as a proofreader years ago whose mission statement was
something like "To Meet And Exceed Customer Expectations" but, yeah,
proofreaders typically don't read for comprehension. I do a'ight,
though. :-p
> > And, no, I don't call interpreting *shrugs* as ignorant,
> > indifferent and apathetic as a chance to explain.
>
> And why not? You think the questions deserved no answer?
All questions deserve an answer, yet I suspect she gave them attitude
and didn't allow for a normal conversation. That suspicion is borne out
by her self-proclaimed FUCK THIS reaction.
Not to mention (Oh, wait. I'm mentioning it. In fact, I'm drilling it.)
the fact that she's not forthcoming in general during her attempts at
blood donation. I can only hope that she walks away prior to donating
on any consequent visits.
> Or is it just that the concept of a short clear answer is a
> foreign concept to you, judging from the amount of useless
> drivel in your posts?
Define drivel. Rhetorical.
> Did they tell her they use single use supplies?
Did they tell her they do NOT use single-use supplies? I wasn't there.
I don't know. You trust her. You believe her. Cool. I'm not sure that I
do.
> For all she knew, they could be using something like the
> needleblades used for piercing,
Right. You believe that. Uh huh.
> which *do not* come packaged this way.
I like how they package milk in tiny cartons. There's been some talk of
them changing the packaging and that makes me sad.
Are you still reading? Good.
> The staff should be prepared for questions about their
> procedures, and they should be able and willing to explain.
I agree.
> Do you disagree with that?
No.
That doesn't change my impression that she can indeed be a pill. I
would love to have been there.
Her: "where's your autoclave? how about spore tests?"
Them: "When did you get that tattoo on your head? Where's THEIR
autoclave? How about THEIR spore tests? Oh, wait! Doesn't matter. See
you after the year's up. Maybe. Since you're inclined to circumvent
donor selection procedures which are essential to the safety of our
patients, perhaps you can find the door on your own. Don't let it hit
you on your skinny ass on the way out. 'FUCK THIS!' is right, dear
girl. Buh bye."
> If you want to be an asshole about things, at least pick some
> where your "arguments" stand a chance.
Really? Hold that thought.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Nina Baltes
> > > And, no, I don't call interpreting *shrugs* as ignorant,
> > > indifferent and apathetic as a chance to explain.
> >
> > And why not? You think the questions deserved no answer?
>
> All questions deserve an answer, yet I suspect she gave them attitude
> and didn't allow for a normal conversation.
I see. They were probably intimidated.
> That suspicion is borne out
> by her self-proclaimed FUCK THIS reaction.
I can hardly imagine *you*, in the same situation (assuming you
*did* care about them following proper procedures), just going
"okay then, you don't have to tell me anything, just take my
blood".
Then again, you might not have the guts to confront them, in real
life.
> > The staff should be prepared for questions about their
> > procedures, and they should be able and willing to explain.
>
> I agree.
>
> > Do you disagree with that?
>
> No.
See? That wasn't so hard, was it?
Curt James
> SNIP if your goal is simply to get someone to respond to
> your posts regardless to the argumentative quality (or in
> spite of or intellectual merit) then a valid argument isn't
> measured in debatability, but rather, responses to your
> argument.
So? What do I win? Oh, wait. It's not about winning. I agree. It's
about an exchange. And, yes, that exchange can be akin to a battle. A
game of chess. You can suck at chess but still enjoy playing the game.
Are YOU having fun?
> SNIP a game not without precident around here, either.
Let's play another game with a precedent around here:
FIND THE TYPO! I love that game.
> Posting simply to get a rise out of someone else and/or
> because they found it entertaining to coerce others to
> navigate their obstacle course? Even people as "nice"
> or "likable" as Saram and Angie have done it....and who
> can forget yytrx?
Yytrx? Uh, I can forget yytrx. Because, unless that's a name I've
missed, there was no yytrx. Yeah. FIND THE TYPO! (I really love that
game.) Here, I'll help. I'll spoon-feed you. (It's what what'shisname
sez I do best. Or at least a lot of.)
http://www.bmezine.com/news/people/A20429/yttrx/
And guess what's for sale? mutilation.net
"The quoted price will be at least $688 and may be over $10,000."
> The biggest difference is SNIP
> somewhere might find Curt to be the funniest thing since ever.
(raises hand, waves hand)
> Even if that someone happens to be Curt and all the laughter
> is his, then even better for him.
>
> Sad and yet, true.
You define your own truth, of course, but I'm funny as fuck.
AND modest!
Now Google: snitty, kavin, lish is golden
(I'll wait.)
Oh, what the hell, more spoon-feeding:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.arts.bodyart/msg/d182e2415cfe280a
What's at the other end of that link still applies.
I scribbled:
"lish is golden. Keith always has cool links and commentary along with
his pissing and bitchiness. But what have JSin, snitty, and Kavin
posted recently? I mean *besides* comments directed to me or about me?"
lish is golden. Of course, some would now call her a 24K Gold Liar
after reading her thoughts on what she deems appropriate so far as
truthfulness is concerned. But that's not my point this go 'round.
