Aeon Flux.......American Animation is Excellent..............Aeon
Sean Wilson
Back then there was no speaking in it.. just action...
If any one else out there has seen it can they confirm my re-discovered
fandom....
The character design is original and excellent..
The story are unusual & original...
The violence is definitly adult...
So why don't many anime fans like it? Because there's no friggin lame
Japanese singing at the end?
Surely not..
Sean
Ben Cantrick (alias Macky Stingray)
I personally love it. I thought speaking might ruin Aeon Flux, but I was
wrong. It's just as weird, mysterious, enigmatic and thought-provoking as
ever.
However, it's probably not kawaii enough for the Satan Moon generation.
;]
-Ben
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Chris C. Lesley
: I've known about Aeon Flux for a few years since the first series on MTV
: Back then there was no speaking in it.. just action...
That's just the way I liked it, too. The new show is okay, but I think the
animation quality has suffered somewhat, probably from the time pressure of
producing longer episodes. I don't mind the addition of dialogue at all.
: If any one else out there has seen it can they confirm my re-discovered
: fandom....
I wish MTV would bring the whole "Liquid Television" show back; the variety
of animation styles and media was a real feast for the senses.
: The character design is original and excellent..
Agreed.
: The story are unusual & original...
True.
: The violence is definitly adult...
: So why don't many anime fans like it? Because there's no friggin lame
: Japanese singing at the end?
:
: Surely not..
: Sean
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Chris Johnston
: I've known about Aeon Flux for a few years since the first series on MTV
: Back then there was no speaking in it.. just action...
Actually, IMO, I prefer the original shorts that appeared during Liquid
TV rather than the new half hour series. The animation quality suffered
greatly during the transformation from short to series. The shorts were
a lot more detailed, and really well animated, much like anime is. The
TV series looks sloppy to me and not as detailed as it once was.
: The character design is original and excellent..
Yes, but the animation just isn't that thrilling anymore.
: So why don't many anime fans like it? Because there's no friggin lame
: Japanese singing at the end?
How date you refer to Japanese singing as "lame." ^_- I rather like the
Jpop songs at the beginning & end of the shows.
I like Aeon Flux in general, but the series just isn't as good. I don't
know what ruined it for me.
Chris
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peter lane
the char designs. I don't think the animation is that great either, but
there are plenty of anime titles I don't like the animation to either.
I was definately intrigued with it when it was first airing in the Liquid
TV format, but that was when I was more curious to see what was happening
next than anything else.
My opinion, nuff said.
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>Sean Wilson (S.Wi...@wlv.ac.uk) wrote:
>: I've known about Aeon Flux for a few years since the first series on MTV
>: Back then there was no speaking in it.. just action...
>That's just the way I liked it, too. The new show is okay, but I think the
>animation quality has suffered somewhat, probably from the time pressure of
>producing longer episodes. I don't mind the addition of dialogue at all.
Nor I. Aeon and Trevor's voices seem to fit them well, IMHO.
>: If any one else out there has seen it can they confirm my re-discovered
>: fandom....
>I wish MTV would bring the whole "Liquid Television" show back; the variety
>of animation styles and media was a real feast for the senses.
Ditto. That was one of the only shows I considered staying up late just to
watch.
>: The character design is original and excellent..
>Agreed.
Ditto. Nice twists on common stuff.
>: The story are unusual & original...
>True.
Some are kinda hard to follow, like the one about androids in your navel. That
one got me going "huh?"
>: The violence is definitly adult...
Just skating on the edge of MTV tho'...^_^
>: So why don't many anime fans like it? Because there's no friggin lame
>: Japanese singing at the end?
>:
>: Surely not..
Mostly I thought it was that noone understood it. I certainly like it.
However, they could use some new ep's quick.
And I did like the opening theme-just check out the .sig.
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Kuno-Sama
> I've known about Aeon Flux for a few years since the first series on MTV
> Back then there was no speaking in it.. just action...
Yes, at least they improved the formula a *bit* for the 30-minute series.
> If any one else out there has seen it can they confirm my re-discovered
> fandom....
>
> The character design is original and excellent..
There are about 10 character designs for the main players, and about three
for the background extras... The character design style turned my stomach,
but that's just MHO.
