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Farix

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Oct 27, 2009, 10:17:15 PM10/27/09
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While there were a number of good anime series that has premiered this
fall, whenever I determine which anime series to continue following
after the first couple of episodes, I ask myself, "Will I buy this if/
when it is licensed in the US?"

The answer to ever single one of them was "No". So I've struck out
completely for this season. This is the first time since I've started
downloading fansubs that I've when a season without following one
series. It will be kinda dull for the next few months.

However, let me go list some of the one I did like, though not enough
to make the buy list:

To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
Nyan Koi!

Most of the rest that I previewed was just meh. I was particularly
disappointed in Kobato. since I've liked CLAMP's other works, but I
just couldn't get into this series. It was simply meh! on top of meh!

Dave Baranyi

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Oct 27, 2009, 10:42:05 PM10/27/09
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"Farix" <dhstr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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When your subject stated "This season is a Bust" I naturally assumed that
you were referring to the girls in "Fairy Tale", "Sora no Otoshimono", "Nyan
Koi", and so on and so on... <g>

(Dave Watson will need a lot more space on his BUF website to include this
season.)

BTW - With episode 4 of Sora no Otoshimono I am starting to think that we
may well have found the "Urusei Yatsura" of the 21st Century, at least as
far as a perverted protagonist goes.

Dave Baranyi

(I've already pre-ordered the first DVD for the second season of "Natsu no
Arashi".)


Giovanni Wassen

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Oct 28, 2009, 2:54:44 AM10/28/09
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Farix wrote:

> While there were a number of good anime series that has premiered this
> fall, whenever I determine which anime series to continue following
> after the first couple of episodes, I ask myself, "Will I buy this if/
> when it is licensed in the US?"
>
> The answer to ever single one of them was "No". So I've struck out
> completely for this season. This is the first time since I've started
> downloading fansubs that I've when a season without following one
> series. It will be kinda dull for the next few months.

I'd buy Nyan Koi! I guess. Maybe Kimi ni Todoke.

But I do think this isn't a very strong season. If I go back to the fall
season of last year I see a few series I'd certainly buy. Casshern Sins,
Kannagi (which is readily available), Toradora! and Michiko to Hatchin.

This year's spring season was my favorite with a few would-absolutely-buys:
Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya 2 (I
didn't dislike Endless Eight as much as some of you did), Pandora Hearts
and maybe: K-ON! and Saki.

--
Gio

http://www.watkijkikoptv.info
http://myanimelist.net/profile/extatix
http://watkijkikoptv.info/animeblog


Benjamin L. Russell

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Oct 28, 2009, 4:12:05 AM10/28/09
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Agreed! Actually, though, I'm rather happy about this result, since
this is the first season in a long time in which I can finally take
some time off from most of the anime and pursue some other endeavors,
such as writing. I no longer feel guilty about missing anything,
since there's finally nothing worth watching.

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sanjian

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Oct 28, 2009, 7:19:25 AM10/28/09
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"Dave Baranyi" <a_nospam.b_nospam@sym_nos_p_am_atico.ca> wrote in message
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> When your subject stated "This season is a Bust" I naturally assumed that
> you were referring to the girls in "Fairy Tale", "Sora no Otoshimono",
> "Nyan Koi", and so on and so on... <g>
>
> (Dave Watson will need a lot more space on his BUF website to include this
> season.)

Dude... even Winry is starting to bust out. Did you see her rocking that
tank top in Sunday's episode??? And with the zipper so invitingly placed...
Granted, she's no Yomiko Readman - yet.

sanjian

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Oct 28, 2009, 7:23:32 AM10/28/09
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"Farix" <dhstr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> While there were a number of good anime series that has premiered this
> fall, whenever I determine which anime series to continue following
> after the first couple of episodes, I ask myself, "Will I buy this if/
> when it is licensed in the US?"
>
> The answer to ever single one of them was "No". So I've struck out
> completely for this season. This is the first time since I've started
> downloading fansubs that I've when a season without following one
> series. It will be kinda dull for the next few months.
>
> However, let me go list some of the one I did like, though not enough
> to make the buy list:
>
> To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
> Nyan Koi!

Don't know. I'm rather enjoying Railgun, myself. I'd say it's as strong a
showing as a top-three series in any other season. And Nyan Koi is amusing.
But the old tropes are really starting to wear thin, from anime to anime.

> Most of the rest that I previewed was just meh. I was particularly
> disappointed in Kobato. since I've liked CLAMP's other works, but I
> just couldn't get into this series. It was simply meh! on top of meh!

Dude... it's Clamp. Somebody will die soon. Relax.

As far as the rest of the season, I think there's a lot to enjoy. I'd
hardly consider it a bust. Busty, yes, but not a bust.

Dave Watson

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Oct 28, 2009, 8:06:55 AM10/28/09
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I reckon that the producers of FMAB are taking notes from One Piece--show
the young female lead noticeably developing over time and watch the male
fans follow.

I need a lot more discipline to get back into updating Being Upfront. My
leeching habits can be best described as seafood diet (I see food, I eat
it), with the only notable exception being video games, since I don't play
them (but I'll have CG captures from some certain types, nudge, wink).
I've applied to do some writing about anime as a way of forcing myself away
from the extra shit by necessity. I have to add that I'll have to go over
the whole thing again because two big companies closed up shop since the
last posted update (Geneon USA, CPM). Thank Belldandy I saved my Xenu link
checker program, since it doesn't look like it's available for download
anymore. While I don't have any chemical addictions per se (apart from
wanting coffee if I have to wake up earlier than I really want to), this is
proving bad enough.

