fushigi yuugi...
We Are Our Daughters' Mothers
cliches recycled since ancient anime history, twerpy characters, shallow
female twits, featherweight plot, awful art designs all amounting to a big
zero.
and this is supposed to be one of 90s best? oh the pity...
Basara's News
"We Are Our Daughters' Mothers" <ditas...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Congratulations - you watched the setup, and tuned yourself out before
execution. For example, the character development doesn't even get going
full-bore until the revelation of Noriko's secret, or Tamahome's money
motivation, or any of the rest.
Are you people so used to channel surfing on TV, that you are incapable of
waiting 3-5 episodes for the character to break out of "story-set-up mode",
anymore? It's an established fact that the longer a series is to be,
starting out, the less is revealed about the characters initially. And
without those revelations, the first 15 minutes of just about any show will
generally be "the same old thing" - or, if you look at 15 minutes of random
show, without context.
I'm no fan of Evangelion, myself, but how cliche would it look if all you
got to see was 15 minutes of the "synchronized combat" episode? Or, the
first 15 minutes of the first episode of Escaflowne, sans opening? Or
Macross, if all you saw was the big combat in Episode #27???
If you went in, expecting to be bowled over by 15 minutes, or not at all,
then you're in the wrong fandom, pal.
Stan
Anthony D. Baranyi
"We Are Our Daughters' Mothers" <ditas...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> could barely stand 15 min of this insipid rot. tired, with nothings but
> cliches recycled since ancient anime history, twerpy characters, shallow
> female twits, featherweight plot, awful art designs all amounting to a big
> zero.
>
> and this is supposed to be one of 90s best? oh the pity...
>
>
Don't confuse "popular" with "best"...
Actually, a lot of people find recycled history, twerpy characters, shallow
female twits, and featherweight plots to be enormously satisfying - look at
the "historical novel" business. FY is essentially an animated "bodice
ripper"-style historical novel, which to an extent, is what allows the art
design to take second place to the "chase, capture, escape" plot and
"unrequited passion" characterization - both of which are standard in
"BR's".
You either "like the stuff" or you don't. ( I watched the entire series and
it remains one of my least favorite anime. )
Dave Baranyi
Robyn, Duke of Amber
this has got to be Gaza....
How could you do such a review- with comments on plot, characters etc and
only see 15 min.....?
pull the other one...it's got bells on
Neil
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, We Are Our Daughters' Mothers wrote:
> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 06:59:32 GMT
> From: We Are Our Daughters' Mothers <ditas...@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime.misc
> Subject: fushigi yuugi...
>
> could barely stand 15 min of this insipid rot. tired, with nothings but
> cliches recycled since ancient anime history, twerpy characters, shallow
> female twits, featherweight plot, awful art designs all amounting to a big
> zero.
>
> and this is supposed to be one of 90s best? oh the pity...
>
>
>
>
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>
> Congratulations - you watched the setup, and tuned yourself out before
> execution. For example, the character development doesn't even get going
> full-bore until the revelation of Noriko's secret, or Tamahome's money
> motivation, or any of the rest.
This has got to be Gaza or one of the other Bridge-Dwellers....
>
> I'm no fan of Evangelion, myself, but how cliche would it look if all you
> got to see was 15 minutes of the "synchronized combat" episode?
You know just watching that with no warning would probably blow up my
brain.
N.
Animeg3282
>Are you people so used to channel surfing on TV, that you are incapable of
>waiting 3-5 episodes for the character to break out of "story-set-up mode",
>anymore? It's an established fact that the longer a series is to be,
>starting out, the less is revealed about the characters initially. And
>without those revelations, the first 15 minutes of just about any show will
>generally be "the same old thing" - or, if you look at 15 minutes of random
>show, without context.
>
Although, the first 4 episodes of a show must grab me because anime is so
expensive. You can't just buy tape after tape hoping that it'll be better, you
know?
Hana no Kaitou
Pledged to the Way of the Wimp
"Kero Kero!" Mimori, KeroKero Chime
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http://www.themestream.com/authors/71409.html<-- some of my writing
Animeg3282
>Don't confuse "popular" with "best"...
That's true. I think MTT! is better than DBZ but guess what's more popular?
>
>Actually, a lot of people find recycled history, twerpy characters, shallow
>female twits, and featherweight plots to be enormously satisfying - look at
>the "historical novel" business. FY is essentially an animated "bodice
>ripper"-style historical novel, which to an extent, is what allows the art
>design to take second place to the "chase, capture, escape" plot and
>"unrequited passion" characterization - both of which are standard in
>"BR's".
>
>You either "like the stuff" or you don't. ( I watched the entire series and
>it remains one of my least favorite anime. )
I watched it all and didn't like it enough to watch it again. If the main
chracter is annoying, there is very little the story can do because the main
chracter is always going toget the most screen time, and all the stories will
revolve around him/her.
