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Aje RavenStar

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Sep 5, 2008, 7:37:04 AM9/5/08
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Would surprise me if no one here didn't have this kind of suspicion about
it.

http://www.applegeeks.com/lite/index.php?aglitecomic=2008-09-05


Derek Janssen

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Aje RavenStar wrote:

Oh, you haven't seen the trailer shots, then (as rumored to be rolling
trailers out next October)?:
http://dragonball-trailer.blogspot.com/ [it's a fanblog waiting for one,
not *the* trailer]

And yes, those of us who've seen the shots, we know, already: "Piccolo
isn't green", and yes, "He looks like a Buffy vampire". We know. We
know, we know, we KNOW!
Still, it's nice revenge for all those "Smallville with antenna"
Photoshop fan-fakies we got all over YouTube for an entire year.

What's worse is, it might not be that far from the early-draft "leaked
script" on the site after all...

Derek Janssen
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Aje RavenStar

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"Derek Janssen" <eja...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
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Haven't seen 'em, haven't been looking. I liked the first Dragonball
series, tried to get into Z but couldn't, moved on to other things.


Derek Janssen

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Sep 5, 2008, 4:31:44 PM9/5/08
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Aje RavenStar wrote:

> "Derek Janssen" <eja...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:wXfwk.583$sq3.493@trnddc07...
>
>>Aje RavenStar wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Would surprise me if no one here didn't have this kind of suspicion about
>>>it.
>>>
>>>http://www.applegeeks.com/lite/index.php?aglitecomic=2008-09-05
>>
>>Oh, you haven't seen the trailer shots, then (as rumored to be rolling
>>trailers out next October)?:
>>http://dragonball-trailer.blogspot.com/ [it's a fanblog waiting for one,
>>not *the* trailer]
>>

>>What's worse is, it might not be that far from the early-draft "leaked
>>script" on the site after all...
>

> Haven't seen 'em, haven't been looking. I liked the first Dragonball
> series, tried to get into Z but couldn't, moved on to other things.

Well, like most movie cheats back in the pre-Internet days, you could
always read the paperback movie novel ahead of time:
http://www.amazon.com/Dragonball-Movie-Junior-Novel/dp/1421526646

("Goku thought he was just a normal high-school student..."
Yep. I was right. -_- )

Derek Janssen
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Dave Baranyi

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Sep 5, 2008, 5:48:07 PM9/5/08
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"Derek Janssen" <eja...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
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(Picks jaw up from floor.)

Derek, why couldn't you just be kidding this time?

And people have been "hoping" for a live action EVA movie?

Dave Baranyi

> Derek Janssen
> eja...@verizon.net


S.t.A.n.L.e.E

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Sep 5, 2008, 11:48:41 PM9/5/08
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Fri, 5 Sep 2008 3:00pm-0500, Aje RavenStar <whine...@comcast.net>:

>
> "Derek Janssen" <eja...@nospam.verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:wXfwk.583$sq3.493@trnddc07...
> > Aje RavenStar wrote:
> >
> >> Would surprise me if no one here didn't have this kind of suspicion about
> >> it.
> >>
> >> http://www.applegeeks.com/lite/index.php?aglitecomic=2008-09-05
> >
> > Oh, you haven't seen the trailer shots, then (as rumored to be rolling
> > trailers out next October)?:
> > http://dragonball-trailer.blogspot.com/ [it's a fanblog waiting for one,
> > not *the* trailer]
> >
> > And yes, those of us who've seen the shots, we know, already: "Piccolo
> > isn't green", and yes, "He looks like a Buffy vampire". We know. We
> > know, we know, we KNOW!
>

Some people suggested that may be the old Daimao Piccolo
to differentiate from the young green Piccolo.

>
> > Still, it's nice revenge for all those "Smallville with antenna" Photoshop
> > fan-fakies we got all over YouTube for an entire year.
> >
> > What's worse is, it might not be that far from the early-draft "leaked
> > script" on the site after all...
> >
>

> Haven't seen 'em, haven't been looking. I liked the first Dragonball
> series, tried to get into Z but couldn't, moved on to other things.
>

Well, the (maybe first) live-action Dragonball is based on Dragonball.

