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lboansvgan  
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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:12:48 -0700
Local: Sat, Apr 28 2001 6:12 pm
Subject: 3 Gundam Wing Qs
Q1: How true is the CN dubbed Gundam Wing to the original Japanese
storyline?  I realize it is tailored towards a teenage boy's fantasy
life of being the ones best suited to piloting giant fighting robots.
Also, it gets boring when the never-in-real-danger Gundams are
destroying countless enemies at will and blowing up huge asteroids and
space cities with one shot.  However, I occasionally find it a
semi-decent way to past time, especially when I can fast forward past
the boring fight scenes.    

What I can't stand are the personalities of most of the Gundam pilots
and their friends.  Hiro is the worst one.  He keeps blowing up his
Gundams for no good reason; his Gundams are invicible and Hiro is
nearly invicible but he keeps brooding about some
no-need-for-gundams-anymore crap and then blowing up his well made
robots time and time again.  But soon he realizes he needs a Gundam
again.  What a stupid fool!  Catra is weak minded in that he copies
Hiro in blowing up his Gundam and then goes on a childish destructive
spree when his dad acts stupid and kills himself despite having an
option to escape and live.  Jet Li could have been cool but he starts
acting stupid, becomes a coward, becomes irrational towards Vex's
offer, and then fights his Gundam friends out of stupidity.  Hick Guy
who has the most annoying dubbed voice seems quite evil in that he
revels in killing.  Relina Peacecraft who acts likes a brainless fool
constantly promoting pure peace to a aggressive war manufacturer who
killed her father, destroyed their kingdom in their past and is taking
more steps towards global war (with no showing of considering peace).
These idiots need to graduate from high school, go to college, before
they should be allowed to ramble about their immature, inflexible,
multi-flawed philosophies (e.g.,
peace-at-all-costs-even-if-it-means-being-conquered-by-evil-or-being-killed -by-evil
and
I-have-been-a-soldier-therefore-I-must-fight-forever-or-join-the-circus,
a wannabee-samurai mentality).

I do find some characters interesting.  Vexs Marquis? is a fine
focused fighter who's plan to infiltrate Oz as a youth and destroy it
now finds himself permanently altered by the soldier's mentaility.
Ms. Loins?/Noin? is an kind, intelligent, and loyal officer to Vexs
Marquis; she is probably the most likable of the female characters.
Troll-ah is very mysterious and cool.  Troll-ah, other than his
ridiculously long front bangs, seems to act like Vex but has gotten
closer to achieving his goal of destroying Oz.  Lady Un has split
personalities which are nearly opposite of each other.  

Q2: Are the character named the same in Japanese?  For example, are
the Peacecrafts really called Peacecrafts in Japanese because it
sounds like a dubber who liked the Warcraft computer games decided to
use "Peacecraft" as a way to signify the extreme pacifism of the
Peacecrafts (and as a tribute to his favorite computer game).  Also,
what is Catra?  It rhymes with Kuma Sultra but in keeping with the
descriptive use of names, he could be better named as Catboy or
Cathead in that he looks like a cat with round head and big eyes. :p

Q3: Are the other Gundam series better in that they have more grown up
protagonists with better, more realistic motivations?  Are all the
Gundam series connected with each other like a timeline or are they
alternate universes?


 
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From: khaos...@aol.com (Khaos512)
Date: 28 Apr 2001 22:17:41 GMT
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs
The english translation of Wing, much like most, Bandai anime releases are
accurate, and yes it is "Peacecraft" in the Japanese version too. Gundam Wing
is a very below-average Gundam series, I suggest getting into the Universal
Century timeline and picking up fansubs of Zeta Gundam (one of the best anime
series' of all time),  the awesome 0080-0083 OVA's or wait for the MS Gundam
0079(the original series) and 8th MS Team DVDs.

 
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Date: 28 Apr 2001 22:46:44 GMT
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs

>Q2: Are the character named the same in Japanese?

The character names are the following:

Heero Yuy
Duo Maxwell
Trowa Barton
Quatre Raberba Winner
Wufei Chang (or Chang Wufei if you do it the Asian way...)
Zechs Merquise/Marquise? (I've seen it spelled both ways?)
Lucrezia Noin
Treize Kushrenada
Lady Une
Relena Peacecraft

Those are the names both in the original and in the dub. With the exception of
Une and Relena, they all fall into a quirky little naming system...

