offensive tattoos
Will Stevenson
i've been thinking about tattoos that we (as bodmodded people) might
find offensive
i'll say now that i've never seen any tats that i found offensive - but
plenty i've found in poor taste, or expressing sentiments i do not share
some of the designs i'm thinking about ...
*pictures of women with huge breasts
*nationalist designs ('scotland forever' etc)
*tribal designs taken from contempory cultues that are not your own
*violent military designs
i can imagine plenty of tats that would offend me - but haven't seen any
have you?
cheers
will
LAW LIB mark f falk
Will and y'all-
I'd add to your list of potentially offensive tattoos (I guess I'd
say these are poor taste/sentiments not shared - y'all do what you want,
and I can like it or not):
[1] Racist stuff - Nazi, Klan, W.A.R., etc, etc
[2] Genitalia - tattoo of spurting penis, dripping vagina, etc.
As always, your mileage may vary
Cheers,
Mark
: i've been thinking about tattoos that we (as bodmodded people) might
phe...@forest.drew.edu
In article <E1HC0...@cf.ac.uk>, steve...@cf.ac.uk (Will Stevenson) writes:
> i've been thinking about tattoos that we (as bodmodded people) might
> find offensive
>
> i'll say now that i've never seen any tats that i found offensive - but
> plenty i've found in poor taste, or expressing sentiments i do not share
>
> some of the designs i'm thinking about ...
>
> *pictures of women with huge breasts
> *nationalist designs ('scotland forever' etc)
> *tribal designs taken from contempory cultues that are not your own
> *violent military designs
>
> i can imagine plenty of tats that would offend me - but haven't seen any
>
> have you?
>
> cheers
>
> will
>
growing up in a punk/hardcore scene where tat's were common, i've seen a
few which i found quite offensive. they were mainly on skinheads, things
like: a 1/4 back coverage of hitler's portrait, many swastikas, dixie
flags(with racist slogans), white power insignia, ad nauseum...
still, i suppose it's their body to decorate as they wish... not that i
agree with their views, just their right to be ignorant and uninformed.
:peter:
abraxas
In article <57f08v$j...@news.duq.edu>, fa...@duq2.cc.duq.edu (LAW LIB mark f
falk) wrote:
> Will and y'all-
> I'd add to your list of potentially offensive tattoos (I guess I'd
> say these are poor taste/sentiments not shared - y'all do what you want,
> and I can like it or not):
>
> [1] Racist stuff - Nazi, Klan, W.A.R., etc, etc
> [2] Genitalia - tattoo of spurting penis, dripping vagina, etc.
>
> As always, your mileage may vary
>
The only thing I find even mildly annoying is a flash piece done on a whim...
All too many times I have seen drunken fraternity boyos stumbling out of
an establishment with their brand new daggers/devils/letters/etc...I
dunno, something about the whole thing irks me to no end...
NOT that I find anything offensive about flash, mind you....far from it.
I also find nothing offensive about tattoos done on a whim....but the
combination of the two with a heavy dose of alchohol (or other
intoxicants) annoys me.
Perhaps I feel this way because I spend alot of time and energy thinking
about my next pieces, planning, making sure that I REALLY want them....My
tats are precious to me...I cant imagine even being drunk whilst recieving
one...to me that would be desicration to the extreme....
But thats just me of course.....:)
-----yttrx
--
Theres a hole in the world like a great black pit and its filled with people who are filled with shit and the vermin of the world inhabit it and it goes by the name of chicago.....
Steve Beyer
>i've been thinking about tattoos that we (as bodmodded people) might
>find offensive
>
>i'll say now that i've never seen any tats that i found offensive - but
>plenty i've found in poor taste, or expressing sentiments i do not share
>
>some of the designs i'm thinking about ...
***
> *tribal designs taken from contempory cultues that are not your own
***
This one is problematic for me. My background (such as it is) is
Eastern European Jewish. Does that mean I am precluded from Celtic
knots? I happen to have a large more-or-less Southwestern USA tribal
design that is very meaningful to me personally. I have no attitude
other than respect for the culture(s) from which it came. Have I
done something wrong?
BTW, the term "culture" raises problems of its own. Could a Hopi wear
a Navajo design? Could a Tibetan wear a Chinese design? Could a
Litvak wear a Galitzianer design? (Heaven forbid!)
I guess what I mean is that, when you come right down to it, we are
all one culture. I would think that bodmod people, who assimilate
their passion from all cultures, would be most open to that idea.
Clearly a subject for debate . . .
--Steve
Diana L. Cascioli
>
>i can imagine plenty of tats that would offend me - but haven't seen any
>
>have you?
not really offend per se, but *annoy*, YES!
I hope I don't piss anyone here off, but I _detest!_ any tattoo of cartoon
characters and the like. One of my friends has a Tazmanian devil that he
got while in the Navy, but he doesn't flaunt it, so it's ok.
BUT
I used to work with this one woman who was always trying to show me her
tats (which were all bloody awlful). I guess she looked up to me :)
because my tattoos are neat designs and really well done. But she showed
off her tazmanian devil on her chest (popular guy, that taz), and later
she got R2-D2 tattooed, but I somehow avoided that disaster. :P
I just think there are so many things that are meaningful that could be
tattooed on a body besides a cartoon. I think they are usually really
cheezy and unoriginal.
My $.02
- Diana
-=-=-=-=-=-= Diana ^(raven)^ * http://www.geckoworld.com/~raven =-=-=-=-=-=-
Is there anything more beautiful than a beautiful, beautiful flamingo,
flying across in front of a beautiful sunset? And he's carrying a
beautiful rose in his beak, and also he's carrying a very beautiful
painting with his feet. And also, you're drunk. - Jack Handy
--
Gt
abraxas wrote:
>
> In article <57f08v$j...@news.duq.edu>, fa...@duq2.cc.duq.edu mark f
> falk) wrote:
>
> > Will and y'all-
> > I'd add to your list of potentially offensive tattoos (I guess I'd
> > say these are poor taste/sentiments not shared - y'all do what you want,
> > and I can like it or not):
> >
> > [1] Racist stuff - Nazi, Klan, W.A.R., etc, etc
> > [2] Genitalia - tattoo of spurting penis, dripping vagina, etc.
> >
>
> All too many times I have seen drunken fraternity boyos stumbling out of
> an establishment with their brand new daggers/devils/letters/etc...I
> dunno, something about the whole thing irks me to no end...
Well there are, IMNSHO, palin-old "get it outta my sight"
offensive tattoos, which, for me is most often limited to racist,
anti-semitic type o' stuff. Buddhist "swastikas" aren't in
that category.
The other type of "offensive" tattoo is the one cited
above, the flash pieces done on a whim (drunken
squids, frat-rats, et al). I call those my "ethically
offensive tattoos." I always feel compelled to find the
tat artist and lecture them (not that it would do
any good), not true, I usually want to throttle them.
I am similarly irked when I see art with names
of divorace-ables: girlfriends, boyfriends, wives,
husbands that are still alive. Just plain dumb
on the part of the client and ethically questionable
on the part of the "artist."
But hey, common sense frequently isn't and rent's gotta be
paid, right?
Gabe
"I am at two with nature" -woody allen
Stan
Steve Beyer wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:26:55 GMT, steve...@cf.ac.uk (Will
> Stevenson) wrote:
>
> >i've been thinking about tattoos that we (as bodmodded people) might
> >find offensive
> >
>
> Eastern European Jewish. Does that mean I am precluded from Celtic
This actually brings to mind one of my personal pet hates. As a person
of mixed race, what is 'my culture'? To white people, I'm Chinese, to
Chinese people, I'm white. I claim to be both, but neither side ever
seems completely comfortable with having me as a member of their group.
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stan Schwarz | "I just want to live like Yogi Bear
st...@bombay.gps.caltech.edu | He kicks ass on the average bear."
---------------------------------------------------- -Stukas Over Bedrock -----
abraxas
> I am similarly irked when I see art with names
> of divorace-ables: girlfriends, boyfriends, wives,
> husbands that are still alive. Just plain dumb
> on the part of the client and ethically questionable
> on the part of the "artist."
> But hey, common sense frequently isn't and rent's gotta be
> paid, right?
Right, tat artists have to eat AND pay the rent.
I dont fault the artist for doing yet another yosemite sam or taz
devil.....The dont tape the victim to the chair and force them to get
something annoying...
Besides, I see body art as an expression of what lies within.....And if
they happen to have yosemite sam within, well then what the hell....I just
wish they'd get it tattooed on their ass or something.....:P
-----yttrx
Gt
Steve Beyer wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:26:55 GMT, steve...@cf.ac.uk (Will
> Stevenson) wrote:
>
> >i've been thinking about tattoos that we (as bodmodded people) might
> >find offensive
> > *tribal designs taken from contempory cultues that are not your own
>
> This one is problematic for me. My background (such as it is) is
> Eastern European Jewish. Does that mean I am precluded from Celtic
> design that is very meaningful to me personally. I have no attitude
> other than respect for the culture(s) from which it came. Have I
> done something wrong?
There is some really wonderful non-figurative art work, similar
to Islamic and Chinese art that would do nicely for "tribal."
I think most of the current "tribal" we see is so
anchored in *this* late 20th century wester, american, yadda
yadda, culture that hey, why not.
> BTW, the term "culture" raises problems of its own. Could a Hopi wear
> a Navajo design? Could a Tibetan wear a Chinese design? Could a
> Litvak wear a Galitzianer design? (Heaven forbid!)
Oy, vey iz mir. Gottenyu. Go wash your mouth out.
(so says the grandchild of a Galitz-Litvak marriage)
On a more serious note, I try *not* to engage in that
kind of ethno-chauvanism. If you like it, and it's not sacred
(I wouldn't want a "shin" [hebrew letter] tattoed on me)
What I find irksome is when the person who has a tattoo
is ignorant of it's meaning, like a lot of the current
celtic and tribal stuff.
Gabe
Ambient Inc.
steve...@cf.ac.uk (Will Stevenson) wrote:
>i'll say now that i've never seen any tats that i found offensive - but
>plenty i've found in poor taste, or expressing sentiments i do not share
>some of the designs i'm thinking about ...
> *pictures of women with huge breasts
> *nationalist designs ('scotland forever' etc)
> *tribal designs taken from contempory cultues that are not your own
> *violent military designs
I guess you could include in the "nationalist" section white
power/black power/rainbw power... I *hate* those. I would love to
get a maple leaf tattooed somewhere pretty visible on me, but its been
appropriated by the neonazis, so I'm shying away from that one for
now.
And change the "pictures of women with huge breasts" to any anatomical
depiction, really: bleeding hearts, dripping genitals, etc...
I think that all of the above are in poor taste. Offensive?
Mutilated children, animals & babies... Subjugated/ objectified
women...
Denise Robinson, Ambient Inc.
No Flesh Shall be Spared
Friday thee 13th ov December, Ottawa
http://www.ambient.on.ca/
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <abraxas-2611...@news.wwa.com> abr...@wwa.com (abraxas)
writes:
>
>The only thing I find even mildly annoying is a flash piece done on a
whim...
>
>All too many times I have seen drunken fraternity boyos stumbling out
of
>an establishment with their brand new daggers/devils/letters/etc...I
>dunno, something about the whole thing irks me to no end...
>
>NOT that I find anything offensive about flash, mind you....far from
it.
>I also find nothing offensive about tattoos done on a whim....but the
>combination of the two with a heavy dose of alchohol (or other
>intoxicants) annoys me.
>
>Perhaps I feel this way because I spend alot of time and energy
thinking
>about my next pieces, planning, making sure that I REALLY want
them....My
>tats are precious to me...I cant imagine even being drunk whilst
recieving
>one...to me that would be desicration to the extreme....
>
>But thats just me of course.....:)
>
>
>
>
>-----yttrx
I thought it was illeagle to tat intozicated people nowadays.. or am I
just being nieve?
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
>What I find irksome is when the person who has a tattoo
>is ignorant of it's meaning, like a lot of the current
>celtic and tribal stuff.
