[OT] still out of work, need to sell stuff...
Captain Nerd
Sorry for the OT posting, I've been out of work for two months now,
and unemployment is just barely covering my rent and some bills,
I need to unload some of my anime and manga***. Details posted on
rec.arts.anime.marketplace.
Cap.
(... *** My God, it's like I'm a human anime company! >__< ...)
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Warewolf
EFE162.011...@news.giganews.com:
>
> Sorry for the OT posting, I've been out of work for two months now,
> and unemployment is just barely covering my rent and some bills,
> I need to unload some of my anime and manga***. Details posted on
> rec.arts.anime.marketplace.
What kind of job are you looking for, out of curiosity?
I'm sure you know about the 'hidden job market' (aka 90% of the job that
are out there are not advertised)
Signed,
Warewolf
who is looking for work in his area, as well ^_^;
Captain Nerd
Warewolf <warewol...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Captain Nerd <cpt...@nerdwatch.com> wrote in news:cptnerd-
> EFE162.011...@news.giganews.com:
>
> >
> > Sorry for the OT posting, I've been out of work for two months now,
> > and unemployment is just barely covering my rent and some bills,
> > I need to unload some of my anime and manga***. Details posted on
> > rec.arts.anime.marketplace.
>
> What kind of job are you looking for, out of curiosity?
Software development, that doesn't require Java, C#, .NET, or ASP.
I only know C, C++, Perl, shell, SQL and other 20+ year old tech
that I've been writing for 20+ years...
>
> I'm sure you know about the 'hidden job market' (aka 90% of the job that
> are out there are not advertised)
Well, they're doing a swell job of hiding from me, I'll give you
that. The ones that are advertised seem to be in autistic mode,
they seldom respond even when I match their requirements, and of
the ones that do respond, either the job isn't exactly what they
advertise, or else I'm too old, er, I mean, "too expensive". It
looks like rates for senior developers have dropped $15/hour in
the past year or so. At that rate, McDonalds will be paying more
for burger-flippers than companies will pay for software people.
>
> Signed,
> Warewolf
> who is looking for work in his area, as well ^_^;
Getting ready to make up the cardboard sign that says "will code
for money" and go stand on the street corner...
Cap.
Travers Naran
>
> Software development, that doesn't require Java, C#, .NET, or ASP.
> I only know C, C++, Perl, shell, SQL and other 20+ year old tech
> that I've been writing for 20+ years...
Post your resume on Monster.com and Workopolis. Recruiters actively
scour the posted resumes especially for legacy skills such as yours.
The downside is you'll have to deal with recruiters, but if you're
batting .000 this may be the best choice.
I have a friend who used to be an IT recruiter, and he told me how the
business actually works.
Captain Nerd
<7ef17d68-0a9b-47fe...@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
Travers Naran <tna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 20, 10:01 am, Captain Nerd <cptn...@nerdwatch.com> wrote:
> >
> > Software development, that doesn't require Java, C#, .NET, or ASP.
> > I only know C, C++, Perl, shell, SQL and other 20+ year old tech
> > that I've been writing for 20+ years...
>
> Post your resume on Monster.com and Workopolis. Recruiters actively
> scour the posted resumes especially for legacy skills such as yours.
> The downside is you'll have to deal with recruiters, but if you're
> batting .000 this may be the best choice.
Already posted on Monster, Dice.com, and Careerbuilder, along
with a couple of smaller sites. I get single calls, send in
the "most recent copy(? wtf?)" of my resume, and then silence.
The few times I try to follow up, I leave unreturned messages.
> I have a friend who used to be an IT recruiter, and he told me how the
> business actually works.
I think it's changing, and not for the better.
Relic
>
> Sorry for the OT posting, I've been out of work for two months now,
> and unemployment is just barely covering my rent and some bills,
> I need to unload some of my anime and manga***. Details posted on
> rec.arts.anime.marketplace.
>
> Cap.
> (... *** My God, it's like I'm a human anime company! >__< ...)
>
I read your other reply, and unfortunately it does seem like all the
experience we worked for doesn't really mean much to the modern job
market. After the store I worked at for 13 years shut down I had
both associate and management (as well as computer) experience
under my belt on the retail level, and had the results to prove
it.