Heero: 1 ("Hi" (pronounced "hee") in Japanese is a way of saying "one", and
"ro" makes it a pun on "hero")
Duo: 2
Trowa: 3 ("Trois")
Quatre: 4 (I don't know how to spell it in French. Catre? Or is it spelled like
this?)
Wufei: 5 ("wu" is 5 in Chinese)
Zechs: 6 (I think this is some kind of play on the German pronounciation? x.o;)
Noin: 9 (French again?)
Treize: 13 (French or Italian, I can't recall which)

The numbers coincide with their mobile suit numbers (Heero pilots Gundam 01,
etc...)

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Date: 28 Apr 2001 22:59:25 GMT
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs

>Q1: How true is the CN dubbed Gundam Wing to the original Japanese
>storyline?

AHHHH!  NO! IMO the dubbing is terrible, just awful. So much of the meaning and
nuances and subtlety is lost. It doesn't seem like it at first, but GW is a
very subtle show and therein is its beauty.

<<>  Hiro is the worst one.  He keeps blowing up his

>Gundams for no good reason; his Gundams are invicible and Hiro is
>nearly invicible but he keeps brooding about some
>no-need-for-gundams-anymore crap and then blowing up his well made
>robots time and time again.

This obsession of Heero's does eventually get explained, though, in the dub,
you wouldn't know it. What you ought to do if you find you like the series, is
to go to a web page where you can look at the scripts as translated by
fansubbers, and not a standardized "safe" translation that you see on CN.

Plus on CN these days they're only showing the early show. Used to be they'd
play at at midnight and include all the cut scenes, some of which are very
telling and very awesome.

<<> Catra is weak minded in that he copies

>Hiro in blowing up his Gundam and then goes on a childish destructive
>spree when his dad acts stupid and kills himself despite having an
>option to escape and live.

Quatre was under the influence of the infamous Zero system, about which you
will learn more in the series. (It makes you do things like this... Good for
Quatre the statute of limitations for blowing up colonies must be really short!
LOL!)

>Hick Guy
>who has the most annoying dubbed voice seems quite evil in that he
>revels in killing.  

I'm positive you mean the HORRIBLY dubbed Duo Maxwell, who sounds to me as if
he's going to say "dude" at the end of every sentence. You might want to give
the original track a try, because then Duo, at least to me, becomes outright
likeable.

<<> Relina Peacecraft who acts likes a brainless fool

>constantly promoting pure peace to a aggressive war manufacturer who
>killed her father, destroyed their kingdom in their past and is taking
>more steps towards global war (with no showing of considering peace).

Relena has a HUGE character arc and by the end of the series, does a lot of
growing up. She became one of my favorite charas in the series. Just bear with
her a while longer.  :)

>I do find some characters interesting.  Vexs Marquis?

Zechs, as in six.

>Ms. Loins?/Noin? is an kind, intelligent, and loyal officer to Vexs
>Marquis;

Noin, as in nine. Geddit?  ~_^  Most of the characters are named after numbers:

Heero Yuy - one (Yuy meaning "only" I think, which makes him the one and only.)

Duo - two, Trowa - three, Quatre - four, Wu Fei - five, Zechs, Septum, Otto,
Noin, Dekim (comes later in the OAV, plus there was another "ten" whom I can't
call to mind right now.) Trieze - thirteen, and countless others (no pun
intended.  ;D  )

<<she is probably the most likable of the female characters.>>

But by the OAV, she was, hmm, not the same. I don't want to give anything away.

<<>Lady Un has split

>personalities which are nearly opposite of each other.  

That's what makes her so awesome.  :D  (And "Une" = one.)

>Q2: Are the character named the same in Japanese?

For the most part; the pronunciation can be a bit different.

<<>  Also,

>what is Catra?  It rhymes with Kuma Sultra but in keeping with the
>descriptive use of names, he could be better named as Catboy or
>Cathead in that he looks like a cat with round head and big eyes. :p

Hmmm, to me, Quatre and Kama Sutra sound nothign alike... but anyway, that's
explained above, quatre is french for four and is more rightly pronounced
differently, but, oh well.

>Q3: Are the other Gundam series better in that they have more grown up
>protagonists with better, more realistic motivations?  Are all the
>Gundam series connected with each other like a timeline or are they
>alternate universes?

