Ping: Mike / Starcade. Have you written a manifesto?
bil...@yahoo.com
I was wondering if you have taken the time to wite a manifesto? Have
you ever published it?? I'd like to read it if you have one.
Also, have you ever considered writing a letter to the FCC or any
other government body? Perhaps directly to the Persident??
Take good care,
Bill N.
Long Island - New York
Derek Janssen
> Hello Mike,
>
> I was wondering if you have taken the time to wite a manifesto? Have
> you ever published it?? I'd like to read it if you have one.
>
> Also, have you ever considered writing a letter to the FCC or any
> other government body? Perhaps directly to the Persident??
Okay, Bill?--I've been thinking we should chat for a sec...Say, what's
that on your collar? <grabs by scruff and drags over to corner>
Yes, we know: You either think you're a maverick, or you think you've
found your own private Malcolm X.
Answer: No, and no.
All you've succeeded in doing is either A) making yourself sound like a
COMPLETELY naive idiot who believes every single thing he reads on the
Magic Internet, or else B)...remember when we were talking about those
30's businessmen who kept saying "Well, yes, that housepainter fellow
may be a bit silly, but at least he's getting Germany's industries
running again!"
(Which made *them* either look like they'd been played for naively
wishful saps, or else gave us A Little Too Much Information[tm] about
where THEY stood.)
So....what's it going to be?:
Would you *like* to still have conversations with the rest of the group,
or would you like your Messiah of St. Looney to take you down with him?
We're perfectly willing to let that happen, but gigglestock or pariah,
it's YOUR choice.
You're free to choose "None of the above", any time you see fit.
Derek Janssen
eja...@verizon.net
Rob Kelk
>Hello Mike,
<snip>
Troll-feeder.
<plonk>
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Derek Janssen
> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:29:46 -0400, bil...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Hello Mike,
>
> <snip>
> Troll-feeder.
> <plonk>
No, not YET: He officially becomes "I'll show that mean ol' uncaring
group for picking on my pal!" status and starts whooping with the
redskins with the *next* post--
Right now, Bill's still at the childlike "What would Brian Botano do?
@_@ " stage, where he's ready to pedestal anyone he *HOPES* might
"sympathize" with something he himself happened to be thinking at the
moment and is getting a bigger soapbox than he can.
Which, to be fair, is how a lot of new young terrorists first sign up
for the bombings, especially the dopey copycat ones.
Over here, though, we're a little older and more experienced, and know
an aging attention-starved shtick-whoring K00kmeister when we see one.
Derek Janssen (and we don't want TWO of them)
eja...@verizon.net
bil...@yahoo.com
<eja...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
I know top-posting is evil. Please excuse me. I was writing a reply
and the I tried to "Save as Draft" in Forte Agent. Now I don't know
how to reload the message that I was in the middle of writing. I
didn't see anything maked "retrieve draft message".
Sorry,
Bill N.
Long Island - New York
>Rob Kelk wrote:
Derek Janssen
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:44:52 GMT, Derek Janssen
> <eja...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>> Troll-feeder.
>>> <plonk>
>> Right now, Bill's still at the childlike "What would Brian Botano do?
>> @_@ " stage, where he's ready to pedestal anyone he *HOPES* might
>> "sympathize" with something he himself happened to be thinking at the
>> moment and is getting a bigger soapbox than he can.
>> Which, to be fair, is how a lot of new young terrorists first sign up
>> for the bombings, especially the dopey copycat ones.
>
> I know top-posting is evil. Please excuse me.
(He thought we were complaining about Top-posting, ladies and gentlemen.
-_-
Four posts so far asking him baseball-bat politely to knock off the
Renfield act of kissing-up to Asshat-Boy, and he thought we were
complaining because he didn't use the right netiquette form in doing it...)
Derek Janssen (um.....you're CLOSE)
eja...@verizon.net
Starcade
Change No One Should Believe In's hands.
You realize you are about to get annihilated on this newsgroup.
If you're joking: Stop. It's destroying your credibility.
If you're not: Be careful, for the same reason.
I have filed numerous complaints with the FCC (on several subjects),
finding them to be abjectly useless, as they basically choose to
ignore their own federal laws, unless the power of GAWD is involved.
Mike
Derek Janssen
>
> You realize you are about to get annihilated on this newsgroup.
>
> If you're joking: Stop. It's destroying your credibility.
> If you're not: Be careful, for the same reason.
(And when even Starky says you're making a fool of yourself, trust
him...You ARE.)
Derek Janssen (take it as advice coming from an EXPERT) :)
eja...@verizon.net
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bil...@yahoo.com
Dear Mike,
Wow.......... Gimmie' a moment to pick myself up off the floor! I'm
just so stunned..... Phew......... I can't even imagine where to go
with this. I guess it's nowhere. I *have* this big, well thought-out
posting in the works. I guess I'll just save it in my drafts folder.
Perhaps it's somethig I can recycle in the future. Mike, if I have any
questions for you, I write to you off the NG.
