> Captain Nerd wrote: > > In article <hchbtc$g1...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >> Rob Kelk wrote: > >>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:22:38 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" > >>> <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >>>> Jim diGriz wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:38:58 -0400, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> >>>>>> It's unlikely he would have since if he's never heard the word "fen" > >>>>>> in > >>>>>> that context, he's a fan, but not part of fan CULTURE, because that's > >>>>>> where you'd encounter it -- going to SF (not anime) conventions, > >>>>>> hanging > >>>>>> out or talking with (mostly older-school) SF fans online, etc. You'll > >>>>> Online? Online?! Luxury! Back in my day all we had was apazines. And we > >>>>> liked it! Jim shakes his copy of Plokta at Sea Wasp !!SHAKES!!
> >>>> Yeah, yeah, pops, I was talking about today, so sit back in your > >>>> wheelchair and gum your applesauce.
> >>>> We have copies of some pretty darn early *anime* APAs around here (how > >>>> early? Reviews of new anime include the original Mobile Suit Gundam and > >>>> Patalliro!, which makes it very early for an American-based anime APA). > >>> You guys are, of course, going to scan those APAs so that you have > >>> backup copies of the APAs, right?
> >>> (And maybe you'll share those scans so that there are more backup copies > >>> of them, right?)
> >>> It wouldn't be a Good Thing if they were lost to fire or flood, right?
> >> Do you really want late 70s, early 80s Patalliro! fanfiction?
> > Someone might, sometime. Information should be freely available, > > so that the total value of the network is increased.
> There are some things that, if available, *decrease* the value of the > network. The Star Wars Holiday Special is the canonical example.
I don't know, some things should be available, if only to serve as a warning to future generations...
Cap.
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Captain Nerd wrote: > In article <hcho6j$e5...@news.eternal-september.org>, > "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>> Captain Nerd wrote: >>> In article <hchbtc$g1...@news.eternal-september.org>, >>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> Rob Kelk wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:22:38 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" >>>>> <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Jim diGriz wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:38:58 -0400, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>>>>>>> It's unlikely he would have since if he's never heard the word "fen" >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> that context, he's a fan, but not part of fan CULTURE, because that's >>>>>>>> where you'd encounter it -- going to SF (not anime) conventions, >>>>>>>> hanging >>>>>>>> out or talking with (mostly older-school) SF fans online, etc. You'll >>>>>>> Online? Online?! Luxury! Back in my day all we had was apazines. And we >>>>>>> liked it! Jim shakes his copy of Plokta at Sea Wasp !!SHAKES!!
>>>>>> Yeah, yeah, pops, I was talking about today, so sit back in your >>>>>> wheelchair and gum your applesauce.
>>>>>> We have copies of some pretty darn early *anime* APAs around here (how >>>>>> early? Reviews of new anime include the original Mobile Suit Gundam and >>>>>> Patalliro!, which makes it very early for an American-based anime APA). >>>>> You guys are, of course, going to scan those APAs so that you have >>>>> backup copies of the APAs, right?
>>>>> (And maybe you'll share those scans so that there are more backup copies >>>>> of them, right?)
>>>>> It wouldn't be a Good Thing if they were lost to fire or flood, right?
>>>> Do you really want late 70s, early 80s Patalliro! fanfiction? >>> Someone might, sometime. Information should be freely available, >>> so that the total value of the network is increased. >> There are some things that, if available, *decrease* the value of the >> network. The Star Wars Holiday Special is the canonical example.
> I don't know, some things should be available, if only to serve as > a warning to future generations...
But not on the NETWORK. Leave the directions to find the secure vaults where you've sealed the toxic waste.
> Captain Nerd wrote: > > In article <hcho6j$e5...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >> Captain Nerd wrote: > >>> In article <hchbtc$g1...@news.eternal-september.org>, > >>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >>>> Rob Kelk wrote: > >>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:22:38 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" > >>>>> <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Jim diGriz wrote: > >>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:38:58 -0400, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> >>>>>>>> It's unlikely he would have since if he's never heard the word > >>>>>>>> "fen" > >>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> that context, he's a fan, but not part of fan CULTURE, because > >>>>>>>> that's > >>>>>>>> where you'd encounter it -- going to SF (not anime) conventions, > >>>>>>>> hanging > >>>>>>>> out or talking with (mostly older-school) SF fans online, etc. > >>>>>>>> You'll > >>>>>>> Online? Online?! Luxury! Back in my day all we had was apazines. And > >>>>>>> we > >>>>>>> liked it! Jim shakes his copy of Plokta at Sea Wasp !!SHAKES!!
