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Nausicaa of The Valley Of The Wind: How good?

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Daniel Bloomfield Ramagem

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Jan 26, 1993, 7:04:40 PM1/26/93
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Ok, so the first word that comes to mind with Nausicaa is classic. At least
thats what a lot of mags out there claim. I haven't seen it myself, and
was wondering if Nausicaa would be a nice addition to a very-near-future
extremely selective (i.e. low in cash :) LD collection. I've heard that
the animation itself isn't all that espectacular but the story and characters
are superb! Anyone care to comment?

dAn(!)
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Gil W. Lau

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Jan 26, 1993, 10:36:34 PM1/26/93
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In a previous article, dan...@wam.umd.edu (Daniel Bloomfield Ramagem) says:

>Ok, so the first word that comes to mind with Nausicaa is classic.

Along with superb, awesome, etc.

>was wondering if Nausicaa would be a nice addition to a very-near-future
>extremely selective (i.e. low in cash :) LD collection.

You's better believe it! It would be one of the first ones I'd get.

> I've heard that
>the animation itself isn't all that espectacular but the story and characters
>are superb! Anyone care to comment?
>

Who said the animation isn't all that great? Miyazaki really has an eye
for detail (as far as movements and motion goes). It's just incredible,
like all his films. It's my favorite Miyazaki film (please, no
Nausicaa vs. Laputa or Kiki vs. Totoro threads!). The story as
presented by the movie is excellent by itself, but it is only a very
small portion (and quite modified) of Miyazaki's on-going manga
of the same name.

-- Gil

Yoshih Lee

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Jan 27, 1993, 4:42:40 AM1/27/93
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In article <1k5002...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> bp...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Gil W. Lau) writes:
>
>In a previous article, dan...@wam.umd.edu (Daniel Bloomfield Ramagem) says:
>
>>was wondering if Nausicaa would be a nice addition to a very-near-future
>>extremely selective (i.e. low in cash :) LD collection.
>
>You's better believe it! It would be one of the first ones I'd get.

Having not seen "Nausicaa" on the big screen, I can only re-iterate from
others that the LD transfer wasn't exceptional, although I have not cross-
referenced this with any art books yet. Being the last Miyazaki movie in
mono sound, I find myself listening for stereo effects that just aren't
there in the first place. Wouldn't it be nice if this LD was re-released
in 1994, re-recorded in stereo surround (including special effects, and
Joe Hisaishi's rich music), maybe as some 5-sided 2-disc CAV format, as
some 10th anniversary thing? Just dreaming.

Otherwise, an excellent film to purchase! IMHO, you can never really
go wrong with Hayao Miyazaki.


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We are mercenaries of Hell!" . . . Shin Kazama
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Jason Fubler Harvey

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Jan 27, 1993, 8:16:22 AM1/27/93
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In a previous article, dan...@wam.umd.edu (Daniel Bloomfield Ramagem) says:

That hit's the nail right on the head. You won't be disappointed by buying
the LD. It's one of my all time favorite movies. Try Laputa too..

-Jei

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Darin Johnson

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Jan 28, 1993, 8:20:26 PM1/28/93
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Personally, although Nausicaa is great, I though Laputa was much
better, plotwise and artwise. No firm reasons why, since I'm
horrible as a critic; but Nausicaa seemed about 15 minutes too
long.
--
Darin Johnson
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Where am I? In the village... What do you want? Information...

rmc

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Jan 29, 1993, 9:22:49 AM1/29/93
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Hmm, actually my first LD was Miyazaki Hayao's "Laputa". "Nausicaa"
was one of the first translated manga i read, and i found some of the
differences between the story lines in the manga and the anime
disturbing. I like Princess Kurama, and she seems not well handled in
the anime. I think "god warriors" are pretty impressive, and the
anime made it pretty easily defeated. Laputa also has the advantage
of having more short scenes that can be quickly viewed if you don't
want to spend the time on a full length movie.

And of course there's always "Kiki's Delivery Service". My tape of
this is my second most-loaned tape (behind only "Kyuuketsuhime Miyu",
natch.) The story has better character development than any of the
other Miyazaki stories (not surprising, as Kiki's growth is the whole
point of the story), the art and animation are at least as good as the
others, you still get flying things and there's no fighting. (Well,
the latter may be a reason why some people like "Kiki" less than other
works by Miyazaki-san.) In many LD catalogues, "Kiki's Delivery
Service" is listed by the title "Witch's Delivery Service".

So your mileage may vary, but i would choose "Kiki" or "Laputa" over
"Nausicaa" if i wanted just one Miyazaki LD.

R Mark Chilenskas
r...@wang.com

E. Kontei

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Jan 29, 1993, 12:42:45 PM1/29/93
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In article <RMC.93Ja...@miyazaki.wang.com>, r...@wang.com (rmc) writes:
[Re: NAUSICAA]

> I like Princess Kurama, and she seems not well handled in the anime.

[I'll assume you meant "Kushana" up there. "Kurama" is that crow-princess
from URUSEI YATSURA.]