> The story are unusual & original...
Um, If "unusual & original" is shorthand for "has no discernable beginning or
end and lacks any sort of plot development", I would agree...
> The violence is definitly adult...
No, the violence is not adult. Unless the perpetrators get called to task for
their malsocial acts, the violence is childish.
> So why don't many anime fans like it? Because there's no friggin lame
> Japanese singing at the end?
> Surely not..
No, I, and most of the Otaku I know don't like it because it's poorly written,
poorly animated and poorly directed.
And, didn't we all enjoy those Bubblegum Crisis dubs after they got rid of
all that "friggin lame Japanese singing"?
> Sean
And don't bother asking me why I watch Aeon Flux if I think it's so bad. I
don't, anymore.
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Kevin O'Connell
: : The violence is definitly adult...
: : So why don't many anime fans like it? Because there's no friggin lame
: : Japanese singing at the end?
Well, it's probably because Aeon Flux is just this show that is
violence for the sake of violence. Anime fans who just want to see violence
are few and far between- violence fans can get their fill from western films.
It also has the look of Artsy Fartsy, which is also a turn off. If Aeon Flux
had characters people could care about, I'm sure the anime fans would
like it more. It has to be a mature story that stirs heart and soul,
which is one of the strong points about anime that western animation
companies don't understand, including the creators of Aeon Flux.
Lumraptor
Daryel M. Bush
> I've known about Aeon Flux for a few years since the first
> series on MTV Back then there was no speaking in it.. just
> action...
>
> discovered fandom....
>
> The character design is original and excellent..
>
>
>
> So why don't many anime fans like it? Because there's no
> friggin lame Japanese singing at the end?
Oh you're so cute. I'm sure there are some anime fans who like
Aeon Flux. They are probably the same people who like Angel Cop,
Adventure Kidd, Cyber City, Genocyber, Armitage III, etc.
I don't like Aeon Flux because it bores me to pieces, everyone
is so ugly the ogling scenes make me puke, the camera angles
are so dorky (in someone's mouth while their kissing?), all the
action is stupid and illogical (I'll just pass this hidden
document to the compartment in your tooth while we're french
kissing from two different space trains), and the scenes, pacing,
and so forth is so screwed that it trips over itself over and
over.
Then again, if all those "flaws" were corrected I'd still
probably not like this show because I just don't like this kind
of show. It's good to know people like it though because
someone is obviously putting a lot of effort into it.
...Daryel
Wesley
articles, and I see this article on Aeon Flux. I think "Cool! An Aeon
Flux fan!" So I read the article, and all it is is one big gripe to a
person who posted another article. Now, I'm new to the anime scene
(although I have seen some Ronin Warriors, two Project A-Ko movies, and
an episode of Sailor Moon), but I like Aeon Flux nonetheless. I can't
wait untill the Aeon Flux book comes out.
Wesley 8-{)
Spasmo
: I've known about Aeon Flux for a few years since the first series on MTV
: Back then there was no speaking in it.. just action...
: If any one else out there has seen it can they confirm my re-discovered
: fandom....
: The character design is original and excellent..
: The story are unusual & original...
: The violence is definitly adult...
: So why don't many anime fans like it? Because there's no friggin lame
: Japanese singing at the end?
Maybe because the artwork is crap and the whole series is nothing but
brainless point and shoot? I've seen Aeon Flux and it has to rate as one
of the worst shows that I've ever seen. I mean if you ignore the fact that
the artwork is garbage, the animation is nowhere near as good as anime,
and the plot is non-existent then MAYBE you could call it a halfway decent
show. Blah.
:
: Surely not..
: Sean
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>fandom....
Ive seen it, it is unusual to say the least.
>So why don't many anime fans like it? Because there's no friggin lame
>Japanese singing at the end?
Anime fans may not like it becaus it isnt anime. Anime, is animation
created in Japan. Im not sure what your beef is pal... I watch Aeon
Flux and I do like, but as I said it isnt anime.
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MattS1
(Kuno-Sama) writes:
>Yes, at least they improved the formula a *bit* for the 30-minute series.