After 2 years of looking and interviews, it pretty much dawned
on me that the stores were not looking for experience, they
were looking for younger people that they could pay less to,
and wouldn't need medical coverage. In the end, I scaled back
a bit and started to fix other people's computers, as well as
refurb cheap computers, and sell them for a profit. It doesn't
pay as well as what I'd make if my old store was still open,
but otoh I'm not on the street either.
So hang in there.
Captain Nerd
Relic <reli...@ameritech.net> wrote:
Yeah, that's about what I'm seeing, too. I get the strange email
offers, too, the ones that want me to give them my cell phone
and provider information before they'll let me apply. And the
ones that just make no sense, like working as a sysadmin in
El Segundo for $25/hour. I think the cost of living there is
a little steep for that rate, and I can get higher than that here
in the DC area (provided I could get hired). I've seen more
listings in the past week, at least more places to be ignored
by...
Cap.
Aje RavenStar
"Captain Nerd" <cpt...@nerdwatch.com> wrote in message
news:cptnerd-7688B5...@news.giganews.com...
Yeah, it was getting nothing except that kind of come on that led to my
taking my info off Monster and not going back. Most of mine were
'headhunters' that guaranteed me placement, but required an 'upfront' fee
before they'd do anything. Which is illegal for them to do here in Texas,
but since none of them sent email from within the state, they were
untouchable.
I still have an 'employer', the staffing company that I've spent the last
year and a half doing mechanical assembly for. Since that was the last
straw for my back (no particular incident, just culmative) I can't go back
to it. They do office placements also, which is what all my experience is
in anyway - but now, I don't have 'recent', (last six month) experience, so
it's unlikely any of their clients will want me...
But, it has nothing to do with my having a back condition, being 50 +, or
being experienced (= wanting to be paid for knowing how to do it right the
first time, instead of willing to accept $7 but needing to do everything
several times before it's correct - oh, wait, that's age discrimination,
isn't it, I'm not allowed to do that...)
(Lum, could I have five minutes inclusion in your Beautiful Dream reality?)
Sea Wasp
> In article <Xns9AA45FDF887w...@24.64.223.211>,
> Warewolf <warewol...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>Captain Nerd <cpt...@nerdwatch.com> wrote in news:cptnerd-
>>EFE162.011...@news.giganews.com:
>>
>>
>>> Sorry for the OT posting, I've been out of work for two months now,
>>> and unemployment is just barely covering my rent and some bills,
>>> I need to unload some of my anime and manga***. Details posted on
>>> rec.arts.anime.marketplace.
>>
>>What kind of job are you looking for, out of curiosity?
>
>
> Software development, that doesn't require Java, C#, .NET, or ASP.
> I only know C, C++, Perl, shell, SQL and other 20+ year old tech
> that I've been writing for 20+ years...
Sounds good for me. But where are you, and what's your pay needs, and
are you willing to move? Usually those are the killer questions.
Obviously my boss wants people who are living gods of coding and will
work for minimum wage, and will relocate immediately.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Live Journal: http://seawasp.livejournal.com
Captain Nerd
Sea Wasp <seawasp...@sgeObviousinc.com> wrote:
I'm in the DC metro area, which has an (official) unemployment
rate of 2.8 or so, at least on the Virginia side of the Potomac.
My rate has been dropping since 2000, every contract and every
job is paying less per hour or per year, which means pretty soon
I will be making exactly what I was making when I graduated 25
years ago, adjusted for inflation. I can't tell you how pleased
I am by my "progress"...
darkst...@gmail.com
in a new America.
What you say, Relic, is absolutely right... Companies have chosen
profit over people, and will not pay American workers a necessary wage
to have a reasoned life.
Mike
GregoryD
> In article <Xns9AA45FDF887w...@24.64.223.211>,
> Warewolf <warewol...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Captain Nerd <cpt...@nerdwatch.com> wrote in news:cptnerd-
>> EFE162.011...@news.giganews.com:
>>
>>>
>>> Sorry for the OT posting, I've been out of work for two months now,
>>> and unemployment is just barely covering my rent and some bills,
>>> I need to unload some of my anime and manga***. Details posted on
>>> rec.arts.anime.marketplace.
>> What kind of job are you looking for, out of curiosity?
>
> Software development, that doesn't require Java, C#, .NET, or ASP.
> I only know C, C++, Perl, shell, SQL and other 20+ year old tech
> that I've been writing for 20+ years...