Edwin Koshimoto
Farix
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> Hey, is this the one everybody refers to as gaza?
I haven't looked at the headers, but I do recall him using that particular
name before.
Farix
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everything you have ... The course of history shows that as a government
grows, liberty decreases." -- Thomas Jefferson
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> shallow female twits, and featherweight plots to be enormously
> satisfying - look at the "historical novel" business. FY is
> essentially an animated "bodice ripper"-style historical novel, which
> to an extent, is what allows the art design to take second place to
> the "chase, capture, escape" plot and "unrequited passion"
> characterization - both of which are standard in "BR's".
I do think you're selling FY a bit short. I think it had too much
filler, and I think that filler undermined some really good material,
but there WAS a lot of good stuff in that series. I can't really see
how anyone could complain about the art either...
-ZFP
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Before you buy.
Daniel McKay
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, We Are Our Daughters' Mothers wrote:
> could barely stand 15 min of this insipid rot. tired, with nothings but
> cliches recycled since ancient anime history, twerpy characters, shallow
> female twits, featherweight plot, awful art designs all amounting to a big
> zero.
>
> and this is supposed to be one of 90s best? oh the pity...
>
It's a hell of a lot better than Bubblegum Crisis.
From headers: news1.rdc1.il.home.com
Hello, Gaza.
-Dannymon
Sarah Davis
Anthony D. Baranyi wrote in message ...
>
>"We Are Our Daughters' Mothers" <ditas...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:obJq5.27094$ZI2.1...@news1.rdc1.il.home.com...
>> cliches recycled since ancient anime history, twerpy characters, shallow
>> female twits, featherweight plot, awful art designs all amounting to a
big
>> zero.
>>
>> and this is supposed to be one of 90s best? oh the pity...
>>
>>
>
This newsgroup is like one big nonstop twenty-four hour FY knock-a-thon. o.O
I don't expect Gaza to like anything not featuring Priss, but I'd hope
everyone else would keep in mind that FY was an escapist fantasy written for
girls of about the age of twelve. It's *not* going to meet standards set by
more mature series, nor was it intended to. I'm aware that some anime/manga
for the same audience meets with widespread critical acclaim, and that its
target audience is no excuse for FY's failings, but keeping things in
perspective helps.
>Actually, a lot of people find recycled history, twerpy characters, shallow
>female twits, and featherweight plots to be enormously satisfying - look at
>the "historical novel" business. FY is essentially an animated "bodice
>ripper"-style historical novel, which to an extent, is what allows the art
>design to take second place to the "chase, capture, escape" plot and
>"unrequited passion" characterization - both of which are standard in
>"BR's".
Right here is where you're selling its audience short, which is why I
bothered to respond. I love FY. It continues to be my favorite anime TV
series even though people tell me I've seen better. I don't consider myself
easy to please or of low expectations. I find in FY not only what it was
supposed to be -- the aforementioned escapist fantasy -- but also some
components that transcend the material. Anyone who says that FY has nothing
new or significant to offer to anime is, for want of a gentler word, WRONG.
Its faults may be hard to overlook, but it is *not* just "recycled history,
twerpy characters, shallow female twits, and featherweight plots" and poor
"art design." If it were, I wouldn't be defending it now.
Sarah
Sarah Davis
Anthony D. Baranyi wrote in message ...
>
>news:39ac5...@huge.aa.net...
>>
>
>Sarah -
>
>My point about FY and "historical romances" is that they both have fans and
>defenders, both can be very successful, and both have very specific
>audiences. That doesn't make them "good" or "bad", but at the same time
>means that different audiences may not react well to them at all.
Er... Sorry for my previous over-reaction. It's just that with its current
popularity, and because it's been in the limelight, FY has been criticized
tremendously on newsgroups of late. My defensive tendencies are on
hyperdrive right now. ^^;;
Sarah
Daniel McKay
On Tue, 29 Aug 2000, Sarah Davis wrote:
>
> Anthony D. Baranyi wrote in message ...
> >
Testify! Fushigi Yuugi is indeed my favorite show, and though I admit it
has its shortcomings (choppy animation, a heroine that can be a little too
idiotic at times), it has more of an emotional effect on me than any other
anime, and it also is, IMO, one of the few anime TV series with a really
kickass ending.
-Dannymon
Louis Patterson
>
> "We Are Our Daughters' Mothers" <ditas...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:obJq5.27094$ZI2.1...@news1.rdc1.il.home.com...
> > could barely stand 15 min of this insipid rot. tired, with nothings but
> > cliches recycled since ancient anime history, twerpy characters, shallow
> > female twits, featherweight plot, awful art designs all amounting to a big
> > zero.