My point (as that's been questioned at least twice recently):
What has snitty posted recently? Besides comments directed to me or
about me? Hmm. I guess that's a question and not a point at all. Never
mind.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> Curt James wrote:
> > a normal conversation.
>
> I see. They were probably intimidated.
Intimidated by an empty chair, Nina? SHE LEFT! Did you read her post?
> > That suspicion is borne out by her self-proclaimed
> > FUCK THIS reaction.
>
> I can hardly imagine *you*, in the same situation
I wouldn't have been in that situation.
> (assuming you *did* care about them following proper
> procedures),
Proper procedures, eh? Would those include safety procedures in place
to protect sick patients? Cry me a river, Nina.
And where's the blood thinner thread choir? All slunk down in their
pew, I imagine.
> just going "okay then, you don't have to tell me anything,
> just take my blood".
Maybe the fact that I see them take the fingertip pin prick thingy (Go
Marcus Welby MD!) out of the package. Maybe the fact that I've seen no
headlines in the Sentinel reading AUTOCLAVE HORROR AT BLOODMOBILE!
Maybe because there's a level of trust developed over the years that
those healthcare professionals are indeed professional. Yes, maybe I
WOULD have said just that.
"Just take my blood and point me toward the O.J. and Oreos!"
She's stated that she circumvents safety procedures because, basically,
she knows better than whoever is running the bloodmobile. She considers
them, at best, semi-intelligent. Perhaps she should write a stern
letter.
> Then again, you might not have the guts
I imagine that I have the typical five or so feet of large intestine as
well as the 20-plus feet of small intestines.
Bless Google: "They are called large and small not because of their
length but because of their width and diameter."
> to confront them, in real life.
Oh, those guts. Doubt me all you'd like. You'd be wrong. I speak up IRL
as well as, obviously, online. I'm not a keyboard flexer, however. And
I'm not that way in person.
> > > The staff should be prepared for questions about their
> > > procedures, and they should be able and willing to explain.
> >
> > I agree.
> >
> > > Do you disagree with that?
> >
> > No.
>
> See? That wasn't so hard, was it?
Not at all.
Now, wrt falsifying safety surveys while attempting to donate blood or
answering no in response to being questioned whether you've been
tattooed or pierced in the past 12 months, what say ye? Good or bad?
Acceptable or unacceptable? Wise or unwise? Sweet or sour? Coke or
Pepsi?
Never mind. It's all drivel, right?
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Judith Cookson
> I worked as a proofreader years ago whose mission statement was
> something like "To Meet And Exceed Customer Expectations" but, yeah,
> proofreaders typically don't read for comprehension. I do a'ight,
> though. :-p
you're right, they don't. copyeditors do, though.
Curt James
I scribbled:
> > proofreaders typically don't read for comprehension.
>
> you're right, they don't.
Proofreaders - the ones that still exist - rarely read copy
word-for-word although some customers actually paid for
character-by-character proofing. Scanning made up the bulk of my day.
I'd read line endings for correct word division as well as making sure
that images and captions were included and placed correctly.
It was an enjoyable job. Prior to that, I was a journalist in the Navy
serving as my own writer, proofreader, copy editor and photographer.
Plus what seemed like a million collateral duties.
> copyeditors do, though.
Copy editors. :p
http://www.theslot.com/copyeditors.html
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Kavin
"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote
Each donor should accept their responsibility and truthfully report
any
chance of being infected to the examining doctor.
Tell me, Mr. 3 gallons, when was the last time a doctor examined you
at the Red Cross prior to giving blood?
Uh, huuuh.
Kavin
Kavin
"Nina Baltes" <chaot...@gmx.de> wrote
> Did they tell her they use single use supplies? For all she knew,
> they could be using something like the needleblades used for
> piercing, which *do not* come packaged this way.
Actually, the booklet you are given to read does, if I remember
correctly, make some mention about single use, sterile needles. I
give so often now I don't read the thing anymore.
But as I alluded earlier, the techs don't like to be questioned. At
least, a lot of them don't.
And I do ask questions. I know my hematocrit stays around 45, even
with giving blood and platelets. I can donate platelets up to 24
times this year. I should be concerned about scar tissue at the stick
sites. Etc., Etc.,
Kavin
Judith Cookson
i know what a proofreader is, curt. and i know what a copyeditor [sic]
is. and i know that you know that i know. so what's your point, exactly?
Mike M
jcoo...@honestdick.net says...
> Curt James wrote:
> > Judith Cookson wrote:
> > I scribbled:
> >
> >>>proofreaders typically don't read for comprehension.
> >>
> >>you're right, they don't.
> >
> > Proofreaders - the ones that still exist - rarely read copy
> > word-for-word although some customers actually paid for
> > character-by-character proofing. Scanning made up the bulk of my day.
> > I'd read line endings for correct word division as well as making sure
> > that images and captions were included and placed correctly.
> >
> > It was an enjoyable job. Prior to that, I was a journalist in the Navy
> > serving as my own writer, proofreader, copy editor and photographer.
> > Plus what seemed like a million collateral duties.
