Things I think really irk anime creators (but can't do a thing about)
Douglas Orlowski
thinking:
Japan has in reality a very limited space program and so, all these
shows with the Japanese in space are a lie.
The UN is a somebody when in reality the countries can't come to terms
with each other (UN Spacy, indeed!)
Remember all those people in Japan wanting to rid themselves of the US
presense until North Korea fired off that missle that could reach
Japan? Quiet now over there isn't it? Anime really doesn't want to
reflect certain political realities of that area some times,
especially this love/hate relationship with the US.
The Japan Century will never be...
Do any of the new anime creators travel a lot? I don't mean to Hawaii
or an overnight/weekend trip to Hong Kong. I mean "really" get around?
The younger ones seem to have very little sense of the world at large
except for what they may get out of the papers or off TV. A lot of the
earlier manga artists had traveled extensively (the US, Europe,
Russia, Africa, Asia, etc.). People like Tezuka and Matsumoto come to
mind...
The US as the last Superpower must irk a lot of people (and not just
the Japanese). A lot of people who want it to "go down" do not seem to
realize that this would put the nail in their own coffins as well...
I must be getting old...waxing political like this...
Doug "so little time" Orlowski
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"Douglas Orlowski" <do...@norlink.net> wrote in message
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> Just sitting here watching the reports of the MIR reentry and
> thinking:
>
> Japan has in reality a very limited space program and so, all these
> shows with the Japanese in space are a lie.
>
> The UN is a somebody when in reality the countries can't come to terms
> with each other (UN Spacy, indeed!)
"The UN can't fight Bosnians, what makes you think they can fight
Martians?" -Carl Horn
The reason why the UN is featured so prominently in anime is because it's
the only reason the Japanese can go out into the world or space and fight.
Remember the Japanese constitution forbids unilateral military involvement
and raising an offensive military force.
> Remember all those people in Japan wanting to rid themselves of the US
> presense until North Korea fired off that missle that could reach
> Japan? Quiet now over there isn't it? Anime really doesn't want to
> reflect certain political realities of that area some times,
> especially this love/hate relationship with the US.
Uh, no. See Gasaraki yet?
> The Japan Century will never be...
>
> Do any of the new anime creators travel a lot? I don't mean to Hawaii
> or an overnight/weekend trip to Hong Kong. I mean "really" get around?
> The younger ones seem to have very little sense of the world at large
> except for what they may get out of the papers or off TV. A lot of the
> earlier manga artists had traveled extensively (the US, Europe,
> Russia, Africa, Asia, etc.). People like Tezuka and Matsumoto come to
> mind...
This isn't actually that true. Utena's Kunihiko Ikuhara practically spent
last year in the US, and is moving here, Kenichi Sonoda has visited the US
on occasion (in fact, anyone involved in making a semi-realistic portrait of
firearms usually has to come to the US: I know, in addition to Sonoda, that
the animators of the Gunsmith Cats and Spriggan anime had come to the US for
research and Hideo Kojima and company visited the US for Metal Gear Solid,
as told in the Art of Metal Gear Solid book, where one of the artists is
praising the Japanese airsoft companies for making such realistic replicas
that when he fired a real USP, the recoil was much like his air pistol at
home), and Hayao Miyazaki and Hideaki Anno have visited the Sahara Desert,
flying on the winds of the Ghibli, rumored to be researching for a joint
project.
> The US as the last Superpower must irk a lot of people (and not just
> the Japanese). A lot of people who want it to "go down" do not seem to
> realize that this would put the nail in their own coffins as well...
>
> I must be getting old...waxing political like this...
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Slithy Tove
wrote:
>Do any of the new anime creators travel a lot? I don't mean to Hawaii
>or an overnight/weekend trip to Hong Kong. I mean "really" get around?
>The younger ones seem to have very little sense of the world at large
>except for what they may get out of the papers or off TV. A lot of the
>earlier manga artists had traveled extensively (the US, Europe,
>Russia, Africa, Asia, etc.). People like Tezuka and Matsumoto come to
>mind...
Well, Sonoda spent time in Chicago doing background for "Gunsmith
Cats" (and it shows in the OAV's), Miyazaki spent a lot of time in
Sweden, and shot 80 rolls of film there, doing research for the sets
of Kiki, and Ikuhara will be spending the coming two years in the US.
Anyone else anyone can think of?
== Tove
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>On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:33:57 GMT, Douglas Orlowski <do...@norlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Do any of the new anime creators travel a lot? I don't mean to Hawaii
>>or an overnight/weekend trip to Hong Kong. I mean "really" get around?