I haven't seen any others but I hear they're fabulous. I do know the timeline
is different and GW is unique in its universe and timeline. From what I
understand so far.

Hope that helps! Give GW another chance, it might grow on you.

later!

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JulesKD72  
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From: julesk...@aol.comdiespam (JulesKD72)
Date: 28 Apr 2001 23:02:23 GMT
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs

>With the exception of
>Une and Relena, they all fall into a quirky little naming system...

"Une" means "one" as well. But I was thinking about this the other day. Sally
Po isn't a number either, is she? Hmm.

>The numbers coincide with their mobile suit numbers (Heero pilots Gundam 01,
>etc...)

Incidentally it also coincides with which colony they are each from.

And don't sit there and tell me none of you people snicker everytime someone
makes a reference to Zechs / Noin.  LOL just kidding.  :)

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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 00:17:36 GMT
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs
Here are my questions about Gundam Wing.

Why did the Gundam pilots originally attack Earth?  
How did they know that Oz existed as an organisation, when the
Alliance didn't?  

Now as I understand the factions:

Oz wants to create a system ruled by a warriour class who justify
their dominance by their willingness to kill and be killed by each
other.

The Romafeller Foundation wants a system where the old hereditary
aristocracies are restored to power.

The Alliance wants a system which is politically unified by any means
available and necessary.

The Peacecrafts want a system where military forces are all disbanded,
and international disputes are solved only through reason.  

The Looney Engineers want revenge against unspecified persons for
unspecified wrongdoing.  

Is that right?  (He asked, considering modifiers for Alpha Centauri
factions)

And lastly, why is everyone so impressed by Hiro when he's an idiot?


 
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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 17:36:06 -0700
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs
You seem to love every aspect of Gundam Wing, done extended research
into getting fansubs, and yet you never watched the other series?
Why?  

The consensus is that they are better.

On 28 Apr 2001 22:59:25 GMT, julesk...@aol.comdiespam (JulesKD72)
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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 17:36:09 -0700
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs
That seems kinda contrived and gimicky, especially since they are not
related as family members or as members of a single organization.  Is
it explained, in the fansubs, why random individuals are named 1, 2,
3, 4, ...?  Are they the choosen children of God?  Do the writers have
a number fetish?  Are they just lazy?  Crazy?  Fanbois?

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 17:36:14 -0700
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs
Jules (below) seems to disagree with you regarding the accuracy of the
English translation and the quality of plot in Gundam Wing.  Is he
alone in his view?

Who's viewpoint is correct?

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Date: 29 Apr 2001 00:41:05 GMT
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs

>You seem to love every aspect of Gundam Wing, done extended research
>into getting fansubs, and yet you never watched the other series?
>Why?  

>The consensus is that they are better.

Because I live in an anime vaccuum.  :(  I like to preview things before I buy
them, and anime is very, VERY scarce around here. The closest place I can even
buy them once I decide on them (barring the internet) is 50 miles away and has
a teensy selection. I've seen Gundam once or twice. Even so, I like to know
what I'm getting into before I spend my money.

Plus I just spent way too much on Sorcerer Hunters.  :D

<<
Jules (below) seems to disagree with you regarding the accuracy of the
English translation and the quality of plot in Gundam Wing.  Is he
alone in his view?

Who's viewpoint is correct?>>

I'm a girl, but that's okay, I get that a lot with my name. I guess it all
depends upon which translation you're reading. There are loads of translations
out there. It doesn't change the outright story of Wing, but it does change the
feelings and motivations of it. The only example I can think of now is a scene
in which Zechs, in his horribly acted American voice, asks Otto, "planning on
dying, are you?" In that sneaky overly-villainous voice they gave him. But in a
few other translations I've read, he's saying something more like, "you're
going to die for me, aren't you?" And in the original voice, he doesn't sound
sleazy or sneaky at all, he sounds a bit regretful. It's differences like that
which make or break a scene for me.

You ought to give a listen to the original, it's much less annoying!

later!

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:27:48 -0700
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs

lboansvgan wrote:

> That seems kinda contrived and gimicky, especially since they are not
> related as family members or as members of a single organization.