> >
> >>copyeditors do, though.
> >
> >
> > Copy editors. :p
> >
> > http://www.theslot.com/copyeditors.html
>
> i know what a proofreader is, curt. and i know what a copyeditor [sic]
>
>
keyboard clatter.
Curt James
> i know what a proofreader is, curt. and i know
> what a copyeditor [sic] is. and i know that you
> know that i know. so what's your point, exactly?
Bunch of point-seeking people following me of late.
Did I ask you what your point was? No. Why'd you
mention copy editors? Scratch that. I don't care.
You know that I know that you know? That's entertaining.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> jcoo...@honestdick.net <snip>
> JC> so what's your point, exactly?
> >
> keyboard clatter.
I really enjoyed your post in this thread Mike M, thank you for saying
so much.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> Tell me, Mr. 3 gallons, when was the last
> time a doctor examined you at the Red Cross
> prior to giving blood?
I don't give blood at the Red Cross.
http://www.cpbb.org/
> Uh, huuuh.
Uh huh!
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Curt James
> I know my hematocrit stays around 45, even with giving
> blood and platelets.
One time only, years ago (but not 24), a fingerstick showed that my
blood count was too low to donate.
Steak + broccoli = good.
> I can donate platelets up to 24 times this year.
Kudos. For some reason, I suspect I'm not on your Christmas card list.
Regardless, I admire you for donating platelets. That's something I've
never done.
Related to RABbits overseas:
Any blood donors questioned about Creutzfeld-Jacob Disease (vCJD)?
Scientists believe that vCJD is Mad Cow Disease that has somehow
transferred to humans, possibly through the food chain. According to
information at redcross.org:
"You are not eligible to donate if, since 1980, you:
Spent a total time of 3 months or more in any of these countries:
England, Scotland, SNIP
Spent a total time of 6 months or more in any combination of these
countries:
SNIP Belgium, Boznia/Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Channel Islands, SNIP
Denmark, England, Estonia, SNIP France, Germany,
SNIP Netherlands (Holland), Northern Ireland, Norway, Oman,
SNIP and Serbia)."
Jeebus. Banned! Despite the fact that they also say:
"There is no evidence that vCJD can be transmitted from donors to
patients through transfusion. However, nobody knows for certain that
this cannot happen, and animal studies indicate that it is
theoretically possible."
One Central Pennsylvania Blood Bank staff member told me that they're
perma-banned because they lived overseas while their father was
stationed there as a military member.
Note: My points for this post include a) Kavin is a wonderful person by
virtue of his altruistic contributions to his fellow man wrt blood
donation, etc. and b) Mad Cow Disease sucks.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
i'll teach you to turn away.
K> "Nina Baltes" <chaot...@gmx.de> wrote
>> Did they tell her they use single use supplies? For all she knew,
>> they could be using something like the needleblades used for
>> piercing, which *do not* come packaged this way.
K> correctly, make some mention about single use, sterile needles. I
K> give so often now I don't read the thing anymore.
i wasn't given anything to read. i was approached with a pen, a
sheet of blank lines to fill in with my info, & autoclave bags. remember,
kids, autoclave bags don't make a difference if the autoclave cycle they
went through didn't do its job.
lish "a sensuous kiss
cr...@got.net placed on apocalypse." -at
bkr
>>>Why did you even bother? The Red Cross has (unless it's changed
>>>recently) a policy of not accepting blood from anyone who's gotten
>>>pierced or a tattoo within the last year. I can't say for sure ws
>
>
> yep. & so long as i see the spore tests from the shops i visit &
> know i'm not exposing myself to a risk, especially not one greater than
> those to which a non-tattooed & non-pierced person is exposed, i will
> continue to respond in the negative to that question.
>
> don't argue this with me. i'm not interested. we've been over it
> before on this newsgroup.
Not interested in arguing it with you, just wasn't sure if my
information was still accurate. And I was curious how you got around
the question if they were still asking it.
bkr
fr0glet
> fr0glet wrote:
>> Judith Cookson wrote:
>>> i generally dislike the modified.
>>
>>
>> He's modified. CONFESS.
>
>
> hm. well, if you count the surgery that made it so he DOESNT CLOSE HIS
> EYES, sure. hehehe.
That's exactly what I was counting. BRrrrRrrr.
fr0glet
Judith Cookson
she already said she lies. there's nothing that prohibits HAVING
piercings and tattoos that are over a year old.
bkr
I understand that, I just was clarifying (not very well) that I wasn't
trying to argue but had previously wondered how people got around the
issue or if they just lied. I neglected to mention, because it seemed
obvious, that now I know how she does it--by lying. Easy enough
bkr
Judith Cookson
> Judith Cookson wrote:
>
>> she already said she lies. there's nothing that prohibits HAVING
>> piercings and tattoos that are over a year old.
>>
>>
> I understand that, I just was clarifying (not very well) that I wasn't
> trying to argue but had previously wondered how people got around the
> issue or if they just lied. I neglected to mention, because it seemed
> obvious, that now I know how she does it--by lying. Easy enough
last time i went to give blood, i had to deal with a red cross employee
in training. as she was interviewing me, her trainer observed. when she
got to the tattoo/piercing portion, i said that i had not had any work
in the last year.