Laters. =)

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Aje RavenStar

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"S.t.A.n.L.e.E" <LostRu...@UofR.SlamSpam.net> wrote in message
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Well, when I caught Dragonball, I hadn't yet had the pleasure of meeting
Kazami Mizuho, the Betterman and VanDread universe, Tenchi and Co and his
alternative universe Dual version, and probably most importantly, Morisato
Keiichi and household, OAV versions. As I said, I moved on.


Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

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Sep 6, 2008, 11:15:36 AM9/6/08
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Aje RavenStar wrote:

> Well, when I caught Dragonball, I hadn't yet had the pleasure of meeting
> Kazami Mizuho, the Betterman and VanDread universe, Tenchi and Co and his
> alternative universe Dual version, and probably most importantly, Morisato
> Keiichi and household, OAV versions. As I said, I moved on.
>
>

I met Goku, Tenchi, and Keiichi at roughly the same time. Tenchi had
potential but was flawed. A!MS! is still one of my favorites. So is
Dragonball/DBZ.

I don't see the point of "moving on", so to speak.

The stills that are supposedly from the actual DB movie are... well,
tragic, in a way. I can see that a lot of the LOOK is there. The
whispers of plot tell me that much of the SOUL is gone. Yes, that isn't
exactly Piccolo there, but the sad thing is that it's close enough that
you can see they COULD have done him just right. And Marsters could pull
it off. The kid they've chosen for Goku, to my surprise, looks like he
could do that, too. The other cast choices are good-to-brilliant as far
as I can tell.

And yet what I've heard of the actual MOVIE sounds like they've gutted
the POINT of Dragonball, which is the wierd, wierd world and the Monkey
King-in-a-blender plotline.


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Aje RavenStar

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Sep 6, 2008, 11:29:13 AM9/6/08
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"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
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> Aje RavenStar wrote:
>
>> Well, when I caught Dragonball, I hadn't yet had the pleasure of meeting
>> Kazami Mizuho, the Betterman and VanDread universe, Tenchi and Co and his
>> alternative universe Dual version, and probably most importantly,
>> Morisato Keiichi and household, OAV versions. As I said, I moved on.
>
> I met Goku, Tenchi, and Keiichi at roughly the same time. Tenchi had
> potential but was flawed. A!MS! is still one of my favorites. So is
> Dragonball/DBZ.
>
> I don't see the point of "moving on", so to speak.
>

So much anime, so little time. Pending stack. Even longer must see list,
which grows with every new release season. Plus that annoying thing called
real life that has to be dealt with.


Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

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Sep 6, 2008, 11:56:15 AM9/6/08
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I actually don't HAVE a must-see list at the moment. On average there's
one must-see anime every 5-10 years, and probably 1 a year that's
decent-to-good.

And I have a pretty busy real life.

Derek Janssen

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Sep 6, 2008, 2:39:42 PM9/6/08
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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>
> The stills that are supposedly from the actual DB movie are... well,
> tragic, in a way. I can see that a lot of the LOOK is there. The
> whispers of plot tell me that much of the SOUL is gone. Yes, that isn't
> exactly Piccolo there, but the sad thing is that it's close enough that
> you can see they COULD have done him just right. And Marsters could pull
> it off. The kid they've chosen for Goku, to my surprise, looks like he
> could do that, too. The other cast choices are good-to-brilliant as far
> as I can tell.

Also, Emmy Rossum seems enthusiastic in interviews about playing Bulma,
and Jamie Chung claims to have grown up watching the show enough to know
her way around Chichi.

(And it's always a helpful anchor to have at least *one* cast member of
a live-action cartoon who's familiar with the source material enough to
know what character they're playing. Take it from an old battle-scarred
Flintstones fan.) -_-

> And yet what I've heard of the actual MOVIE sounds like they've
> gutted the POINT of Dragonball, which is the wierd, wierd world and the
> Monkey King-in-a-blender plotline.