Yeah? Well, in that case they made a major mixing error in that episode
where Aeon and Trevor end up in suspended animation a loooong way in the
future.
Definite dead-end for the series.
Now, THE HEAD is cool. THE MAXX was cool too, but they stopped making it.
l8r
Ben Cantrick (alias Macky Stingray)
I really miss "The Maxx." That series was excellent. Philosophical,
excellent VA's, just a little bit over the edge in terms of strangeness.
Jello
: excellent VA's, just a little bit over the edge in terms of strangeness.
have you read the comics? it's almost a direct translation... down to
using panel art for the animation... <of course, that was due to sam kieth
having absolute final word on everything>.
Jello
aka Aron Craig
Anime O-Tekku Treasurer.
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Daryel M. Bush
> TS...@acad1.alaska.edu (Kuno-Sama) writes:
>>Yes, at least they improved the formula a *bit* for the 30-minute
>>series.
>
> Yeah? Well, in that case they made a major mixing error in that
> episode where Aeon and Trevor end up in suspended animation a
> loooong way in the future.
> Definite dead-end for the series.
No, I think each episode of Aeon Flux is supposed to stand on its
own. There isn't a continuing plot. Wow, now that makes me want to
watch every episode.
> Now, THE HEAD is cool. THE MAXX was cool too, but they stopped
> making it. l8r
I don't like The Head at all. I thought it was just so uninspired.
The Maxx was well done, but I can take that much talking in 30
minutes. Have you seen the ad for the Aeon Flux book? It's funny.
...Daryel
Glen Wadleigh
>> Yeah? Well, in that case they made a major mixing error in that
>> episode where Aeon and Trevor end up in suspended animation a
>> loooong way in the future.
>> Definite dead-end for the series.
>
>No, I think each episode of Aeon Flux is supposed to stand on its
>own. There isn't a continuing plot. Wow, now that makes me want to
>watch every episode.
Yeah. From what I've read in interviews with Peter Chung, the show
definitely isn't about an ongoing plotline. The show is about the two
characters, Aeon and Trevor, and each episode basically is about a new
manifestation of their relationship. In some episodes they're enemies
and in others they're lovers. It seems to me that the characters'
relationships are screwed with simply to illustrate whatever ruminations
on creation the particular episode is about. Personally, I'd probably
like the show much more if I actually had time to pay attention to it.
Every time I see the show I'm studying for another test. But the concept
of the show definitely piques my interest.
>> Now, THE HEAD is cool. THE MAXX was cool too, but they stopped
>> making it. l8r
>
>I don't like The Head at all. I thought it was just so uninspired.
>The Maxx was well done, but I can take that much talking in 30
>minutes. Have you seen the ad for the Aeon Flux book? It's funny.
>...Daryel
I like The Head! It's very charming to me. I'm not quite as high on The
Maxx as most people but that's mainly because I had already read all the
comics. There's not much point to watching the show after you've
already read the comics as the two are virtually identical.
Andy (using Glen's account)
Daryel M. Bush
> The Maxx was well done, but I can take that much talking in 30
> minutes. Have you seen the ad for the Aeon Flux book? It's funny.
Oops, that's "I cannot take that much talking in 30 minutes."
...Daryel
Kevin L. Knoles
Flux discussion belongs in alt.tv.liquid-tv), yet I'm constantly contributing to
those same threads. I guess I'm a hypocrite or something.
Spasmo (cosc...@Bayou.UH.EDU) wrote:
:
: Maybe because the artwork is crap and the whole series is nothing but
: brainless point and shoot? I've seen Aeon Flux and it has to rate as one
: of the worst shows that I've ever seen. I mean if you ignore the fact that
: the artwork is garbage, the animation is nowhere near as good as anime,
: and the plot is non-existent then MAYBE you could call it a halfway decent
: show. Blah.
Just a few clarifications; Although the animation is sometimes very rough in
the third season, it was *excellent* all throughout the first two on Liquid TV,
and amazingly enough was Korean, not Japanese. *That* animation and artwork
surpasses all but a handful of anime, and I challenge you to name Japanese
television animation that surpasses it. The third season animation is by Mook,
a Japanese animation studio, and in a few episodes (Thanatophobia and Ether
Drift Theory come to mind.) has been some of American TV's finest, only equaled
by some of Mook's best work on SWAT Kats and the best animation on Gargoyles.