"are you SURE?" she asked me suspisiously.
"yes," I said.
then she asked the trainer if she shouldn't make a note on the form
that I *have* tattoos.
the trainer looked at her like she was crazy. i looked at her like she
was crazy.
"no."
"are you SURE?"
*STABBY*
that'll teach me to have a tattoo on my goddamned forearm.
i'll teach you to turn away.
b> Judith Cookson wrote:
>> she already said she lies. there's nothing that prohibits HAVING
>> piercings and tattoos that are over a year old.
b> trying to argue but had previously wondered how people got around the
b> issue or if they just lied. I neglected to mention, because it seemed
b> obvious, that now I know how she does it--by lying. Easy enough
it's the same argument as this: if you tell someone you don't
want to hang out with them because you have other plans, & THEN you go
make other plans with someone, did you still lie to the first person?
if i know why they ask if you've had piercings or tattoos done
within a year, which i do, & i know to a medical certainty that i haven't
exposed myself to those things, which i do, then is it a lie to say i
haven't?
i don't agree with the question. it's judgemental & prejudical
for me. but whether or not you think i "lied" is a moot point anyhow,
since i haven't given blood in this state & am far under the weight
limit to give in other states.
lish "i left all my kinder parts
cr...@got.net rusting & peeling." -mm
Curt James
> if i know why they ask if you've had piercings
> or tattoos done within a year,
To protect sick patients.
> which i do, & i know to a medical certainty that i
> haven't exposed myself to those things, which i do,
> then is it a lie to say i haven't?
>
Yes.
> whether or not you think i "lied" is a moot point
> i don't agree with the question. it's judgemental
> & prejudical for me.
Which is just as moot.
But, hey, forthright and truthful are so passé.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Ivan
"To protect sick patients.
> which i do, & i know to a medical certainty that i
> haven't exposed myself to those things, which i do,
> then is it a lie to say i haven't?
>
Yes.
> whether or not you think i "lied" is a moot point
> i don't agree with the question. it's judgemental
> & prejudical for me.
Which is just as moot.
But, hey, forthright and truthful are so passé.
My only question would be, whose truth is she deviating from? Before you
answer, you would do well to ponder on the relativity of truth.
Ivan
Kavin
"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote
> I don't give blood at the Red Cross.
>
> http://www.cpbb.org/
From their website:
/2. You will be registered into the computer system and given a "mini
physical" by a technician. We will check and record your blood
pressure, pulse and temperature./
And the doctor is?
Kavin
Curt James
> And the doctor is?
In.
What's your point?
What's your point?
What's yo...
Damn. I keep forgetting. I'm not interested in your point.
Still, take your pick:
Doctor Atomic
Doctor Who
Doctor Zhivago
Doctor Dolittle
Doc Doom
Doc Savage
Dr. Gourmet
Dr. Fungus
the Dirt Doctor
the Critic Doctor
the Food Doctor
the Tree Doctor
the Chess Doctor
the Rug Doctor®
the Success Doctor™
The doctor... will see you now.
For those who selected Dr. Who:
http://koti.phnet.fi/lagopus/dwquiz.htm
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Kavin
"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote
>What's your point?
Just pointing out that you were WRONG.
Kavin
Curt James
> you
Who?
> were WRONG.
Me? Never. You must mean someone else.
Doctor Livingstone, I presume.
Or, perhaps...
Dr. Hook
Dr. Dre
Dr. J
Dr. Spock
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Dr. Rrrruuuuuth
Dr. Laura
Dr. Dobson
Dr. Phil
Dr. Strangelove
Dr. Pepper
Dr. Seuss
Doc Holliday
Doc Severinsen
CALLING DOCTOR LOOOOOOVE!!!!!
Stat! There's a patient here with their panties in a bunch.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Sunlight
> it's the same argument as this: if you tell someone you don't
> want to hang out with them because you have other plans, & THEN you go
> make other plans with someone, did you still lie to the first person?
You don't lie in that scenario. In the time taken between them asking and
you answering, you have already made plans to find something else to do.
Even if the prior engagement you have to dig up is having a bath and then
watching old episodes of MASH on cable.
--
vanity domain: www.mssunlight.co.uk
To reply replaces prunes with com
Curt James
> My only question
Your ONLY question! BAH! That's obscene.
> would be, whose truth is she deviating from?
In the context of this thread, I believe whose truth would be directly
related to anyone collecting blood from a donor after having asked them
something like, "Have you been pierced or tattooed in the past twelve
months?"
Any negative response from someone having been tattooed or pierced
within the previous twelve months would be a deviation from
questioner's truth or expectations of a forthright response.
> Before you answer,
Damn. TOO LATE!
> you would do well to ponder on the relativity of truth.
You would do well to ponder how f r e a k i n g WRONG you are in this
specific instance IF you believe suchasaidperson did suchasaidthang and
suchasaid person had NOT deviated from the definition of truth as
presented above.