It's the ten years of development heck what did it, causing studios
(particularly when some rights-ownership deadline approaches to produce
the script or lose it) to say, "Look, WHAT'S the big problem,
anyway?--There must be *some* hook to it, and you play to that; now get
going, ya knuckleheads!":

In this case, someone said "Teen with powers", and claimed he heard the
Z Goku was "inspired by Superman", and that sent them down the
Smallville path, arm in arm with James Marsters.
The director wanted to do Smallville, the early-draft writer wanted to
bring in every DBZ character (in a "plausibly" rewritten way)...And
while the final version may be battling it out for internal dominance,
at least it doesn't seem to be *sneering* at the material, like, say,
Scooby-Doo or Rocky & Bullwinkle.
Also, the fact that we're getting the more source-faithful Tournament
version of the Piccolo arc--whereas we didn't in the earlier
drafts--means that somebody didn't want to embarrass themselves, and
bent over backwards trying to keep the fans happy at the last minute.
And *repaired* damage trumps a fully-engineered wreck every time,
although that's the essence of your previously-stated "It's not the
despair, it's the hope".

(Would you rather have it have been the Namek Saga hooked to "in the
tradition of Fellowship of the Ring", unquote, instead of Smallville,
back when Fox first married themselves to the material seven years ago?)

Derek Janssen
eja...@verizon.net

Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

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Sep 6, 2008, 4:18:25 PM9/6/08
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Derek Janssen wrote:
> Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>
>> The stills that are supposedly from the actual DB movie are...
>> well, tragic, in a way. I can see that a lot of the LOOK is there. The
>> whispers of plot tell me that much of the SOUL is gone. Yes, that
>> isn't exactly Piccolo there, but the sad thing is that it's close
>> enough that you can see they COULD have done him just right. And
>> Marsters could pull it off. The kid they've chosen for Goku, to my
>> surprise, looks like he could do that, too. The other cast choices are
>> good-to-brilliant as far as I can tell.
>
> Also, Emmy Rossum seems enthusiastic in interviews about playing Bulma,
> and Jamie Chung claims to have grown up watching the show enough to know
> her way around Chichi.

Well, as I said, the CASTING seems to have been good-to-brilliant. I
mean, Chow Yun Fat as Kame-Senin is positively inspired. Marsters, while
not my first choice, turned out to be a fanboy and can manage to look
the part for Piccolo. Chatwin, who I at first thought would be
unmitigated disaster, looks to have grasped the essence of the
character, based on poses and expressions. Rossum and Chung definitely
fit for their roles.

>
> (And it's always a helpful anchor to have at least *one* cast member of
> a live-action cartoon who's familiar with the source material enough to
> know what character they're playing. Take it from an old battle-scarred
> Flintstones fan.) -_-

Yabba-dabba DON'T go there.

>
>> And yet what I've heard of the actual MOVIE sounds like they've
>> gutted the POINT of Dragonball, which is the wierd, wierd world and
>> the Monkey King-in-a-blender plotline.
>
> It's the ten years of development heck what did it, causing studios
> (particularly when some rights-ownership deadline approaches to produce
> the script or lose it) to say, "Look, WHAT'S the big problem,
> anyway?--There must be *some* hook to it, and you play to that; now get
> going, ya knuckleheads!":
>
> In this case, someone said "Teen with powers", and claimed he heard the
> Z Goku was "inspired by Superman", and that sent them down the
> Smallville path, arm in arm with James Marsters.
> The director wanted to do Smallville, the early-draft writer wanted to
> bring in every DBZ character (in a "plausibly" rewritten way)...And
> while the final version may be battling it out for internal dominance,
> at least it doesn't seem to be *sneering* at the material, like, say,
> Scooby-Doo or Rocky & Bullwinkle.

I'll admit that the sniggering overtone would REALLY hurt. DB/Z can
certainly be made fun of, but if you're adapting it, you need to love
it. Galaxy Quest worked because those who made it loved Star Trek, which
it parodied. A similar issue applies to adaptations like this.

> Also, the fact that we're getting the more source-faithful Tournament
> version of the Piccolo arc--whereas we didn't in the earlier
> drafts--means that somebody didn't want to embarrass themselves, and
> bent over backwards trying to keep the fans happy at the last minute.
> And *repaired* damage trumps a fully-engineered wreck every time,
> although that's the essence of your previously-stated "It's not the
> despair, it's the hope".

I haven't seen later draft. Are you saying that the tournament is
pretty close to the Goku-Ma Junior Budoukai?