What suprises me is that by posting the message above, you're
admitting guilt. Basically, confirming that you.......... truly are a
wackaloon?? I feel I should say something, but I speechless. I simply
don't know where to go................... I'm truly sorry about that.
I guess the best thing to do at this point is say: "Issue resolved."
Thank you for your time, effort and consideration in this matter.
Very best wishes and warmest regards,
Bill N.
I-Con Science Fiction, Inc.
Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)
es me is that by posting the message above, you're
> admitting guilt. Basically, confirming that you.......... truly are a
> wackaloon??
He doesn't actually admit that, just admits that everyone HERE calls
him one. He believes he's the one sane voice in the wilderness. "They
laughed at Galileo! And Einstein!"
Unfortunately he forgets that a lot more people also laughed at Bozo
the Clown.
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Live Journal: http://seawasp.livejournal.com
Rob Kelk
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>bil...@yahoo.com wrote:
>es me is that by posting the message above, you're
>> admitting guilt. Basically, confirming that you.......... truly are a
>> wackaloon??
>
> He doesn't actually admit that, just admits that everyone HERE calls
>him one. He believes he's the one sane voice in the wilderness. "They
>laughed at Galileo! And Einstein!"
>
> Unfortunately he forgets that a lot more people also laughed at Bozo
>the Clown.
I use this as a sigquote on one of the two webfora I have accounts on:
"They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the
Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan, "Brocas's Brain"
And I'll select another appropriate quote for this post's .signature...
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"When a person can no longer laugh at himself, it is time for others
to laugh at him."
- Thomas Szasz, "The Second Sin", 1973
Travers
You got *wooooshed*. His response went right over your head.
(For Bill: He knew you were baiting him)
Starcade
Bill N.: Another victim of truth by consensus.
Mike (Damn. Thought there were three intelligent people left on this
newsgroup.)
Giovanni Wassen
> Hello Mike,
>
> I was wondering if you have taken the time to wite a manifesto? Have
> you ever published it?? I'd like to read it if you have one.
>
> Also, have you ever considered writing a letter to the FCC or any
> other government body? Perhaps directly to the Persident??
About what? Complaining about these poor souls here who actually buy and
watch anime?
He can whine all he wants, but we, the poor souls who are destroying the
industry, actually do the things he claims we don't.
--
Gio *yeah,yeah, I know it was trollbait*
http://www.watkijkikoptv.info
http://myanimelist.net/profile/extatix
http://watkijkikoptv.info/animeblog
bil...@yahoo.com
<eja...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote:
>Rob Kelk wrote:
>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:29:46 -0400, bil...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Mike,
>>
>> <snip>
>> Troll-feeder.
>> <plonk>
Plonk?
>No, not YET: He officially becomes "I'll show that mean ol' uncaring
>group for picking on my pal!" status and starts whooping with the
>redskins with the *next* post--
I didn't say that I consider Mike a friend or associate. I've never
met this person. My goal was to simply acknowledge that I have seen
some things that he has talked about in his passed messages.
After my little one went to bed for the night, I had some time to comb
through the anime binary groups. A title caught my eye: " Elemental
Hunters". << Whip out your slap-him-across-the-face fish (Mackrel?)
now. Feel free to use it if I start to sound too much like Mike. I'm
going to try very hard not to. >> When I looked at the video, I
noticed that it still had the NHKE ("E" as in NHK for the East coast
of Japan, I presume?) digital watermark in the upper right-hand
corner. What was the turn-around time from when this aired in Japan to
when it the fansubbers made it available on the NG and as a torrent,
with the commericials cut out? 72 hours max, I presume? The episode I
downloaded (as a sample - to see if it's something I want to watch)
was #12. If there's going to 26 episodes in this series, it means the
series is half-over. Even with the notoriously low salaries that
Japanese animators make, did domestic (Japan) revenue from.........
anything (advertising?) give the production company enough money to
recuperate payroll? I honestly don't know. I admit I don't know
enough about the system works. However, seeing the NHK watermark on
the image makes me think that Mike is correct: Money *is* hemorrhaging
from somewhere. << End of Mike-like rant. Put away the fish.>> If you
know more about how this works, please feel to speak up.
I presume that the main problem people here have with Mike is this: He
has and gives correct information. However, his conclusions are not
only wrong but absurd. He then presents his incorrect and absurd
conclusions in a rude, unpolished manner. This, in turn, angers other
users of the NG??
>Right now, Bill's still at the childlike "What would Brian Botano do?
After a quick search, I found an article on Wikipedia. I didn't take
the time to look for the cartoon that was the prototype of South Park.
South Park really doesn't intrest me. However, I guess I could force
myself to watch the prototype if people with more anime expirence than
I say it would teach me something that's important. Somebody care to
send me a YouTube link??