I think this is another plot point that is lost in the American
translation.  They are all trained terrorist working on behalf of the
colonies.  Heero's name in particular holds a certain amount of irony
since it's that of a pacifist killed for his outspoken views on colonial
liberation.  (I think....it's been awhile)

Their names are meant to be code names similar in the way that terrorist
organizations name individual "cells" that carry out objectives.

Later.....
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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:37:55 -0700
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs

Kwesi Ako Kennedy wrote in message <3AEB6E15.D75C7...@pacbell.net>...
>Their names are meant to be code names similar in the way that terrorist
>organizations name individual "cells" that carry out objectives.

Actually, all evidence suggests Quatre and Wufei are those characters' real
names.  But, yes, Heero, Duo, and Trowa use code-names.

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:01:34 -0500
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs

"KireiSarah" wrote...

> Quatre: 4 (I don't know how to spell it in French. Catre? Or is it spelled
like
> this?)

The French word for "four" is spelled "quatre", so Quatre's name is properly
spelled.

> Wufei: 5 ("wu" is 5 in Chinese)
> Zechs: 6 (I think this is some kind of play on the German pronounciation?

x.o;)

No, not wordplay -- "zechs" is "six" in German.

> Noin: 9 (French again?)

No, probably German again -- "nine" in French is "neuf".

> Treize: 13 (French or Italian, I can't recall which)

It's French, again. Odd, though, pairing a French name with a Middle
Eastern-sounding name like "Khushrenada".

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:03:14 -0500
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs

"JulesKD72" wrote...

> And don't sit there and tell me none of you people snicker everytime
someone
> makes a reference to Zechs / Noin.  LOL just kidding.  :)

Well, they *are* lovers, you know. But the 6/9 juxtaposition could have been
a coincidence...

... I hope. O_O;;;;

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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:21:52 -0700
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs

Glenn Shaw wrote in message ...
>"JulesKD72" wrote...

>> And don't sit there and tell me none of you people snicker everytime
>> someone makes a reference to Zechs / Noin.  LOL just kidding.  :)

>Well, they *are* lovers, you know.

Do we have proof of this?  Yes, they do seem attracted to each other, but
nowhere do we see them do even so much as kiss...

>But the 6/9 juxtaposition could have been a coincidence...
>... I hope. O_O;;;;

I'm not so sure it is.

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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs

lboansvgan <lboansv...@aol.com> wrote in message

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> Q1: How true is the CN dubbed Gundam Wing to the original Japanese
> storyline?

Completely true.  This is probably the most accurately done anime ever on US
television.  Even in the cut version, the edits are quite minimal.

I realize it is tailored towards a teenage boy's fantasy

> life of being the ones best suited to piloting giant fighting robots.
> Also, it gets boring when the never-in-real-danger Gundams are
> destroying countless enemies at will and blowing up huge asteroids and
> space cities with one shot.  However, I occasionally find it a
> semi-decent way to past time, especially when I can fast forward past
> the boring fight scenes.

The fight scenes aren't Gundam Wing's strong suit, especially with all the
reused stock animation.

Fight scenes in Gundam Wing:Endless Waltz, on the other hand, kick _arse_.

> What I can't stand are the personalities of most of the Gundam pilots
> and their friends.  Hiro is the worst one.  He keeps blowing up his
> Gundams for no good reason; his Gundams are invicible and Hiro is
> nearly invicible but he keeps brooding about some
> no-need-for-gundams-anymore crap and then blowing up his well made
> robots time and time again.

Er- he only blows it up once.  He _tries_ to blow it up a couple of times,
though.

But soon he realizes he needs a Gundam

> again.  What a stupid fool!  Catra is weak minded in that he copies

You mean Quatre.

> Hiro in blowing up his Gundam and then goes on a childish destructive
> spree when his dad acts stupid and kills himself despite having an
> option to escape and live.  Jet Li could have been cool but he starts
> acting stupid, becomes a coward, becomes irrational towards Vex's
> offer, and then fights his Gundam friends out of stupidity.  Hick Guy
> who has the most annoying dubbed voice seems quite evil in that he
> revels in killing.  Relina Peacecraft who acts likes a brainless fool
> constantly promoting pure peace to a aggressive war manufacturer who
> killed her father, destroyed their kingdom in their past and is taking
> more steps towards global war (with no showing of considering peace).
> These idiots need to graduate from high school, go to college, before
> they should be allowed to ramble about their immature, inflexible,
> multi-flawed philosophies (e.g.,

peace-at-all-costs-even-if-it-means-being-conquered-by-evil-or-being-killed -
by-evil

> and
> I-have-been-a-soldier-therefore-I-must-fight-forever-or-join-the-circus,
> a wannabee-samurai mentality).