>
> (Would you rather have it have been the Namek Saga hooked to "in the
> tradition of Fellowship of the Ring", unquote, instead of Smallville,
> back when Fox first married themselves to the material seven years ago?)

Hmmm. Well, the real problem is that there ISN'T a good "standard
Hollywood Movie" hook for any of that. I mean, the first part of the
saga -- the start of DBZ -- is "Superman II", and the Cell Saga is
"Terminator/T2 on Serious Steroids", but the Namek saga isn't really
that easily summarized (except as "In Desperate Need of Editing").

For the original DB, it's "Journey To the West" meets "Mortal Kombat".

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Derek Janssen

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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>
>> Also, Emmy Rossum seems enthusiastic in interviews about playing
>> Bulma, and Jamie Chung claims to have grown up watching the show
>> enough to know her way around Chichi.
>
> Well, as I said, the CASTING seems to have been good-to-brilliant. I
> mean, Chow Yun Fat as Kame-Senin is positively inspired. Marsters, while
> not my first choice, turned out to be a fanboy and can manage to look
> the part for Piccolo. Chatwin, who I at first thought would be
> unmitigated disaster, looks to have grasped the essence of the
> character, based on poses and expressions. Rossum and Chung definitely
> fit for their roles.

At least Rossum's seen enough of the show to be excited about playing
the "real" Bulma (and yes, we get blue-hair scenes, or at least streaked)--
As opposed to the gun-toting Jolie-wannabe they keep selling us on the
poster for marketing's sake.

>> In this case, someone said "Teen with powers", and claimed he heard
>> the Z Goku was "inspired by Superman", and that sent them down the
>> Smallville path, arm in arm with James Marsters.
>> The director wanted to do Smallville, the early-draft writer wanted to
>> bring in every DBZ character (in a "plausibly" rewritten way)...And
>> while the final version may be battling it out for internal dominance,
>> at least it doesn't seem to be *sneering* at the material, like, say,
>> Scooby-Doo or Rocky & Bullwinkle.

> I'll admit that the sniggering overtone would REALLY hurt. DB/Z can
> certainly be made fun of, but if you're adapting it, you need to love
> it. Galaxy Quest worked because those who made it loved Star Trek, which
> it parodied. A similar issue applies to adaptations like this.

Also, like, say, Robotech or Doctor Who, it's obscure enough that you
have to have *seen* it to make the slightest fun of it, and anyone
outside the gate hasn't a clue where to start--
Trek or Scooby are pop-culture exposed enough that any idiot can wrap
himself up in cheap parody...But about the closest thing we ever got to
a DBZ parody was CN Adult Stoner's "Perfect Hair Forever",
which--although born out of CN's disgruntled-postal-worker attack on
years of having to show the Buu saga--pretty much played out the
standard Clueless Troll line of "So, it's, like, kung-fu guys with big
weird hair and steroid muscles grunting a lot?"

>> Also, the fact that we're getting the more source-faithful Tournament
>> version of the Piccolo arc--whereas we didn't in the earlier
>> drafts--means that somebody didn't want to embarrass themselves, and
>> bent over backwards trying to keep the fans happy at the last minute.
>> And *repaired* damage trumps a fully-engineered wreck every time,
>> although that's the essence of your previously-stated "It's not the
>> despair, it's the hope".
>
> I haven't seen later draft. Are you saying that the tournament is
> pretty close to the Goku-Ma Junior Budoukai?

They've restored the tournament (and thrown in a few minor-character
semi-finals for fan-service, including a Chichi vs. Mai chick-fight),
Roshi explaining how he remembers Master Mutaito first capturing Piccolo
in a bottle, sending Goku to use the bottle again, but our epic
combatants have to duke it out anyway, etc.--Pretty much down the
on-paper story arc line, albeit still in Americanized context.
None of which was in the earlier "leaked script", so someone obviously
went back and tried to keep the original show around for demographic safety.

(Which story arc also explains why the movie is "Dragonball", and not
"Dragon Ball Z", as it's been called for seven years.)