Watson/BU
Not dead yet, just smelling kind of funny.

Giovanni Wassen

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Oct 28, 2009, 8:32:04 AM10/28/09
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Dave Watson wrote:

> I need a lot more discipline to get back into updating Being Upfront.

You might wanna check out Tatakau Shisho � The Book of Bantorra:
<http://bit.ly/1vw22d>
Sora no Otoshimono <http://bit.ly/fQx9D>
Seitokai no Ichizon <http://bit.ly/1TyTpX>

And more :)

sanjian

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Oct 28, 2009, 9:38:47 AM10/28/09
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"Dave Watson" <dwbeing...@fuspamma.gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:19:25 -0400, sanjian wrote:


> I reckon that the producers of FMAB are taking notes from One Piece--show
> the young female lead noticeably developing over time and watch the male
> fans follow.

Y'all stay away! I saw her first, back when she was just a cute mechanic
girl!

> I need a lot more discipline to get back into updating Being Upfront. My
> leeching habits can be best described as seafood diet (I see food, I eat
> it), with the only notable exception being video games, since I don't play
> them (but I'll have CG captures from some certain types, nudge, wink).
> I've applied to do some writing about anime as a way of forcing myself
> away
> from the extra shit by necessity. I have to add that I'll have to go over
> the whole thing again because two big companies closed up shop since the
> last posted update (Geneon USA, CPM). Thank Belldandy I saved my Xenu
> link
> checker program, since it doesn't look like it's available for download

Xenu link checker? It throws all your links into a volcano?

That would explain the spate of Body 404ians.

Bobby Clark

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Oct 28, 2009, 12:16:25 PM10/28/09
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"sanjian" <mun...@vt.edu> wrote in message
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>
> "Farix" <dhstr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:add72894-3eb5-43ac...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>> While there were a number of good anime series that has premiered this
>> fall, whenever I determine which anime series to continue following
>> after the first couple of episodes, I ask myself, "Will I buy this if/
>> when it is licensed in the US?"
>>
>> The answer to ever single one of them was "No". So I've struck out
>> completely for this season. This is the first time since I've started
>> downloading fansubs that I've when a season without following one
>> series. It will be kinda dull for the next few months.
>>
>> However, let me go list some of the one I did like, though not enough
>> to make the buy list:
>>
>> To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
>> Nyan Koi!
>
> Don't know. I'm rather enjoying Railgun, myself. I'd say it's as strong
> a showing as a top-three series in any other season.

I love Railgun. I just got the 3 mangas from Japan on Monday. It was
waiting for me when I got to the office. I am watching it in HD on the WD
HD TV player. One of the best ways to go. The second and third episodes
are not what I expected after watching the first 2.

Bobby

Bobby Clark

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Oct 28, 2009, 12:13:18 PM10/28/09
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"Giovanni Wassen" <ext...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Farix wrote:
>
>> While there were a number of good anime series that has premiered this
>> fall, whenever I determine which anime series to continue following
>> after the first couple of episodes, I ask myself, "Will I buy this if/
>> when it is licensed in the US?"
>>
>> The answer to ever single one of them was "No". So I've struck out
>> completely for this season. This is the first time since I've started
>> downloading fansubs that I've when a season without following one
>> series. It will be kinda dull for the next few months.
>
> I'd buy Nyan Koi! I guess. Maybe Kimi ni Todoke.
>
> But I do think this isn't a very strong season. If I go back to the fall
> season of last year I see a few series I'd certainly buy. Casshern Sins,
> Kannagi (which is readily available),

The first DVD is great. I need to order the second one. It never did show
up at Best Buy. Only a Right Stuff release.

> Toradora! and Michiko to Hatchin.
>
> This year's spring season was my favorite with a few
> would-absolutely-buys:
> Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya 2 (I
> didn't dislike Endless Eight as much as some of you did)

That turned out to be great overall. I still don't think it will be an easy
sell, but over all a good show.

>, Pandora Hearts
> and maybe: K-ON!

One of my favorites. I love K-ON!. I have the 2 mangas. The Kinyokias in
LA just stocked up about 6 weeks ago.

Bobby

Giovanni Wassen

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Oct 28, 2009, 11:25:53 AM10/28/09
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Bobby Clark wrote:

> I love Railgun. I just got the 3 mangas from Japan on Monday. It was
> waiting for me when I got to the office. I am watching it in HD on
> the WD HD TV player.

Oh, good, how does the WD hold up? I'm looking to buy it later this year.

Massimo Sabbadini

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Oct 28, 2009, 2:27:27 PM10/28/09
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:17:15 -0700 (PDT), Farix
<dhstr...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>The answer to ever single one of them was "No". So I've struck out
>completely for this season. This is the first time since I've started
>downloading fansubs that I've when a season without following one
>series. It will be kinda dull for the next few months.