>
>Gabe
Gabe: unfortunately.. it's true of more than jsut the celtic and
tribal stuff.. I sell jewelry.. but people ask me to recommend tattoo
parlors to them all the time (two one my unhidden ankles and one on my
unhidden wrist will do that..)... several of the ones I've spoken to
have shown me their "skateboard logos" tattoos.. the sad thing is...
they were YINYANGS.. also.. when people show me their Ahnks and tell
me it's a symbol of royality... that scares me.
the tat's I like best are the tats I make up myself.. or are made
specifically for me by my friends.
Gibb..
Johanna L Botari
Steve Beyer (sbe...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: On Tue, 26 Nov 1996 13:26:55 GMT, steve...@cf.ac.uk (Will
: Stevenson) wrote:
: > *tribal designs taken from contempory cultues that are not your own
: ***
: This one is problematic for me. My background (such as it is) is
: Eastern European Jewish. Does that mean I am precluded from Celtic
: knots? I happen to have a large more-or-less Southwestern USA tribal
Hi. Um, maybe it's me that's mis-interpreting, but I _think_ perhaps you
missed a significant word. It read, "tribal designs taken from
_contemporary_ cultures... not your own". I read that as referring to
such things as the Maori moko or Samoan or other present-day tribal
cultures for whom very precise and specific tattooing patterns are key to
their culture. This has been discussed on this group, referencing things
a certain man (sorry, don't recall names) who had seen a Maori moko and
had it reproduced on him; his ignorance was such that he had no clue that
the design was a moko specific to a tribesWOMAN. Things like that.
Celtic symbols are from an ancient culture which is no longer intact,
though remnants pervade culture today. I'd be hard pressed to find among
my friends someone who didn't count themselves as having Celtic heritage,
if not in direct bloodline then in custom, religion, or study somewhere.
North American native designs are a kind of gray area - many of these
cultures do survive, yet in such an opressed and altered way, ... well, I
can't really say what I think on that. A native friend educated me about
the spirit-questing involved in seeking one's totem animal; to her,
perhaps the idea of someone walking into a tat studio and saying "I want
that" in reference to a totem symbol IS offensive - at the same time, I
believe she has no concern with people wanting designs inspired by or in
the form of native artworks.
A more Euro-centric parallel might be: If you are a member of a family
that traces its roots through centuries, and actually has a crest (or a
tartan or an insignia or whatever) wouldn't you find it something of an
affront for someone to go get your crest tattooed on their butt? OTOH, a
design perhaps _similar_ to your crest and banner, but of course having
the wearer's own specifics, would probably not get more than a nod of
"hey, that looks a bit like something...."
Ah, but I digress. g'night.
Johanna
|PaR@|)iG|\/|
Ambient Inc. <dex...@ambient.on.ca> wrote in article
<57fq39$p...@news.shadowplay.net>...
<snipaway!!!>
> I would love to
> get a maple leaf tattooed somewhere pretty visible on me, but its been
> appropriated by the neonazis, so I'm shying away from that one for
> now.
<yetanothersnip>
> Denise Robinson, Ambient Inc.
> No Flesh Shall be Spared
> Friday thee 13th ov December, Ottawa
> http://www.ambient.on.ca/
>
>
Just a question . . . what in the world are the neo-nazis doing with the
poor maple leaf??!
Confused.
--
Chris Moon : Shrub
para...@oneimage.com
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <329b46bf...@nntp.ix.netcom.com> sbe...@ix.netcom.com (Steve
>>find offensive
>>
but
>>plenty i've found in poor taste, or expressing sentiments i do not
share
>>
>>some of the designs i'm thinking about ...
>
>> *tribal designs taken from contempory cultues that are not your own
>
>***
>
>This one is problematic for me. My background (such as it is) is
>Eastern European Jewish. Does that mean I am precluded from Celtic
>knots? I happen to have a large more-or-less Southwestern USA tribal
>other than respect for the culture(s) from which it came. Have I
>done something wrong?
>
>a Navajo design? Could a Tibetan wear a Chinese design? Could a
>Litvak wear a Galitzianer design? (Heaven forbid!)
>
>all one culture. I would think that bodmod people, who assimilate
>their passion from all cultures, would be most open to that idea.
>
>Clearly a subject for debate . . .
>
>--Steve
>
As for that.. I think one shouldnt get tattoos unless meant for
respect. So therefore.. one COULD have a tribal-but-not-thier-own
tattoo .... and have it mean respect,eh.
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <E1HC0...@cf.ac.uk> steve...@cf.ac.uk (Will Stevenson) writes:
>
>i've been thinking about tattoos that we (as bodmodded people) might
>find offensive
>
>i'll say now that i've never seen any tats that i found offensive -
but
>plenty i've found in poor taste, or expressing sentiments i do not
share
>
>some of the designs i'm thinking about ...
>
> *nationalist designs ('scotland forever' etc)
>
>i can imagine plenty of tats that would offend me - but haven't seen
any
>
>have you?
>
>
>will
>
It's hard for me to think of an offensive tattoo. (heck, I live in the
Great Northwest of the United States.. okay.. Ilive in Seattle.. pretty
progressive up here.. yesindeedy...)
But I think that a lovely graphically detailed rape-scene backpiece
would probably do it. You know.. full color.. detail up the
ying/yang... That, or a nice, lovely, peaceful murder scene. That
would be what I find offencive.. well.. that and swear words. I don't
believe words belong on a body.. (personal opinion), or.. if they do
belong there, it's because they are something special (ie a kid, or a
person who died).. not words like f*ck, or sh*t, or b*tch, or even hoe.
I dunno.. just don't sit right.
Gibb..
aw...@aol.com
Message-ID: <57gdm0$5...@malasada.lava.net>
LAW LIB mark f falk <fa...@duq2.cc.duq.edu> wrote:
> I'd add to your list of potentially offensive tattoos (I guess I'd
>say these are poor taste/sentiments not shared - y'all do what you want,
>and I can like it or not):
>
>[1] Racist stuff - Nazi, Klan, W.A.R., etc, etc
>[2] Genitalia - tattoo of spurting penis, dripping vagina, etc.
:Yes--I am not a great big fan of Dave Lum (who is famous for his
:"spurting penii" tattoos). Well, it's one thing for a huge spurting penis
:to be hidden on someone's buttock--but wasn't there a woman who had a
:necklace of them tattooed on her chest? Hrmmm...well, to all their own. I
:wouldn't call it "offensive" because penises aren't offensive to me. I
:think any tattoo that is symbolic of a person's hateful attitude is
:offensive to me, not because of the tattoo itself, but because of the
:hate that inspired it.
I for one find Dave's work to be a HOOT. He has a truly fun clientele,
they know what they are getting into....my personal opinion on tattoos is
this..I get the tattoos as a way of permanently modifing myself. To me the
design comes second. I could get a 6 foot black panther head or a necklace
of penises. Why not go with the one that is gonna give me a chuckle. Just
my view mind you.
And forget that "keep it hidden" stuff. Bah I say ;)~ I assume you know
that she DOES have spurting penises on her buttocks as well? In the shape
of swastikas no less.
The silly tattoo wearing but still quite "peachy",
Shawn/SPC
Shawn Porter Collection: aw...@aol.com http://users.aol.com/spcllctn/spc/spc.htm
All types of body modification photos available for trade only
seven
I thought that this group...being as we are tattooed and all....would
have a little more brains than start judging other peoples personnal
taste in what they put on their bodys....
tattooed people ..or at least so i thought...are ussually more open
minded and forgiving...guess not.....
there are many designs i dont like to do....for whatever
reason....but i refuse to start imposing my political views on my
clients......i ask EVERYONE if they realize they must live with their
tattoo....and i dont tattoo anyone who is drunk or stoned
my 2 cents
Virginia G Butters
In article <57gvm0$a...@melon.myna.com>, seven <se...@myna.com> wrote:
>
> I thought that this group...being as we are tattooed and all....would
>have a little more brains than start judging other peoples personnal
>taste in what they put on their bodys....
> tattooed people ..or at least so i thought...are ussually more open
>minded and forgiving...guess not.....
I couldn't agree more, and I'm glad to see someone else feels this way
about this thread. I was so disappointed to see that even here people want
to talk about what they don't approve of on other people's bodies.
> there are many designs i dont like to do....for whatever
>reason....but i refuse to start imposing my political views on my
>clients......i ask EVERYONE if they realize they must live with their
>tattoo..
Exactly. Just because you don't like it, for whatever reason, is certainly
no valid arguement against it. I really can't believe the negative,
judgemental attitude I've encountered with such alarming frequency in the
non-bodmod world exists here, even to a small degree. Wow.
--
Virginia Butters I have an image of the language snobs: riding through
English Writing the rabble in their carriages, clove-studded oranges
University of in their silk hankies to protect them from the stink
Pittsburgh of the lumpen proles below. - Barrie Abbott
Wildrose
Stan <st...@bombay.gps.caltech.edu> wrote:
}This actually brings to mind one of my personal pet hates. As a
person
}of mixed race, what is 'my culture'? To white people, I'm Chinese,
to
}Chinese people, I'm white. I claim to be both, but neither side ever
}seems completely comfortable with having me as a member of their
group.
}
}--
}-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
}
Stan....I am Human...and very glad to have you as part of my race!
Wildrose
I give in
to sin
because you have to make this life
liveable
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57fq39$p...@news.shadowplay.net> dex...@ambient.on.ca (Ambient Inc.)
writes:
>steve...@cf.ac.uk (Will Stevenson) wrote:
>
>>i'll say now that i've never seen any tats that i found offensive -
but
>>plenty i've found in poor taste, or expressing sentiments i do not
share
>>some of the designs i'm thinking about ...
>
>> *pictures of women with huge breasts
>> *nationalist designs ('scotland forever' etc)
>> *tribal designs taken from contempory cultues that are not your own
>> *violent military designs
>
>get a maple leaf tattooed somewhere pretty visible on me, but its been
>appropriated by the neonazis, so I'm shying away from that one for
>now.
So you won't get a maple leaf visibly on your body because you're
afriad some ignorant feeb will decide that you are a neo- and hate you
forever???
The Maple leaf, I don't think I have to tell you, is a wonderful
symbol.. are we really willing to let it be turned into something ugly
and horrid, and racist.
Thank you .. I have just figured out what my 10th tattoo will be.
Gibbitt
a Canadian in Seattle
Wildrose
dark...@darkrose.dungeon.com (Wildrose ) wrote:
}}
>}Stan....I am Human...and very glad to have you as part of my race!
}
>}Wildrose
BTW...school officals LOVE me when I turn in my kids paperwork every
year...Race: human
Nationality: American
First Language Spoken (why the hell do they ask this?) Baby
talk......or if I'm in a real fuck-with-their-paperwork mood, Klingon
Wildrose (who actually had a Principal call to ask if we spoke Klingon
at home-----he wanted the dictionary)
Barrie Abbott
LotAmbient Inc. (dex...@ambient.on.ca) wrote:
: steve...@cf.ac.uk (Will Stevenson) wrote:
[stuff cut]
This thread reminds me of a t-shirt worn by a bookstore employee:
"I have something in my bookstore to offend everyone".
This has been a good thread. It makes me think that offence is taken more
often than it is given. If someone causes me to take offence (say, by
farting) then I move away (and pronto). If someone causes me to take
offence (say, by sporting a spurting nazi maple leaf) then I only have to
turn away. In both cases, however, the offender is consigned by me, the
offendee, to the category of ignorant butthead. But it is important for
me to remember that it is I who have taken offence. Others may not take
offence. That is an expression of their standards. If I have learned
anything from this newsgroup, it is more tolerance, something I am still
learning.
thanks
Claude Johnpoll
>>***
>>> *tribal designs taken from contempory cultues that are not your
own
>>
>>***
does this mean i should not have my name done in japanese on my back
below my existing piece??? (japanese dragons) i was born american, but
have at least five "backround" cultures, french, italien, german,
irish, and lithuanian...so what??? why does it matter that i want
something doen in a language not my own, or in a design not from "my"
culture? a debate issue, yes, but relevant, no.
my $.02
daidai
abraxas
> I thought that this group...being as we are tattooed and all....would
> have a little more brains than start judging other peoples personnal
> taste in what they put on their bodys....
To me, my body is really the only tactile representation of what lies
within...I use it to show people who I am...(or who I think I am)..At the
present time, I'm finding that I like bugs and celtic knotwork for MANY
reasons, not the least of which is my philosophical perspective.....