> I do find some characters interesting.  Vexs Marquis? is a fine

That's Zechs Merquise.

> focused fighter who's plan to infiltrate Oz as a youth and destroy it
> now finds himself permanently altered by the soldier's mentaility.
> Ms. Loins?/Noin?

Noin.

> is an kind, intelligent, and loyal officer to Vexs
> Marquis; she is probably the most likable of the female characters.

Agreed.  She's one of my favorite characters in the series.

> Troll-ah is very mysterious and cool.

_Trowa_.  Geez, you're really batting a thousand with the names today.:P

> Troll-ah, other than his
> ridiculously long front bangs, seems to act like Vex but has gotten
> closer to achieving his goal of destroying Oz.  Lady Un has split
> personalities which are nearly opposite of each other.

> Q2: Are the character named the same in Japanese?

Exactly the same.  Like I said, this is the most accurately translated anime
ever on US television.

> For example, are
> the Peacecrafts really called Peacecrafts in Japanese because it
> sounds like a dubber who liked the Warcraft computer games decided to
> use "Peacecraft" as a way to signify the extreme pacifism of the
> Peacecrafts (and as a tribute to his favorite computer game).

Nope.  Relena Peacecraft is Relena Peacecraft.

> Also,
> what is Catra?  It rhymes with Kuma Sultra but in keeping with the
> descriptive use of names, he could be better named as Catboy or
> Cathead in that he looks like a cat with round head and big eyes. :p

No, no, no, no, no.  _Quatre_.  As in French for the number four.  Many of
the names of the Gundam Wing characters are numbers in various languages.
Heero=Japanese representing 1,
Wufei=5,
Duo=2,
Trowa is actually "trois" which is French for 3,
Quatre is French for 4,
Zechs= German for 6,
Noin=French for 9
Treize= French for 13
Quinze= French for 15.

> Q3: Are the other Gundam series better in that they have more grown up
> protagonists with better, more realistic motivations?  Are all the
> Gundam series connected with each other like a timeline or are they
> alternate universes?

Alternate universes.  Most people who've seen it agree that the original
Gundam universe, which goes by the Universal Century calendar, is the best
of them.

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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs

lboansvgan <lboansv...@aol.com> wrote in message

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> Jules (below) seems to disagree with you regarding the accuracy of the
> English translation and the quality of plot in Gundam Wing.  Is he
> alone in his view?

> Who's viewpoint is correct?

Well, to give you an idea, even the professional anime translator Neil
Nadelman has posted here saying that the Gundam Wing translation is _too_
perfect.

Fans say a lot of subtleties are lost in the dub, but having seen the entire
dub of the series and the first 40 episodes fansubbed, I can say that a good
deal of it is probably people reading too much into some of the dialog...

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> >Q1: How true is the CN dubbed Gundam Wing to the original Japanese
> >storyline?

> AHHHH!  NO! IMO the dubbing is terrible, just awful. So much of the
meaning and
> nuances and subtlety is lost. It doesn't seem like it at first, but GW is
a
> very subtle show and therein is its beauty.

You know, judging from some of the Gundam Wing fan reaction, you'd think the
dub was edited by Carl Macek with a chainsaw...

Anime on television had never come as close to the original as GW.  I've
seen the fansubs several times as well- sometimes the same episode back to
back, dub and sub, for comparison- and frankly I couldn't notice much of a
difference.

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Date: 29 Apr 2001 04:46:57 GMT
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>Anime on television had never come as close to the original as GW.  I've
>seen the fansubs several times as well- sometimes the same episode back to
>back, dub and sub, for comparison- and frankly I couldn't notice much of a
>difference.

Again, it depends what your sources are. I've read a few scripts on the
internet, and have found great differences. However, I don't speak Japanese,
and until I do, I could never say for sure.

however, evn if you go by just the voices alone, there are hugely different
interpretations. Duo as a dumb sounding surfer dude, and Zechs as a cliche
villian with a hair stuck in his throat were the worst for me. Duo was not as
braindead as Scott MacNiel portrayed him. Duo actually has a quick mind in the
series. Zechs is not a slithering, mincing cliche in a red jacket as Brian
Drummond portrayed him.