>>The younger ones seem to have very little sense of the world at large
>>except for what they may get out of the papers or off TV. A lot of the
>>earlier manga artists had traveled extensively (the US, Europe,
>>Russia, Africa, Asia, etc.). People like Tezuka and Matsumoto come to
>>mind...
>
>Well, Sonoda spent time in Chicago doing background for "Gunsmith
>Cats" (and it shows in the OAV's), Miyazaki spent a lot of time in
>Sweden, and shot 80 rolls of film there, doing research for the sets
>of Kiki, and Ikuhara will be spending the coming two years in the US.
Miyazaki (and possibly some other Studio Zuiyo people) also went to Switzerland
in the early 70's to do research for "Heidi."
E. Bernhard Warg
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>"Douglas Orlowski" <do...@norlink.net> wrote in message
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>> Remember all those people in Japan wanting to rid themselves of the US
>> presense until North Korea fired off that missle that could reach
>> Japan? Quiet now over there isn't it? Anime really doesn't want to
>> reflect certain political realities of that area some times,
>> especially this love/hate relationship with the US.
>Uh, no. See Gasaraki yet?
Or Patlabor Movie 2, in which this was a critical element.
ru
Bogdan Sfatcu
Slithy Tove :
> >Do any of the new anime creators travel a lot? I don't mean to Hawaii
> >or an overnight/weekend trip to Hong Kong. I mean "really" get around?
> >The younger ones seem to have very little sense of the world at large
> >except for what they may get out of the papers or off TV. A lot of the
> >earlier manga artists had traveled extensively (the US, Europe,
> >Russia, Africa, Asia, etc.). People like Tezuka and Matsumoto come to
> >mind...
>
> Well, Sonoda spent time in Chicago doing background for "Gunsmith
> Cats" (and it shows in the OAV's), Miyazaki spent a lot of time in
> Sweden, and shot 80 rolls of film there, doing research for the sets
> of Kiki, and Ikuhara will be spending the coming two years in the US.
>
> Anyone else anyone can think of?
The Bandai crew went to Morocco for the Cowboy Bebop movie.
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<do...@norlink.net> wrote:
>Just sitting here watching the reports of the MIR reentry and
>thinking:
>
>Japan has in reality a very limited space program and so, all these
>shows with the Japanese in space are a lie.
><slash!>
Never mind all that, what I'd like to know is how come the
defense of the entire Earth is always left to 15-year-old
girls in sailor dresses?
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Bogdan Sfatcu <kael_o...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Shouji Kawamori came to the US to fly around on a plane. Or jet. Or
something. Ah well, it was research.
Jojo
Arnold Kim
Frank Raymond Michaels <fra...@i-2000.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:33:57 GMT, Douglas Orlowski
> <do...@norlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Just sitting here watching the reports of the MIR reentry and
> >thinking:
> >
> >Japan has in reality a very limited space program and so, all these
> >shows with the Japanese in space are a lie.
> ><slash!>
>
> Never mind all that, what I'd like to know is how come the
> defense of the entire Earth is always left to 15-year-old
> girls in sailor dresses?
_That_ is based on fate. You can't avoid fate.
Arnold Kim
No matter how much Usagi resisted...
Matt Martin
Arnold Kim <ki...@erols.com> imparted the following wisdom unto us:
Well, that and the writers figured that people would be interested in
seiing girls with short skirts fight monsters (did I mention the short
skirts?) and save the day. And they have short skirts.
Hey, I'm not complaining...
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Matt Martin <buf...@yggdrasil.dhs.org> wrote in message
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> After meditating for hours on Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:02:28 -0500,
> Arnold Kim <ki...@erols.com> imparted the following wisdom unto us:
>
> > Frank Raymond Michaels <fra...@i-2000.com> wrote in message
> > news:3abb4b6...@news.i-2000.com...
> > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:33:57 GMT, Douglas Orlowski
> > > <do...@norlink.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Just sitting here watching the reports of the MIR reentry and
> > > >thinking:
> > > >
> > > >Japan has in reality a very limited space program and so, all these
> > > >shows with the Japanese in space are a lie.
> > > ><slash!>
> > >
> > > Never mind all that, what I'd like to know is how come the
> > > defense of the entire Earth is always left to 15-year-old
> > > girls in sailor dresses?
> >
> > _That_ is based on fate. You can't avoid fate.
> >
> > Arnold Kim
> > No matter how much Usagi resisted...
>
> Well, that and the writers figured that people would be interested in
> seiing girls with short skirts fight monsters (did I mention the short
> skirts?) and save the day. And they have short skirts.
And because it is fitting.
Jojo
archelon34
>
> Just sitting here watching the reports of the MIR reentry and
> thinking:
>
> Japan has in reality a very limited space program and so, all these
> shows with the Japanese in space are a lie.