> >>>>>> Yeah, yeah, pops, I was talking about today, so sit back in your > >>>>>> wheelchair and gum your applesauce.
> >>>>>> We have copies of some pretty darn early *anime* APAs around here > >>>>>> (how > >>>>>> early? Reviews of new anime include the original Mobile Suit Gundam > >>>>>> and > >>>>>> Patalliro!, which makes it very early for an American-based anime > >>>>>> APA). > >>>>> You guys are, of course, going to scan those APAs so that you have > >>>>> backup copies of the APAs, right?
> >>>>> (And maybe you'll share those scans so that there are more backup > >>>>> copies > >>>>> of them, right?)
> >>>>> It wouldn't be a Good Thing if they were lost to fire or flood, right?
> >>>> Do you really want late 70s, early 80s Patalliro! fanfiction? > >>> Someone might, sometime. Information should be freely available, > >>> so that the total value of the network is increased. > >> There are some things that, if available, *decrease* the value of the > >> network. The Star Wars Holiday Special is the canonical example.
> > I don't know, some things should be available, if only to serve as > > a warning to future generations...
> But not on the NETWORK. Leave the directions to find the secure vaults > where you've sealed the toxic waste.
Maybe a few scenes up on Youtube rotation, kind of like using killed or weakened viruses to build up an immunity in case of exposure to the real thing.
Cap.
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Captain Nerd wrote: > In article <hchqk2$4k...@news.eternal-september.org>, > "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>> Captain Nerd wrote: >>> In article <hcho6j$e5...@news.eternal-september.org>, >>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> Captain Nerd wrote: >>>>> In article <hchbtc$g1...@news.eternal-september.org>, >>>>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Rob Kelk wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:22:38 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" >>>>>>> <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jim diGriz wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:38:58 -0400, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> It's unlikely he would have since if he's never heard the word >>>>>>>>>> "fen" >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> that context, he's a fan, but not part of fan CULTURE, because >>>>>>>>>> that's >>>>>>>>>> where you'd encounter it -- going to SF (not anime) conventions, >>>>>>>>>> hanging >>>>>>>>>> out or talking with (mostly older-school) SF fans online, etc. >>>>>>>>>> You'll >>>>>>>>> Online? Online?! Luxury! Back in my day all we had was apazines. And >>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>> liked it! Jim shakes his copy of Plokta at Sea Wasp !!SHAKES!!
>>>>>>>> Yeah, yeah, pops, I was talking about today, so sit back in your >>>>>>>> wheelchair and gum your applesauce.
>>>>>>>> We have copies of some pretty darn early *anime* APAs around here >>>>>>>> (how >>>>>>>> early? Reviews of new anime include the original Mobile Suit Gundam >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> Patalliro!, which makes it very early for an American-based anime >>>>>>>> APA). >>>>>>> You guys are, of course, going to scan those APAs so that you have >>>>>>> backup copies of the APAs, right?
>>>>>>> (And maybe you'll share those scans so that there are more backup >>>>>>> copies >>>>>>> of them, right?)
>>>>>>> It wouldn't be a Good Thing if they were lost to fire or flood, right?
>>>>>> Do you really want late 70s, early 80s Patalliro! fanfiction? >>>>> Someone might, sometime. Information should be freely available, >>>>> so that the total value of the network is increased. >>>> There are some things that, if available, *decrease* the value of the >>>> network. The Star Wars Holiday Special is the canonical example. >>> I don't know, some things should be available, if only to serve as >>> a warning to future generations... >> But not on the NETWORK. Leave the directions to find the secure vaults >> where you've sealed the toxic waste.
> Maybe a few scenes up on Youtube rotation, kind of like using > killed or weakened viruses to build up an immunity in case of > exposure to the real thing.
That might work, but what poor bastard are you going to sacrifice in order to select the right scenes?