As others have indicated by now, your opinions about the plot are strongly
disagreed with. (They're also quite wrong.)
No, I don't collect kidvid, I'm an animation fan.
Kevin L. Knoles klk...@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu
Depressed
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Spasmo
: Sigh. I'm always criticizing others for posting a bit off topic (AEon
: Flux discussion belongs in alt.tv.liquid-tv), yet I'm constantly contributing to
: those same threads. I guess I'm a hypocrite or something.
: Spasmo (cosc...@Bayou.UH.EDU) wrote:
: :
: : Maybe because the artwork is crap and the whole series is nothing but
: : brainless point and shoot? I've seen Aeon Flux and it has to rate as one
: : of the worst shows that I've ever seen. I mean if you ignore the fact that
: : the artwork is garbage, the animation is nowhere near as good as anime,
: : and the plot is non-existent then MAYBE you could call it a halfway decent
: : show. Blah.
: Just a few clarifications; Although the animation is sometimes very rough in
: the third season, it was *excellent* all throughout the first two on Liquid TV,
: and amazingly enough was Korean, not Japanese. *That* animation and artwork
: surpasses all but a handful of anime, and I challenge you to name Japanese
: television animation that surpasses it. The third season animation is by Mook,
How about every anime I've seen? You don't seem to understand that the
art work is *BAD*. Bad by all standards. Bad by any comparison. Bad even
when compared to standard low grade American cartoons. Bad is bad. Animation
itself cannot compare. My answer would be the same as the above. Just about
everything I've seen (Japanese and otherwise) is better. If you do insist
on my using a specific name of something that is better then ok, how about
"Akira"? Or how about "Fatal Fury"? Or how about "Guyver: Out of Control?"
Or how about...
The list goes on and on. Aeon flux is trash. It cannot compare period.
: a Japanese animation studio, and in a few episodes (Thanatophobia and Ether
: Drift Theory come to mind.) has been some of American TV's finest, only equaled
: by some of Mook's best work on SWAT Kats and the best animation on Gargoyles.
SWAT Kats is *BAD*, although better than Aeon Flux--but then you'd have to
try really hard to find something worse than Aeon Flux. Aeon Flux has set
new records for Sucking.
The "people" in the show don't even look like people for crying out loud! They
look like torn up pieces of paper hastily glued together, if not worse!
: As others have indicated by now, your opinions about the plot are strongly
: disagreed with. (They're also quite wrong.)
Why don't you just re-read what you said? My opinions are wrong? They are
my opinions, which mean that they are immune to being right or wrong--they are
just that--opinions. Also if you've noticed, Aeon Flux has been getting a lot
of deserving insults. It seems you have selectively ignored those who realize
that Aeon Flux is a cruel joke.
: No, I don't collect kidvid, I'm an animation fan.
: Kevin L. Knoles klk...@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu
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(Depressed) wrote:
> Aeon Flux is done by a Korean-american and is animated in Korean.
<As opposed to being animated in English? ^_^>
Sorry, I just had to do that! Couldn't resist!
It's not
> really american.
>
>
>
>
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Chris C. Lesley
: Chris C. Lesley (cle...@mesa5.Mesa.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
: : : The violence is definitly adult...
: : : So why don't many anime fans like it? Because there's no friggin lame
: : : Japanese singing at the end?
: Well, it's probably because Aeon Flux is just this show that is
: violence for the sake of violence. Anime fans who just want to see violence
: are few and far between- violence fans can get their fill from western
: films.
: It also has the look of Artsy Fartsy, which is also a turn off. If Aeon
: Flux
: had characters people could care about, I'm sure the anime fans would
: like it more. It has to be a mature story that stirs heart and soul,
: which is one of the strong points about anime that western animation
: companies don't understand, including the creators of Aeon Flux.
: Lumraptor
Just to clarify things I want to point out that I did not make the above
comments, although I agree with the first comment if applied to the shorts
on Liquid Television. One of the strengths of the short episodes was the
ability of the animation and action to tell a story without dialogue. Let's
face it; the object of a one- or two-minute short isn't to tell a story as
much as it is to stimulate the eye and mind.