I like to think that this is universal. To permanently mark ones body is
to express an inner texture...A sort of 'flavor' of who you are.
And although I dont have a problem with things like cartoon flash in and
of ITSELF, I find myself often repelled by the sort of personality that
decides on that sort of thing on a WHIM....Not always mind you, but a good
chunk of the time.
I dont see this as a judgment on the person rooted in their choice of
ink....The ink is not what repells me, it is often (but again, not always)
a SYMPTOM of what repells me...
> tattooed people ..or at least so i thought...are ussually more open
> minded and forgiving...guess not.....
I really hope I dont fit into your assertion of tattooed people. There is
a definate difference in the mindset of a person who gets a celtic
knotwork butterfly on their ass and a person who gets a giant bloody
swastika on their backs....Again, the bloody swastika is somewhat of a
representation of the person that lies beneath the skin, dont you think?
> there are many designs i dont like to do....for whatever
> reason....but i refuse to start imposing my political views on my
> clients......i ask EVERYONE if they realize they must live with their
> tattoo....and i dont tattoo anyone who is drunk or stoned
>
Fair enough, but alot of people do. I was piss drunk when I got my first
tattoo in Chelsea...and the artist really didnt seem to care....Different
strokes for different folks I guess. I also know artists that simply will
not tattoo certian subject matter, and that is their choice...if the
client really wants what they want, they can go find someone willing to
give it to them...at least then its not a whim, like MY first one
was.....:P
-----yttrx
--
But theres nooo plaaaaccceee like Loooonnnnnnndooonnnnn!
Aloe
In article <57hp0b$s...@sjx-ixn5.ix.netcom.com>,
Claude Johnpoll <john...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>>***
>>>> *tribal designs taken from contempory cultues that are not your
>own
>>>
>>>***
Incidentally, I'm curious about something- when neo-nazis appropriate
something like a maple leaf (has anybody yet explained why?) it becomes an
icon of contemporary culture- people seeing it (assuming they know about
the nazi connection) will be able to make a statement about the wearer
based on its current meaning, regardless of what uses (Canadian flag) it
has been put to in the past.
So is it really cultural appropriation to wear an ankh as a goth symbol,
for instance? Obviously ankhs have had various meanings over the last few
thousand years, but nowadays, when I see somebody wearing an ankh earring
or tattoo or neck-chain, I assume they're wearing it in the context of
twentieth century post-punk western culture.
So, similarly, when I see "tribal" (maori, usually) tattoos, I associate
them more with the bod-mod community (in a way I wouldn't were they
for instance, a marine corps battalion tat) than with whatever their
"original" context would have been.
-A
- al...@uchicago.edu -
I rip off The Prisoner:
"I am not a [word]!"
"I am a free [ ]!"
* http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/mjfarbma *
Gt
Ambient Inc. wrote:
[snipped]
> I would love to
> get a maple leaf tattooed somewhere pretty visible on me, but its been
> appropriated by the neonazis, so I'm shying away from that one for
> now.
Whoa! The Maple Leaf thing is new to me. I want to know more
about this since I have a neckpiece planned with a maple leaf,
tribal and kanji (which *I* wrote). I haven't seen any
skinheads with 'em, but I have to admit I don't know, nor
would I be welcome in a group of neonazis.
Could it be regional to Canada rather than the US?
Do tell, please.
Gabe
That Funky Chick
>BTW...school officals LOVE me when I turn in my kids paperwork every
>year...Race: human
> Nationality: American
> First Language Spoken (why the hell do they ask this?) Baby
>talk......or if I'm in a real fuck-with-their-paperwork mood, Klingon
Hey, I'll have to remember that--I usually leave "race" blank (seems a
meaningless question anyway; I think what they really want to know is
"what color is he?")
Stan
aw...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Message-ID: <57gdm0$5...@malasada.lava.net>
>
> >[2] Genitalia - tattoo of spurting penis, dripping vagina, etc.
>
> :necklace of them tattooed on her chest? Hrmmm...well, to all their own. I
>
> that she DOES have spurting penises on her buttocks as well? In the shape
> of swastikas no less.
Indeed. Also, let's not forget the penis-flower vine she has covering one
arm. It's actually quite attractive in a weird sort of way.
That Funky Chick
On Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:10:09 GMT, dex...@ambient.on.ca (Ambient Inc.)
wrote:
>I guess you could include in the "nationalist" section white
>power/black power/rainbw power... I *hate* those. I would love to
>get a maple leaf tattooed somewhere pretty visible on me, but its been
>appropriated by the neonazis, so I'm shying away from that one for
>now.
What? How the heck did they manage that? I'm sure the Canadians are
thrilled....
>And change the "pictures of women with huge breasts" to any anatomical
>depiction, really: bleeding hearts, dripping genitals, etc...
Funny--one of my candidates for a tattoo was a mermaid; not
particularly big-breasted, but they were definitely there. :) My
husband liked that one...he said it was more unexpected than a
dragon...
-Bertha
ber...@mhn.org http://www.mhn.org/~bertha
I appreciate and support Lani and Anne's efforts to keep r.a.b.
a friendly, useful, interesting and readable newsgroup.
That Funky Chick
On 26 Nov 1996 15:03:55 -0500, ra...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Diana L.
Cascioli) wrote:
>I hope I don't piss anyone here off, but I _detest!_ any tattoo of cartoon
>characters and the like. One of my friends has a Tazmanian devil that he
>got while in the Navy, but he doesn't flaunt it, so it's ok.
[snip]
Generally I wouldn't want a TV character or logo tattooed on myself (I
am not free advertising)--but at the last Mystery Science Theatre
convention, I saw a man with a tattoo of one of the show's characters,
and it was WONDERFUL. It was a photographic-quality tattoo. The
character (a robot) was done using shading and highlighting that made
it look metallic, and the detail was perfect. If I DID want a TV
character, I'd want one done like that, not like a cartoon
character...
Little C
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones (gib...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: when people show me their Ahnks and tell
: me it's a symbol of royality... that scares me.
Just an aside...
When I went on vacation to Egypt 4 years ago, I bought a good friend of
mine a T-shirt with an ankh on it (knowing he would fully appreciate the
symbol and it's connotations...). He wore it one day at his university, and
was appraoched by a female student, who complimented him on it. Thinking he
had finally found a fellow goddess/egyptian religion cohort, he asked her
opinions on the symbology of the ankh... she became confused and responded,
"religion? I thought it was just a cool surfing symbol!"
;) Don'tcha just *love* the masses.
-C.
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Will Stevenson
seven (se...@myna.com) wrote:
: I thought that this group...being as we are tattooed and all....would
: have a little more brains than start judging other peoples personnal
: taste in what they put on their bodys....
: tattooed people ..or at least so i thought...are ussually more open
: minded and forgiving...guess not.....
: there are many designs i dont like to do....for whatever
: reason....but i refuse to start imposing my political views on my
: clients......i ask EVERYONE if they realize they must live with their
: tattoo....and i dont tattoo anyone who is drunk or stoned
no one has said (yet...) that any bodyart should be banned - you do
imply that you do some appraisal of bodyart - its commendable that
you still ink it willy nilly
offensive tattoos can either indicate an offensive attitude - misogeny,
racism etc - or be offensive due to ignorance - appropriation of a
spiritually significant symbol in an unsympathetic way
if we take bodyart seriously then we should be able to critically
look at it in areas other than aethetics
a deeper understanding of art goes beyond 'that's pretty' 'that's not'
and tries to uncover the semantics of the art - i think that we
can do the same for bodyart
the big difference with bodyart is of course that it is so personal -
so judging the art is judging the person - and it would be unfair
to judge a person purely on their tats
i don't think that what a person's bodyart says can ever be
unequivocable - like any communication - but what their tattoo
says, taken with other things i might observe about a person
could lead me to not like that person
some things though do stand out - i wouldn't hang about to see
if a person with a white power tattoo was a racist - i would take it
prima face that they were
cheers
will
That Funky Chick
On Wed, 27 Nov 1996 09:10:42 GMT, se...@myna.com (seven) wrote:
> there are many designs i dont like to do....for whatever
>reason....but i refuse to start imposing my political views on my
>clients......i ask EVERYONE if they realize they must live with their
>tattoo....and i dont tattoo anyone who is drunk or stoned
Wow, and here I thought we were just talking about designs we didn't
like personally; I don't remember anyone saying that they were
planning to accost someone and tell them "How dare you get a tattoo
that I don't approve of!"
I don't want a cartoon character on myself, but if someone else does,
it's their skin.
So are we not allowed to talk about our likes and dislikes, then? Is
that not another form of imposing political views? Where do you draw
the line between expressing an opinion and making judgements on other
people?
Little C
Diana L. Cascioli (ra...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu) wrote:
: I hope I don't piss anyone here off, but I _detest!_ any tattoo of cartoon
: characters and the like.
I agree...though it doesn't really piss me off, it makes me wonder a
little. I can understand if it's a cartoon character that *you* created, or
it represents something important/special/whatever to you....but it seems
like a bit of "free advertising for the comic company" to see tats of "Taz
as the Grim Reaper" or whatnot. <shrug> Same for company logos/images.
Though my ideas of an asthetic tattoo are pretty much limited to simple
designs. <shrug again> YMMV, bien sur.
Diana L. Cascioli
In article <57gcm1$i...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones <gib...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>believe words belong on a body.. (personal opinion), or.. if they do
>belong there, it's because they are something special (ie a kid, or a
>person who died).. not words like f*ck, or sh*t, or b*tch, or even hoe.
I generally agree, but I had a friend with a poem tattooed spiraling
around her upper arm in green ink. I thought it looked really nice. Very
subtle, too.
- Diana
--
Diana L. Cascioli
>I thought it was illeagle to tat intozicated people nowadays.. or am I
>just being nieve?
I don't know that it is illegal, but most places won't do it because 1)
the person might regret it later and try to take action against the artist
and 2) alcohol thins the blood, making for a messy and poor tattoo.
- Diana
-=-=-=-=-=-= Diana ^(raven)^ * http://www.geckoworld.com/~raven =-=-=-=-=-=-
Is there anything more beautiful than a beautiful, beautiful flamingo,
flying across in front of a beautiful sunset? And he's carrying a
beautiful rose in his beak, and also he's carrying a very beautiful
painting with his feet. And also, you're drunk. - Jack Handy
--
Little C
Diana L. Cascioli (ra...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu) wrote:
: This also raises a point with me. I think Celtic knotwork or ancient
: artwork looks good on *anyone* if it's done well. But I don't like it when
: people tattoo (or wear jewelery for that matter) of symbols that they
: don't know the significance to. Alot of people will tattoo runes or
: magical symbols on themselves without knowing what it means.
<nodnodnod> <jumps up and down and up and down and around and around>
Me too! Glad that someone else is anal about this, too. ;)
Diana L. Cascioli
In article <57gall$7...@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>,
Johanna L Botari <jbo...@uoguelph.ca> wrote:
>: This one is problematic for me. My background (such as it is) is
>: Eastern European Jewish. Does that mean I am precluded from Celtic
>: knots? I happen to have a large more-or-less Southwestern USA tribal
>
>Hi. Um, maybe it's me that's mis-interpreting, but I _think_ perhaps you
>missed a significant word. It read, "tribal designs taken from
>_contemporary_ cultures... not your own". I read that as referring to
>such things as the Maori moko or Samoan or other present-day tribal
>cultures for whom very precise and specific tattooing patterns are key to
>their culture. This has been discussed on this group, referencing things
>a certain man (sorry, don't recall names) who had seen a Maori moko and
>had it reproduced on him; his ignorance was such that he had no clue that
>the design was a moko specific to a tribesWOMAN. Things like that.
This also raises a point with me. I think Celtic knotwork or ancient
artwork looks good on *anyone* if it's done well. But I don't like it when
people tattoo (or wear jewelery for that matter) of symbols that they
don't know the significance to. Alot of people will tattoo runes or
magical symbols on themselves without knowing what it means.
Just a personal peeve. :)
Gt
abraxas wrote:
>
> In article <329B5E...@ucsd.edu>, gt...@ucsd.edu wrote:
>
> > I am similarly irked when I see art with names
> > of divorace-ables: girlfriends, boyfriends, wives,
> > husbands that are still alive. Just plain dumb
> > on the part of the client and ethically questionable
> > on the part of the "artist."