>> (Would you rather have it have been the Namek Saga hooked to "in the
>> tradition of Fellowship of the Ring", unquote, instead of Smallville,
>> back when Fox first married themselves to the material seven years ago?)
>
> Hmmm. Well, the real problem is that there ISN'T a good "standard
> Hollywood Movie" hook for any of that. I mean, the first part of the
> saga -- the start of DBZ -- is "Superman II", and the Cell Saga is
> "Terminator/T2 on Serious Steroids", but the Namek saga isn't really
> that easily summarized (except as "In Desperate Need of Editing").

Oops, sorry, that was the *Raditz* saga Fox was originally looking at,
which has since been reduced to videogame plots a dozen times over...
Since that was the only thing on syndie/disk at the time, no one told
them the series got any more, um, complex than that.

Derek Janssen
eja...@verizon.net

Derek Janssen

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Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:

> Derek Janssen wrote:
>
>> The director wanted to do Smallville, the early-draft writer wanted to
>> bring in every DBZ character (in a "plausibly" rewritten way)...And
>> while the final version may be battling it out for internal dominance,
>> at least it doesn't seem to be *sneering* at the material, like, say,
>> Scooby-Doo or Rocky & Bullwinkle.
>
> I'll admit that the sniggering overtone would REALLY hurt. DB/Z can
> certainly be made fun of, but if you're adapting it, you need to love
> it. Galaxy Quest worked because those who made it loved Star Trek, which
> it parodied. A similar issue applies to adaptations like this.

Similarly, don't think anyone could manage a better DB/Z/Movie parody
than Toriyama managed by himself--
As part of the ritual "Cell vs. Mr. Satan: the Movie" reposting that
traditionally occurs at this point in any DB:TM thread:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1cbOMsDwIc

Derek Janssen (just keeping up tradition...Have to love the classics)
eja...@verizon.net

Invid Fan

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Sep 7, 2008, 5:14:40 PM9/7/08
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In article <g9u6cg$41r$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Ryk E. Spoor
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:

> I met Goku, Tenchi, and Keiichi at roughly the same time. Tenchi had
> potential but was flawed. A!MS! is still one of my favorites. So is
> Dragonball/DBZ.
>
> I don't see the point of "moving on", so to speak.
>

There are shows, and whole genre, you just outgrow. DB was aimed at
kids, and while I never watched it some may feel the say way about it
that I do about Piers Anthony: loved him at age 14, but going back to
those books I wonder why that was so (especially given how much of my
other reading then was of much better written stuff). Maybe it was just
all the sex, in those pre-internet days :)

(on the other hand, the original Three Investigators books my sister
got me for Christmas are as great as I remembered them to be ^_^)

--
Chris Mack *quote under construction*
'Invid Fan'

Aje RavenStar

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"Invid Fan" <in...@loclanet.com> wrote in message
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> In article <g9u6cg$41r$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Ryk E. Spoor
> <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> I met Goku, Tenchi, and Keiichi at roughly the same time. Tenchi had
>> potential but was flawed. A!MS! is still one of my favorites. So is
>> Dragonball/DBZ.
>>
>> I don't see the point of "moving on", so to speak.
>>
> There are shows, and whole genre, you just outgrow. DB was aimed at
> kids, and while I never watched it some may feel the say way about it
> that I do about Piers Anthony: loved him at age 14, but going back to
> those books I wonder why that was so (especially given how much of my
> other reading then was of much better written stuff). Maybe it was just
> all the sex, in those pre-internet days :)
>

I still like Piers, and most of his series have held up ok. I won't reread
any of the Xanth books after the 5th one, but the first three to five have
held up (friend of mine often commented he turns out two of those a year to
pay the bills, then the rest is creativity driven). I still reread
Killobyte every so often, first read it quite a few years before I saw the
similarly themed .hack//sign (Killobyte came out in 1993, .hack//sign first
ran 2002). The Incarnations of Immortality series was excellent and worth
revisiting now and then. The Biography of a Space Tyrant was a good read,
though I haven't been back to it (and it probably would make a good anime,
several similar stories have been made in that media).


Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

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Invid Fan wrote:
> In article <g9u6cg$41r$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Ryk E. Spoor
> <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> I met Goku, Tenchi, and Keiichi at roughly the same time. Tenchi had
>> potential but was flawed. A!MS! is still one of my favorites. So is
>> Dragonball/DBZ.
>>
>> I don't see the point of "moving on", so to speak.
>>
> There are shows, and whole genre, you just outgrow.