Ever think about moving elsewhere? The telecom corridor in the
Dallas/Ft. Worth area has a ton of jobs, and the cost of living there is
ridiculously cheap for the salaries people get there. A few years ago,
when I bought my 2nd house, I paid a hair over $300K for a 4,500 sq.
foot home on a half acre lot. The housing market has not gotten any
more expensive there, and homes are selling for even less than what was
the going rate of the time. You can easily find a 2000 sq. foot home
for $120-140K in the area.
If you're a homeowner, you probably have enough equity in your place
that you could move, buy a house, put a hundred grand in the bank, and
even if you didn't know any Java, get some certifications and a very
nice job within a year. You could also try applying at state
agencies... the pay is a little less than incredible, but the retirement
plan means you'll never have to worry about money when you do retire.
I know that Louisiana for example pays senior IT staff 6-8K a month,
and Texas does even better.
GregoryD
Travers Naran
>
> Already posted on Monster, Dice.com, and Careerbuilder, along
> with a couple of smaller sites. I get single calls, send in
> the "most recent copy(? wtf?)" of my resume, and then silence.
> The few times I try to follow up, I leave unreturned messages.
Hmm. I wonder what happened to all the legacy systems out there. Also
check out craigslist--you'd be surprised the number of tech jobs posted
there.
Good luck though. Ganbatte kudasai!
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Captain Nerd
Travers Naran <tna...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Captain Nerd wrote:
> >
> > Already posted on Monster, Dice.com, and Careerbuilder, along
> > with a couple of smaller sites. I get single calls, send in
> > the "most recent copy(? wtf?)" of my resume, and then silence.
> > The few times I try to follow up, I leave unreturned messages.
>
> Hmm. I wonder what happened to all the legacy systems out there. Also
> check out craigslist--you'd be surprised the number of tech jobs posted
> there.
I applied to a couple of possibilities on craigslist, haven't
heard back from them. I applied to a couple of things on sologigs,
too, but I don't expect to hear from them for a while, if at all.
>
> Good luck though. Ganbatte kudasai!
I believe that my new job is "looking for a job"...
Captain Nerd
GregoryD <deergr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Captain Nerd wrote:
> > In article <Xns9AA45FDF887w...@24.64.223.211>,
> > Warewolf <warewol...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> Captain Nerd <cpt...@nerdwatch.com> wrote in news:cptnerd-
> >> EFE162.011...@news.giganews.com:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Sorry for the OT posting, I've been out of work for two months now,
> >>> and unemployment is just barely covering my rent and some bills,
> >>> I need to unload some of my anime and manga***. Details posted on
> >>> rec.arts.anime.marketplace.
> >> What kind of job are you looking for, out of curiosity?
> >
> > Software development, that doesn't require Java, C#, .NET, or ASP.
> > I only know C, C++, Perl, shell, SQL and other 20+ year old tech
> > that I've been writing for 20+ years...
>
> Ever think about moving elsewhere? The telecom corridor in the
> Dallas/Ft. Worth area has a ton of jobs, and the cost of living there is
> ridiculously cheap for the salaries people get there. A few years ago,
> when I bought my 2nd house, I paid a hair over $300K for a 4,500 sq.
> foot home on a half acre lot. The housing market has not gotten any
> more expensive there, and homes are selling for even less than what was
> the going rate of the time. You can easily find a 2000 sq. foot home
> for $120-140K in the area.
I had a nice telecom contract over in MD until the dot-bomb burst.
The DC area has very low unemployment (they had to consolidate the
Fairfax County and Alexandria City unemployment offices due to lack
of work for the staffs), so the odds of me getting something should
be high. Meanwhile I'm trying to "monetize" everything I can. I'm
looking into making some of my Japan photos available at some low-
end stock photo sites, and I'm uploading as many books etc. to my
Amazon account as I can.
> If you're a homeowner, you probably have enough equity in your place
> that you could move, buy a house, put a hundred grand in the bank, and
> even if you didn't know any Java, get some certifications and a very
> nice job within a year.
If I had a hundred grand now I wouldn't need a job...
I'm a renter who gets about a $200/month break on my rent due to
being a long-time good tenant. It would be hard to give that up
and move away, not to mention the 24-odd years of stuff I've
accumulated.
> You could also try applying at state
> agencies... the pay is a little less than incredible, but the retirement
> plan means you'll never have to worry about money when you do retire.
> I know that Louisiana for example pays senior IT staff 6-8K a month,
> and Texas does even better.