I agree, this season is underwhelming.
There isn't a single new anime that I immediately want to watch right
after downloading it.
The most entertaining series for me are Railgun, Darker than Black 2,
Kimi ni Todoke, Nyan Koi and Seitokai no Ichizon. But none of them I
would define a masterpiece.
Fall season? More like FAIL season! -_-


--
Massimo "Gohan" Sabbadini
Email: gohan(at)megane.it
"Tibi, magnum Innominandum, signa stellarum nigrarum
et bufaniformis Sadoquae sigilim" (De Vermis Mysteriis)

Bobby Clark

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Oct 28, 2009, 4:48:15 PM10/28/09
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"Giovanni Wassen" <ext...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bobby Clark wrote:
>
>> I love Railgun. I just got the 3 mangas from Japan on Monday. It was
>> waiting for me when I got to the office. I am watching it in HD on
>> the WD HD TV player.
>
> Oh, good, how does the WD hold up? I'm looking to buy it later this year.

I now have 4. All 4 are holding up wonderfuly. The power supply is the
same as that on the My Book exteranl drives. When I am in a hurry, I just
put the episodes on a flash drive and go. There are some sub files that it
can't play the audio for. There is a WD HD TV NET just out with a network
interface and faster CPU avalable. This one should be able to play the
audio that the regular non networked one will not. It is $20.00 more on
Amazon. I do not have one yet, but will get it by the new year. I suspect
it will be the replacement for the current one once stock runs out. I would
not get the WD TV mini as it is almost the same price with out the HD
capability. I have completly stopped burning DVDs to watch on the AVI DVD
players I have. It is not worth the effort now with the WD player. Best
part is the support for MKV files. There are also number of people hacking
the WD HD TV players. That is the primmary reson why I have 4.

Bobby

sanjian

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Oct 28, 2009, 4:29:00 PM10/28/09
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"Massimo Sabbadini" <go...@megane.it> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:17:15 -0700 (PDT), Farix
> <dhstr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The answer to ever single one of them was "No". So I've struck out
>>completely for this season. This is the first time since I've started
>>downloading fansubs that I've when a season without following one
>>series. It will be kinda dull for the next few months.
>
> I agree, this season is underwhelming.
> There isn't a single new anime that I immediately want to watch right
> after downloading it.
> The most entertaining series for me are Railgun, Darker than Black 2,
> Kimi ni Todoke, Nyan Koi and Seitokai no Ichizon. But none of them I
> would define a masterpiece.
> Fall season? More like FAIL season! -_-

Best Fail Season Ever.

Robert Sneddon

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Oct 28, 2009, 4:45:56 PM10/28/09
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In message <JNidnY4cjb0NNHXX...@posted.internetamerica>,
sanjian <mun...@vt.edu> writes

>
>"Massimo Sabbadini" <go...@megane.it> wrote in message news:pu2he5ltjbm
>nduobm6hupf...@4ax.com...

>> I agree, this season is underwhelming.
>> There isn't a single new anime that I immediately want to watch right
>> after downloading it.

>> Fall season? More like FAIL season! -_-
>
>Best Fail Season Ever.

Weird... The summer season preceding this one was wall-to-wall turkey
by comparison with several of the new series that started recently. I'm
watching (regularly) ...Railgun, Kimi no Todoke and Sasameki Koto and
looking forward to each new episode as it is released. There's also the
Natsu no Arashii sequel which is tolerable if not as smartly written as
the first series. If that isn't enough there have also been two special
episodes of Hidamari Sketch x365 and any season with Yunocchi and co. in
it is a GOOD season as far as I'm concerned. The only thing that would
make it even better would be a new series of Aria (nah gah nah happen,
is it?).

Is it that there is a severe lack of Heavy Metal this season? Nothing
like Gurren Lagann or Code Geass etc.? I admit mecha shows are not to my
taste but I know that it defines anime for some folks. Never mind, there
will be another Gundam toy advert^W^W anime series along soon.
--
To reply, my gmail address is nojay1 Robert Sneddon

sanjian

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Oct 28, 2009, 5:35:32 PM10/28/09
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"Robert Sneddon" <fr...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <JNidnY4cjb0NNHXX...@posted.internetamerica>,
> sanjian <mun...@vt.edu> writes
>>
>>"Massimo Sabbadini" <go...@megane.it> wrote in message news:pu2he5ltjbm
>>nduobm6hupf...@4ax.com...
>
>>> I agree, this season is underwhelming.
>>> There isn't a single new anime that I immediately want to watch right
>>> after downloading it.
>
>>> Fall season? More like FAIL season! -_-
>>
>>Best Fail Season Ever.
>
> Weird... The summer season preceding this one was wall-to-wall turkey
> by comparison with several of the new series that started recently. I'm
> watching (regularly) ...Railgun, Kimi no Todoke and Sasameki Koto and
> looking forward to each new episode as it is released. There's also the
> Natsu no Arashii sequel which is tolerable if not as smartly written as
> the first series. If that isn't enough there have also been two special
> episodes of Hidamari Sketch x365 and any season with Yunocchi and co. in

I think the fandom is just going through a colicky period. Either that, or
grumpyfan has become fashionable again.

> it is a GOOD season as far as I'm concerned. The only thing that would
> make it even better would be a new series of Aria (nah gah nah happen,
> is it?).

Amen to that. Oh, and stay away from Athena. She's mine.