Well, for values of "you" that doesn't in general include me. Once I
passed my early/late teens I can't think of anything I've "outgrown" and
there's quite a lot of stuff from before then I haven't "outgrown".

I think it was C.S. Lewis who said something like "once I became an
adult I put away all childish things... including the fear of being
considered childish."

Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

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Aje RavenStar wrote:

> I still like Piers, and most of his series have held up ok. I won't reread
> any of the Xanth books after the 5th one, but the first three to five have
> held up (friend of mine often commented he turns out two of those a year to
> pay the bills, then the rest is creativity driven).

The first three Xanth books I felt were reasonably interesting. This is
the Standard Piers Anthony rule: between the first one and three of any
given Anthony series will have some cool stuff in it, but once it drops
off, stop right there.

By far his best work was _Macroscope_, I think.

Aje RavenStar

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"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
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I have to concur here. For me (and this applies only to me), it's not a
matter of outgrowing, it's a matter of experiencing new things on a regular
basis as much as I can. Certainly, if I was the sort to 'outgrow' stuff, I
won't bother building up a library (or rebuilding it as I've had to several
times).

Things I'm fairly sure I'll never outgrow (and keep on hand for when I want
them) to date:

Charles Dickens (not all his works, but many).
Rex Stout's Nero Wolfe
.hack//sign
(and on and on and on).

But to keep growing, you have to keep taking in new things. And there is
only so much time.


Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

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I can keep growing just by eating. Unfortunately it's mostly sideways.

There is only so much time in any given day, but only defeatists accept
this "death" thing.

Aje RavenStar

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"Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote in message
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I'm not one of them. I should have expressed it, "there is only so much
time in the day". After all, there is only one valid proof that we're not
immortal, and I've yet to see such proof regarding myself. (my favorite
paradox thang).


Invid Fan

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Sep 7, 2008, 7:11:10 PM9/7/08
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In article <ga1iu9$4pg$2...@registered.motzarella.org>, Ryk E. Spoor
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:

> Aje RavenStar wrote:
>
> > I still like Piers, and most of his series have held up ok. I won't reread
> > any of the Xanth books after the 5th one, but the first three to five have
> > held up (friend of mine often commented he turns out two of those a year to
> > pay the bills, then the rest is creativity driven).
>
> The first three Xanth books I felt were reasonably interesting. This is
> the Standard Piers Anthony rule: between the first one and three of any
> given Anthony series will have some cool stuff in it, but once it drops
> off, stop right there.
>

He wrote good trilogies... but most of his later series were 5+ books :)

Invid Fan

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Sep 7, 2008, 7:11:16 PM9/7/08
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In article <ga1iib$4pg$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Ryk E. Spoor
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:

> Invid Fan wrote:
> > In article <g9u6cg$41r$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Ryk E. Spoor
> > <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I met Goku, Tenchi, and Keiichi at roughly the same time. Tenchi had
> >> potential but was flawed. A!MS! is still one of my favorites. So is
> >> Dragonball/DBZ.
> >>
> >> I don't see the point of "moving on", so to speak.
> >>
> > There are shows, and whole genre, you just outgrow.
>
> Well, for values of "you" that doesn't in general include me. Once I
> passed my early/late teens I can't think of anything I've "outgrown" and
> there's quite a lot of stuff from before then I haven't "outgrown".
>

Maybe "get sick of" is a better phrase for it then? :)

> I think it was C.S. Lewis who said something like "once I became an
> adult I put away all childish things... including the fear of being
> considered childish."

Doctor Who once said, "What's the point of being an adult if you can't
be childish, sometimes?"

Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)

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Sep 7, 2008, 9:19:14 PM9/7/08
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Invid Fan wrote:
> In article <ga1iib$4pg$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Ryk E. Spoor
> <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
>> Invid Fan wrote:
>>> In article <g9u6cg$41r$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Ryk E. Spoor
>>> <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I met Goku, Tenchi, and Keiichi at roughly the same time. Tenchi had
>>>> potential but was flawed. A!MS! is still one of my favorites. So is
>>>> Dragonball/DBZ.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see the point of "moving on", so to speak.
>>>>
>>> There are shows, and whole genre, you just outgrow.
>> Well, for values of "you" that doesn't in general include me. Once I
>> passed my early/late teens I can't think of anything I've "outgrown" and
>> there's quite a lot of stuff from before then I haven't "outgrown".
>>
> Maybe "get sick of" is a better phrase for it then? :)

Takes a lot to manage that with me -- I once ate spaghetti for about a
month straight.


> Doctor Who once said, "What's the point of being an adult if you can't
> be childish, sometimes?"
>

He also once said "Run for your life."

Invid Fan

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Sep 7, 2008, 10:34:26 PM9/7/08
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In article <ga1u47$dnb$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Ryk E. Spoor
<sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:

> Invid Fan wrote:
> > In article <ga1iib$4pg$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Ryk E. Spoor
> > <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Invid Fan wrote:
> >>> In article <g9u6cg$41r$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, Ryk E. Spoor
> >>> <sea...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I met Goku, Tenchi, and Keiichi at roughly the same time. Tenchi had
> >>>> potential but was flawed. A!MS! is still one of my favorites. So is
> >>>> Dragonball/DBZ.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't see the point of "moving on", so to speak.
> >>>>
> >>> There are shows, and whole genre, you just outgrow.
> >> Well, for values of "you" that doesn't in general include me. Once I
> >> passed my early/late teens I can't think of anything I've "outgrown" and
> >> there's quite a lot of stuff from before then I haven't "outgrown".
> >>
> > Maybe "get sick of" is a better phrase for it then? :)
>
> Takes a lot to manage that with me -- I once ate spaghetti for about a
> month straight.

I actually OD'd on Lord of the Rings as a teen. I tried to re-read it
when the movies started coming out and couldn't get far. Maybe in
another 20 years...

> > Doctor Who once said, "What's the point of being an adult if you can't
> > be childish, sometimes?"
> >
>
> He also once said "Run for your life."

"When I say run, run..."

Hand-of-Omega

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Sep 8, 2008, 10:47:12 PM9/8/08
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On Sep 7, 10:34 pm, Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:
> In article <ga1u47$dn...@registered.motzarella.org>, Ryk E. Spoor

>
>
>
> <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> > Invid Fan wrote:
> > > In article <ga1iib$4p...@registered.motzarella.org>, Ryk E. Spoor

> > > <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Invid Fan wrote:
> > >>> In article <g9u6cg$41...@registered.motzarella.org>, Ryk E. Spoor

> > >>> <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> I met Goku, Tenchi, and Keiichi at roughly the same time. Tenchi had
> > >>>> potential but was flawed. A!MS! is still one of my favorites. So is
> > >>>> Dragonball/DBZ.
>
> > >>>> I don't see the point of "moving on", so to speak.
>
> > >>> There are shows, and whole genre, you just outgrow.
> > >> Well, for values of "you" that doesn't in general include me. Once I
> > >> passed my early/late teens I can't think of anything I've "outgrown" and
> > >> there's quite a lot of stuff from before then I haven't "outgrown".
>
> > > Maybe "get sick of" is a better phrase for it then? :)
>
> > Takes a lot to manage that with me -- I once ate spaghetti for about a
> > month straight.
>
> I actually OD'd on Lord of the Rings as a teen. I tried to re-read it
> when the movies started coming out and couldn't get far. Maybe in
> another 20 years...
>
> > > Doctor Who once said, "What's the point of being an adult if you can't
> > > be childish, sometimes?"
>
> > He also once said "Run for your life."
>
> "When I say run, run..."
>
And that "Logic simply allows you to be wrong, with Authority!"

Dex

Hand-of-Omega

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Sep 8, 2008, 10:49:05 PM9/8/08
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On Sep 7, 5:14 pm, Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote:

> (on the other hand, the original Three Investigators books my sister
> got me for Christmas are as great as I remembered them to be ^_^)
>

I remember those! Even back then, tho, I never believed that Alfred
Hitchcock really had much to do with them. Looks like I was right...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_investigators

But I still suspect that CLAMP read them, too...^^

Dex

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