I think more anime fans would like the original series more than the longer
episodes, especially because the animation in the original is far superior.
The dialogue (in the new series) is okay, but in the longer episodes it takes
up, or tries to take up, the slack left by the inferior animation and action.
Lumraptor's comments on the characters and story of anime are right on
target, but the animated short is a different animal altogether. Western
animators would do well to heed the advice of the mathematician Gauss: "Few
but ripe." If they continue to crank out toy-pandering trash, they will
learn this lesson too late.
C.
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it is only evil that can profit." --- Ayn Rand
Daryel M. Bush
It's out! I saw it at Blockbuster Music a few weeks ago. It's really
well done and I bet you'll like it. Sorry but I think I might have been
one of the gripers you mentioned. I just don't care for this type of
show, but it is well done nonetheless. Maybe I should have left it alone.
Well, I hope you find the book soon. Have you seen the TV ad for it? I
think it is funny.
...Daryel
Kevin L. Knoles
: How about every anime I've seen? You don't seem to understand that the
: art work is *BAD*. Bad by all standards. Bad by any comparison. Bad even
: when compared to standard low grade American cartoons. Bad is bad. Animation
Etc. This...isn't worth it. I might say something along the lines
of "You can't see the forest through the trees and you own bias.", but "Spasmo"
here is a fanatic and there's little point in trying to argue with him or her.
I was hoping that maybe this was a post hastliy made and it isn't true of his
or her true personality, I've after all shot off my own mental mouth a few times
before and regretteted it. But I was wrong. (Given "Spasmo" 's track record,
s/he'll take that comment out of context and scream "Ha! Told ya so!" or
something cute like that.)
: : disagreed with. (They're also quite wrong.)
:
: Why don't you just re-read what you said? My opinions are wrong? They are
A good point. I didn't think this part through and elaborate. Opinions
can't really be wrong, but an opinion based on a faulty premise can be, sort
of. If I were to say "Animation can't be used to tell intelligent, meaningful
stories." or some other nonsense, then I would sincerely believe it, but I
would be mistaken nevertheless. "Spasmo" was contradicting facts (The
animation and artwork quality in AEon Flux *are* facts.)
OK, considering what I've typed so far maybe this is sort of worth it.
I'll wrap up.
The character designs in AEon Flux are base on sketches by Egon Schielle (I
think that's how you spell his name.) I recommend that everyone go to their
local libray and look at some of his work. It *is* art in the opinions of
leading art critics, and AEon Flux bears such a strong resemblance that I don't
see how one could accept Schielle's work as art and dismiss the look of AEon
Flux as "trash".
Count the follow-ups in the recent AEon Flux threads here. You'll see that
a majority are postive (in favor of the show), and don't forget the post that
started all this, a positive one.
I really find it hard to believe that "Spasmo" can care anything at
all about anime if s/he is so quick to hate AEon Flux (And if Spasmo would
identify his or her sex I could get rid of the gender ambiguous pronoun usage.)
That's all. I *might* make more follow-ups, but I don't look forward to it.
Sean Wilson
>: : Maybe because the artwork is crap and the whole series is nothing but
>: : brainless point and shoot? I've seen Aeon Flux and it has to rate as one
>: : of the worst shows that I've ever seen. I mean if you ignore the fact that
>: : the artwork is garbage,
The artwork is not garbage by any stretch of the imagination...
Then take Legend of the four Kings , Guyver etc......they are shite.
>>the animation is nowhere near as good as anime
-A bit general dont you think?
>: : and the plot is non-existent then MAYBE you could call it a halfway decent show. .
The plot are always on a higher level...maybe you can't comprehend them.
A LOT better than many , many animes I've seen (I've seen the full range)
, it was *excellent* all throughout the first two on Liquid TV,
>:and amazingly enough was Korean,
Not too amazing....Koreans paint most of the fave shows (Sailor M. AMG)
>not Japanese. *That* animation and artwork surpasses all but a handful >of anime, and I challenge you to name Japanese television =
animation that >surpasses it.
I agree....