Giovanni Wassen

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Oct 29, 2009, 3:40:11 AM10/29/09
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Robert Sneddon wrote:

>>Best Fail Season Ever.
>
> Weird... The summer season preceding this one was wall-to-wall turkey
> by comparison with several of the new series that started recently.

I picked up Tokyo Magnitude 8.0, Aoi Hana, Taishou Yakyuu Musume, Canaan
and Bakemonogatari (which I still have to watch beyond the second episode)
but overall there wasn't much to like that season.

Massimo Sabbadini

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On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 07:40:11 +0000 (UTC), Giovanni Wassen
<ext...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Robert Sneddon wrote:
>
>>>Best Fail Season Ever.
>>
>> Weird... The summer season preceding this one was wall-to-wall turkey
>> by comparison with several of the new series that started recently.
>
>I picked up Tokyo Magnitude 8.0, Aoi Hana, Taishou Yakyuu Musume, Canaan
>and Bakemonogatari (which I still have to watch beyond the second episode)
>but overall there wasn't much to like that season.

Well, Summer has fewer series airing. It is usually the weakest anime
season but I think that Summer '09 was exceptionally good.
Among the five titles you mentioned, there are four that rank from
Very Good to Excellent in my book (I didn't watch TYM). Also add Spice
and Wolf II to that list.
This Fall? I see a whole lot of averageness but nothing that stands
out.

Terrence Briggs

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Nov 7, 2009, 10:57:00 AM11/7/09
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On Oct 27, 9:42 pm, "Dave Baranyi"
<a_nospam.b_nospam@sym_nos_p_am_atico.ca> wrote:
> "Farix" <dhstran...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:add72894-3eb5-43ac...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...

> > While there were a number of good anime series that has premiered this
> > fall, whenever I determine which anime series to continue following
> > after the first couple of episodes, I ask myself, "Will I buy this if/
> > when it is licensed in the US?"
>
> > The answer to ever single one of them was "No". So I've struck out
> > completely for this season. This is the first time since I've started
> > downloading fansubs that I've when a season without following one
> > series. It will be kinda dull for the next few months.

So fall on Japanese TV is a lot like fall on U.S. TV... 4Kids has
resorted to TMNT (post-2003) reruns, Yugi-oh reruns, and crappier
episodes of Dinosaur King and Chaotic:MI. I actually miss Digata
Defenders now. That's sad.

BUT HEY! There's always YouTube.

> > However, let me go list some of the one I did like, though not enough
> > to make the buy list:
>
> > To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
> > Nyan Koi!
>
> > Most of the rest that I previewed was just meh. I was particularly
> > disappointed in Kobato. since I've liked CLAMP's other works, but I
> > just couldn't get into this series. It was simply meh! on top of meh!
>
> When your subject stated "This season is a Bust" I naturally assumed that
> you were referring to the girls in "Fairy Tale", "Sora no Otoshimono", "Nyan
> Koi", and so on and so on... <g>
>
> (Dave Watson will need a lot more space on his BUF website to include this
> season.)

Boy, that was a set-up.

> BTW - With episode 4 of Sora no Otoshimono I am starting to think that we
> may well have found the "Urusei Yatsura" of the 21st Century, at least as
> far as a perverted protagonist goes.
>
> Dave Baranyi
>
> (I've already pre-ordered the first DVD for the second season of "Natsu no
> Arashi".)

Have you posted a official gradebook of series yet?

Terrence Briggs, read that Spider Riders reruns daily on the digital
SD channels. Slip Teknoman and Robotech onto those channels and we'll
talk.
Peace to you...

Warewolf

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Nov 7, 2009, 1:27:42 PM11/7/09
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Terrence Briggs <mrman1...@lycos.com> wrote in
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> So fall on Japanese TV is a lot like fall on U.S. TV... 4Kids has
> resorted to TMNT (post-2003) reruns, Yugi-oh reruns, and crappier
> episodes of Dinosaur King and Chaotic:MI. I actually miss Digata
> Defenders now. That's sad.

If the networks were smart, they'd be broadcasting some of the 'grittier'
series (ie Daria, Downtown, Courage, Batman:TAS; Duckman, Spicy City) in
the appropriate time slots.

Then again, 'The Batman' is still in the belfry. 9_9

> BUT HEY! There's always YouTube.

Believe it or not, I was able to discover some new favorites (and a *lot*
of hidden treasures) on that site due to some generous posters.

The fact that it bypasses 'political boundaries' should give the studios
cause to rethink their marketing strategy.

(*SEASONS*, people, not sample sets!)
(and belay those region locks and music replacements, ya bilge rats!)
(Arrrrr...)

> Terrence Briggs, read that Spider Riders reruns daily on the digital
> SD channels. Slip Teknoman and Robotech onto those channels and we'll
> talk.
> Peace to you...

