Thoughts
Ken Arromdee
all the sites between here and elsewhere don't get it, so articles only pass
to and from me if crossposted. So I'm crossposting to rec.arts.anime, which
literally does fit the subject of this post, even if you people there are
probably tired of seeing the 'is Sylia a boomer' argument by now. Just say 'n'.
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>This is really kewl!
>Hej Ben! Hehehe Glad this passed! Okee ... now wheeze can git fonkay! :)
Gimme a break. :-)
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>The final development of the Stingray prototype for a AI that was like a
> human appeared in Crash so Celia's brain is human.
Well, not really. Some things were changed from Crisis to Crash. (Charitably
they may be called 'errors'. :-)) The fact that the "first" boomer capable
of thinking and acting like a human appeared in Crash #2 is one of these;
remember Sylvie and Anri in #5-6, not to mention a whole load of bit players
who are unrecognizeable as boomers until they monster out or break your neck
or whatever?
There's also still an explanation: Suppose Sylia _was_ a boomer. Created
as a child, capable of growing (if she was created as an 8-year-old, you could
even assume a boomer brain and human body, since the head doesn't grow _that_
much). A boomer that takes even ten years to have an adult mind would be
rather worthless for most purposes, so if Sylia is one of these she would be
"unsuccessful".
>Dogs don't bark at her.
Good point. I don't think anyone mentioned that one yet, even during the
whole BGC mailing list period.
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>In regards to Macky: If Celia is a machine, he would know. He's an expert
>with machines; from computers to mecha. He knows what's hardware and what's
>(ehehe..) software. The hormone theory is right.
Who says that he doesn't know? Or that that would prevent him lusting for her?
(The 33S's seemed to have reasonable hardware and software....)
Or maybe Mackie is one too.
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Ken Arromdee (arro...@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
Albert Sze-Wei Wang
>(wa...@ocf.berkeley.edu)
>>The final development of the Stingray prototype for a AI that was like a
>> human appeared in Crash so Celia's brain is human.
>
>Well, not really. Some things were changed from Crisis to Crash. (Charitably
>they may be called 'errors'. :-)) The fact that the "first" boomer capable
>of thinking and acting like a human appeared in Crash #2 is one of these;
Then there is virtually no way to compare the Celias across the two series.
In my opinion, the characters were changed so much that in my mind there
is no way the two series can even be placed next to each other.
>remember Sylvie and Anri in #5-6,
Keep in mind Sylvie and Anri were mothballed on the Shinaros space island.
Like all other boomers they do not age. they simply exist. Above all, they
had a fundamental weakness: They required human blood to heal.
Keep in mind that when a living organism grows, everything from the
the skeletal structure to the muscle tissue is affected by the changing
metabolism. A machine with a rigid metal frame is incapable of growth. It
is physically impossible. There is no rational for any person to make
a organism to grow that looks like a human when you can just make a human
the old fashion way. Sylia takes in sustenance for growth. She is a
living organism. She is human. The only way to create any artifical
organism exactly like a human is to use genetic engineering and build one.
not to mention a whole load of bit players
>who are unrecognizeable as boomers until they monster out or break your neck
>or whatever?
The Bu-55s in my mind seal only just further that Sylia is not
a boomer. They are completely rigid, unchanging.
>There's also still an explanation: Suppose Sylia _was_ a boomer. Created
>as a child, capable of growing (if she was created as an 8-year-old, you could
>even assume a boomer brain and human body, since the head doesn't grow _that_
>much).
Whoa Whoa!! Wait a minute. Boomer brain and HUMAN BODY??? What did
Dr. Stingray do? Kill a girl to get her body??? No, no no nono.
If Sylia's body is human, she is human too. She is his daughter.
Dr. Stingray is not Dr. Frankenstein taking human body parts and putting
a fake brain in it. :) :) :) :)
Dr. Stingray's not THAT barbaric. Plus it'd be unscientific.
:)
> A boomer that takes even ten years to have an adult mind would be
>rather worthless for most purposes, so if Sylia is one of these she would be
>"unsuccessful".
No, it's called being human. :)
>>Dogs don't bark at her.
>Good point. I don't think anyone mentioned that one yet, even during the
>whole BGC mailing list period.
Remember how the cat reacted to Sylvie.
:)
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Ken Arromdee
otherwise alt.fan.bgcrisis articles don't make it out of this site...."
In article <22dliv$9...@agate.berkeley.edu> wa...@ocf.berkeley.edu (Albert Sze-Wei Wang) writes:
>>remember Sylvie and Anri in #5-6,
>Like all other boomers they do not age. they simply exist. Above all, they
>had a fundamental weakness: They required human blood to heal.
Only before getting the data disk.
>Sylia takes in sustenance for growth. She is a
>living organism. She is human. The only way to create any artifical
>organism exactly like a human is to use genetic engineering and build one.
So maybe they did that.
Albert Sze-Wei Wang
>Usual disclaimers about "you're tired of this but it literally goes here and
>otherwise alt.fan.bgcrisis articles don't make it out of this site...."
>In article <22dliv$9...@agate.berkeley.edu> wa...@ocf.berkeley.edu (Albert Sze-Wei Wang) writes:
>>>remember Sylvie and Anri in #5-6,
>>Like all other boomers they do not age. they simply exist. Above all, they
>>had a fundamental weakness: They required human blood to heal.
>Only before getting the data disk.
The disk was returned to Genom. Sylia returned it.
>>Sylia takes in sustenance for growth. She is a
>>living organism. She is human. The only way to create any artifical
>>organism exactly like a human is to use genetic engineering and build one.
>So maybe they did that.
Then it validates my claim she's human. :) Artificially generated or not,
if human genes are used, the organism grown is human. :)
:) :) :) ;)
Higeki no Alberto
Ken Arromdee
>>Usual disclaimers about "you're tired of this but it literally goes here and
>>otherwise alt.fan.bgcrisis articles don't make it out of this site...."
>>>Like all other boomers they do not age. they simply exist. Above all, they
>>>had a fundamental weakness: They required human blood to heal.
>>Only before getting the data disk.
>The disk was returned to Genom. Sylia returned it.
After downloading the information from the disk, they didn't need the disk any
more. Computer information is like that, it can be copied.
MegaZone
>Then it validates my claim she's human. :) Artificially generated or not,
>if human genes are used, the organism grown is human. :)
Over 90% of DNA is shared with the grass growing in my yard. It is really
very small differences that makes us who we are. If she was grown, what if
1% of the DNA wasn't human. Is she still human? Better or worse?
I still say she's a cyborg. So, both sides are right.
Or wrong.
Depending on your attitude.
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Albert Sze-Wei Wang
>In article <22g3i6$t...@agate.berkeley.edu> wa...@ocf.berkeley.edu (Albert Sze-Wei Wang) writes:
>>Then it validates my claim she's human. :) Artificially generated or not,
>>if human genes are used, the organism grown is human. :)
>Over 90% of DNA is shared with the grass growing in my yard. It is really
>very small differences that makes us who we are. If she was grown, what if
>1% of the DNA wasn't human. Is she still human? Better or worse?
Of course then you'd start getting into discussions on what the point is
and the answer would probably be there isn't one. :)
>I still say she's a cyborg. So, both sides are right.
Define cyborg. :) :) :) :) :)
>Or wrong.
>Depending on your attitude.
Very true. I found it an equally interesting exercise trying to prove
Celia (Silia, Sylia, Syria, Shiria) isn't human. :)
I found the results about as definitive as trying to prove
Celia is a boomer. :)
Surprise surprise. :)
But in the end Mr. Suzuki is still right. It doesn't matter. :)