I'm looking at the state agencies as well, although I haven't checked
in a couple of weeks. I've also applied several times at GMU where
I'm taking Japanese classes, to no avail.
I haven't given up on this area, it's just that this is the
frustrating, nervewracking time in the search. As soon as I get
something, life will be brighter once more...
Abraham Evangelista
<cpt...@nerdwatch.com> wrote:
>In article <Xns9AA45FDF887w...@24.64.223.211>,
> Warewolf <warewol...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Captain Nerd <cpt...@nerdwatch.com> wrote in news:cptnerd-
>> EFE162.011...@news.giganews.com:
>>
>> >
>> > Sorry for the OT posting, I've been out of work for two months now,
>> > and unemployment is just barely covering my rent and some bills,
>> > I need to unload some of my anime and manga***. Details posted on
>> > rec.arts.anime.marketplace.
>>
>> What kind of job are you looking for, out of curiosity?
>
> Software development, that doesn't require Java, C#, .NET, or ASP.
> I only know C, C++, Perl, shell, SQL and other 20+ year old tech
> that I've been writing for 20+ years...
Cap, why the hate-on for Java and C#? I mean, if you cut your teeth
on C and C++ (Sympathy... I did too!) the shift to Java or C# is
trivial. Now granted, Sun's Windows JVM is an unrepentant POS, but
that's nothing a little bit of hardware can't fix. :-)
I know how much it sucks to have to bring your skill-set up to date.
I'm a windows admin by trade (No jokes please!) and by the time I was
free for full time work (After 3 years of dealing with a family
illness and 4 more finishing a degree) my OS and Application certs
were two or three versions out of date.
But still, if the market seems to be looking for new skills, and
you're not willing to update, it's only going to make the hunt more
difficult.
--
Abraham Evangelista
Sea Wasp
> I'm in the DC metro area, which has an (official) unemployment
> rate of 2.8 or so, at least on the Virginia side of the Potomac.
> My rate has been dropping since 2000, every contract and every
> job is paying less per hour or per year, which means pretty soon
> I will be making exactly what I was making when I graduated 25
> years ago, adjusted for inflation. I can't tell you how pleased
> I am by my "progress"...
Well, if you'd consider moving to the Albany, NY area -- which is
vastly cheaper than DC overall -- send your resume to my work Email,
which I present in munged form to minimize spammers:
rspoor...@iem.obvious.net .
Remove the obvious to make it work. :)
Captain Nerd
Abraham Evangelista <da...@verizon.net> wrote:
I'm more than willing to update my skillset, my problem is with
companies that don't value any updating that's done outside of
working for other companies. In other words, I could teach myself
Java, maybe even write neat things for myself, but unless someone
else paid me for doing so, it doesn't count towards experience.
There's no way that I can get through the barrier of "must have
5 years of .NET experience" with "well, I played with it for a
bit and learned something about it." I also don't have the
money to pay for straight coursework, even if that would count
towards experience. My last two bouts of unemployment have
drained my savings severely. So, no, it's not a matter of "hating
on" the new tech, it's that no one wants to take me on for the
short time it would take me to come up to speed on their particular
need. Hell, it's only taken me a weekend to get the basics of
CSS down, and I know enough of the crossover syntax to handle
basic Java enough to learn specifics, but again, it doesn't
count to the keyword-searching HR gatekeepers.
Chika
> >
> > Sorry for the OT posting, I've been out of work for two months now,
> > and unemployment is just barely covering my rent and some bills, I
> > need to unload some of my anime and manga***. Details posted on
> > rec.arts.anime.marketplace.
> >
> > Cap. (... *** My God, it's like I'm a human anime company! >__< ...)
> I read your other reply, and unfortunately it does seem like all the
> experience we worked for doesn't really mean much to the modern job
> market. After the store I worked at for 13 years shut down I had both
> associate and management (as well as computer) experience under my belt
> on the retail level, and had the results to prove it.
Same here. I was a redundancy statistic after 17 years working in the wild
and wacky world (sic) of local authority programming, with experience in
all sorts of tech and software but never a bit of paper to prove it. Even
after I had got at least one of these bits of paper, it was still hit and
miss when it came to finding a job. The number of hoops you seem to have
to jump through has increased substantially since I first went jobhunting,
fresh out of college and so forth.