However, when you come down to vocal quality and actual acting, those are just
opinions on aesthetics, with nothing to back them except the fact that "I said
so, so there." I find the dubbed version crappy.

(Except for dreamy Mark Hildreth. *sigh!*  ^_^  Now THAT is a voice to melt
for, even if he makes Heero sound like he's about 30... or maybe because...)
LOL

later!

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JulesKD72 <julesk...@aol.comdiespam> wrote in message

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> >Anime on television had never come as close to the original as GW.  I've
> >seen the fansubs several times as well- sometimes the same episode back
to
> >back, dub and sub, for comparison- and frankly I couldn't notice much of
a
> >difference.

> Again, it depends what your sources are. I've read a few scripts on the
> internet, and have found great differences. However, I don't speak
Japanese,
> and until I do, I could never say for sure.

The most widely demanded professional anime translator has said that it was
almost anally accurate to the point where the dialog didn't sound natural in
spots- I'd say that's a pretty good source.

And keep in mind that a dub translation and a straight translation are
inherently meant to be a little different.

> however, evn if you go by just the voices alone, there are hugely
different
> interpretations. Duo as a dumb sounding surfer dude, and Zechs as a cliche
> villian with a hair stuck in his throat were the worst for me. Duo was not
as
> braindead as Scott MacNiel portrayed him.

I have to disagree here.  We're not exactly talking about Bill and Ted with
the dub.  I've always thought of him as friendly, laid back, and the only
guy with a sense of humor in the entire series.

Duo actually has a quick mind in the

> series. Zechs is not a slithering, mincing cliche in a red jacket as Brian
> Drummond portrayed him.

Yes, he was portrayed that way- at first.  Watch the dub of Endless Waltz
again and you might change your mind.  His voice is _noticeably_ more
subdued as the series goes on.

And you know, I hope you do appreciate the fact that Gundam Wing's fate on
television is about ten times better than what happened to any other anime
series... I mean, can you imagine what might have happened if, say, Dic got
their hands on the series?

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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 16:41:58 +1000
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs
On 28 Apr 2001, Khaos512 wrote:

> The english translation of Wing, much like most, Bandai anime releases are
> accurate, and yes it is "Peacecraft" in the Japanese version too. Gundam Wing
> is a very below-average Gundam series, I suggest getting into the Universal
> Century timeline and picking up fansubs of Zeta Gundam (one of the best anime
> series' of all time),  the awesome 0080-0083 OVA's or wait for the MS Gundam
> 0079(the original series) and 8th MS Team DVDs.

I've seen Gundam W, Gundam X, and Gundam F91 the movie.

They're all crap; Wing's the best. no comment on other gundam though.

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On 29 Apr 2001, JulesKD72 wrote:

What?!  The chara he plays is a monotonous bore.
How the heck can you get anything from that voice,
let alone dreamy?!  ^_^

BTW, AFAIK, nothing or hardly anything was cut in Toonami,
either version.  The edits are mostly for language and blood.

Laters. =)

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"Arnold Kim" <k...@erols.com> wrote in <9cg18g$sm...@bob.news.rcn.net>:

>lboansvgan <lboansv...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> Q3: Are the other Gundam series better in that they have more grown up
>> protagonists with better, more realistic motivations?  Are all the
>> Gundam series connected with each other like a timeline or are they
>> alternate universes?

The Gundam shows set in the original universe (Universal Century or UC) are
a lot grittier (more death, more complex stories, less flashy) on the
whole, even when you factor in that there's some comic relief in the
original MS Gundam series. I don't know what you would call "more
realistic" motivations but the protagonists in the UC series tend to be
thrown into the cockpits of their Gundams through fate rather than being
born and breed into the role like the Wing boys. And there's a level of
parapsychology thrown in via the concept of the "Newtype" (people with
empathic abilities who are more highly evolved than normal humans). In that
sense it's more metaphysical but the mobile suits in the UC tend to be more
equal in power level with each other so there's a stronger sense of
struggle and conflict than in Gundam Wing, where the Gundams overpower
their enemies relatively easily. The protagonists in UC Gundam tend to be
more emotional than the stoic Gundam Wing boys but that's because they
aren't trained killers like Heero, Wufei, etc.

