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Jerry Shaw  
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 More options Sep 15 1995, 3:00 am
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From: js...@deltanet.com (Jerry Shaw)
Date: 1995/09/15
Subject: Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions
mathe...@ix.netcom.com (Ryan Mathews ) wrote:

> I'm rather stunned that they kept the
>original theme melody.  As far as I know, that's the first time that's
>been done for an American television adaptation of an anime.
>--
>                    ---------- Ryan Mathews

Ryan,

Astro Boy and Speed Racer had the original melody lines.

Jerry


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From: david...@imap1.asu.edu
Date: 1995/09/15
Subject: Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions
Ken Arromdee (arrom...@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu) wrote:

: In article <435i7f$...@ixnews7.ix.netcom.com>,
: Ryan Mathews  <mathe...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: >I'm rather stunned that they kept the
: >original theme melody.  As far as I know, that's the first time that's
: >been done for an American television adaptation of an anime.

: Star Blazers.

And Speed Racer.

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Ken Arromdee  
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From: arrom...@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Date: 1995/09/15
Subject: Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions
In article <60.63362.4150.0N1F4...@canrem.com>,

Mike Sprague <mike.spra...@canrem.com> wrote:
>2. DIC has  invented a  "name game"  of it's  own for  the US
>version, which is a running gag about the letters L and R, in
>reference to the show's  Japanese origins.  Often, names have
>the letter L replaced with an R, or vice versa. (Particularly
>Jadeite's  servants  early on,  who were often  common female
>names with the L/R switched  around - "Fro" and "Molgan"). So
>you could say that the "Selena"  reference is there, but it's
>a purely American invention and was NOT there in the original
>Japanese version.

If DIC is putting R's in the US version where there should be L's, and vice
versa, then that _confirms_ the Selenity name in the original--it originally
had an 'l' and DIC is changing it by changing it to an 'r'.

(However, my personal opinion is that DIC simply didn't bother researching
any of the names.  They also have Jadeite pronounced as "Jedite", which is
a Japanese mangling of an English word--DIC apparently didn't realize that
Jadeite's name was supposed to be a real English word and so kept the mangled
pronunciation.)

>  Well, that's just my  argument - I'm sure  that people  who
>think it should be  "Selenity" could come  up with a bunch of
>their own, so before  this turns into  another  massive noise
>thread, how about just  updating the FAQ to mention that it's
>POSSIBLE that she could be named  after the  Sea of Serenity.
>After all, it  could be that the author  was very  clever and
>managed to combine both references  into one name, exploiting
>the L/R thing ...

Okay, I'll mention it.
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Heffalump  
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From: n9344...@honeydew.cc.wwu.edu (Heffalump)
Date: 1995/09/16
Subject: Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions

>>         I finally got to hear the opening...the singing quality is on
>> par wiith seiyuu singing. ^_^
>I guess the SINGING is okay, but it's a fairly mediocre song.

Eck.  I thought it sounded like they picked some drunk 16 year old off
the street. . .

Mike

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Mike Breen  
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From: mi...@usa1.com (Mike Breen)
Date: 1995/09/16
Subject: Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions
Jerry Shaw wrote about Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions:

>> I'm rather stunned that they kept the
>>original theme melody.  As far as I know, that's the first time that's
>>been done for an American television adaptation of an anime.
>Astro Boy and Speed Racer had the original melody lines.

Didn't they keep the original melody line for Star Blazers too?

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Discussion subject changed to "US S.Moon OP addictions: WHY?????!" by Harry W Reed II
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From: harry...@crl.com (Harry W Reed II)
Date: 1995/09/16
Subject: Re: US S.Moon OP addictions: WHY?????!

F. Pelayo (fpel...@chat.carleton.ca) wrote:

: "Fighting evil by Moonlight!..."

: AAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!  Get thee away, Satan!

Shikkari!  There are those of us who at the opening chords of the US SM
OP hear in their minds:

"GOMEN ne sunao ja nakute..."