I wonder what a certain 'Creepie Creecher' would say about those invading
insectoids...or a vacation in Santo Bugito. ~_^

Dave Baranyi

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Nov 7, 2009, 5:39:19 PM11/7/09
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Terrence Briggs <mrman1...@lycos.com> wrote:

> On Oct 27, 9:42�pm, "Dave Baranyi"
> <a_nospam.b_nospam@sym_nos_p_am_atico.ca> wrote:
>> "Farix" <dhstran...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:add72894-3eb5-43ac...@g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
>
>> > While there were a number of good anime series that has premiered this
>> > fall, whenever I determine which anime series to continue following
>> > after the first couple of episodes, I ask myself, "Will I buy this if/
>> > when it is licensed in the US?"
>>
>> > The answer to ever single one of them was "No". So I've struck out
>> > completely for this season. This is the first time since I've started
>> > downloading fansubs that I've when a season without following one
>> > series. It will be kinda dull for the next few months.
>
> So fall on Japanese TV is a lot like fall on U.S. TV... 4Kids has
> resorted to TMNT (post-2003) reruns, Yugi-oh reruns, and crappier
> episodes of Dinosaur King and Chaotic:MI. I actually miss Digata
> Defenders now. That's sad.
>
> BUT HEY! There's always YouTube.
>
>> > However, let me go list some of the one I did like, though not enough
>> > to make the buy list:
>>
>> > To Aru Kagaku no Railgun
>> > Nyan Koi!
>>
>> > Most of the rest that I previewed was just meh. I was particularly
>> > disappointed in Kobato. since I've liked CLAMP's other works, but I
>> > just couldn't get into this series. It was simply meh! on top of meh!
>>
>> When your subject stated "This season is a Bust" I naturally assumed that
>> you were referring to the girls in "Fairy Tale", "Sora no Otoshimono", "N
yan
>> Koi", and so on and so on... <g>
>>
>> (Dave Watson will need a lot more space on his BUF website to include thi
s
>> season.)
>
> Boy, that was a set-up.
>
>> BTW - With episode 4 of Sora no Otoshimono I am starting to think that we
>> may well have found the "Urusei Yatsura" of the 21st Century, at least as
>> far as a perverted protagonist goes.
>>
>> Dave Baranyi
>>
>> (I've already pre-ordered the first DVD for the second season of "Natsu n
o
>> Arashi".)
>
> Have you posted a official gradebook of series yet?
>

Yes, on the 30th of Oct, called "The Fall 09 Anime Season - My Ratings after
1 Month"

Dave Baranyi

(Testing out a Mac newsgroup reader called Xnntp

Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers

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Dave Baranyi <david_...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> (Testing out a Mac newsgroup reader called Xnntp

Drops the References header and produces comb-quotes. *yucc*

cu
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Dave Baranyi

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Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers <usene...@planetcobalt.net> wrote:

> Dave Baranyi <david_...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> (Testing out a Mac newsgroup reader called Xnntp
>
> Drops the References header and produces comb-quotes. *yucc*
>

Huh???

What I posted doesn't seem to be a lot different from when I post from
Outlook Express. And when I view it on OE it looks the same too.

What is the "reference header" that was dropped? And what are "comb
quotes"

Can you suggest a better no-cost Mac newsreader?

Thanks -

Dave Baranyi


> cu
> 59cobalt
>

B Sellers

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Nov 7, 2009, 10:11:58 PM11/7/09
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Dave have you tried Thunderbird yet?
It is not YAM (Yet Another Amiga Mailer) which is my standard of reference
but it ain't bad.

And the price is right.

later
bliss

Dave Baranyi

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No, I haven't heard of it. I'll look it up. (I don't like the minimal features
of this thing.)

Thanks -

Dave Baranyi

Invid Fan

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In article
<9C762141-FDF8-4AFC-9F58-0E0459B38A06%david_...@yahoo.ca>, Dave
Baranyi <david_...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers <usene...@planetcobalt.net> wrote:
>
> > Dave Baranyi <david_...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> (Testing out a Mac newsgroup reader called Xnntp
> >
> > Drops the References header and produces comb-quotes. *yucc*
> >
>
> Huh???
>
> What I posted doesn't seem to be a lot different from when I post from
> Outlook Express. And when I view it on OE it looks the same too.
>
> What is the "reference header" that was dropped? And what are "comb
> quotes"
>

Unfortunately, a quick look my copy of Xnntp (which I downloaded the
other day to look at) shows it's lacking the feature which would make
it easy to point it out :) Using Thoth, I can "show details" on a post
which gives you lots of information on who posted a message and how.
For example, your test message had this:

Path:
border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.
de!t-online.de!news.karotte.org!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.ne
t!not-for-mail
From: Dave Baranyi <david_...@yahoo.ca>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime.misc
Subject: Re: This season is a bust
Date: 7 Nov 2009 22:39:19 GMT
Lines: 73
Message-ID:
<B405FE78-452A-435D-ABF6-45D2D4D9DD5D%david_...@yahoo.ca>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-Trace: individual.net
afVcOMYUlek4Fn7Vp7x8QgE9xBP812WfMbUbBH2y2PO8lrBjB/
Cancel-Lock: sha1:M90EbVstOsTjSWE3dIOKrogqBps=
User-Agent: Xnntp/beta07 (UNIBIN Mac OS 10.4.11+)
Bytes: 3293
Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.arts.anime.misc:845788

What's missing is suppose to come right after the Message-ID, the
References header which helps place it within the thread and newsgroup.
Without it, I can't use the "get last Reference" command to find the
message you were replying to.