There are 4 separate Gundam universes with the original UC being by far the
largest. But a new series, Turn A Gundam, set in yet another timeline
actually contained elements of all the previous shows so it might be said
that Turn A Gundam actually puts all 4 previous universes together (even if
the fine details are never explained by the writers).

>Alternate universes.  Most people who've seen it agree that the original
>Gundam universe, which goes by the Universal Century calendar, is the
>best of them.

Well, seeing as how the Universal Century consists of four 40+ episode TV
series, three OVAs, and three original movies (counting the live-action G-
Saviour), it's hard to really compare to the After Colony era (one TV
series plus one OVA series), Future Century era (one TV series), and After
War era (also only TV series) and the CC-era (also one TV series).

Kind of like trying to compare the original Macross universe (Macross,
Macross: Do You Remember Love?, Macross Plus, Macross 7, Macross Dynamite
7) to the Macross II universe (consisting of just one, 6 episode OVA).
Pretty lopsided.


 
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Date: 29 Apr 2001 15:23:22 GMT
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>The most widely demanded professional anime translator has said that it was
>almost anally accurate to the point where the dialog didn't sound natural in
>spots- I'd say that's a pretty good source.

Perhaps you're right on that. But, when I first read the scripts (without
having seen the subbed version) I got vastly different impressions. Wishiful
thinking on the part of the subbers maybe? Either way, I liked their grittier
interpretations better.

<<>Duo was not

>as
>> braindead as Scott MacNiel portrayed him.

>I have to disagree here.  We're not exactly talking about Bill and Ted with
>the dub.  

Oh yeah we are!  :D  To me, that's exactly what he sounded like.

<<>I've always thought of him as friendly, laid back, and the only

>guy with a sense of humor in the entire series.

That's true, but I think he comes across that way in the subbed. In the dub, he
just sounds like an annoying noink. And he overdoes it, too. Someone needs to
shove a wet sock in his mouth.  ^_^

> Zechs is not a slithering, mincing cliche in a red jacket as Brian
>> Drummond portrayed him.

>Yes, he was portrayed that way- at first.  Watch the dub of Endless Waltz
>again and you might change your mind.  His voice is _noticeably_ more
>subdued as the series goes on.

Exactly, he changes it about halfway through the series in fact. Another thing
that bugged me. He still sounds doofy, just not quite as "did I mention I
was... VILLIANOUS?!!"

ANd did you also notice that they changed voice actors for Sally about a
quarter of the way through as well?  (??)

<<>And you know, I hope you do appreciate the fact that Gundam Wing's fate on

>television is about ten times better than what happened to any other anime
>series... I mean, can you imagine what might have happened if, say, Dic got
>their hands on the series?

 Heh, I'm selfish; I don't care if it dies out, as long as I get my greedy
hands on it first, and let all the (I'm going to use the word here) poseurs go
back to listening to backstreet boys. I'm sick of going into the one store that
carries any kind of anime and hearing kids squealing about how CUUUUUTE and
SWWWEEEEET Quatre is. That cute and sweet boy went nuts and killed thousands of
people...

Oh well! Talk to you later!

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Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:30:19 -0700
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Subject: Re: 3 Gundam Wing Qs

JulesKD72 wrote:
>  Heh, I'm selfish; I don't care if it dies out, as long as I get my greedy
> hands on it first, and let all the (I'm going to use the word here) poseurs go
> back to listening to backstreet boys. I'm sick of going into the one store that
> carries any kind of anime and hearing kids squealing about how CUUUUUTE and
> SWWWEEEEET Quatre is. That cute and sweet boy went nuts and killed thousands of
> people...

Woah...scary.....

I've never seen a scene like that.

The most tickling anime buying experience I've ever had is when I caught
a father in a yamakule (sp?) trying to decide over Card Captors or
Pokemon 2000.  His religion was not the funny part, it's just that he
was kind of frumpy and it his head gear kind of added to the vexation
that was on his face over which DVD was the best choice.  I imagine a
daughter or niece that he was indebted to has played her trump card and
now he had to ante-up.  Either that or he just wanted to get something
that didn't get the "oh.....yea......thanks....." reaction.

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