Kyle


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Discussion subject changed to "Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)" by Thomas Stovicek
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From: tstov...@chat.carleton.ca (Thomas Stovicek)
Date: 1995/09/17
Subject: Re: Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)

Timothy Hong (shen...@sirius.pixi.com) wrote:
> I think whoever thought up the American names just didn't bother to read
> the transcripts.  In the very first prelogue, they mention that the
> pricess's name is Serena.  Then it start into the series and we find out
> that Serena is Sailor Moon.  However, Sailor Moon is not the princess,
> because Luna is constantly reminding Serena job is to search for and
> protect the princess.

He's right, that's what I under stood. i think the problem came from
this :

In the opening ( at least in Canada) There's a girl with sailor moon's
hair but a pink frilly dress. She's there a few times. It's possible
the translators though she was sailor moon and so named her Serena.

And if so, how are they going to fix it?

Tom


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Ken Arromdee  
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From: arrom...@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Date: 1995/09/17
Subject: Re: Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)
In article <DF2JKL....@cunews.carleton.ca>,

Thomas Stovicek <tstov...@chat.carleton.ca> wrote:
>In the opening ( at least in Canada) There's a girl with sailor moon's
>hair but a pink frilly dress. She's there a few times. It's possible
>the translators though she was sailor moon and so named her Serena.
>And if so, how are they going to fix it?

Spoiler warning.

She _is_ Sailor Moon.

Sailor Moon is the princess.  (And doesn't know it.)

In the original Japanese version, they were looking for the princess just like
in this version.  However, in the original Japanese version, the princess was
named Selenity (or Serenity; let's not get into that argument), while Sailor
Moon's civilian name was Usagi, so they had different names and it's
reasonable they might not realize the princess was right there all along.

The dub decided to use "Serena" for both Sailor Moon's civilian name and for
her name as a princess.  It's the same person, but in the original it
wasn't the same name.
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Enrique Conty  
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 More options Sep 19 1995, 3:00 am
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From: co...@rtsg.mot.com (Enrique Conty)
Date: 1995/09/19
Subject: Re: Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)

In article <DF2JKL....@cunews.carleton.ca> tstov...@chat.carleton.ca (Thomas Stovicek) writes:
>Timothy Hong (shen...@sirius.pixi.com) wrote:
>> I think whoever thought up the American names just didn't bother to read
>> the transcripts.

Actually, they did.

>> However, Sailor Moon is not the princess, because Luna is constantly
>> reminding Serena job is to search for and protect the princess.

<HUGE grin>  Would Luna recognize the princess if she saw her?
She didn't recognize Sailor Mercury... keep watching, my friend.

>And if so, how are they going to fix it?

You assume there's something wrong.  Keep watching.  ^_^
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Discussion subject changed to "US Sailor Moon -- my opinions" by Alan Takahashi
Alan Takahashi  
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From: takah...@ntmtv.com (Alan Takahashi)
Date: 1995/09/20
Subject: Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions
In article <438g1t$...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
B E Verins <bever...@aol.com> wrote:

>->> The English version of Moonlight Denseitsu is not too bad, but I don't
>  like the way the rearrangement is done, besides, they removes most of
>  the chords from the music, it makes the song really plain and dull.<<

>You mean the ORIGINAL SONG is EVEN MORE ADDICTIVE???? Ai yai yai.!!!

Heh heh heh... :-)

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Discussion subject changed to "Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)" by Ernest Kim
Ernest Kim  
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From: kuja...@ix.netcom.com (Ernest Kim )
Date: 1995/09/21
Subject: Re: Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)
In <43o4rv$...@mark.ucdavis.edu> ez062...@dale.ucdavis.edu (Carson
Wilcox) writes:

> Are they introducing the new Sailors more rapidly than the origional?

> Sailor Mars shows up what...2 episodes after Sailor Mercury?

> Russell Wilcox
>  Before you can laugh at others you must learn how to laugh at

yourself.

Yeah, DIC's skipping episodes throughout the season.