> > But hey, common sense frequently isn't and rent's gotta be
> > paid, right?
>
> Right, tat artists have to eat AND pay the rent.
>
> I dont fault the artist for doing yet another yosemite sam or taz
> devil.....The dont tape the victim to the chair and force them to get
> something annoying...
Absolutely, and that was part of my point. No one *forced*
the client, but it's interactive.
As an artist myself (not a tattoo artist), there *is* some
ethical responsibility involved for artists of all types.
Both the artist and client have a part to play and both are
not blameless or the sole repository for blame.
Still, I find the names thing the most irksome.
I especially like seeing the marine recruits fresh
from MCRD (San Diego) get their *own* names put on their
forearms.
Maybe it's regional.
Gabe
"I am at two with nature" -woody allen
Maximum Woman
On Tue, 26 Nov 1996, Will Stevenson wrote:
> i've been thinking about tattoos that we (as bodmodded people) might
> find offensive
>
> some of the designs i'm thinking about ...
>
> *pictures of women with huge breasts
I'm curious--does anyone actually find this offensive, rather than just
tacky? I personally don't find the large breasts offensive (I've got a
set of my own!) but the fact that these tats always seem to be the same
bleached-blonde, with the teeny waist and impossible hips...and let's not
forget that very tasteful nipple poke-through if she's even wearing a
shirt...that someone picked off the wall, is aesthetically displeasing. I
just want to grab them and say "EVERYONE AND THEIR BROTHER HAS THIS ONE
ALREADY!!" The exception to this rule is a tattoo like this on a
woman...and beefcake tats on a man...I find that very attractive.
Now, a tattoo of a big fat gorgeous woman with big breasts and more
realistic proportions, I would love to see that. AAMOF, I'm considering
getting a big fat lady tattoo for myself! Two fat women for the price of
one--WOOHOO!
Cheers,
Maximum Woman
P.S. Tattoos I really hate to see include those really old ones (you see
them a lot on older military folks) that look muddy. I also can't stand
the rose on the ankle. And I'm not terribly fond of skulls. I also
would find racist tats annoying...just like I'm annoyed by other racist
expression. (And no, I don't favor censoring them...racist tattoos make
it easier to play spot the moron.)
Maximum Woman: Submissive slut, bitch in training, Atheist-American Princess.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
I guess I should hope that my words have bothered no one, but I don't hope
that at all. In this world, there are people who ought to be bothered.
Russ Smith
|PaR@|)iG|\/| [interesting spelling there] wrote:
> Just a question . . . what in the world are the neo-nazis
> doing with the poor maple leaf??!
The Buddhists said "Gimme that back ya bums!" and took
back the swastika so the nasties picked the next best
symbol...we all knew about those Canucks...
[actually, the Buddhists, being Buddhists, never gave up
the swastika - they merely observeed the "current"
proceedings and murmured "Been there, seen that...time
to blink an eye again" and move a few more millenia]
As an aside - I find no tattoos offensive; silly perhaps, a
little on the bizarro side perhaps, decided on without
sufficient thought perhaps (like that AMAZING recent note from
the guy who had a PA piercing done THEN asked "How do I
pee standing up"! Whoa momma! Can anyone say "kneejerk
reaction"? But I digress from tattoos...or maple leaves).
Pirate Nick Baban
In article <329b46bf...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
Steve Beyer <sbe...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
[snippage]
>
>BTW, the term "culture" raises problems of its own. Could a Hopi wear
>a Navajo design? Could a Tibetan wear a Chinese design? Could a
>Litvak wear a Galitzianer design? (Heaven forbid!)
>
>I guess what I mean is that, when you come right down to it, we are
>all one culture.
Actually, I wuold disaggree with that. "Culture" refers to social
practices, beliefs, vocabulary, ways of doing things. etc. The culture of
Brooklyn, NY is very different from the culture of Bulrington, VT which is
very different from the culture of Californicate.
> I would think that bodmod people, who assimilate
>their passion from all cultures, would be most open to that idea.
>
Well, as a bodmod person, I disaggree.. I think that, as humans, we are
al one race, which refers to biology. But to say thyat we are all one
culture does, I think, a great disservice to the broad band of cultures
that the human race has produced.
Ooh look! Another nit! Better go pick it! ;)
--"Pirate Nick" Baban * PIR...@best.com--
"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson
Pirate Nick Baban
In article <57fifb$n...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>,
Diana L. Cascioli <ra...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote:
[snip]
>
>I hope I don't piss anyone here off, but I _detest!_ any tattoo of cartoon
>got while in the Navy, but he doesn't flaunt it, so it's ok.
>
[snip]
>
>I just think there are so many things that are meaningful that could be
>tattooed on a body besides a cartoon. I think they are usually really
>cheezy and unoriginal.
>
>My $.02
>
> - Diana
>
Who's to say that a cartoon character can't be meaningful? I happen to
be the prooud owner of a Yosemite Sam on my left shoulder. And you know
what? It means a lot to me. It works in with the whole pirate theme of the
tattoos I have and are planning.
I thought long and hard about a theme. I searched back into my
childhood and came up with an image I loved back then. it was Errol Flynn
in Captain Blood. And so I got the Jolly Roger that was my first ink.
I've got several more planned but one of them was indeed Yosemite Sam.
He was always my favorite foil for Buggs Bunny as kid and I LOVED the ones
where he showed up as a pirate. So I found an artists with a good design
and had it done.
If you dislike cartoon characters, that's fine. But don't automatically
assume that they are meaningless flash or "Cheezy and unoriginal". I've
seen more celtic knots, dragons, flowers, and tribal work than all of the
cartoon tats I've ever encountered. But saying that someone getting a
dragon tattoo is unoriginal would raise some hackles.
But then, everyone is entitled to their opinion. :)
Insert $.02 US
Ambient Inc.
sbe...@ix.netcom.com (Steve Beyer) wrote:
>***
>> *tribal designs taken from contempory cultues that are not your own
>design that is very meaningful to me personally. I have no attitude
>other than respect for the culture(s) from which it came. Have I
>done something wrong?
I personally dislike the flash aspect that some tribal pieces have
taken. I dislike flash, and making a culturally-specific piece
mass-produced for (most likely) clueless recipients seems immoral or
disrespectful. I mean, when a lady comes in and says, "hmmm, I'd like
something light and fluffy... A butterfly, or clouds, or unicorn...
Oh look! That pretty spiral pattern is PERfect!"
>I guess what I mean is that, when you come right down to it, we are
>all one culture. I would think that bodmod people, who assimilate
>their passion from all cultures, would be most open to that idea.
>Clearly a subject for debate . . .
Denise Robinson, Ambient Inc.
No Flesh Shall be Spared
Friday thee 13th ov December, Ottawa
http://www.ambient.on.ca/
Ambient Inc.
mjfa...@midway.uchicago.edu (Aloe) wrote:
>Incidentally, I'm curious about something- when neo-nazis appropriate
>something like a maple leaf (has anybody yet explained why?) it becomes an
>icon of contemporary culture- people seeing it (assuming they know about
>the nazi connection) will be able to make a statement about the wearer
>based on its current meaning, regardless of what uses (Canadian flag) it
>has been put to in the past.
The nazi implications of the maple leaf are a reginal phenomenon for
some Canadian cities. To the fascists it represents "Proud to be
WHITE Canadian".
Ambient Inc.
se...@myna.com (seven) wrote:
> I thought that this group...being as we are tattooed and all....would
>have a little more brains than start judging other peoples personnal
>taste in what they put on their bodys....
> tattooed people ..or at least so i thought...are ussually more open
>minded and forgiving...guess not.....
> there are many designs i dont like to do....for whatever
>reason....but i refuse to start imposing my political views on my
>clients......i ask EVERYONE if they realize they must live with their
>tattoo....and i dont tattoo anyone who is drunk or stoned
I'm not saying that people should be stopped from getting their ink of
preference because SOMEONE out there might be offended by it. Heck,
many people get tattoos delibreately to offend others. But I think
that its a PERFECT way to judge a person is by their ink. Unless of
course they were forced to endure a tattoo against their will, I'd say
that the ink is a manifestation of that person's personailty or tastes
(at one time of their life), wouldn't you say?
If I see certain tats (or posters, or other artwork) that depict
certain themes, I get offended. Unless the person asks my opinion,
I'm not going to say anything, just turn away. But yes, I'll judge a
person for wearing 'em. Why shouldn't I judge a person for wearing a
tattoo that says "Fuck Whitey" or has a big gaping, dripping vagina?
BTW, the whole maple leaf imagery is pretty much relevant in Canada
only, meant as a proud to be white canajun kindov thang. I'm
incredibly proud of my French, British and Pict background, making me
a great mishmash canadian. And I *will* get a maple leaf tattooed on
me later in life- its just not that important to me now.
<brag>
I'm just going to concentrate on getting my backpiece done by Katzen
(Enigma's wife) first!
</brag>
Then touch up and finish my many work-in-progress pieces.
Stx
Will Stevenson wrote:
>
> i've been thinking about tattoos that we (as bodmodded people) might
> find offensive
>
> plenty i've found in poor taste, or expressing sentiments i do not share
>
> some of the designs i'm thinking about ...
>
> *pictures of women with huge breasts
> *tribal designs taken from contempory cultues that are not your own
>
> i can imagine plenty of tats that would offend me - but haven't seen any
>
> have you?
>
> cheers
>
> will
I have read EVERY ONE of the postings on this subject up to 10am this
US holiday- Thanksgiving- and here is my opinion:
It took me years of looking at tats to get my first- and I did design
it. I have yet to see illustration I find offensive- some I think are
poorly done- but- for whatever the reason- this genre has one linking
quality- all can wear upon their body whatever they like. Period. and if
you don't like what you see- don't look!
My theme, if you want to call it that, is snakes- because I have a
genuine love of this reptile. MY tats are mine- for me- they make me
happy! the more I get the more I want- and know that it is the same for
many- even if what they wear is not unique or may be representative of
some political view or cultural statement. I have never had a problem
discussing someone's choice of a symbol that may represent a political
view- or some silly cartoon! I found that when it comes to tats- most
are more than willing to talk about theirs! Offensive designs, I don't
think there is such a thing- I think there are offensive people with
tats!
I have seen the penis tats- they are great!!! What a delight! I smiled
and laughed- more than I can say for some designs that required alot of
voyeurism to see all that was there to see!
People modify their bodies with whatever they want- and whether you find
their choices offensive or mundane- is irrelevant....their body their
choice.....They didn't do it for or to you- they did it to and for
themselves!
So- if you are offended- it may be that your limitations, fears, or
whatever are being tweaked- and possibly you need to review them! If we
were all the same then where would we be?
Now if I could just find a 45 year old woman, in good physical
condition, with multiple illustrations on her body- and a great sense of
humor..... whoops!!!! Stx
john enzinas
Russ Smith wrote:
>
> |PaR@|)iG|\/| [interesting spelling there] wrote:
> > Just a question . . . what in the world are the neo-nazis
> > doing with the poor maple leaf??!
>
> The Buddhists said "Gimme that back ya bums!" and took
> back the swastika so the nasties picked the next best
> symbol...we all knew about those Canucks...
hey! watch it.
anyway. based on what i can remember from a conversation with a friend
of mine a couple years back (he is into toying with people's perceptions
and looked an awfl lot like a skinhead at the time) most skinheads tend
to be very nationalistic.
thus the canadian skins would get tattoos proclaiming their pride in
their nationality.
this is old second hand information though so don't forget your salt.
--j
Emily Breed
In article <57gvm0$a...@melon.myna.com>, seven <se...@myna.com> wrote:
>
> I thought that this group...being as we are tattooed and all....would
>have a little more brains than start judging other peoples personnal
>taste in what they put on their bodys....
I can't think of anything that's a better representation of how a person
conceives of himself or herself than a tattoo. Most of us probably
wouldn't get tattooed if we didn't believe that the designs are important,
and that how they relate to what's inside is important.
So yes, I do think it's reasonable to judge someone on what they* have
inked on their body. If somebody thinks that a swastika, or a spurting
penis, or a large-breasted woman in a position displaying herself for the
viewer, or anything else is a good representation of some aspect of their
personality, I'm going to take that into account when forming my opinion
of that person.