Thankfully, I have never required a blood transfusion. That and - if I
were to require blood - B Pos people are notoriously truthful.
Scout's honor.
--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
Judith Cookson
>
> within a year, which i do, & i know to a medical certainty that i haven't
> exposed myself to those things, which i do, then is it a lie to say i
> haven't?
yes.
and i'd rather take blood from you than from some woman who's given it
up to 10 guys in the last year, unprotected, and yet is still OK to give
blood under red cross regs.
keep lying, lish.
bkr
> want to hang out with them because you have other plans, & THEN you go
> make other plans with someone, did you still lie to the first person?
>
> if i know why they ask if you've had piercings or tattoos done
> within a year, which i do, & i know to a medical certainty that i haven't
> exposed myself to those things, which i do, then is it a lie to say i
> haven't?
>
> i don't agree with the question. it's judgemental & prejudical
> for me. but whether or not you think i "lied" is a moot point anyhow,
> since i haven't given blood in this state & am far under the weight
> limit to give in other states.
>
> lish "i left all my kinder parts
> cr...@got.net rusting & peeling." -mm
> 40.1% / 30 RANA 125 / 68
>
It's just a holdover prejudice like you said. Lying, in my opinion,
isn't always a bad thing, so I was just wondering if people did that and
justified it by knowing they are safe. The answer is apparently yes.
bkr
Ivan
"Judith Cookson" <jcoo...@honestdick.net> wrote in message
news:stydnXBw2YV...@speakeasy.net...
lies
Ivan
Judith Cookson
> I agree, the question is unnecessary since they screen the blood anyway.
> It's just a holdover prejudice like you said.
TOTALLY untrue.
If they eliminate high-risk donors right off the bat, they don't have to
spend an extremely large amount of money to test blood that is going to
be unusable. *You* may be giving the blood for free, but the
phlebotomists, transport people, lab techs, distribution, and storage
people all have to be paid. Not to mention the cost in materials, rent, etc.
Next time you need a blood transfusion, check out the line-item cost for
a pint on your hospital bill. It's not cheap.
It's really a simple cost/benefit analysis problem.
> Lying, in my opinion,
> isn't always a bad thing, so I was just wondering if people did that and
> justified it by knowing they are safe. The answer is apparently yes.
This, on the other hand, is true.
Tom Digby
> I agree, the question is unnecessary since they screen the blood anyway.
As an engineer, I'm aware that tests of almost any kind can fail. Now
and then some bad blood will slip through, even if it doesn't happen
often. So the question, in my opinion, is a sort of belt-and-suspenders
safety thing.
I don't know how much bad blood the question stops from slipping through
the tests. Has this been researched?
Someone else mentioned the cost of the tests. Is this significant?
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Eric S.
>>would be, whose truth is she deviating from?
>
>
> In the context of this thread, I believe whose truth would be directly
> related to anyone collecting blood from a donor after having asked them
> something like, "Have you been pierced or tattooed in the past twelve
> months?"
>
> Any negative response from someone having been tattooed or pierced
> within the previous twelve months would be a deviation from
> questioner's truth or expectations of a forthright response.
Oh, shut the fuck up. My wife gave blood after a 30 days wait after
getting a tattoo because in Rhode Island they only required 30 days if
getting a tatto in a Rhode Island licensed shop...because of the strict
licensing requirements. So if they are making exceptions for a whole
state based on requirements even though some of those shops ar fucking
DIRTY, I am sure lish's requirements are more than the state's. How do
I come to that conclusion? BECAUSE I AM LICENSED IN THE STATE AND I
DOUBT EVEN I AM CLEAN ENOUGH TO TOUCH lish.
So in conclusion, Curt, you are a fucking retard. Oh, and in case I
didn't mention in, no one likes you.
Anyways...Regulations, rules, requirements, etc. change from state to
state. How come I have to sterilize my equipment every 30 days in RI,
but sterilized equipment in Mass lasts for 90 days? Does it magically
last longer when I go over the border? No...It's all politices. Look
at the big picture you stupid motherfucker. Anyways...I'm drunk and you
annoy me.
-- Eric S.
Curt James
> Curt James wrote:
> > "Have you been pierced or tattooed in the past twelve
> > months?"
> Oh, shut the fuck up.
Boris Badenov: Aw, shup up your mouth!
> My wife gave blood after a 30 days wait after
> getting a tattoo because in Rhode Island they only
> required 30 days if getting a tatto
Tatto, huh? You really ARE drunk (I read ahead), aren't you?
> in a Rhode Island licensed shop...
Let me consult my map. Noooo. No, Florida is still not Rhode Island.
Sorry. And this thread relates to FL and the questions that a certain
Floridian would be held accountable to answer truthfully.
> So in conclusion,
Speaking of conclusions, did I draw any? I believe I stated facts. If
she answers no to the question then she is a liar in that instance.
Hey, I'm all about the pragmatic and often admire those who do what
makes sense to them versus what has been deemed law. That doesn't make
it right, however.
> Curt, you are a fucking retard.
Right. I finally picked up Daniel Keyes' Flowers for Algernon at the
public library a few days ago.