> After 2 years of looking and interviews, it pretty much dawned on me
> that the stores were not looking for experience, they were looking for
> younger people that they could pay less to, and wouldn't need medical
> coverage. In the end, I scaled back a bit and started to fix other
> people's computers, as well as refurb cheap computers, and sell them for
> a profit. It doesn't pay as well as what I'd make if my old store was
> still open, but otoh I'm not on the street either.
> So hang in there.
It's a thought. I was out of work for three years, but I managed to just
about hang together with the occasional bit of short term stuff such as
installations which, let's face it, doesn't need a degree or an MCSE to do
but puts a bit of money in your pocket. There are enough farties out there
needing the assistance of someone that knows their way around a pooter, so
see what you can find!
Oh yes, and NEVER trust a "recruitment consultant". These are one step
down from estate agents in the evolution of man, only marginally ahead of
PE teachers.
--
//\ // Chika <miyuki><at><crashnet><org><uk>
// \// Mitsuo... Menda... naha naha...
... Divers do it deeper.
Chika
Captain Nerd <cpt...@nerdwatch.com> wrote:
> ...HR...
I really hate that term. "Human Resources" is only one step away from
"slave traders" IMHO.
--
//\ // Chika <miyuki><at><crashnet><org><uk>
// \// Mitsuo... Menda... naha naha...
... We'll get along fine as soon as you realize that I'm God!
Chika
> I'm a windows admin by trade (No jokes please!) and by the time I was
> free for full time work (After 3 years of dealing with a family
> illness and 4 more finishing a degree) my OS and Application certs
> were two or three versions out of date.
Heh! As if I'd joke about that sort of thing! I still get called on for
the odd bit of Unix system admin, and I still fondly remember looking
after a brace of PDP-11s running RSTS/E!
However, I view the whole skill set update thing as part of the job. All
the better if you can claim it off your employer, but standing still is
never an option, especially when the bosses get their annual hard-on
reading up all the glossies about the latest tech.
(Cynical? Me? Naaah!)
--
//\ // Chika <miyuki><at><crashnet><org><uk>
// \// Mitsuo... Menda... naha naha...
... I tried snorting coke...and almost DROWNED
ender
> I really hate that term. "Human Resources" is only one step away from
> "slave traders" IMHO.
The first time I heard this term, I thought they were joking.
--
< ender ><><><><><><><>◊<><><><><><><>◊<><><><><><><>< e at ena dot si >
Because 10 billion years' time is so fragile, so ephemeral...
it arouses such a bittersweet, almost heartbreaking fondness.
Chika
> > I really hate that term. "Human Resources" is only one step away from
> > "slave traders" IMHO.
> The first time I heard this term, I thought they were joking.
Would that they were. They jump on you quickly enough at my workplace if
you call them "personnel". Whoever thought the term up should be subjected
to the misery that we others face whenever "HR" is brought into the
equation.
Then I'd take great pleasure in inserting a lead pellet at high speed into
both kneecaps!
--
//\ // Chika <miyuki><at><crashnet><org><uk>
// \// Mitsuo... Menda... naha naha...
... (Ice rocks hit the hull) Captain, we are being hailed.
darkst...@gmail.com
> In article <cptnerd-E28001.13255821052...@news.giganews.com>,
> Captain Nerd <cptn...@nerdwatch.com> wrote:
>
> > ...HR...
>
> I really hate that term. "Human Resources" is only one step away from
> "slave traders" IMHO.
And soon, they'll be absolutely synonymous.
Mike
Aje RavenStar
"Chika" <miy...@spam-no-way.invalid> wrote in message
news:4fa31eed...@no.spam.here...
> In article <11i1va3s299gr$.d...@ender.ena.si>,
> ender <ec...@arnes.si> wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 May 2008 19:33:33 +0100, Chika wrote:
>
>> > I really hate that term. "Human Resources" is only one step away from
>> > "slave traders" IMHO.
>
>> The first time I heard this term, I thought they were joking.
>
> Would that they were. They jump on you quickly enough at my workplace if
> you call them "personnel". Whoever thought the term up should be subjected
> to the misery that we others face whenever "HR" is brought into the
> equation.
>
> Then I'd take great pleasure in inserting a lead pellet at high speed into
> both kneecaps!
There's worse. Lots of places down here have now added '& Risk Management'
after the 'Human Resources' part.
Farix
> In article <cptnerd-E28001...@news.giganews.com>,
> Captain Nerd <cpt...@nerdwatch.com> wrote:
>> ...HR...