> tattooed people ..or at least so i thought...are ussually more open
>minded and forgiving...guess not.....
Open minded, but not so open our brains fall out... :-)
> there are many designs i dont like to do....for whatever
>reason....but i refuse to start imposing my political views on my
>clients......i ask EVERYONE if they realize they must live with their
>tattoo....and i dont tattoo anyone who is drunk or stoned
It's up to you. Were I a tattoo artists, I'd probably go out of business
because I wouldn't do designs I found offensive. Lucky thing I'm not, eh?
[*Attn. grammar quibblers - I'm happy to nitpick usage with you, but if
"they" as a third-person singular was good enough for William Shakespeare,
it's good enough for me.]
Emily Breed emi...@best.com
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another human creature of ripe years, that he shall not do with his life
for his own benefit what he chooses to do with it." -- John Stuart Mill
boy brent
In article <E1HC0...@cf.ac.uk>, steve...@cf.ac.uk (Will Stevenson) wrote:
:i've been thinking about tattoos that we (as bodmodded people) might
:find offensive
: *tribal designs taken from contempory cultues that are not your own
This issue in particular has been the subject of numerous flame wars on r.a.b.
in the past. Some people consider borrowing sacred emblems from other
cultures inherently offensive, other people think that attitude is unrealistic
and revisionist. A credible argument can be made either way -- so don't
automatically assume that people who get tribal ink are simply a bunch of
insensitive cultural imperialists.
boy brent | Not only will the revolution be televised,
bca...@cse.ogi.edu | it will have a laugh track.
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57ghis$5...@scooby.beloit.edu> boy...@stu.beloit.edu (Little C)
writes:
>: I hope I don't piss anyone here off, but I _detest!_ any tattoo of
cartoon
>: characters and the like.
>
>little. I can understand if it's a cartoon character that *you*
created, or
>it represents something important/special/whatever to you....but it
seems
>like a bit of "free advertising for the comic company" to see tats of
"Taz
>as the Grim Reaper" or whatnot. <shrug> Same for company
logos/images.
>
>Though my ideas of an asthetic tattoo are pretty much limited to
simple
>designs. <shrug again> YMMV, bien sur.
>
>-C.
>
To each his own, I guess... I actually found a cartoon character I
WOULD put forever on this body of mine.. it's one of the little spiders
in the Sega Saturn game: BUG! I believe it's level four.. but..
because each one is not named... does that mean it is not a cartoon???
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57gvm0$a...@melon.myna.com> se...@myna.com (seven) writes:
>
>
> I thought that this group...being as we are tattooed and all....would
>have a little more brains than start judging other peoples personnal
>taste in what they put on their bodys....
>minded and forgiving...guess not.....
>reason....but i refuse to start imposing my political views on my
>clients......i ask EVERYONE if they realize they must live with their
>tattoo....and i dont tattoo anyone who is drunk or stoned
>
>
> se...@myna.com
>
Woah.. did someone say they were judging people???? wow.. the things I
miss...
This is a forum, is it not? A place where words are just exactly
that? I don't feel I should be attacked for stating an opinion about
something which EVERYONE has...
Gibbitt
>
>
>
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57hl4g$h...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> bab...@unixg.ubc.ca (Barrie Abbott)
writes:
>
>LotAmbient Inc. (dex...@ambient.on.ca) wrote:
>: steve...@cf.ac.uk (Will Stevenson) wrote:
>
>[stuff cut]
>
>This thread reminds me of a t-shirt worn by a bookstore employee:
>"I have something in my bookstore to offend everyone".
>
>This has been a good thread. It makes me think that offence is taken
more
>often than it is given. If someone causes me to take offence (say, by
>farting) then I move away (and pronto). If someone causes me to take
>offence (say, by sporting a spurting nazi maple leaf) then I only have
to
>turn away. In both cases, however, the offender is consigned by me,
the
>offendee, to the category of ignorant butthead. But it is important
for
>me to remember that it is I who have taken offence. Others may not
take
>offence. That is an expression of their standards. If I have learned
>anything from this newsgroup, it is more tolerance, something I am
still
>learning.
>thanks
HU-LLO! Excuse me.. I don't recall ANYONE stating that they were
going to get the friggin' UZI out and blast away everybody with a
tattoo they didn't like....
all you people who are against this panel.. You're all from the
American Northwest, aren't you?
Gibb..
Seattle, WA
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <32a16c5c...@news.mhn.org> tramp...@mhn.org (That Funky
Chick) writes:
>
>On Wed, 27 Nov 1996 22:10:09 GMT, dex...@ambient.on.ca (Ambient Inc.)
>wrote:
>
>>I guess you could include in the "nationalist" section white
>>power/black power/rainbw power... I *hate* those. I would love to
been
>>appropriated by the neonazis, so I'm shying away from that one for
>>now.
>
>What? How the heck did they manage that? I'm sure the Canadians are
>thrilled....
>
>>And change the "pictures of women with huge breasts" to any
anatomical
>>depiction, really: bleeding hearts, dripping genitals, etc...
>
>Funny--one of my candidates for a tattoo was a mermaid; not
>particularly big-breasted, but they were definitely there. :) My
>husband liked that one...he said it was more unexpected than a
>dragon...
>
>-Bertha
that.. she's got .. well.. I'd have to say breasts just about as big as
mine.. (well.. considering she's based on a picture of Betty Page in a
Black latex mermaid outfit.......
actually.. I think the most surprising tattoo would have to be .. a
mummy.
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <329C72...@ucsd.edu> Gt <gt...@ucsd.edu> writes:
>
>Ambient Inc. wrote:
>[snipped]
>> I would love to
>> get a maple leaf tattooed somewhere pretty visible on me, but its
been
>> appropriated by the neonazis, so I'm shying away from that one for
>> now.
>
>about this since I have a neckpiece planned with a maple leaf,
>tribal and kanji (which *I* wrote). I haven't seen any
>skinheads with 'em, but I have to admit I don't know, nor
>would I be welcome in a group of neonazis.
>
>Could it be regional to Canada rather than the US?
>
>Do tell, please.
>
>Gabe
Look.. EVERYTHING is being appropriated by some group or another..
Ahnks by the neo-goths, leaves by the neo-Nazis.. and the flippin list
goes on..
I have a really BRIL idea...
decide on something YOU want.. don't shed away because some neo- group
has taken it for their own...
AND PUT IT ON YOU GEEZLY BODY FER WHOEVER'S SAKE!!!
or else, pretty soon.. there will be NOTHING that won't have been
appropriated by some group.. and people will be cowering in their
little proverbial corners rocking back and forth, mummbling to
themsleves: I did it.. I did it.. I got the WRONG tattoo...
Gibb..
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57hser$8...@scooby.beloit.edu> boy...@stu.beloit.edu (Little C)
writes:
>Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones (gib...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>
>: when people show me their Ahnks and tell
>: me it's a symbol of royality... that scares me.
>
>Just an aside...
>
>When I went on vacation to Egypt 4 years ago, I bought a good friend
of
>mine a T-shirt with an ankh on it (knowing he would fully appreciate
the
>symbol and it's connotations...). He wore it one day at his
university, and
>was appraoched by a female student, who complimented him on it.
Thinking he
her
>opinions on the symbology of the ankh... she became confused and
responded,
>"religion? I thought it was just a cool surfing symbol!"
>
>;) Don'tcha just *love* the masses.
>
>-C.
>
Selling jewelry.. I get to hear THAT line too much...
8)
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
I just realized yet another type of tattoo I find offensive....
the ones done because they are the in thing.
I don't care how neat the design.. but to do it becasue it's the "In"
thing is DUMB. (oo.. people are going to jump on me for that one..)
DUMB DUMB.
I have this friend, right? (yeah, really, I do) and she decided that
she was going to get this CHEESY little flower on her left ankle,
because thats what her friends got and where they got it...
spineless.. that's what I did call her..
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57iimi$a...@scooby.beloit.edu> boy...@stu.beloit.edu (Little C)>: This also raises a point with me. I think Celtic knotwork or ancient
>: artwork looks good on *anyone* if it's done well. But I don't like
it when
>: people tattoo (or wear jewelery for that matter) of symbols that
they
>: don't know the significance to. Alot of people will tattoo runes or
>: magical symbols on themselves without knowing what it means.
>
>
>Me too! Glad that someone else is anal about this, too. ;)
>
>-C.
>
once who tattooed around his... 8)
Gibb..
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57ig55$q...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> ra...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Diana L.
Cascioli) writes:
>
>>I thought it was illeagle to tat intozicated people nowadays.. or am
I
>>just being nieve?
>
>I don't know that it is illegal, but most places won't do it because
1)
>the person might regret it later and try to take action against the
artist
>and 2) alcohol thins the blood, making for a messy and poor tattoo.
>
> - Diana
>
thank you for the enlightenment.. (quite seriously)
I guess I have to go look it up..
What I DO know is that in Washington state it is now illegal to tattoo
a minor.. (under 18) even WITH parental permission...
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57kors$b...@shellx.best.com> pir...@best.com (Pirate Nick Baban)
writes:
>In article <329b46bf...@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,
>Steve Beyer <sbe...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>[snippage]
>>
>>BTW, the term "culture" raises problems of its own. Could a Hopi
wear
>>a Navajo design? Could a Tibetan wear a Chinese design? Could a
>>Litvak wear a Galitzianer design? (Heaven forbid!)
>>
>>all one culture.
>
of
>Brooklyn, NY is very different from the culture of Bulrington, VT
which is
>very different from the culture of Californicate.
>
Uh oh... does this mean I can't get that Taxi tattoo I've been meaning
to get? darn. Or that BIG RED SHINEY apple?? or that....
Sorry.. overkill...
Gibb..
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57igmg$e...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> ra...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Diana L.
Cascioli) writes:
>
>In article <57gcm1$i...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,
>Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones <gib...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>>believe words belong on a body.. (personal opinion), or.. if they do
>>belong there, it's because they are something special (ie a kid, or a
>>person who died).. not words like f*ck, or sh*t, or b*tch, or even
hoe.
>
>I generally agree, but I had a friend with a poem tattooed spiraling
>around her upper arm in green ink. I thought it looked really nice.
Very
>subtle, too.
>
> - Diana
>
>--
A poem.. oh my god.. what an idea!!!
okay.. that makes a good exception.. 8)
Gibb
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57kphf$h...@shellx.best.com> pir...@best.com (Pirate Nick Baban)
writes:
>
>In article <57fifb$n...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>,
>Diana L. Cascioli <ra...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote:
>[snip]
>>
cartoon
automatically
>assume that they are meaningless flash or "Cheezy and unoriginal".
I've
>seen more celtic knots, dragons, flowers, and tribal work than all of
the
>cartoon tats I've ever encountered. But saying that someone getting a
>dragon tattoo is unoriginal would raise some hackles.
>
> But then, everyone is entitled to their opinion. :)
> Insert $.02 US
>
>
> --"Pirate Nick" Baban * PIR...@best.com--
> "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson
>
>
>
lays in what STYLE and KIND of dragon you are getting...
Gibb..
Claude Johnpoll
<clip>
>>...But saying that someone getting a
>>dragon tattoo is unoriginal would raise some hackles...
>> --"Pirate Nick" Baban * PIR...@best.com--
>> "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson
>>
>>
>>
>But, Nick, getting at Dragon IS unoriginal. The originality part of
it
>lays in what STYLE and KIND of dragon you are getting...
>
>Gibb..
wait a minute...does that mean although i have both dragons and
mermaids i am unoriginal??? bascally, what i am saying, is that i
*personally* have yet to see *my* dragons on anyone else, or *my*
mermaids. i am not saying they are not, but thus far the general census
is that they are not done anywhere else in the *exact* same way mine
are. so where does that put me? am i beinf unoriginal or because of
what they are and the design i am? obviously, above all matters, this
whole dragon thing is being either 1) blown out of proportion or 2)
calmly discussed as should be or 3) disected to death.
"my POV, no one elses. if i am entitled to nothing, it is my own
opinion."