Kujakuo


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Iskandar Taib  
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From: nt...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Date: 1995/09/26
Subject: Re: Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)
In article <439pd3$...@newdelph.cig.mot.com>,

Enrique Conty <co...@rtsg.mot.com> wrote:
>In article <437e4l$...@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu> arrom...@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:

>>Usagi's American name is directly derived from her Japanese name as a
>>princess, and it's _supposed_ to be "Selenity".

>You're going to hate me for this, Ken, but...

>Where's the proof?  I always thought it was "Queen Serenity"...
>that makes more sense anyway for a character's name...

Apparently its in some Japanese magazine or another. The name is based
on "Selene", the moon goddess of ancient Greece.

Mind you, I prefer "Serenity" myself.. but both have problems, IMHO..

"Selenity" sounds too much like "Salinity", and "Serenity" sounds too
much like a certain brand of underwear..

^O^

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Iskandar Taib  
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From: nt...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Date: 1995/09/26
Subject: Re: Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)
In article <43grhh$...@rigel.pixi.com>,

Anyone who bases their arguments on the American version should be
aware that they've hacked up the beginning of the series. In the
Japanese series, you do NOT get to see a lot of the stuff you see in
Episode 1, nor are you supposed to KNOW a lot of the stuff, until
close to the END of the series. So the apparent contradiction you list
above is no contradiction at all...

In other words, they practically give the entire game away at the
beginning.

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James Baranovich  
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From: hh...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (James Baranovich)
Date: 1995/09/26
Subject: Re: Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)

In a previous article, nt...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) says:

>Mind you, I prefer "Serenity" myself.. but both have problems, IMHO..

>"Selenity" sounds too much like "Salinity", and "Serenity" sounds too
>much like a certain brand of underwear..

That Depends ....

<having difficulty, anoo, "controlling" my amusement at the puns>

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Iskandar Taib  
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From: nt...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Date: 1995/09/27
Subject: Re: Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)
In article <449neo$...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,

James Baranovich <hh...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu> wrote:

>In a previous article, nt...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib) says:

>>Mind you, I prefer "Serenity" myself.. but both have problems, IMHO..

>>"Selenity" sounds too much like "Salinity", and "Serenity" sounds too
>>much like a certain brand of underwear..

>That Depends ....

><having difficulty, anoo, "controlling" my amusement at the puns>

*GROAN*

(Thats about as bad as Tuxedo Kamen's entrance in the "S" movie..)

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Dave Brown  
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From: dbr...@armf18.dow.on.doe.ca (Dave Brown)
Date: 1995/09/28
Subject: Re: Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)
In article <44ac79$...@knot.queensu.ca>,
Your_Name <your_use...@qlink.queensu.ca> wrote:

:  BTW, the quality of Sailor Moon in US is REALLY poor compared to that in
: Japan...

I think you're whining then.  What is there about the Japanese
show that makes it so much better than the American one?  Better
backgrounds?  Better animation?  (Yes, I WAS being sarcastic, for
those people that can't tell, and I know you're out there, from last
time I attempted sarcasm.)

There are good episodes and bad episodes.  Some episodes downright
stink.  In Japan as well as in the US.  I personally get really
tired of the "Japan can go no wrong" attitude which I see so much
around here.  It's just plain not true, and makes no sense.

If you really want, you can consider the US and the Japanese shows to
be two entirely different things.  That way you can say, "Boy I hate
that show Sailor Moon, but I really like that show Bishojo Senshi
Sailor Moon."  Helps if you can find fansubs.  Or can speak Japanese.

--Dave
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Discussion subject changed to "US Sailor Moon -- my opinions" by Harry W Reed II
Harry W Reed II  
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From: harry...@crl.com (Harry W Reed II)
Date: 1995/09/29
Subject: Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions

: (What I can't figure out is.. Artemis. Thats a _female_ name ^o^)

You might want to tell that to Jim West's pal in the old TV show "Wild,
Wild West".  *His* name was Artemis Gordon.