What do you mean "not well handled"? I thought she was handled rather
nicely, even if there wasn't time to flesh out her characterization.
--
E n r i q u e C o n t y
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E. Kontei

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Jan 29, 1993, 12:38:33 PM1/29/93
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In article <44...@sdcc12.ucsd.edu>, djoh...@cs.ucsd.edu (Darin Johnson) writes:
> Personally, although Nausicaa is great, I though Laputa was much
> better, plotwise and artwise. No firm reasons why, since I'm
> horrible as a critic; but Nausicaa seemed about 15 minutes too
> long.

I disagree. NAUSICAA had its problems (mostly because Miyazaki was trying
to cram all that manga plot into one movie), but pacing isn't one of them.

Paul M. Aoki

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Feb 1, 1993, 11:22:34 AM2/1/93
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r...@wang.com (rmc) writes:
>And of course there's always "Kiki's Delivery Service". My tape of
>this is my second most-loaned tape (behind only "Kyuuketsuhime Miyu",
>natch.)

Speaking of Miyu, in my role as West Coast Miyu evangelist I scanned some
images from various places and left them in the /anime-manga/upload directory
at venice.mps.ohio-state.edu. They are:

size name
558278 miyu-veil.tif cover pic from box of OAV #2
383179 miyu-ranka.tif cel pic of Ranka in front of cherry trees
331949 miyu-peek.tif cover watercolor from Film Collection #2 **
409744 miyu-dark.tif watercolor from the original Vampire Miyu manga

Obviously, they're TIFFs. They're big because I use them as X root windows
(I like fine detail ^_^) but you can always cut and convert as desired (and
xv understands TIFFs just fine).

Also, if anyone cares, I also left:

990082 amg-cover5.tif cover of Aa! Megami-sama! manga #5

which is definitely my favorite piece of Fujishima's color art.

These files are so big, I'm sure someone's going to get mad and delete them
soon ^_^ so get 'em quick if you're interested.

** I confess to having dorked a bit with the color map on this one to
make the colors brighter (it looked too washed out on my display).
Apologies to anyone who thinks I overdid it.
--
Paul M. Aoki | CS Div., Dept. of EECS, UCB | ao...@postgres.Berkeley.EDU
| Berkeley, CA 94720 | ...!uunet!ucbvax!aoki

rmc

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Feb 1, 1993, 2:22:33 PM2/1/93
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co...@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) asks me:

>In article <RMC.93Ja...@miyazaki.wang.com>, r...@wang.com (rmc) writes:
>[Re: NAUSICAA]
>> I like Princess Kurama, and she seems not well handled in the anime.
>
>[I'll assume you meant "Kushana" up there. "Kurama" is that crow-princess
>from URUSEI YATSURA.]
>
>What do you mean "not well handled"? I thought she was handled rather
>nicely, even if there wasn't time to flesh out her characterization.

Hmm, my memory of Kushana-sama from the Viz translation of the manga
is as a person who crams as much mercy into her decisions as she can,
given that she is a political heavy weight where a weak contender is a
dead contender.

Now in the manga, there are lots of things to support this that
Miyazaki didn't have time for in the anime. For example, her handling
of the sycophant sent by her brothers to spy on (i mean "advise") her.
Or the deal she strikes with Nausicaa to free the prisoners if
Nausicaa will help buy time wrecking the siege cannons. I'm sure
there are other examples, as the two above aren't strong enough to
give me such a solid opinion, but those are the ones that come
immediately to mind.

This view of Kushana-sama is contradicted by the tank invasion of the
Valley of the Wind in the anime version. It's stupid to invade a
confirmed ally until they significantly mis-behave. Miyazaki clearly
believed that the valley folk would send their gunboat and fulfill
their treaty obligations without direct military force; that's how he
played it in the manga. Kushana-sama isn't going to damage a known
ally by tearing up their fields and blowing up their wind mills. It's
politically stupid, which she is not. Kushana-sama would try to find
a "merciful" solution based on shared interests or implied threats
first, as she did in the manga.

Can you handle this level of complexity in an anime? I don't know
that you could show the positive aspect of the personality, but at
least you could avoid the out-of-character blunder.

R Mark Chilenskas
r...@wang.com

E. Kontei

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Feb 1, 1993, 5:01:42 PM2/1/93
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In article <RMC.93Fe...@miyazaki.wang.com>, r...@wang.com (rmc) writes:
> co...@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (E. Kontei) asks me:
>
[Re: Princess Kushana]

>
> >What do you mean "not well handled"? I thought she was handled rather
> >nicely, even if there wasn't time to flesh out her characterization.
>
[Some nice argumentation as to why Kushana is so out-of-character
as compared to the manga deleted.]

The film's Kushana is a lot more hard-edged than the manga version, probably
because Miyazaki wanted to have a conflict *fast*. Of course, we do get
to see her more "human" side later on...

But I see your point. Yet another reason why NAUSICAA fails as an adaptation
of the manga.

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