--daidai
ps - my dragons sport penises, are embracing, and have a sword
separating them. they are your semi-typical japanese dragons with a few
minor alterations, and inbetween where the tails wrap around to my
stomach there are two mermaids, topless, embracing. so there you go :
the culture thing, the sex thing, the offensive thing, and that darn
originality point. my next piece (if all goes well) is to have another
fragon put on the side of my head with its tail trailing down my neck
and then wrapping around the hilt of the sword. i am so sorry if this
tattoo or any of my others offend anyone, but they are mine, and
represent me. oh yeah, i am a female, with tatts of penises and
breasts. i find them to be beautiful.
Moose
Will Stevenson (steve...@cf.ac.uk) wrote:
: i'll say now that i've never seen any tats that i found offensive - but
: plenty i've found in poor taste, or expressing sentiments i do not share
I find tattoos of Barry Manilow quite offensive.
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That Funky Chick
On 29 Nov 1996 08:39:20 GMT, gib...@ix.netcom.com(Rhiannon --
Rhys-Jones) wrote:
>But, Nick, getting at Dragon IS unoriginal. The originality part of it
>lays in what STYLE and KIND of dragon you are getting...
Hmm...I think that was Pirate Nick's point; getting a cartoon tat can
ALSO be considered unoriginal, but if a person puts some thought and
creativity into the design they can actually have something that is
unique and personal.
-Bertha
ber...@mhn.org http://www.mhn.org/~bertha
I appreciate and support Lani and Anne's efforts to keep r.a.b.
a friendly, useful, interesting and readable newsgroup.
Pirate Nick Baban
In article <57m7fo$o...@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>,{mega-snippage]
>
>>
>But, Nick, getting at Dragon IS unoriginal. The originality part of it
>lays in what STYLE and KIND of dragon you are getting...
>
Touche' :)
--"Pirate Nick" Baban * PIR...@best.com--
"Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just."
-Thomas Jefferson
That Funky Chick
On Fri, 29 Nov 96 19:26:51 GMT, Moose <mo...@kakaroon.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
>I find tattoos of Barry Manilow quite offensive.
Ewww. Please, Moose--some of us eat our lunch while reading the
newsgroups.
Emily Breed
In article <329f6936...@news.mhn.org>,
That Funky Chick <ber...@mhn.org> wrote:
>Hey, I'll have to remember that--I usually leave "race" blank (seems a
>meaningless question anyway; I think what they really want to know is
>"what color is he?")
Occasionally, one runs across forms where the form writers have clearly
put a lot of effort into writing the classifications to be specific and
inclusive - except for once category, which they usually label just
"white". In that case, I usually check "other" and write in a description
of "sub-Scandinavian-northern-European-English-American".
I can be just as hyphenated as the next person. :-)
Seriously, this ties somewhat into the question of appropriation of other
cultures' images. Since my ancestors were appropriating stuff right and
left, it occasionally causes me to pause when considering images for
tattoos. "Hm - would it be offensive for someone who's 3/4 English to
have Irish images inked on my skin? Or am I far enough removed from the
imperialists who did their best to oppress the Irish that it's okay?"
(Oh, and before we open up that whole bucket of worms, I'm not presuming
to decide that for anyone else, just for myself.)
Emily Breed emi...@best.com
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you're not.' Two: 'This has all happened before.' You don't argue with
a tree. Even if you cut it down, the tree wins. The tree always wins.
If you form an alliance with the trees, you always win." -- Jon Carroll
boy brent
In article <329B701E...@bombay.gps.caltech.edu>,
Stan <st...@bombay.gps.caltech.edu> wrote:
:This actually brings to mind one of my personal pet hates. As a person
:of mixed race, what is 'my culture'? To white people, I'm Chinese, to
:Chinese people, I'm white. I claim to be both, but neither side ever
:seems completely comfortable with having me as a member of their group.
After looking at the problem in some detail, i now think that our best hope
for ending racism is the growth of 'in-between' people who aren't easily
classified into existing groups. i know that it's not easy to be on the front
lines like that, but breaking down the sharp group distinctions is absolutely
essential if we're ever going to make any progress against prejudice.
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57mrpj$l...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>
john...@ix.netcom.com(Claude Johnpoll) writes:
>
>
><clip>
>>>...But saying that someone getting a
>>>dragon tattoo is unoriginal would raise some hackles...
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>it
>>lays in what STYLE and KIND of dragon you are getting...
>>
>>Gibb..
daidai -- please go back and read what I said.. better yet.. I'll
restate it for you: "But, Nick, getting at Dragon IS unoriginal. The
originality part of it lays in what STYLE and KIND of dragon you are
getting..."
Am I, therefore calling you unoriginal? I'm getting a friggin' mermaid
on my back.. but.. a) it's not a dragon, and b) it's my own style..
so.. yeah. nuff said.
Gibb
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57nlft$b...@shellx.best.com> pir...@best.com (Pirate Nick Baban)
writes:
>
>In article <57m7fo$o...@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>,
>Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones <gib...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>{mega-snippage]
>>
>>>
it
>>lays in what STYLE and KIND of dragon you are getting...
>>
>>Gibb..
>
>
>
> --"Pirate Nick" Baban * PIR...@best.com--
> -Thomas Jefferson
>
>
it with big ol' innocent type eyes.
Ambient Inc.
gib...@ix.netcom.com(Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones) wrote:
>In <329C72...@ucsd.edu> Gt <gt...@ucsd.edu> writes:
>>Ambient Inc. wrote:
>>> I would love to
>>> get a maple leaf tattooed somewhere pretty visible on me, but its
>>> appropriated by the neonazis, so I'm shying away from that one for
>>> now.
> decide on something YOU want.. don't shed away because some neo- group
>has taken it for their own...
> AND PUT IT ON YOU GEEZLY BODY FER WHOEVER'S SAKE!!!
Easy for you to say, but harder to enact.
I'm used to being judged for my bodyart, my hair (or lack thereof), my
clothes. First impressions and all. If I choose for a piece of art
to go on my body, its representational of what I like, and perhaps who
I am. I am not prepared to be perceived as a nazi, thankyou.
My preferred boots, are Docs. One of my warmest coats is a bomber
jacket. I keep my head shaved to show off my tattoo. If I start
wearing fascist symbolism, I may as well just hand out the baseball
bats out everytime I go downtown.
Its a beautiful idea to just say "fuck the world don't care about
noone", I'm going to do what I want, and damn the torpedoes, but when
it jeopardises your health? No thanks. Commitment is one thing.
Asking for it is another. I *will* get a maple leaf tattooed on me
someday, perhaps as part of a head-band, but not until I can find a
way to ensure that it won't be taken the wrong way.
Denise Robinson, Ambient Inc.
No Flesh Shall be Spared
Friday thee 13th ov December, Ottawa
http://www.ambient.on.ca/
Will Stevenson
Emily Breed (emi...@best.com) wrote:
--snip--
: Seriously, this ties somewhat into the question of appropriation of other
: cultures' images. Since my ancestors were appropriating stuff right and
: left, it occasionally causes me to pause when considering images for
: tattoos. "Hm - would it be offensive for someone who's 3/4 English to
: have Irish images inked on my skin? Or am I far enough removed from the
: imperialists who did their best to oppress the Irish that it's okay?"
: (Oh, and before we open up that whole bucket of worms, I'm not presuming
: to decide that for anyone else, just for myself.)
this thing about the appropriation of other (contempory) culture's
images troubles me a little
i could see that it could give offense for me to get a tat of say
Mohammed's name in arabic if i got it because it was pretty, and it
was styled in a way that was unsympathetic to Islam - and i would
regret giving that offense
however, 'The Satanic Verses' by Salman Rushdie *did* offend a lot
of Muslims - and even though i found it an unbearingly boring book -
the Moor's Last Sigh is much better - i disagree fundamentaly with
those who wanted it banned
someone earlier in this thread (i can't remember who) talked about
what europeans might feel about tartan and coats of arms being used
by people who don't have a claim on them
what i say about this is you shouldn't be that careful about people's
sensabilities - tartan is pretty much bogus culture - all this naming
of clans and tartans went on in the 19thC by the 'Enlightenment'
scots in edinburgh - over a hundred years after the genuine gaelic
highland clan culture had been wiped out (through prohibitions on
the language, the clearances, and banning bagpipes and tartan etc)
so although tartan is contempory culture - it is a bastardised version
of the 'real' thing - it really doesn't matter a fuck what tartan
you wear
coats of arms are slightly different, as they are in fact protected
by law in the UK
where i was brought up in the south of scotland, the local coat of
arms was used by the school and so on (it is flying spurs - spurs
with wings on them, and the slogan 'Ready, Aye Ready')
the laird - Patrick Hope-Johnston, the Earl of Annandale - who
also has the flying spurs and Ready, Aye Ready on his coat of
arms tried to ban the school from using these devises
he failed to do so - but he is an arrogant prick who i wouldn't
mind offending
what i'm saying is - don't be too careful about not offending people -
some people with a good claim to a cultural artifact don't deserve
respect - and all this working out what your genealogy is
is pretty bogus as well - if you like it, and you understand some
of the significance of the symbology - stand up for yourself if
someone claims to be offended by it
btw - one of my pals has a dead good 'Om' symbol on his arm (the
Sanscrit letter, not he Greek) - it would be streaching it to say
that it is part of his primary culture - but he chose it as it was
significant to him - i would have to take some convicing that this
was unacceptably offensive to anyone
cheers
will
Stx
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones wrote:
>
> In <329C72...@ucsd.edu> Gt <gt...@ucsd.edu> writes:
> >
> >Ambient Inc. wrote:
> >> I would love to
> >> get a maple leaf tattooed somewhere pretty visible on me, but its
> >> appropriated by the neonazis, so I'm shying away from that one for
> >> now.
> >
> >about this since I have a neckpiece planned with a maple leaf,
> >tribal and kanji (which *I* wrote). I haven't seen any
> >skinheads with 'em, but I have to admit I don't know, nor
> >would I be welcome in a group of neonazis.
> >
> >Could it be regional to Canada rather than the US?
> >
> >Do tell, please.
> >
> >Gabe
>
>
> Look.. EVERYTHING is being appropriated by some group or another..
> Ahnks by the neo-goths, leaves by the neo-Nazis.. and the flippin list
> goes on..
>
> I have a really BRIL idea...
>
> has taken it for their own...
>
> AND PUT IT ON YOU GEEZLY BODY FER WHOEVER'S SAKE!!!
>
> appropriated by some group.. and people will be cowering in their
> little proverbial corners rocking back and forth, mummbling to
> themsleves: I did it.. I did it.. I got the WRONG tattoo...
>
> Gibb..
Love IT!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!!
Stx
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
>Easy for you to say, but harder to enact.
>
>I'm used to being judged for my bodyart, my hair (or lack thereof), my
>clothes. First impressions and all. If I choose for a piece of art
>to go on my body, its representational of what I like, and perhaps who
>I am. I am not prepared to be perceived as a nazi, thankyou.
>
>My preferred boots, are Docs. One of my warmest coats is a bomber
>jacket. I keep my head shaved to show off my tattoo. If I start
>wearing fascist symbolism, I may as well just hand out the baseball
>bats out everytime I go downtown.
>
>Its a beautiful idea to just say "fuck the world don't care about
>noone", I'm going to do what I want, and damn the torpedoes, but when
>it jeopardises your health? No thanks. Commitment is one thing.
>Asking for it is another. I *will* get a maple leaf tattooed on me
>someday, perhaps as part of a head-band, but not until I can find a
>way to ensure that it won't be taken the wrong way.
>
>Denise Robinson, Ambient Inc.
> No Flesh Shall be Spared
>Friday thee 13th ov December, Ottawa
> http://www.ambient.on.ca/
>
I have a way. How about a button that says :" No I am NOT one of
those goose stepping aryan only loving white son's of b*tches."
I think a button says it all! 8)
Gibb..
Stan
Ambient Inc. wrote:
>
> sbe...@ix.netcom.com (Steve Beyer) wrote:
>
> >***
> >> *tribal designs taken from contempory cultues that are not your own
>
> I personally dislike the flash aspect that some tribal pieces have
> taken. I dislike flash, and making a culturally-specific piece
Like that tribal-tattoo-looking design that I've seen on the
Windows NT server box?
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James Hess
Once more a foray into the forest of distinctions...