However, your current post DOES have a References header:

Path:
border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.
de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!ind
ividual.net!not-for-mail
From: Dave Baranyi <david_...@yahoo.ca>
Newsgroups: rec.arts.anime.misc
Subject: Re: This season is a bust
Date: 8 Nov 2009 02:39:38 GMT
Lines: 27
Message-ID:
<9C762141-FDF8-4AFC-9F58-0E0459B38A06%david_...@yahoo.ca>
References:
<B405FE78-452A-435D-ABF6-45D2D4D9DD5D%david_...@yahoo.ca>
<7lmgqhF...@mid.individual.net>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
X-Trace: individual.net
b/tihVtNPgFTdIh2xZdIjAThQJ0gfFfCOF7t8tpjWeZpn8c4dw
Cancel-Lock: sha1:DjiN8Cp4DXhMlaOL9K9o9x3vSxs=
User-Agent: Xnntp/beta07 (UNIBIN Mac OS 10.4.11+)
Bytes: 1384
Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com rec.arts.anime.misc:845794

No, I have no idea what you might have done to add it. Maybe its a bug
in Xnntp when it first signs on to a server but it will now be fine.
We'll have to see. (the app does seem limited, not doing Binaries for
example although that's not an issue for many ^_^)

> Can you suggest a better no-cost Mac newsreader?
>

MT-Newswatcher would be my choice, although it is old school and may
not be to your taste. Maybe Thunderbird, although I haven't tried it.
Personally I don't like the all in one window newsreaders: give me one
window for groups, one for each opened newsgroup, and one for each post
I open so I can put there where I want them on screen :)

--
Chris Mack *quote under construction*
'Invid Fan'

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sanjian

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> B Sellers <bl...@sfo.com> wrote:

> No, I haven't heard of it. I'll look it up. (I don't like the minimal
> features
> of this thing.)

After two weeks of Win7, minimal features are the least of my worries. I'm
more interested in "does it do what I tell it to, when I tell it to?"
"Spartan" would be a blessing after Win7's "rebellious teenager" act.

Rob Kelk

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Nov 8, 2009, 7:23:18 AM11/8/09
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On 8 Nov 2009 03:22:21 GMT, Dave Baranyi <david_...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>B Sellers <bl...@sfo.com> wrote:

<snip>

>> Dave have you tried Thunderbird yet?
>> It is not YAM (Yet Another Amiga Mailer) which is my standard of reference
>> but it ain't bad.
>>
>> And the price is right.
>>
>> later
>> bliss
>>
>
>No, I haven't heard of it. I'll look it up. (I don't like the minimal features
>of this thing.)

It was one of the ones in my earlier list.

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"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear
of childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis

Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers

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Nov 8, 2009, 2:45:09 PM11/8/09
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Dave Baranyi <david_...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers <usene...@planetcobalt.net> wrote:
>> Dave Baranyi <david_...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> (Testing out a Mac newsgroup reader called Xnntp
>>
>> Drops the References header and produces comb-quotes. *yucc*
>
> Huh???
>
> What I posted doesn't seem to be a lot different from when I post from
> Outlook Express. And when I view it on OE it looks the same too.
>
> What is the "reference header" that was dropped?

Each Usenet posting has a (more or less) unique Message-ID (MID). When
you reply to a message, your newsreader is supposed to take References
and MID from the message you replied to, append the latter to the
former, and put it in the References header of your response.
Newsreaders can then use the information from that header to construct
the threaded message overview.

However, as Invid Fan already noted, the References header was present
in this posting, so I'm not sure what went wrong with your first one.

> And what are "comb quotes"

You get comb quotes when a newsreader breaks trailing word(s) of long
lines into new lines:

> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Suspendisse
suscipit,
> nibh id semper imperdiet, leo ante eleifend quam, eget posuere lorem
felis
> non massa. Praesent vitae mauris magna, nec pretium erat. Morbi
vitae
> vulputate felis. Nam quis nisl risus, sit amet viverra orci.

instead of either leaving the quote alone, or doing proper paragraph
formatting:

> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Suspendisse
> suscipit, nibh id semper imperdiet, leo ante eleifend quam, eget
> posuere lorem felis non massa. Praesent vitae mauris magna, nec
> pretium erat. Morbi vitae vulputate felis. Nam quis nisl risus, sit
> amet viverra orci.

> Can you suggest a better no-cost Mac newsreader?

Since you're coming from Windows and seem to be accustomed to OE, I'd
second Bobbie Sellers' recommendation of Thunderbird.

Dave Baranyi

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rob...@deadspam.com (Rob Kelk) wrote:

> On 8 Nov 2009 03:22:21 GMT, Dave Baranyi <david_...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>>B Sellers <bl...@sfo.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> Dave have you tried Thunderbird yet?
>>> It is not YAM (Yet Another Amiga Mailer) which is my standard of reference
>>> but it ain't bad.
>>>
>>> And the price is right.
>>>
>>> later
>>> bliss
>>>
>>
>>No, I haven't heard of it. I'll look it up. (I don't like the minimal features
>>of this thing.)
>
> It was one of the ones in my earlier list.
>
>

It was one of the email/newsreader combos, so I didn't pay attention to it in
your list, and thus it didn't ring a bell when bliss mentioned it. Once I went
to the website and saw that it was a combo I decided not to try it because I am
happy enough with the Mail that came with this Mac.