> >
> > and this is supposed to be one of 90s best? oh the pity...
> >
> >
>
> Don't confuse "popular" with "best"...
>
> Actually, a lot of people find recycled history, twerpy characters, shallow
> female twits, and featherweight plots to be enormously satisfying - look at
> the "historical novel" business. FY is essentially an animated "bodice
> ripper"-style historical novel, which to an extent, is what allows the art
> design to take second place to the "chase, capture, escape" plot and
> "unrequited passion" characterization - both of which are standard in
> "BR's".
>
> You either "like the stuff" or you don't. ( I watched the entire series and
> it remains one of my least favorite anime. )
Um, surely *that's* a bit harsh?
Louis
--
Louis Patterson l.patt...@student.unimelb.edu.au
Louis Patterson
> could barely stand 15 min of this insipid rot. tired, with nothings but
> cliches recycled since ancient anime history, twerpy characters, shallow
> female twits, featherweight plot, awful art designs all amounting to a big
> zero.
Strange; that's what we said. We still watch it though...
> and this is supposed to be one of 90s best? oh the pity...
Louis
--
Louis Patterson l.patt...@student.unimelb.edu.au
Anthony D. Baranyi
Sarah -
My point about FY and "historical romances" is that they both have fans and
defenders, both can be very successful, and both have very specific
audiences. That doesn't make them "good" or "bad", but at the same time
means that different audiences may not react well to them at all.
Dave B
AUSSIE AND HARRIET
"Basara's News" <bas...@kih.net> wrote in message
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>
> "We Are Our Daughters' Mothers" <ditas...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:obJq5.27094$ZI2.1...@news1.rdc1.il.home.com...
> > cliches recycled since ancient anime history, twerpy characters, shallow
> > female twits, featherweight plot, awful art designs all amounting to a
big
> > zero.
> >
>
> execution. For example, the character development doesn't even get going
> full-bore until the revelation of Noriko's secret, or Tamahome's money
> motivation, or any of the rest.
>
look, fushigi yuugi is just a really pompous and dull sailor moon. at least
sailor moon can be appreciated as kiddie porn art which is what takeuchi's
subconscious had in mind. fushigi yuugi also shits all over chinese
culture, desecrating anything and everything in order to sell toys and
merchandise to semi-retarded girls hooked on sham romanticism of shoujo
manga and pipsqueaking to anime karaoke.
Jorge R. Frank
>
<snip crap>
Gaza, how many sockpuppets you gonna pull out of your ass tonight?
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*snip*
He's reusing handles now? x.x;;;
I coulda sworn I've seen this one before.
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Bogey
Sarah Davis wrote in message <39ac5...@huge.aa.net>...
>
>This newsgroup is like one big nonstop twenty-four hour FY knock-a-thon. o.O
>I don't expect Gaza to like anything not featuring Priss, but I'd hope
>everyone else would keep in mind that FY was an escapist fantasy written for
>girls of about the age of twelve. It's *not* going to meet standards set by
>more mature series, nor was it intended to. I'm aware that some anime/manga
>for the same audience meets with widespread critical acclaim, and that its
>target audience is no excuse for FY's failings, but keeping things in
>perspective helps.
>
Easy, Sarah. Don't take it so personal. FY has its problems and a lot of people dislike
it. What's wrong with that? Even you admit that the show has no excuse for its
shortcomings. So what if it's an easy target? We knock other anime too.
Don't get me wrong. FY is not the worst anime in the world. It's just very easy to hate
upon a little reflection. I compare it with junk food. Tastes great when I first start
eating it, but leaves a horrible aftertaste.
- Bogey
Sarah Davis
Bogey wrote in message <39ada...@news1.prserv.net>...
>Easy, Sarah. Don't take it so personal.
I already admitted that I was overreacting. ^^;;
>FY has its problems and a lot of people dislike
>it. What's wrong with that? Even you admit that the show has no excuse for
its
>shortcomings. So what if it's an easy target? We knock other anime too.
I think the horror of it all for my thin-skinned self is that from the
moment FY became popular among the general anime-viewing public, it became
almost *trendy* to attack it.
>Don't get me wrong. FY is not the worst anime in the world. It's just very
easy to hate
>upon a little reflection. I compare it with junk food. Tastes great when I
first start
>eating it, but leaves a horrible aftertaste.
Well, yeah. FY has many problems, not the least of which is the oft noted
lack of replay value. But as soon as I saw FY's follies being traced to its
audience, I took what I think was rightful offense. I couldn't care less if
someone doesn't like "Fushigi Yuugi," but I'll gladly speak my mind in
defense of its fandom.
Sarah
Amalfia
{delete, delete}
Who cares? It's got luscious boys in it. Isn't that a good enough reason?
(at least to sappy idiots like me...)
A.