Kyle


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Discussion subject changed to "Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)" by Ken Arromdee
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From: arrom...@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Date: 1995/09/30
Subject: Re: Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)
In article <44ipg8$...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,
Michael S. Johnson <m...@saul5.u.washington.edu> wrote:

>The author, Naoko Takeuchi, took the name from the GEOGRAPHICAL location on
>the moon Mare SERENITUS (or is that serenititus?), the "sea of serenity",
>this is near the "sea of tranquility" where Apollo 11's Eagle landed. The
>only mention of Selena in the manga is when Queen Serenity calls her power
>into the Silver Crystal (Ginsuisho/Empyrean, take your pick :), her being
>the goddes of the Moon, of course, not her daughter, who is also named
>Serenity.  You can find all this in the manga.

It would be interesting to know how you distinguish references to "selenity"
and "serenity" in the manga when in Japanese they would be spelled the same.

In any case, where exactly in the manga is this reference?
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Michael S. Johnson  
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From: m...@saul5.u.washington.edu (Michael S. Johnson)
Date: 1995/09/30
Subject: Re: Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)

The author, Naoko Takeuchi, took the name from the GEOGRAPHICAL location on
the moon Mare SERENITUS (or is that serenititus?), the "sea of serenity",
this is near the "sea of tranquility" where Apollo 11's Eagle landed. The
only mention of Selena in the manga is when Queen Serenity calls her power
into the Silver Crystal (Ginsuisho/Empyrean, take your pick :), her being
the goddes of the Moon, of course, not her daughter, who is also named
Serenity.  You can find all this in the manga.

Bryan Wilkinson (using roommate's account)


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From: arie...@bonkers.taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva)
Date: 1995/09/30
Subject: Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions
In article <44i5bc$...@crl5.crl.com>, Harry W Reed II <harry...@crl.com> wrote:

>: (What I can't figure out is.. Artemis. Thats a _female_ name ^o^)

>You might want to tell that to Jim West's pal in the old TV show "Wild,
>Wild West".  *His* name was Artemis Gordon.

Artemis is the Greek goddess of the moon.  However, Artemis is one of those
names that are used for both male and female, tho I don't have any lit on
how long Artemis has been used for a male name, so it's hard to say.

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From: wins...@merk.com (Winston Smith)
Date: 1995/10/01
Subject: Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions

About "Selena" versus "Serena" ...

Even though "Selena" is closer to a lunar reference to Selene, "Serena" is
just --SO-- much funnier that is has to win, hands down!

First of all there is the crossover confusion of "R" and "L" in the
Japanese pronounciation of English, so the association with Selene
isn't entirely lost.

More importantly, however, is the association with "Serene" and "Serenity".
Think about the juxtaposition for a moment !  "Princess Serenity" ?  "The
Serene One" ?  This is the girl who goes --RUSHING-- down the block,
--RUNNING-- into her schoolyard every day so she isn't late ....  This is
the girl who falls madly in love with the last cute boy who walks past her
and can't stop talking or babbling about him, even if he happens to be
Jadeite !  This is the girl who flys into an insanely jealous rage whenever
Rei shows an interest in anything !  This is the girl who when asked to
join the family for some quiet time around the dinner table rips the meal
off the table, and devours it, and goes racing upstairs (or racing outside)
....  This is the girl who can't even sit still at a desk for twenty
minutes to do some homework !  Yet this human whirlwind in a skirt is
called, "Serena", "The Serene Girl" ?  The irony is absolutely delicious !

Then there is the Martial Arts aspect to the character name.  When she can
clear her mind and focus, she can transform, becoming many times more
powerful, pushing her fears aside and accomplishing great deeds.  When she
can find the serenity, the calmness and focus of mind, the sense of
purpose, she can --BECOME-- heroic.  Energy is not wasted.  Her Chi (I hope
that is the correct word ...) is focused.

Finally, there is a tradition in American television of naming magical
teenage females "Serena" that goes back to the "Archies" and "Bewitched".

My vote goes with "Serena".  There really is no other choice!