>
> The UN is a somebody when in reality the countries can't come to terms
> with each other (UN Spacy, indeed!)
>
> Remember all those people in Japan wanting to rid themselves of the US
> presense until North Korea fired off that missle that could reach
> Japan? Quiet now over there isn't it? Anime really doesn't want to
> reflect certain political realities of that area some times,
> especially this love/hate relationship with the US.
Actually, I just watched "The Silent Service", which does make the
United States the villan.
Led Mirage
wrote:
>Well, Sonoda spent time in Chicago doing background for "Gunsmith
>Cats" (and it shows in the OAV's), Miyazaki spent a lot of time in
>Sweden, and shot 80 rolls of film there, doing research for the sets
>of Kiki, and Ikuhara will be spending the coming two years in the US.
>
>Anyone else anyone can think of?
Well, Oshii shot Avalon in Warsaw.
chika
Douglas Orlowski <do...@norlink.net> wrote:
> Just sitting here watching the reports of the MIR reentry and
> thinking:
You'll go blind, I tellya...
All I saw as Mir burnt up was a bunch of metal. Maybe an old bunch of
metal, maybe there are political overtones to its existance, but that's
all.
The problem will always be that some folk will always try to read more
into it than there actually is, mostly to prove their own points of view.
Anime is, in the majority, fictional. There is no requirement for actual
experience to have occurred, since that is the nature of documentary, not
fiction. If you consider that only a handful of men and women have been to
space, then if you continue the idea that only those with actual
experience have the right to write about it, then space fiction would be
rare indeed. In actual fact there has been space fiction in many forms
since well before the space programme came into existance. It is not a
valid argument unless you credit these titles with documentary
credentials, which is rarely the case. Indeed there is no more or less
right to existance of Macross as a series than Star Trek or Babylon 5.
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The second Patlabor movie contains that love-hate relationship with the U.S.
Homer
>
> Douglas Orlowski wrote:
> > Just sitting here watching the reports of the MIR reentry and
> > thinking:
>
> All I saw as Mir burnt up was a bunch of metal. Maybe an old bunch of
> metal, maybe there are political overtones to its existance, but that's
> all.
> The problem will always be that some folk will always try to read more
What?!! You mean it wasn't part of some Russian newtype scheme to cause a
nuclear winter by dropping a colony on the earth? ;)
S.t.A.n.L.e.E
>
> "Douglas Orlowski" <do...@norlink.net> wrote in message
> news:hlrlbtofou7v55ecv...@4ax.com...
>
> > The Japan Century will never be...
> >
> > Do any of the new anime creators travel a lot? I don't mean to Hawaii
> > or an overnight/weekend trip to Hong Kong. I mean "really" get around?
> > The younger ones seem to have very little sense of the world at large
> > except for what they may get out of the papers or off TV. A lot of the
> > earlier manga artists had traveled extensively (the US, Europe,
> > Russia, Africa, Asia, etc.). People like Tezuka and Matsumoto come to
> > mind...
>
> This isn't actually that true. Utena's Kunihiko Ikuhara practically spent
> last year in the US, and is moving here, Kenichi Sonoda has visited the US
> on occasion (in fact, anyone involved in making a semi-realistic portrait of
> firearms usually has to come to the US: I know, in addition to Sonoda, that
> the animators of the Gunsmith Cats and Spriggan anime had come to the US for
> research and Hideo Kojima and company visited the US for Metal Gear Solid,
> as told in the Art of Metal Gear Solid book, where one of the artists is
> praising the Japanese airsoft companies for making such realistic replicas
> that when he fired a real USP, the recoil was much like his air pistol at
> home), and Hayao Miyazaki and Hideaki Anno have visited the Sahara Desert,
> flying on the winds of the Ghibli, rumored to be researching for a joint
> project.
>
Miyazaki and Sonoda definitely aren't "new;" they're old.
Anno has been around for a while now too.
Ikuhara could most likely qualify as new.
Dunno about Kojima.
Laters. =)
Stan
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> chika wrote:
> > You'll go blind, I tellya...
> > All I saw as Mir burnt up was a bunch of metal. Maybe an old bunch of
> > metal, maybe there are political overtones to its existance, but that's
> > all.
> > The problem will always be that some folk will always try to read more
> > into it than there actually is...
>
> What?!! You mean it wasn't part of some Russian newtype scheme to cause a
> nuclear winter by dropping a colony on the earth? ;)
Ok, for the gamers out there, I've got to ask...
How much MDC does a Colony Drop do?
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There's a manga, IIRC, called Kyoko, drawn by Ikegami and written by
longtime collaborator Burason (sp), about a Japanese woman who is raped by
American servicemen who are fought off by a black US serviceman, whom she
later falls in love with and is drawn into a conspiracy when he disappears
mysterously.