"I didn't know what to say. To hear him admit that both of them were
ignorant of whole areas in their own fields was terrifying."
I love that book.
> Oh, and in case I didn't mention in, no one likes you.
Thank you for confirming my suspicions. May I have a copy of your
survey results for my scrapbook?
> No...It's all politices.
Politices, police, politics, poultices, poltergeists... they're all
very tricky. Beware!
> Look at the big picture you stupid motherfucker.
> Anyways...I'm drunk and you annoy me.
I'd say. Enjoy your hangover, big guy.
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i'll teach you to turn away.
ES> DIRTY, I am sure lish's requirements are more than the state's. How do
ES> I come to that conclusion? BECAUSE I AM LICENSED IN THE STATE AND I
ES> DOUBT EVEN I AM CLEAN ENOUGH TO TOUCH lish.
you're clean enough, eric. you're just not thin enough!
haha ok, that wasn't true*, but it sure was fun to say.
(* by which i mean to say neither part was true. :D )
lish "broken hearts
cr...@got.net want broken necks." -mm
Kavin
"Curt James" <curt...@gmail.com> wrote
> this thread relates to FL and the questions that a certain
> Floridian would be held accountable to answer truthfully.
However, your responses are based on your giving blood where?
Do we now get to discredit all your responses because you don't give
blood in Florida?
Give it a rest.
Kavin
Curt James
> However, your responses are based on your giving blood
> where?
My responses are not based on giving blood anywhere. My responses are
based on statements offered by the participants in this thread.
She stated that she answers or will continue to answer in the negative
to questions not based on their truthfulness but rather on the idea
that she knows better than anyone in authority in those situations.
Bully for her. I am stating - based on what she's presented - that
she's a liar wrt to such a scenario.
> Do we now get to discredit all your responses because
> you don't give blood in Florida?
We, eh? You discredit whatever you'd like, Kavin.
You're wrong.
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Eric S.
>
> haha ok, that wasn't true*, but it sure was fun to say.
>
> (* by which i mean to say neither part was true. :D )
I'm not even sure what you mean by all that and I'm even completely
sober right now. :) Although, I do enjoy Curt bashing a little when I
am drunk...oh wait...I enjoy that sober too.
-- Eric S.
Curt James
> i'll teach you to turn away. wrote:
> > you're clean enough, eric. you're just not
> > thin enough!
> >
> > haha ok, that wasn't true*, but it sure was
> > fun to say.
> >
> > (* by which i mean to say neither part was
> > true. :D )
>
> I'm not even sure what you mean by all that
I find that hard to believe. Google group RAB search
string _lish, fat_ and you're right in the middle of
a thread re gastro surgery and loose skin.
Fwiw, she was complimenting you in her own inimitable way.
> and I'm even completely sober right now. :)
How can you be sure?
> Although, I do enjoy Curt bashing a little when I
> am drunk...oh wait...I enjoy that sober too.
That's...nice...Eric.
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bkr
If they are trying to eliminate high risk and not maintain prejudice
then they, in my opinion, should change the questions to reflect single
use needles, or something like that.
You are of course correct about the cost involved, but the question
still smacks of prejudice. As with everything else, it can be done
better and it's a lot easier to say how to fix something than to
actually take the effort to fix it, which I'm not doing so I shouldn't
complain.
bkr
Judith Cookson
> She stated that she answers or will continue to answer in the negative
> to questions not based on their truthfulness but rather on the idea
> that she knows better than anyone in authority in those situations.
> Bully for her. I am stating - based on what she's presented - that
> she's a liar wrt to such a scenario.
we've clearly established that she lies about this. i'm wondering why
you're reiterating.
are you making a statement that she lies *and you disapprove*? is there
some sort of moral judgment that you're making?
or are you just stating it to state it?
Curt James
> Curt James wrote:
> > she's a liar
>
> we've clearly established that she lies about
> this. i'm wondering why you're reiterating.
>
> are you making a statement that she lies *and
> you disapprove*?
Answered elsewhere in this thread.
> is there some sort of moral judgment that
> you're making?
Again, read the thread in its entirety.
Because, hey, I wouldn't want to reiterate.
> or are you just stating it to state it?
No.
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Judith Cookson
> Because, hey, I wouldn't want to reiterate.
god you're useless.
Curt James
> god you're useless.
a) Is that any way to talk to god?
b) I love you, too, Judy.
c) So I take it you won't be needing any more valet service in and
around Michigan and its environs? *sigh* How soon they forget.
d) uh, other.
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Judith Cookson
> Judith Cookson wrote:
>
>
>>god you're useless.
>
>
> a) Is that any way to talk to god?
> b) I love you, too, Judy.
> c) So I take it you won't be needing any more valet service in and
> around Michigan and its environs? *sigh* How soon they forget.
> d) uh, other.
a) i don't think god cares
b) liar
c) i didn't "need" it then, i don't "need" now, and i won't "need" it in
the future. but i'll tell you, i'm not the kind of person to pay extra
for a cab just because i refuse to share a car with someone i'm not all
buddy-buddy with, but who happens to be going to the airport at the
exact same time i am. (c.f. lish & her keyring)
d) uh, whatever?