Thanks again -

Dave Baranyi

Dave Baranyi

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Nov 8, 2009, 3:27:01 PM11/8/09
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Being accustomed to OE, and wanting something similar to OE are too
different things... <g>

I'm enjoying all of the non-Windows things about my Mac so far, so I want
to try to find more.

Thanks -

Dave Baranyi

B Sellers

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Nov 8, 2009, 3:31:30 PM11/8/09
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You can still use the Mail and Thunderbird can do your Usenet with no
need for doing the mail, afaik.

bliss

Inu-Yasha

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Nov 8, 2009, 3:51:26 PM11/8/09
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That's true, I'm using Thunderbird on a PC because Vista deleted my OE
when I upgraded XP to be able to then upgrade to win7. Since I tend to
use a program like Thunderbird just as it comes, (I seem to be too
simple minded to turn on or off options, I have found that Thunderbird
does not maintain the integrity of threads as OE did. The replies are
quoted, and a colorful line on each side of the message window
delineates the individual messages, but in the upper window that
displays the messages that have been received, it seems to be sorted by
receipt time, and I can't seem to find how to change it.

Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^

Inu-Yasha

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Nov 8, 2009, 3:56:22 PM11/8/09
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Well right after sending this, I tried the sort command, and found my
selection was unthreaded instead of threaded, I changed that, and whoa,
the messages are sorted by thread. I'm so happy I could cry, sob, sob.
I certainly made a fool out of myself.

Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^


Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers

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Dave Baranyi <david_...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Ansgar -59cobalt- Wiechers <usene...@planetcobalt.net> wrote:
>> Dave Baranyi <david_...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> Can you suggest a better no-cost Mac newsreader?
>>
>> Since you're coming from Windows and seem to be accustomed to OE, I'd
>> second Bobbie Sellers' recommendation of Thunderbird.
>
> Being accustomed to OE, and wanting something similar to OE are too
> different things... <g>
>
> I'm enjoying all of the non-Windows things about my Mac so far, so I
> want to try to find more.

Then perhaps you should give MT Newswatcher a try. Its interface is more
Mac-like than Thunderbird's, although I find Thunderbird's configuration
more straightforward in some respects.

B Sellers

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Nov 8, 2009, 4:48:20 PM11/8/09
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Well old dog I am using Linux but I just click on the Subject Header or the
Date Header or the Sender Header at the top of the window full of messages
below the tool bars. This lets me sort several ways to find OPs and the
like.

later
bliss

Giovanni Wassen

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Bobby Clark wrote:

> I now have 4. All 4 are holding up wonderfuly. The power supply is
> the same as that on the My Book exteranl drives. When I am in a
> hurry, I just put the episodes on a flash drive and go. There are
> some sub files that it can't play the audio for. There is a WD HD TV
> NET just out with a network interface and faster CPU avalable. This
> one should be able to play the audio that the regular non networked
> one will not. It is $20.00 more on Amazon. I do not have one yet,
> but will get it by the new year. I suspect it will be the replacement
> for the current one once stock runs out. I would not get the WD TV
> mini as it is almost the same price with out the HD capability. I
> have completly stopped burning DVDs to watch on the AVI DVD players I
> have. It is not worth the effort now with the WD player. Best part is
> the support for MKV files. There are also number of people hacking the
> WD HD TV players. That is the primmary reson why I have 4.

Hi Bobby, does the WD tv player support softsubs on mkv files? I'm not sure
if they are .srt files or not.

--
Gio

http://www.watkijkikoptv.info
http://watkijkikoptv.info/animeblog


Bobby Clark

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"Giovanni Wassen" <ext...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi Gio, Yes when the sub is in an MKV contianer, I can turn the subs on and
off if the file was setup that way. Some of the fan subs still embed the
subtitile into the video even when using MKV containers. Those cannot be
turned off. I have not tried to use a separate subtitle file yet with it so
I can't aswer if it can run that way. One neet thing on the subs is the
ability of the unit to change the font thickness used as well as the line
around the font. Some times that helps as the fonts are very small. I wish
the size was selectable as well. A VLC type of font would be better yet.

Bobby

Giovanni Wassen

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Bobby Clark wrote:

> Hi Gio, Yes when the sub is in an MKV contianer, I can turn the subs
> on and off if the file was setup that way. Some of the fan subs still
> embed the subtitile into the video even when using MKV containers.
> Those cannot be turned off. I have not tried to use a separate
> subtitle file yet with it so I can't aswer if it can run that way.
> One neet thing on the subs is the ability of the unit to change the
> font thickness used as well as the line around the font. Some times
> that helps as the fonts are very small. I wish the size was
> selectable as well. A VLC type of font would be better yet.

Thanks for the heads-up. I ordered one tonight, hopefully it'll arrive this
weekend so I can test it ;)

Bobby Clark

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"Giovanni Wassen" <ext...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Did you get the original or the networked version?

Bobby

Giovanni Wassen

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Bobby Clark wrote:

>>> Hi Gio, Yes when the sub is in an MKV contianer, I can turn the subs
>>> on and off if the file was setup that way. Some of the fan subs still
>>> embed the subtitile into the video even when using MKV containers.
>>> Those cannot be turned off. I have not tried to use a separate
>>> subtitle file yet with it so I can't aswer if it can run that way.
>>> One neet thing on the subs is the ability of the unit to change the
>>> font thickness used as well as the line around the font. Some times
>>> that helps as the fonts are very small. I wish the size was
>>> selectable as well. A VLC type of font would be better yet.
>>
>> Thanks for the heads-up. I ordered one tonight, hopefully it'll arrive
>> this
>> weekend so I can test it ;)
>
> Did you get the original or the networked version?