Frank Raymond Michaels
Ah. I always thought we were just disrespecting the
invaders: "Here, you pansy-assed monsters, we sent some
little girls in skirts to kick your wussy tails off our
planet. Now go home and cry to your brood-mommies before we
send some grownups..."
Can you imagine being a macho alien invader and have to
explain to your home command how your invincible invasion
fleet had its ass handed to it by a handful of pre-pubescent
female larva of an inferior species?
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chika
Homer <ho...@simpson.com> wrote:
> What?!! You mean it wasn't part of some Russian newtype scheme to cause a
> nuclear winter by dropping a colony on the earth? ;)
After all the mishaps of the past few years, you could forgive any Russian
newtype for wanting to find a way back to Earth.... ;)
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> "Homer " <ho...@simpson.com> wrote in message
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> > chika wrote:
>
> > > You'll go blind, I tellya...
> > > All I saw as Mir burnt up was a bunch of metal. Maybe an old bunch of
> > > metal, maybe there are political overtones to its existance, but that's
> > > all.
> > > The problem will always be that some folk will always try to read more
> > > into it than there actually is...
> >
> > What?!! You mean it wasn't part of some Russian newtype scheme to cause a
> > nuclear winter by dropping a colony on the earth? ;)
>
> Ok, for the gamers out there, I've got to ask...
>
> How much MDC does a Colony Drop do?
Gundam canon is that it knocks out a crater from sydney to canberra [why
couldn't they have dropped the damn thing on canberra instead?]. I think
we're *well* above MDC here; I'd suggest GDC, but I suspect TDC would be
more accurate...
I suspect though that a RealWorld O'neil colony wouldn't do half that
damage [my guess is maybe ten km tops]; anyone got some numbers for canon
mass, velocity, Ke, etc?
Louis
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>I suspect though that a RealWorld O'neil colony wouldn't do half that
>damage [my guess is maybe ten km tops]; anyone got some numbers for canon
>mass, velocity, Ke, etc?
Don't forget that you quickly reach a point of deminishing return with
explosive force. A megaton nuke doesn't make a crater one thousand times
bigger than a kiloton nuke does.
A falling O'Neil type colony, or any other good sized, but fairly slow
moving, orbital impact probably would register into the megaton range, but
wouldn't make a crater much bigger than your average nuke would. Ten
kilometers sounds a bit large to me, probably the shockwave would extend out to
ten km, but not the crater itself.
We could, I suppose, toss in a guestimate on the weight of an O'Neil,
figure its velocity (given whatever we were using to push it out of its orbit),
and work that out in joules, then convert that to kilotons.
Still, given the basic fact that until you get into the planet cracking
range you get diminishing returns on big explosions, you don't have to actually
put numbers to it, just assume that it's in the multimegaton range and call it
close enough for anime :)
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Nargun
> lou...@student.unimelb.edu.au (Nargun) wrote in
>
> >I suspect though that a RealWorld O'neil colony wouldn't do half that
> >damage [my guess is maybe ten km tops]; anyone got some numbers for canon
> >mass, velocity, Ke, etc?
>
> Don't forget that you quickly reach a point of deminishing return with
> explosive force. A megaton nuke doesn't make a crater one thousand times
> bigger than a kiloton nuke does.
nodnodnod; at a guess, diameter varies with something like the 2.5th
root...
> A falling O'Neil type colony, or any other good sized, but fairly slow
> moving, orbital impact probably would register into the megaton range, but
> wouldn't make a crater much bigger than your average nuke would. Ten
> kilometers sounds a bit large to me, probably the shockwave would extend out to
> ten km, but not the crater itself.
It's an upper limit. It's just a blind guess though...
> We could, I suppose, toss in a guestimate on the weight of an O'Neil,
> figure its velocity (given whatever we were using to push it out of its orbit),
> and work that out in joules, then convert that to kilotons.
Which still won't help, as I don't believe that anything that big has ever
been surface-burst tested... Still, it'd give us a lower limit and an
order of magnitude upper limit...
> Still, given the basic fact that until you get into the planet cracking
> range you get diminishing returns on big explosions, you don't have to actually
> put numbers to it, just assume that it's in the multimegaton range and call it
> close enough for anime :)
But we still aren't going to be blowing away whole countries with a
single drop [unless they're really *cute* countries, like andorra...]
Brad Jackson
>> close enough for anime :)
>
>But we still aren't going to be blowing away whole countries with a
>single drop [unless they're really *cute* countries, like andorra...]
Or perhaps Vatican City. Or Monaco. Sealand could be blown away with a
WWII blockbuster type bomb, but then, it is the smallest nation on Earth.
Still, you're right, a falling O'Neil won't destroy entire countries.