Curt James
> >>god you're useless.
> Curt James wrote:
> > a) Is that any way to talk to god?
> > b) I love you, too, Judy.
> > c) So I take it you won't be needing any more valet service in and
> > around Michigan and its environs? *sigh* How soon they forget.
> > d) uh, other.
>
> a) i don't think god cares
Oh, I don't know about that. If you believe what many people have read,
I'd say that god cares. In all scenarios. If you believe. Then again, I
believe any omnipotent presence would have an incredible sense of humor
and would probably be quick to say, "Fuck that. I don't care. I'm
omnipotent. That's insignificant. And, yeah, it's all good."
> b) liar
How so? I llluuuuurve you. You're smart. You're bitter. You're
sarcastic. You've got great skin and hair. You've got some image
issues. You have some very cool tattoo work. You have dark eyes. What's
not to love? It's all relative, of course. I certainly don't hate you.
And I'm absolutely not indifferent.
> c) i didn't "need" it then, i don't "need" now, and i won't "need" it
in
> the future. but i'll tell you, i'm not the kind of person to pay
extra
> for a cab just because i refuse to share a car with someone i'm not
all
> buddy-buddy with, but who happens to be going to the airport at the
> exact same time i am.
Then substitute appreciate for need. Or not, of course. Either way, is
that to be considered useless? Perhaps.
And it wasn't at the exact same time. :p
> d) uh, whatever?
Cool.
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Judith Cookson
> Oh, I don't know about that. If you believe what many people have read,
> I'd say that god cares. In all scenarios. If you believe. Then again, I
> believe any omnipotent presence would have an incredible sense of humor
> and would probably be quick to say, "Fuck that. I don't care. I'm
> omnipotent. That's insignificant. And, yeah, it's all good."
i dont think that MY god cares.
> How so? I llluuuuurve you. You're smart. You're bitter. You're
> sarcastic. You've got great skin and hair. You've got some image
> issues. You have some very cool tattoo work. You have dark eyes. What's
> not to love? It's all relative, of course. I certainly don't hate you.
> And I'm absolutely not indifferent.
ew.
(image issues? don't go there, curt.)
> Then substitute appreciate for need. Or not, of course. Either way, is
> that to be considered useless? Perhaps.
that's totally different.
Curt James
> i dont think that MY god cares.
I really enjoyed your post in this thread Judith, thank you for saying
so much.
> ew.
You.
> (image issues? don't go there, curt.)
TOO LATE!
Or as Rockgor might say:
HEAL AND THEN TRY AGAIN. (GET IT ON VIDEO IF YOU CAN.) GREAT TO WATCH
LATER AND JACK OF TO.
> that's totally different.
What?
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Judith Cookson
> Judith Cookson wrote:
>
>
>
> TOO LATE!
asshole.
Curt James
> asshole.
ew.
Yes, and - I've been told - contrarian at that.
Whatever. YOU yanked MY chain.
Reschmiterate. So, don't hate... CONVERSATE!
(with someone else)
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Judith Cookson
> Judith Cookson wrote:
>
>>asshole.
>
> ew.
>
> Yes, and - I've been told - contrarian at that.
>
> Whatever. YOU yanked MY chain.
you're seriously going to pull the "she started it" schtick? how 5 years
old of you.
> Reschmiterate. So, don't hate... CONVERSATE!
> (with someone else)
at least i didn't:
1. behave apallingly despite near-begging that i cut it the fuck out
2. get some inkling of how much a dickbag i had been
3. eliminate all evidence of my asshattery from all possible online
records as if that would make it like it never happend
4. half-ass apologize
5. dredge it up a year later
you're a real piece of work.
Curt James
> >>asshole.
> Curt James wrote:
> >
> > YOU yanked MY chain.
>
> you're seriously going to pull the "she started it"
> schtick?
And the cliché schtick as well:
If the shoe fits, wear it.
> at least i didn't:
>
> 1. behave apallingly despite near-begging that i cut it the fuck out
Near begging? You made a comment in an entry that had scrolled off. I
replied to a consequent entry without ever having seen your
near-begging fit. And I said as much waaaay back when, iirc. (And I
do.)
> 2. get some inkling of how much a dickbag i had been
So you're admitting that YOU didn't get an inkling of how much a
dickbag you had been? That's obvious.
> 3. eliminate all evidence of my asshattery from all
> possible online records as if that would make it like
> it never happend
After seeing what a hissy you'd worked yourself into, I preferred to
divorce myself from you entirely. And I've had no problem doing just
that. You, on the other hand...
> 4. half-ass apologize
Perception. In retrospect, I don't believe you deserve a sixteenth-ass
apology. So there's that.
> 5. dredge it up a year later
Dredge, eh? I made an, apparently, factual statement: You have image
issues.
> how 5 years old of you.
Let's dredge some more. A five-year-old would have the sense to offer
up some gas money for a trip from Breezewood to Detroit. Especially if
that child had been bragging about making more salary-wise than their
two travel companions' incomes combined.
> you're a real piece of work.
Exactly what I thought.