The original, I compared the two and the things I want it to do is present
on the non-networked version. Since my router is also not quite present
where my tv is a network connection wouldn't really be practical too. Now
I'm only contemplating buying a WD external disk, but I think a 8 GB usb-
stick will do just fine at first.

Bobby Clark

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"Giovanni Wassen" <ext...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9CC9365D2...@85.214.113.135...

> Bobby Clark wrote:
>
>>>> Hi Gio, Yes when the sub is in an MKV contianer, I can turn the subs
>>>> on and off if the file was setup that way. Some of the fan subs still
>>>> embed the subtitile into the video even when using MKV containers.
>>>> Those cannot be turned off. I have not tried to use a separate
>>>> subtitle file yet with it so I can't aswer if it can run that way.
>>>> One neet thing on the subs is the ability of the unit to change the
>>>> font thickness used as well as the line around the font. Some times
>>>> that helps as the fonts are very small. I wish the size was
>>>> selectable as well. A VLC type of font would be better yet.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the heads-up. I ordered one tonight, hopefully it'll arrive
>>> this
>>> weekend so I can test it ;)
>>
>> Did you get the original or the networked version?
>
> The original, I compared the two and the things I want it to do is present
> on the non-networked version. Since my router is also not quite present
> where my tv is a network connection wouldn't really be practical too.

Just keep in mind that some audio codecs are not supported. WD did not buy
one of the licences on the non net version. Every once in a while I run
accross a series in HD that I have to use the XVID or AVI to watch it. Also
some times the video will hang. I think the person who encodes for a few
groups is messing it up. VLC will keep on going when it hits the glitch,
but the WD is not as forgiving. One of the new Railguns is doing that on ep
1. I just fast forward when I get to the glitch spot. In some cases, I
just get another groups verison.

> Now
> I'm only contemplating buying a WD external disk, but I think a 8 GB usb-
> stick will do just fine at first.

Yes, I use 2,4 and 8 GB USB flash drives all the time. Especialy when just
want to get going with a few fresh episodes or a single series. Oh, as an
added bonus the unit will play downloaded youtube videos. Some of the high
quality ones look real good when played from it.

Bobby

Giovanni Wassen

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Bobby Clark wrote:

>> Now
>> I'm only contemplating buying a WD external disk, but I think a 8 GB
>> usb- stick will do just fine at first.
>
> Yes, I use 2,4 and 8 GB USB flash drives all the time. Especialy when
> just want to get going with a few fresh episodes or a single series.
> Oh, as an added bonus the unit will play downloaded youtube videos.
> Some of the high quality ones look real good when played from it.

My tv isn't full hd, so it might not be that good. I'm going to test the WD
thing with a couple of files to see what it does.

Bakemonogatari - Vol 1 (Fansubbed) - BLINX01.iso
[Yuki]_The_Melancholy_of_Haruhi_Suzumiya_-_01_(1280x720.h264)_
[4F7894C1].mkv

I'm curious how it will play these.

Giovanni Wassen

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Nov 21, 2009, 5:23:26 AM11/21/09
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Bobby Clark wrote:

> Yes, I use 2,4 and 8 GB USB flash drives all the time. Especialy when
> just want to get going with a few fresh episodes or a single series.
> Oh, as an added bonus the unit will play downloaded youtube videos.
> Some of the high quality ones look real good when played from it.

I've tested the thing with a couple of files now and I'm very content so
far. It was worth the money it seems ;)
Thanks for the info Bobby.

Bobby Clark

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"Giovanni Wassen" <ext...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bobby Clark wrote:
>
>> Yes, I use 2,4 and 8 GB USB flash drives all the time. Especialy when
>> just want to get going with a few fresh episodes or a single series.
>> Oh, as an added bonus the unit will play downloaded youtube videos.
>> Some of the high quality ones look real good when played from it.
>
> I've tested the thing with a couple of files now and I'm very content so
> far. It was worth the money it seems ;)
> Thanks for the info Bobby.

Wonderfull. WD provides firmware updates. A new version just came out 1.03
on 11-9-2009. Did you unit have 1.02.07 or 1.03 on it?

Bobby

Giovanni Wassen

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Nov 21, 2009, 9:00:31 AM11/21/09
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Bobby Clark wrote:

>
> "Giovanni Wassen" <ext...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9CCA73FF02...@188.40.43.245...
>> Bobby Clark wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I use 2,4 and 8 GB USB flash drives all the time. Especialy
>>> when just want to get going with a few fresh episodes or a single
>>> series. Oh, as an added bonus the unit will play downloaded youtube
>>> videos. Some of the high quality ones look real good when played
>>> from it.
>>
>> I've tested the thing with a couple of files now and I'm very content
>> so far. It was worth the money it seems ;)
>> Thanks for the info Bobby.
>
> Wonderfull. WD provides firmware updates. A new version just came out
> 1.03 on 11-9-2009. Did you unit have 1.02.07 or 1.03 on it?

1.02.07, but the very first thing I did was upgrading the firmware :)

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