Several others have addressed the point that the reference is to living
cultures, not ancient Celts. Some people might want to re-appropriate
these symbols for a new identity, but i don't see anyone has having a
greater claim on them than anybody else, despite ancestry. They are
public domain.
Living cultures. Some designs are more like themes broadly spread and
frequently re-expressed. These are semi-public, I'd say - an outsider
is not likely to give offense if they treat the design (and the people of
the originating culture) with respect.
But then, there are also designs that signify specific identities, such
as lineage or clan, rank and honor, membership in specific groups. Think
trademarks. In capitalist countries these are protected by the legal
system. In the societies of the "third world", there were also social codes
that protected these. Rarely written down as laws, often this form of
intellectual property was not recognized by colonizing powers - so in the
bad old un-enlightened days, many felt they had the privilege (and had the
power, established by colonial authority) to appropriate symbols and
artifacts as they wished.
We, of course, have learned better. Occupying the margins of society, we
see how elites use their power to control access to economic, political, and
status achievements. Tattoos have long had, in the US at least, the
function of expressing an outsider identity, rejection of the social order.
This has a lot to do with our use of tattoos - a claim of freedom, authority
over our selves and our bodies, and rebellion.
But as tattoos spread from the ranks of navies and bikers to children of the
middle and upper classes, current or future yuppies, and the despised
fraternity boys, along with our appropriation of symbols of rebellion we
maintain our old assumptions of class privileges as entitlements. We
haven't spent our lives on the margins, we don't know what it is like,
we fail at times to achieve sensitivity to people in such positions.
So I find the attribution of "bad taste" to the use of identity markers
of contemporary cultures a succinct and and admirable standard, showing
respect for others, a calling us to be worthy of respect ourselves.
-Jim Hess-
Anne Greenblatt
>Emily Breed (emi...@best.com) wrote:
>
>--snip--
>: Seriously, this ties somewhat into the question of appropriation of other
>: cultures' images. Since my ancestors were appropriating stuff right and
>: left, it occasionally causes me to pause when considering images for
>: tattoos. "Hm - would it be offensive for someone who's 3/4 English to
>: have Irish images inked on my skin? Or am I far enough removed from the
>: imperialists who did their best to oppress the Irish that it's okay?"
>: (Oh, and before we open up that whole bucket of worms, I'm not presuming
>: to decide that for anyone else, just for myself.)
But does your ancestors behavior have influence on your behavior? How far
back into time do you feel responsible for? My ancestors on one side were
slave owners, on the other Japanese ruling class. And at another time in
history, the Japanese side of the family was living in rule over Manchuria,
only to be jailed after the war. And back on the other side of the family,
my grandfather, father and uncle killed soldiers and civilians they never
knew in two different was.
Of course, these facts brought me to think more closely about history and
social issues in a scholarly way, but I do not feel apologetic. I am only
responsible for my actions.
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boy brent
In <57hl4g$h...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> bab...@unixg.ubc.ca (Barrie Abbott)
:writes:
:This thread reminds me of a t-shirt worn by a bookstore employee:
:"I have something in my bookstore to offend everyone".
:
:This has been a good thread. It makes me think that offence is taken more
:often than it is given.
More often, perhaps, but not always. Since we're discussing potentially
offensive personal adornment, consider this real-life example of a person who
made his intent crystal clear.
My partner Jason works in a local bookstore; one day a customer walked in
sporting a T-shirt that proudly proclaimed "Silly Faggot, Dicks Are For
Chicks!" The lesbian and gay bookstore employees were so upset they were
shaking, and lesbian and gay customers were coming up to the information desk
in large numbers to complain. Finally one of the store managers informed the
gentleman in question that he had two choices: turn his shirt inside-out, or
leave the premises.
Now: was this censorship? Was the person wearing the shirt justified in
deliberately provoking every gay person he met? Or did the lesbians and gays
who work at and patronize this store have the right to go about their business
free of homophobic harassment? Is it accurate to call the actions of any
private company -- significantly in this case, a bookstore -- "censorship"
when it takes action to protect its own employees and customers from being
offended? Or can the term "censorship" only be used to describe actions taken
by a *governmental* agency? And if you consider it "censorship" for a private
employer to have asked this person to turn his shirt inside out or leave, then
when does it *ever* become justified to take someone to task for having given
offense?
While this insensitive clod was making his opinions known with a T-shirt, it's
clear that his views were so intensely held that he could have decided to
convert them into a tattoo. i have known of instances where particularly
homophobic individuals emblazoned their bigotry on a prominent location with
the permanence of a tattoo. Would the bookstore have been justified in
turning these people away as well?
[A couple of side notes to this story. First, these shirts were once sold by
a vendor in Virginia who was compelled by General Mills to stop selling
them lest he get the pants sued off of him for trademark infringement.
Second, Jason spoke to this man's wife, who was mortified by his behavior and
said that he does this thing all the time; she apologised profusely and it was
clear that she could exercise little control over his actions. She also
confided in Jason that she strongly suspect that their son may be gay. If so,
i tremble for that child...]
:But it is important for me to remember that it is I who have taken offence.
:Others may not take offence.
It's just not that simple. If someone drives by and deliberately calls you a
faggot, is it you who have *taken* offense -- or was it the other person who
was deliberately trying to *cause* offense? The problem i have with what
you're saying is that it doesn't allow for intent. If the other person
genuinely meant no offense, then i'd agree with you: the offense is in the eye
of the beholder. But if the other person was deliberately trying to provoke
a confrontation, that's another matter entirely.
:That is an expression of their standards. If I have learned
:anything from this newsgroup, it is more tolerance, something I am
:still learning. thanks
And the more one learns about tolerance, the more complex the issues become.
These questions i've posed don't lend themselves to simple, absolutist
answers; personally, i could argue them either way. What they *do* require is
for us to exercise our judgement and strike a balance between the needs of the
few and the needs of the many.
"No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent,
a part of the main...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in
mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls
for thee."
-- John Donne, _Devotions upon Emergent Occasions_ (1624)
boy brent
In article <57m6m8$5...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
gib...@ix.netcom.com(Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones) wrote:
: What I DO know is that in Washington state it is now illegal to tattoo
:a minor.. (under 18) even WITH parental permission...
i believe it's only legal with a doctor's Rx...
boy brent
In article <57gall$7...@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>,
jbo...@uoguelph.ca (Johanna L Botari) wrote:
:This has been discussed on this group, referencing things
:a certain man (sorry, don't recall names) who had seen a Maori moko and
:had it reproduced on him; his ignorance was such that he had no clue that
:the design was a moko specific to a tribesWOMAN. Things like that.
It has indeed been discussed here before, but the issues complex. Is there
ever really any such thing as being "outside" a culture? Do human cultures
truly exist in separation from one another? Are we merely perpetuating the
sexism of our own culture when we (perhaps selectively) insist on preserving
the distinctions that another culture makes between male and female roles,
right down to the meaning they assign to their tattoos? If the gentleman in
question claimed that his moko gave him insight into Maori culture, then i
think you'd be justified in applying the standards of that culture to him;
otherwise, his ink carries no more cultural significance than a tattoo of the
Tazmanian Devil. As long as he takes care not to call his tattoo a moko,
implying cultural and spiritual dimensions that he hasn't earned, i really
can't see how his choice of ink is any of your business. In another example,
if i decided to perform an estatic ritual in the style of the Sioux Sun Dance,
but neither called it the Sun Dance nor inaccurately represented to other
people that i had performed a Sun Dance, then i'm not inappropriately
infringing on Sioux culture; i am merely adapting their forms for my own
purposes. i can't see anything wrong with that.
:A native friend educated me about
:the spirit-questing involved in seeking one's totem animal; to her,
:perhaps the idea of someone walking into a tat studio and saying "I want
:that" in reference to a totem symbol IS offensive - at the same time, I
:believe she has no concern with people wanting designs inspired by or in
:the form of native artworks.
It might be offensive *if* the person getting the ink was inappropiately
claiming that the tattoo implied that the *rest* of the quest obligations had
been fulfilled, or if the person getting the ink were wearing it in the
context of a society that assigned specific meaning to that tattoo. An
unearned medal for heroism is acceptable when worn as part of a Halloween
costume, but not when worn on the uniform of an active or former member of the
military. In the latter context, it's not just a piece of decoration, it
implies that the bearer has earned the right to wear it.
Aaron C Pawlyk
> : characters and the like.
>
> I agree...though it doesn't really piss me off, it makes me wonder a
> little. I can understand if it's a cartoon character that *you* created, or
> it represents something important/special/whatever to you....but it seems
> like a bit of "free advertising for the comic company" to see tats of "Taz
> as the Grim Reaper" or whatnot. <shrug> Same for company logos/images.
I just feel the need to throw in some defense of comic book characters.
I have
a friend with several comic book characters on him (those are his only
tats
actually). About half of the tattoos are his own comic-book characters
and the
others from Marvel and DC. These are very important things to him. His
Thor
isn't just some "neat-o comic image". It's a symbol from his racial
background
and his love for comics and the character. Yes, comic characters may
seem silly
to some people, but you have to understand that some people take
"comics" very
seriously or can have very deep meaning for the people wearing them.
There are lots of different views and it's impossible to tell why
someone did
what they did. From seeing a tatt we can't know why it was put there.
(Unless
they tattooed why right under it.... ;) Personally, I think I end up
respecting
a well done spiderman on someones leg than another tribal/celtic
symbol. But
until and unless I know why that person got spiderman or some tribal
work, I
really can't criticize their choice. And even after, who cares what I
think, I'm
not them.....
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Little C
Aaron C Pawlyk (aa...@ccat.sas.upenn.edu) wrote:
: Little C wrote:
: > I agree...though it doesn't really piss me off, it makes me wonder a
: > little. I can understand if it's a cartoon character that *you* created, or
: > it represents something important/special/whatever to you....but it seems
: > like a bit of "free advertising for the comic company" to see tats of "Taz
: > as the Grim Reaper" or whatnot. <shrug> Same for company logos/images.
: to some people, but you have to understand that some people take
: "comics" very
: seriously or can have very deep meaning for the people wearing them.
Oh, I definitely agree. I wasn't saying that comic characters are "silly"
or "impersonal," though I can see where I may have come across sounding like
that. I was speaking on a personal level; what *I* would personally put on
my body. <grin> Hell, I'm toying with the idea of a small image of the
character "Delirium" from the Sandman comics (who I often feel is my alter
ego! ;) )
Sorry if I came across as sounding demeaning or snobby!
-C., not enough sleep, too many CS labs due....
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In article <E1HC0...@cf.ac.uk>, steve...@cf.ac.uk wrote:
>i've been thinking about tattoos that we (as bodmodded people) might
>find offensive
>
>i'll say now that i've never seen any tats that i found offensive - but
>plenty i've found in poor taste, or expressing sentiments i do not share
>
>some of the designs i'm thinking about ...
>
> *pictures of women with huge breasts
> *nationalist designs ('scotland forever' etc)
> *tribal designs taken from contempory cultues that are not your own
> *violent military designs
>
>i can imagine plenty of tats that would offend me - but haven't seen any
>
>have you?
>
>cheers
>
>will
Will,
Actually, yes I have seen one that I found offensive. It was in an old
issue of one of the tattoo mags. A young lady had a beautiful sleeve done
with pretty flowers, and right smack dab in the middle of it, she had a
bracelet tattooed that said "white power".
It was such a shame to see what would have been a beautiful tattoo marred
by this ignorance. Being a tattoo artist myself, I wouldn't have put that
on someone. There are things that I won't tattoo no matter what money is
offered.
Amy
Craig Soich CAS...@nauticom.net
Ambient Inc.
Stan <st...@bombay.gps.caltech.edu> wrote:
>Ambient Inc. wrote:
>> I personally dislike the flash aspect that some tribal pieces have
>> taken. I dislike flash, and making a culturally-specific piece
>Like that tribal-tattoo-looking design that I've seen on the
>Windows NT server box?
Gee. Dunno. Never seen one!
Ar matey!
Ambient Inc.
gib...@ix.netcom.com(Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones) wrote:
>>Easy for you to say, but harder to enact.
> I have a way. How about a button that says :" No I am NOT one of
>those goose stepping aryan only loving white son's of b*tches."