>
> I really hate that term. "Human Resources" is only one step away from
> "slave traders" IMHO.
Given that HR usually knows squat about the positions they hire for, its
not far from the truth. That is why they frequently hire someone who is
incompetent even though the person may looked good on paper, but pass
over someone who would be good in the position, even though that
person's skills set is somewhat outdated.
Carlos Myers
Chika
<whine...@comcast.net> wrote:
> There's worse. Lots of places down here have now added '& Risk
> Management' after the 'Human Resources' part.
Argh! Much worse! Slave trading in a nanny state...
--
//\ // Chika <miyuki><at><crashnet><org><uk>
// \// Mitsuo... Menda... naha naha...
... Hire the morally handicapped
Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
> Chika wrote:
>>> ...HR...
>>
>> I really hate that term. "Human Resources" is only one step away from
>> "slave traders" IMHO.
>
> Given that HR usually knows squat about the positions they hire for,
> its not far from the truth. That is why they frequently hire someone
> who is incompetent even though the person may looked good on paper,
> but pass over someone who would be good in the position, even though
> that person's skills set is somewhat outdated.
That is the exact reason why the company I work for doesn't have any
such department.
cu
59cobalt
--
"My surname is Li and my personal name is Kao, and there is a slight
flaw in my character."
--Li Kao (Barry Hughart: Bridge of Birds)
Mike Swaim
HR should not be hiring people. Every place that I've worked, HR did
resume collection, and vetted people's resumes, but the department that
was hiring did the interviews and had final say. (Mostly. I work for
the government, and occasionally we'll try to hire someone who's
technically qualified, but doesn't meet the state's requirements for
the position. And that's really not HR's fault.)
From what I've heard, when HR does the hiring, it's typically because
someone else doesn't want to, so the job gets fobbed off onto them.
--
Where did my signature go!
Captain Nerd
Sea Wasp <seawasp...@sgeObviousinc.com> wrote:
Thanks, I haven't ruled anything out yet, but for now I'm going to
stick it out here. I've got a break in my cost of living, and if
I move away I'll lose out on an unbeatable rent. I'm getting some
responses from putting my resume on Craigslist, some places that
weren't advertising in the main sites. I'm shotgunning my resume
out daily, so hopefully everyone will all respond at once...
Aya the Vampire Slayer
> HR should not be hiring people. Every place that I've worked, HR did
>resume collection, and vetted people's resumes, but the department that
>was hiring did the interviews and had final say. (Mostly. I work for
<snip>
I work for the gub'ment too, and it is similar here (except our HR dept
has absolutely zero say/hand in the hiring process at all until after
the dept has already hired a person; all they do is prepare benefits
paperwork crud after the fact).
However, even without an HR dept interfering, the hiring/interview
process (here) is still pretty stupid. When we have a full-time position
open, we have to fill a quota of interviews, even if we had always
planned on promoting an internal person from the get-go (which is almost
always the case). So whatever schmuck in a terrible job who takes a
vacation day to come interview here ends up wasting that vacay day
completely because he was never going to get hired in the first place.
It's a wonder we ever get any new blood here at all.
Really, it seems this industry is all about who you know nowadays; you
can get hired pretty much anywhere as long as you know someone on the
inside in the dept you want to be hired into. Pass your resume off to
them, and you're golden.
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"Care must be exorcised when handring Opiticar System as it is apts to
be sticked by dusts and hand-fat." --Japanese Translators
"Keep your fingers off the lens." --Elton Byington, English Translator
sanjian
> Chika wrote:
>> In article <cptnerd-E28001...@news.giganews.com>,
>> Captain Nerd <cpt...@nerdwatch.com> wrote:
>>> ...HR...
>>
>> I really hate that term. "Human Resources" is only one step away from
>> "slave traders" IMHO.
>
> Given that HR usually knows squat about the positions they hire for,
Now, now. HR was a decent chap. I'll not have you slandering him just
because he's not here.
> its not far from the truth. That is why they frequently hire someone
> who is incompetent even though the person may looked good on paper,
> but pass over someone who would be good in the position, even though
> that person's skills set is somewhat outdated.
That's what I liked about the department I worked for in the shipyard.
Since it's a small community (nuclear navy), they just asked someone who had
worked with you whether or not to hire you, then told HR their choice.
Granted, you still had to negotiate pay with the personnel Weenies.