>The third season animation is by Mook,
This is true ...the animation is not so good now, I was talking chara
designs which are brilliant , I think Mook have done an excellent job..
the stories are great , and if you dont think so ,well you been watching
to much samey anime.
> No, I don't collect kidvid, I'm an animation fan.
I hope you dont mean to say Aeon is Kidvid - its anything but that.
Sean
Spasmo
: : How about every anime I've seen? You don't seem to understand that the
: : art work is *BAD*. Bad by all standards. Bad by any comparison. Bad even
: : when compared to standard low grade American cartoons. Bad is bad. Animation
: Etc. This...isn't worth it. I might say something along the lines
: of "You can't see the forest through the trees and you own bias.", but "Spasmo"
: here is a fanatic and there's little point in trying to argue with him or her.
: I was hoping that maybe this was a post hastliy made and it isn't true of his
: or her true personality, I've after all shot off my own mental mouth a few times
If you are done trying to cloud the issue through mindless name calling maybe
you could try saying something intelligent? Better still, why not answer a
few questions such as:
1) How you determined that I am a "fanatic"?
2) What is this "bias" that you speak of? Or better still, since
I have a general idea of what this "bias" is, how you managed
to come to the conclusion that I am afflicted with it.
3) How my personality fits into this
4) Does every dissenting opinion meet with such a condescending
response such as yours?
I sincerely hope you answer the above questions intelligently, and with no
irrelevant rambling.
: before and regretteted it. But I was wrong. (Given "Spasmo" 's track record,
: s/he'll take that comment out of context and scream "Ha! Told ya so!" or
: something cute like that.)
Oh my, so I now have a track record? Well that adds in another question,
and namely that is what is this track record? Let's go further and see
how you arrived at the conclusion that this (whatever it is that you are
speaking of) is in fact my track record. And while we are at it let's
see how many times you witnessed me indulging in said behavior so that
you could manage to conclude that it was indicative of some track record.
Why is it that people like you can never manage to intelligently argue a
point, but must resort to name calling? I suspect you won't be able to answer
any of my questions satisfactorily, or will resort to lying (a small step
down from what you are currently doing).
: : : disagreed with. (They're also quite wrong.)
: :
: : Why don't you just re-read what you said? My opinions are wrong? They are
: A good point. I didn't think this part through and elaborate. Opinions
: can't really be wrong, but an opinion based on a faulty premise can be, sort
: of. If I were to say "Animation can't be used to tell intelligent, meaningful
: stories." or some other nonsense, then I would sincerely believe it, but I
: would be mistaken nevertheless. "Spasmo" was contradicting facts (The
: animation and artwork quality in AEon Flux *are* facts.)
Whoah, artwork quality in Aeon Flux a fact? Gee, so if you say that Aeon
Flux has great artwork no one can argue with you because it's a fact? Ok
then why not prove to us that the art work is in fact good. I expect a full
mathematical proof--something that can conclusively demonstrate to ALL that
Aeon Flux has good art work and that can stand up to scrutiny. Come on you
claimed it was a fact, prove it. You made your bed now sleep in it.
Oh, but how could I avoid the rest of your paragraph?
Ok, let's break apart this little gem. An opinion based on a faulty premise
eh? Now what is this faulty premise? I stated that I did not like Aeon
Flux's art work, animation, or "plot". Now let's see, are these facts? No.
Do you want me to explain why they aren't? I hope not. Ok, let's go on.
Faulty premises. Hmmmmm, I have an opinion on a matter, and this opinion
is based on what I consider to be good. This opinion is fueled by my
senses. My senses tell me that Aeon Flux has bad artwork (I have eyes you
know). The same senses tell me that Aeon Flux has crappy animation. And
my mental processes tell me that what there is of a plot stinks. So where
are the faulty premises, or are you going to take a cheap shot and say that
maybe my senses are off? I wouldn't put it below you.
: OK, considering what I've typed so far maybe this is sort of worth it.
: I'll wrap up.
: The character designs in AEon Flux are base on sketches by Egon Schielle (I
: think that's how you spell his name.) I recommend that everyone go to their
: local libray and look at some of his work. It *is* art in the opinions of
: leading art critics, and AEon Flux bears such a strong resemblance that I don't
: see how one could accept Schielle's work as art and dismiss the look of AEon
: Flux as "trash".