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XXX
Judith Cookson
>>1. behave apallingly despite near-begging that i cut it the fuck out
>
> Near begging? You made a comment in an entry that had scrolled off. I
> replied to a consequent entry without ever having seen your
> near-begging fit. And I said as much waaaay back when, iirc. (And I
> do.)
Whatever, Curt. I said it many times, many ways. & the real truth is
that you should have realized before you even opened your mouth that you
were being inappropriate. I shouldn't have had to say anything in the
first place. That you *still* don't get it is totally ridiculous.
>>2. get some inkling of how much a dickbag i had been
>
> So you're admitting that YOU didn't get an inkling of how much a
> dickbag you had been? That's obvious.
By asking you to stop talking to me about a subject that I found rather
sensitive? Please.
>>3. eliminate all evidence of my asshattery from all
>>possible online records as if that would make it like
>>it never happend
>
> After seeing what a hissy you'd worked yourself into, I preferred to
> divorce myself from you entirely. And I've had no problem doing just
> that. You, on the other hand...
I, on the other hand, still call you on it when you're being a
shitstick? I guess it's a hobby.
>>4. half-ass apologize
>
> Perception. In retrospect, I don't believe you deserve a sixteenth-ass
> apology. So there's that.
If you really think that, you've got absolutely no sense of propriety.
>>5. dredge it up a year later
>
> Dredge, eh? I made an, apparently, factual statement: You have image
> issues.
So what?
I asked you to CUT IT OUT. In fact, I've asked you A LOT to CUT IT OUT.
Do I have to renew my request every year, like a magazine subscription?
Is there a reason you just had to list that fact among the reasons you
"lurrrrve" me even though I asked you to CUT IT THE FUCK OUT?
> Let's dredge some more. A five-year-old would have the sense to offer
> up some gas money for a trip from Breezewood to Detroit. Especially if
> that child had been bragging about making more salary-wise than their
> two travel companions' incomes combined.
I absolutely cannot believe that I didn't offer gas money. I always
offer gas money. And if for some idiotic reason I didn't (like perhaps I
was fucking ill), I didn't notice anyone asking. & if you're still
bunged up about $10, I'll write you a check. After all, I do make PILES
and PILES of money.
Your revisionism is astounding.
Done. So done.
Curt James
> In article SNIP
> curt...@gmail.com says...
>
> http://www.antiochforever.com/files/community/stfu/pope.jpg
Save Picture As... :-)
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Curt James
> Whatever, Curt. I said
Excuse your own behavior while MABFHFI out of someone else's. That's
cool.
> >>2. get some inkling of how much a dickb
> Curt James wrote:
> > So you're admitting that YOU didn't get
>
> By asking you to stop talking to me about a
> subject that I found rather sensitive?
You prefaced your original with something like At least *I* (as in you,
Judith Cookson) didn't...
As in "At least I didn't get some inkling..."
Like you said, whatever.
> > I preferred to divorce myself from you entirely.
> > And I've had no problem doing just that. You,
> > on the other hand...
>
> I, on the other hand, still call you on it when
> you're being a shitstick? I guess it's a hobby.
I call it overwrought.
> > don't believe you deserve a sixteenth-ass apology.
>
> If you really think that, you've got absolutely no
> sense of propriety.
P r o p r i e t y? Now there's a new word for RAB.
You have issues. Period.
And they apparently extend far beyond any issue or conversation that
may have passed between us via LJ or any other online community, Judith
Cookson.
I know at least one person who would probably say, "Let it go."
> Is there a reason you just had to list that fact among
> the reasons you "lurrrrve" me SNIP?
A like personality trait, of course.
> > gas money for a trip from Breezewood to Detroit.
> I absolutely cannot believe that I didn't offer gas
> money. I always offer gas money. And if for some
> idiotic reason I didn't (like perhaps I was fucking
> ill), I didn't notice anyone asking. & if you're
> still bunged up about $10, I'll write you a check.
Not necessary. Send a check to your favorite charity instead.
> After all, I do make PILES and PILES of money.
Spend one of those piles on more therapy.
It's never a bad thing.
> Your revisionism is astounding.
Most revisionism is.
> Done. So done.
And does that mean you'll never be shaking my cage again or just that
you're done with this post? Rhetorical.
Let me show you how it's done. So done. ;-)
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Keith Alexander®
wrote:
>Like you said, whatever.
*** I don't know how you live with yourself.
You are in such brutally deep denial that
if/when you come to your senses, you will
most likely become suicidal.
I wonder if there are any adults in your
life that know your true self.
Looking foreward to your useless and blah
blah blah response...
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Judith Cookson
> You have issues. Period.
>
> Spend one of those piles on more therapy.
>
> It's never a bad thing.
*falls over laughing*
Curt James
> Looking foreward to
I suspect your Spell Check is suicidal.
If not then IT is in denial or simply overwhelmed. Enjoy your weekend.
;-)
http://facweb.furman.edu/~pecoy/lrc/proof.htm
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Curt James
> *falls over laughing*
But I thought...
http://www.doyouremember.co.uk/memory.asp?ID=2149
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