>@_@ " stage, where he's ready to pedestal anyone
Well..... I was auctually hoping that he would provide some insight
into how and why he thinks what he does. If that constuties me putting
him up on a pedistal...... I appologize to the group. I now know that
I should have asked for his manifesto in a private email and not ping
the NG. Wait a minute... Did I look at the headers for Mike's vailid
emaill address?? <<A ghostly version of the Jeporardy 30 second
countdown theme play inside my head.>> No.... I was lazy and took the
easy way out by pinging the NG. * You don't have to agree with
somebody to get valuable information out of them. Especially if
they're willing to give it to you.*
>he *HOPES* might
>"sympathize" with something he himself happened to be thinking at the
>moment and is getting a bigger soapbox than he can.
I have no plans to step up on any soap box when it come to anime.
Believe me, I have *way* more important thing to do than to stand up
on a soap box for anime. I am a single parent. I'm 39 (6/24/1970) and
she's was 9 on Nov., 1st. 2009. Do you think I have the time and
enegry to stand on the soap box for anime?? If I turn the computer,
TV and DVD player off, the anime issues go away. In the final analsys:
Anime are cartoons and there's a *lot* more things going on in the
world than cartoons. The US economy, (un)employment, Health Insurance
Benefits, the US's crumbling infrastructure, the value of the Dollar
Vs. other world currencys, the list goes on and
on.....................
>Which, to be fair, is how a lot of new young terrorists first sign up
>for the bombings, especially the dopey copycat ones.
Wow.......... Gimmie' a moment to pick myself up off the floor
Phew......... I can't even imagine where to go with this. Let me say
this: I think the major diffrence between Starcade and I is that I
know when to end a discussion. When to look somebody in the eye and
say: "Ok, I understand. I don't agree but I understand. All boiled
down, anime are just cartoons and there's more thing's going on in the
world that are more important than cartons." From his passed posts,
it's kinda obvious that this is a basic *social grace* (wow.... I
really wish Usenet supported bold and italic) that Stacade lacks. Let
me be clear: I'm not going to get on a plane and go all the way to Las
Vegas to get into a fight. If I'm going to invest the *money*, time,
enegry and effort into going to an anime convention, I'm going to buy
stuff from the dealer's room, watch anime that I enjoy (old-skool) and
make new friends. I'm not looking for a black eye and broken teeth.
On the Usenet, web and real-world, I've seen a lot of diffrent writing
styles and attitudes. I suspect if Mike took the time to refine and
polish his writing a bit more, it would be easier for readers on this
NG to digest, even if you didn't agree with what he wrote.
>Over here, though, we're a little older and more experienced,
Yes....... I admit that there are a lot of people here that have a lot
more experience than I have. I only watch a small number of shows from
when I was growing up - I'm old skool. Gatchaman, Gatchaman II,
Gatchaman Fighter, Space Battleship Yamato, Galaxy Express 999, Select
Lupin The 3rd titles, The Macross saga and Bubblegum Crisis. The
freshest anime I've watched is Sky Girls, Rideback and Scecret of
Cerulean Sand. I don't have the time or resources to watch everything.
Also, being that I'm 39, there are titles coming out of Japan that
aren't targeted towards me and that just don't intrest me.
> and know
>an aging attention-starved
Well......... Seeing that I'm pushing 40 and that by internet
standards, that makes me *really old*, I guess I deserve that.
> shtick-whoring K00kmeister when we see one.
I can't even imagine where to go with that..........
>Derek Janssen (and we don't want TWO of them)
>eja...@verizon.net
Take good care. Thank you very much for your understanding in this
matter.
Best Regards,
Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers
> On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:44:52 GMT, Derek Janssen wrote:
>> Rob Kelk wrote:
>>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:29:46 -0400, bil...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> Hello Mike,
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>> Troll-feeder.
>>> <plonk>
>
> Plonk?
_P_lease _L_eave _O_ur _N_ewsgroup, _K_id. Also the sound of someone
falling into someone else's killfile. Meaning that the latter someone
won't be reading any more posts written by the former someone.
> I presume that the main problem people here have with Mike is this: He
> has and gives correct information. However, his conclusions are not
> only wrong but absurd. He then presents his incorrect and absurd
> conclusions in a rude, unpolished manner. This, in turn, angers other
> users of the NG??
If by "correct information" you mean "crude mix of superstition,
opinion, unsubstantiated claims and very little fact", then yes.
cu
59cobalt
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flaw in my character."
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Invid Fan
Wiechers <usene...@planetcobalt.net> wrote:
> bil...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:44:52 GMT, Derek Janssen wrote:
> >> Rob Kelk wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:29:46 -0400, bil...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>> Hello Mike,
> >>>
> >>> <snip>
> >>> Troll-feeder.
> >>> <plonk>
> >
> > Plonk?
>
> _P_lease _L_eave _O_ur _N_ewsgroup, _K_id. Also the sound of someone
> falling into someone else's killfile. Meaning that the latter someone
> won't be reading any more posts written by the former someone.
>
Given Derek seems to have vanished, it may also have been the sound of
him accidentally walking into a tree.
--
Chris Mack *quote under construction*
'Invid Fan'
Rob Kelk
wrote:
While I've been tempted to plonk Derek in the past, this time around it
was Bill that I plonked.
(And since it was a first "offense" against my rationality, he was only
banished to the one-week killfile. His posts are back in my article
spool now.)