So the fact that critics supposedly consider the work to be "art" means that
all of us should blindly accept it as art? I don't know about you but
the rest of us folks have something called *FREE WILL*. We like what we
like, and not because some figures with "authority" claim it is good. If you
in fact expect us to bow down and call Aeon Flux good because critics claim
it is, then not only should you be prepared to be dissapointed, but you are
living a horrible life, a life of a sheep. Join the flock. Don't think
for yourself. The critics say it's good, and they are God. Rejoice!
: Count the follow-ups in the recent AEon Flux threads here. You'll see that
: a majority are postive (in favor of the show), and don't forget the post that
: started all this, a positive one.
Ditto.
: I really find it hard to believe that "Spasmo" can care anything at
: all about anime if s/he is so quick to hate AEon Flux (And if Spasmo would
: identify his or her sex I could get rid of the gender ambiguous pronoun usage.)
Oh so now my hatred of Aeon Flux means I hate anime? Once again tell us all
how you arrived at this conclusion *yawn, this is getting old, your baseless
claims*. And how would my gender affect this?
: That's all. I *might* make more follow-ups, but I don't look forward to it.
You shouldn't have posted then.
Sean Wilson
Aeon is excellent , and the book is very good too.
I just couldnt help pointing out what seemed so very illogical.
Sean
Sean Wilson
Sonya Choi Lee
Depressed <depr...@aol.com> wrote:
>Aeon Flux is done by a Korean-american and is animated in Korean. It's not
>really american.
Dear clue...@aol.com,
Although you are probably not aware of just how *racist* and *bone-stupid*
this comment is, I'd like to point out that it is possible for immigrants
to become "Americans" just like you and me. Although I'm not sure if
Peter Chung is a citizen, I highly suspect that he is. But the fact that
you call him a "Korean-American" and yet still manage to say he is not
"really American" is very disturbing. I'm sorry, but America never was
and never shall be a homogenous white society.
In addition, Aeon Flux is created by a team of Americans. It is merely
animated by Koreans (much like the Simpsons). Your statement is an
insult to these Americans.
Sonya
ShojoJoe
of anime ,and the story is a little too perverted( the make kissing look
sooooo sick).
Jason Choi
: I've known about Aeon Flux for a few years since the first series on MTV
: Back then there was no speaking in it.. just action...
: If any one else out there has seen it can they confirm my re-discovered
: fandom....
: The character design is original and excellent..
: The story are unusual & original...
: The violence is definitly adult...
: So why don't many anime fans like it? Because there's no friggin lame
: Japanese singing at the end?
:
They should call it 'Aeon' Sux cos its storyboard is so obscure
it leaves you wondering what the heck is happening all the time. Try to
compare Aeon Flux to say, Crying Freeman, Aeon would'nt stand up to hardly
any anime's, period. I like the art though...But who cares if anime fans
don't like it? As long as you like it, thats all that counts.
Just my two Yiens worth..
Jason
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Ernest Mesa
>it leaves you wondering what the heck is happening all the time. Try to
>compare Aeon Flux to say, Crying Freeman, Aeon would'nt stand up to
hardly
>any anime's, period. I like the art though...But who cares if anime fans
>don't like it? As long as you like it, thats all that counts.
>
>Just my two Yiens worth..
>
>Jason
Hey its not american its Korean. The creator is and the animators are and
I like the show.
ShojoJoe
: Japanese singing at the end?<<
What american show do you know that has a great theme song ?
Friends.... YEAH , right .... The Rembrants are Soooooooooooooooooooooooo
COOL !!! Oh....., by the way I am being sacrastic.
Joe
P.S. There is no such thing as American animation other than Disney ,
everything else is Korean.
Jerome Tan
You know what I thought would have been a good animation that was made
by Americans? It's the Dungeon & Dragons. Too bad it was cut off, it
sure was one of the best. Plot, and animation wise...
Aleph Press
ShojoJoe (shoj...@aol.com) wrote:
: P.S. There is no such thing as American animation other than Disney ,
: everything else is Korean.
So is most Japanese animation nowadays.
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