> I think a button says it all! 8)
Nice try, but no dice. There have been SHARPs (SkinHeads Against
Racial Prejudice) beaten up by black pride groups, even though they
sported anti-racist patches and buttons. Heck, cops have arrested
people with long hair (one was Chinese) and sporting anti racist
slogans and called them skinheads (!?!)
When blinded by rage, people rarely take the time to stop and read a
button.
It would be nice though, if a button would be all it took!
I used to wear a button on my bomber that read "Not a fascism
statement"
Ambient Inc.
CAS...@nauticom.net (Craig Soich) wrote:
> Actually, yes I have seen one that I found offensive. It was in an old
>issue of one of the tattoo mags. A young lady had a beautiful sleeve done
>with pretty flowers, and right smack dab in the middle of it, she had a
>bracelet tattooed that said "white power".
> It was such a shame to see what would have been a beautiful tattoo marred
>by this ignorance. Being a tattoo artist myself, I wouldn't have put that
>on someone. There are things that I won't tattoo no matter what money is
>offered.
I remember a friend tattoo artist had an uncle who was about to go to
jail in the Suthun US. The Uncle knew it was coming, so went to the
tattoo artist to cover up the swastikas he sported FAST!
I guess its quaint that at one time he felt so moved by his beliefs
that he had to immortalise it in ink. Such dedication is rare. But
what a dumb move in the first place.
Diana L. Cascioli
In article <57kphf$h...@shellx.best.com>,
Pirate Nick Baban <pir...@best.com> wrote:
>In article <57fifb$n...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>,
>Diana L. Cascioli <ra...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> wrote:
>[snip]
>>I just think there are so many things that are meaningful that could be
>>tattooed on a body besides a cartoon. I think they are usually really
>>cheezy and unoriginal.
> Who's to say that a cartoon character can't be meaningful? I happen to
>be the prooud owner of a Yosemite Sam on my left shoulder. And you know
>what? It means a lot to me. It works in with the whole pirate theme of the
>tattoos I have and are planning.
<snip>
> If you dislike cartoon characters, that's fine. But don't automatically
>assume that they are meaningless flash or "Cheezy and unoriginal". I've
>seen more celtic knots, dragons, flowers, and tribal work than all of the
>cartoon tats I've ever encountered. But saying that someone getting a
>dragon tattoo is unoriginal would raise some hackles.
Note that I said "usually." I know that some characters mean alot to some
people. If my sister decided to get the Warner Bros. Chicken Hawk guy, I
think it would be a perfect piece for her. She's tiny, but fiesty. :)
I was referring to more of the flash pieces - people go into a shop just
to have a tattoo (yuck) and don't know what to get, so they end up with
Bugs Bunny or Mickey Mouse or Snoopy. And these characters don't have any
meaning to them other than "I used to watch them on TV." :P
I'm glad your tattoos have meaning for you. That's what I like to hear
from people. I actually knew one girl who got a piece "just because all of
my friends have them". Grow up. All of *my* pieces have special magical
and personal meaning. I got them because they remind me of me. :)
YMMV. :)
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flying across in front of a beautiful sunset? And he's carrying a
beautiful rose in his beak, and also he's carrying a very beautiful
painting with his feet. And also, you're drunk. - Jack Handy
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Tattoo
Diana L. Cascioli wrote:
>
> I'm glad your tattoos have meaning for you. That's what I like to hear
> from people. I actually knew one girl who got a piece "just because all of
> my friends have them". Grow up. All of *my* pieces have special magical
> and personal meaning. I got them because they remind me of me. :)
Okay Diana, step down off the high horse. Everyones tattoos doesn't have
to have a special magical and/or personal meaning. Some of mine do, and
others I have because the design really impressed me. I realize there's
hordes of people out there that have tattoos without any forethought.
These are the same people who sooner or later will regret getting
tattooed, and will possibly bad-mouth tattooing to others. But you
shouldn't publicly berate someone about their tattoo or call it cheezy
because you don't like it. Everyone has different tastes and ideas, and
they are entitled to express them through a tattoo.
Little C
Tattoo (tat...@psbnewton.com) wrote:
: Diana L. Cascioli wrote:
: > I'm glad your tattoos have meaning for you. That's what I like to hear
: > from people. I actually knew one girl who got a piece "just because all of
: > my friends have them". Grow up. All of *my* pieces have special magical
: > and personal meaning. I got them because they remind me of me. :)
: Okay Diana, step down off the high horse. Everyones tattoos doesn't have
: to have a special magical and/or personal meaning.
I don't think that she was intending to be on "the high horse," I think that
she was just stating her opinion, and her personal reason for her body art.
I think that it's great that her tattoos "remind her of her," that's a
beautiful reason for getting inked/pierced/whatevered. This is *not* saying
that all other reasons are "bad" or "immature" or whatnot; it's just giving
a personal viewpoint. And, IMHO, people who do get bodmods just because
"everyone else is doing it" *are* using a slightly immature philosophy.
But, as was noted, those are those who generally regret getting the bodmod.
<shrug> To each their own. But I'm going to stand behind Diana on this
one. :)
-C.
Espen Berntsen
>It has indeed been discussed here before, but the issues complex. Is there
>ever really any such thing as being "outside" a culture? Do human cultures
>truly exist in separation from one another? Are we merely perpetuating the
Some tribes live in seperation from others. I heard earlier this year or
last year about a tribe discoverd in the india-austraiasia area (don't
remember where of course) that hadn't had contact with any other people.
Don't know what happened to them, but judging by the way we have delt with
tribes, I bet there are a ton of 'scientists' (don't remember the name,
antropologists?) down there, studying them, and tearing up their culture by
the roots.
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>After looking at the problem in some detail, i now think that our best hope
>for ending racism is the growth of 'in-between' people who aren't easily
>classified into existing groups. i know that it's not easy to be on the
>front lines like that, but breaking down the sharp group distinctions is
>absolutely essential if we're ever going to make any progress against
>prejudice.
Ah, my first posting to this group....
I would rather think that the best hope of ending racism is education (and
infact the Internet). It seems to me that the racists are low-middle class
with little or no education (and/or their children). If you tech people to
tink sitead of just teaching them how to do a specific task, they tend to
figure out for themselves that racism is crazy. That does not apply to the
few individuals that turns to racism to get power.
By using the Internet you discover that there are other cultures/people and
you learn something about them, regardless if you are interested or not.
Also by using IRC when you talk to people from all over the world, you can
suddenly discover that some ok people are from cultures you had no idea
existed, or had the wrong impressions from.
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> >got while in the Navy, but he doesn't flaunt it, so it's ok.
> >
> >BUT
> [snip]
> >
> >I just think there are so many things that are meaningful that could be
> >tattooed on a body besides a cartoon. I think they are usually really
> >cheezy and unoriginal.
> >
> >
> > - Diana
> >
Then......Pirate Nick Baban wrote:
>
> In article <57fifb$n...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>,
> Who's to say that a cartoon character can't be meaningful? I happen to
> be the prooud owner of a Yosemite Sam on my left shoulder. And you know
> what? It means a lot to me. It works in with the whole pirate theme of the
> tattoos I have and are planning.
>
> I thought long and hard about a theme. I searched back into my
> childhood and came up with an image I loved back then. it was Errol Flynn
> in Captain Blood. And so I got the Jolly Roger that was my first ink.
>
> I've got several more planned but one of them was indeed Yosemite Sam.
> He was always my favorite foil for Buggs Bunny as kid and I LOVED the ones
> where he showed up as a pirate. So I found an artists with a good design
> and had it done.
>
> If you dislike cartoon characters, that's fine. But don't automatically
> assume that they are meaningless flash or "Cheezy and unoriginal". I've
> seen more celtic knots, dragons, flowers, and tribal work than all of the
> cartoon tats I've ever encountered. But saying that someone getting a
> dragon tattoo is unoriginal would raise some hackles.
>
> But then, everyone is entitled to their opinion. :)
> Insert $.02 US
>
> --"Pirate Nick" Baban * PIR...@best.com--
> "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson
I have to agree with you Nick...I too am the proud owner of a cartoon
character...After always loving the ocean and mermaids as a child, I knew
that my theme would be oceans and mermaids on my back. I chose my all time
favorite movie "The Little Mermaid" as the theme. I could not picture
myself with the typical bare breasted sea farer type of mermaid and having
a custom drawn Little Mermaid scene with the other creatures ended up being
the best choice I made...
As long as your tattoo is something that you don't regret and has meaning
to you personally...who cares if it is a cartoon character?
-- Elise
"Los Angeles Munch December 8,.... YEAH! :) "
ube...@aol.com
who cares ... my father thinks the very idea of a tattoo is offensive .
the craze to be politcally correct in this country is a fuckin joke ..i
mean Tattoo Review will cover a picture of a swastika tattoo, and in the
same issue print a picture of two men engaged in the old 69 position ...
i mean really now, thats a bit silly.
I personally have tattooed anti- white tattoos on black folks and
anti-black tattoos on white folks... i guess what im trying to say is SO
WHAT ... if it offends you dont look at it .....
Thank you and goodnight
Brian ( FUCKEM IF THEY CANT TAKE A JOKE ) Ulrich
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57tmqn$c...@malasada.lava.net> la...@lava.net (Mama Lani) writes:
>
>Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones <gib...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
"In"
>>thing is DUMB. (oo.. people are going to jump on me for that one..)
>>DUMB DUMB.
>
>1. The act of getting one's first tattoo is akin to one's first
> sexual experience (some people think and plan for years; some get
> drunk and don't remember a thing...)
>2. WHAT tattoo you get is akin to bearing a child. Whether you put
care
> into the decision or not, you're still stuck with it forever.
>3. How your tattoo looks after 16 years is due in some part to how
much
> care you put into it.
>
>Taking the above into consideration, the idea of getting a tattoo
because
>everyone else is doing it, is as wise as getting pregnant for the
wrong
>reasons (or "it was accidental, even though we didn't use birth
control").
>
>If you accuse a person's act of getting a silly tattoo as dumb, you
are
>basically making a statement about the individual.
>
>--
>*Lani Teshima-Miller <la...@lava.net>: Unless otherwise stated, do not
I guess I am. I feel (uh-oh.. personal opinion coming on here) that if
a person is DUMB enough to get a tattoo JUST because it's the IN thing
to do...
Now.. if a person has ANOTHER reason .. (ie: getting it because it's
something THEY want to get, not JUST because it's IN) that's a
different story entirely.
and I've told people that to their faces before. BUT as I've said..
it's just my three cents worth.
Gibb..
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57pvsa$i...@nadine.teleport.com> bca...@teleport.com (boy brent)
writes:
>In article <57m6m8$5...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>,
> gib...@ix.netcom.com(Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones) wrote:
>: What I DO know is that in Washington state it is now illegal to
tattoo
>:a minor.. (under 18) even WITH parental permission...
>
>i believe it's only legal with a doctor's Rx...
>
>bca...@cse.ogi.edu | it will have a laugh track.
>
Excuse me.. but what the HECK kind of doctor would PRESCRIBE a minor a
tattoo? MAYBE a shrink.. but that's all I can think of.
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57uti1$h...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu> ra...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Diana L.
Cascioli) writes:
>I'm glad your tattoos have meaning for you. That's what I like to hear
>from people. I actually knew one girl who got a piece "just because
all of
>my friends have them". Grow up. All of *my* pieces have special
magical
>and personal meaning. I got them because they remind me of me. :)
>
>YMMV. :)
>
>-=-=-=-=-=-= Diana ^(raven)^ * http://www.geckoworld.com/~raven
People usually come up to me at work and ask why I got tattooed. I
have decided that the best answer is "because for years, I've been
doing things.. changing myself for other people.. so I would look nice
to them.. but I finally decided to be nice/beautiful for me. I like
them. I like the designs I have (all of them were hand drawn by
different artists for ME), and I like the way they make me
feel/look/be. Free."
they usually look at me in perplexed confusion and walk off.
Gibb..
Rhiannon -- Rhys-Jones
In <57urd3$r...@news.istar.ca> dex...@ambient.on.ca (Ambient Inc.)
writes:
Okay.. HEY.. how bout a TATTOO that says it! 8)
(sorry.. I'm being silly.. )
Seriously though, I see your point. hmmm.. )
gibb..