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From: m...@saul5.u.washington.edu (Michael S. Johnson)
Date: 1995/10/01
Subject: Re: Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)

Ken Arromdee (arrom...@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu) wrote:
> In article <44ipg8$...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,
> Michael S. Johnson <m...@saul5.u.washington.edu> wrote:
> >The author, Naoko Takeuchi, took the name from the GEOGRAPHICAL location on
> >the moon Mare SERENITUS (or is that serenititus?), the "sea of serenity",
> >this is near the "sea of tranquility" where Apollo 11's Eagle landed. The
> >only mention of Selena in the manga is when Queen Serenity calls her power
> >into the Silver Crystal (Ginsuisho/Empyrean, take your pick :), her being
> >the goddes of the Moon, of course, not her daughter, who is also named
> >Serenity.  You can find all this in the manga.
> It would be interesting to know how you distinguish references to "selenity"
> and "serenity" in the manga when in Japanese they would be spelled the same.

See below, fellow skeptic ^_^ (skepticism is always good! never trust posts
on faith if you can help it! :)

> In any case, where exactly in the manga is this reference?

Volume three, page 17.  

My point is she makes it clear in the manga that the name comes from Mare
Serentatis  (sp?), which IS the "Sea of Serenity" in English, translated
from Latin, not Japanese. This is of course one of the vast lava-filled
craters that appeared like "seas" to early moongazers.

Yes, the kana makes it impossible to tell without knowing that fact if it
isn't "Selenity" (this debate took place before a couple years
back... ^_^), although besides the manga reference, all the promotional
stuff s pells it correctly as Serenity when using romaji.  Naoko appears to
have once considered Selenity, however, if her old notes are any indication,
back when Venus was the main character on the drawing board and Usagi still
an ambiguous moon princess/goddess.

Here's the manga quote, in fact:

Ami: Mite, tsuki yo ...honto ni crater darake dawa....suisei ni niteru...

        Doko ni oriru no?  Luna.

Luna: "Mare Serenitatus" (sp) --"Hare No Umi" he.

Loose translation by by Japanese speaker ^_^;; :

Ami: Look at the Moon...all those craters truly do...appear like seas...
        Where are we landing, Luna?

Luna: "Mare Serenitatus" --at the "Sea of Serenity."

This is the scene where the nakama senshi first travel to visit the ruins of
the Moon Palace.

--Bryan
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From: arrom...@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee)
Date: 1995/10/01
Subject: Re: Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)
Okay.  The FAQ is changed.
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"One day, I shall come back.  Yes, I shall come back!  Until then, there must
be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties.  Just go forward in all your beliefs,
and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine...." -- Doctor Who


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From: nt...@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Iskandar Taib)
Date: 1995/10/01
Subject: Re: Serenity or Selenity? (was Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions)
In article <44mr2r$...@nntp4.u.washington.edu>,
Michael S. Johnson <m...@saul5.u.washington.edu> wrote:

OK, but this doesn't say that the Queen was named "Serenity".

Consider also that Selene loved a youth called Endymion:

% webster selene
Se-le-ne \se-'le^--ne^-\
:the Greek goddess of the moon

% ^[
webster endymion
En-dym-i-on \en-'dim-e^--en\ n
[L, fr. Gk Endymio^-n]
:a beautiful youth loved by Selene

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From: david...@imap1.asu.edu
Date: 1995/10/02
Subject: Re: US Sailor Moon -- my opinions

Winston Smith (wins...@merk.com) wrote:

: About "Selena" versus "Serena" ...

<Good points for Serena deleted>
:  
: Finally, there is a tradition in American television of naming magical
: teenage females "Serena" that goes back to the "Archies" and "Bewitched".

I think you are hallucinating on this point.  It was "Sabrina" the teen
witch in the Archies and "Samantha" on Bewtiched (unless you mean her
daughter, whose name I forget)

: My vote goes with "Serena".  There really is no other choice!

Right.  Certainly not at this point, anyway.

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