> Captain Nerd wrote: > > In article <hchqk2$4k...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >> Captain Nerd wrote: > >>> In article <hcho6j$e5...@news.eternal-september.org>, > >>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >>>> Captain Nerd wrote: > >>>>> In article <hchbtc$g1...@news.eternal-september.org>, > >>>>> "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Rob Kelk wrote: > >>>>>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:22:38 -0400, "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" > >>>>>>> <seaw...@sgeinc.invalid.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Jim diGriz wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:38:58 -0400, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> It's unlikely he would have since if he's never heard the word > >>>>>>>>>> "fen" > >>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>> that context, he's a fan, but not part of fan CULTURE, because > >>>>>>>>>> that's > >>>>>>>>>> where you'd encounter it -- going to SF (not anime) conventions, > >>>>>>>>>> hanging > >>>>>>>>>> out or talking with (mostly older-school) SF fans online, etc. > >>>>>>>>>> You'll > >>>>>>>>> Online? Online?! Luxury! Back in my day all we had was apazines. > >>>>>>>>> And > >>>>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>> liked it! Jim shakes his copy of Plokta at Sea Wasp !!SHAKES!!
> >>>>>>>> Yeah, yeah, pops, I was talking about today, so sit back in your > >>>>>>>> wheelchair and gum your applesauce.
> >>>>>>>> We have copies of some pretty darn early *anime* APAs around here > >>>>>>>> (how > >>>>>>>> early? Reviews of new anime include the original Mobile Suit Gundam > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> Patalliro!, which makes it very early for an American-based anime > >>>>>>>> APA). > >>>>>>> You guys are, of course, going to scan those APAs so that you have > >>>>>>> backup copies of the APAs, right?
> >>>>>>> (And maybe you'll share those scans so that there are more backup > >>>>>>> copies > >>>>>>> of them, right?)
> >>>>>>> It wouldn't be a Good Thing if they were lost to fire or flood, > >>>>>>> right?
> >>>>>> Do you really want late 70s, early 80s Patalliro! fanfiction? > >>>>> Someone might, sometime. Information should be freely available, > >>>>> so that the total value of the network is increased. > >>>> There are some things that, if available, *decrease* the value of the > >>>> network. The Star Wars Holiday Special is the canonical example. > >>> I don't know, some things should be available, if only to serve as > >>> a warning to future generations... > >> But not on the NETWORK. Leave the directions to find the secure vaults > >> where you've sealed the toxic waste.
> > Maybe a few scenes up on Youtube rotation, kind of like using > > killed or weakened viruses to build up an immunity in case of > > exposure to the real thing.
> That might work, but what poor bastard are you going to sacrifice in > order to select the right scenes?
It's okay, there are no right scenes.
<RIMSHOT>
Cap.
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Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote: > I'm going to assume everyone in this thread has seen Otaku no Video, as > it covers both the fan and business side of things :)
The first time I watched this, it was when I was visiting a friend of mine in Tokyo. I didn't know it was supposed to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
Also, about halfway through I realized I'd hit that point in my Japanese studies where I could think in Japanese for extended periods of time. In fact, even when they had the English interviews, I found myself paying more attention to the Japanese voice overs or subtitles - they were easier to understand.
The whole thing freaked me out pretty badly as I saw myself at a very clear crossroads with one path leading to true otakudom. I consciously made the decision to take the other path, and haven't regretted it.
In article <VqednamcRoifC23XnZ2dnUVZ_tudn...@posted.rawbandwidth>, Doug
Jacobs <djac...@rawbw.com> wrote: > Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote: > > I'm going to assume everyone in this thread has seen Otaku no Video, as > > it covers both the fan and business side of things :)
> The first time I watched this, it was when I was visiting a friend of mine > in Tokyo. I didn't know it was supposed to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
> Also, about halfway through I realized I'd hit that point in my Japanese > studies where I could think in Japanese for extended periods of time. In > fact, even when they had the English interviews, I found myself paying more > attention to the Japanese voice overs or subtitles - they were easier to > understand.
The subtitles of the Japanese voice over of the English interview has nothing to do with what the guy is actually saying in English anyways :)
> The whole thing freaked me out pretty badly as I saw myself at a very > clear crossroads with one path leading to true otakudom. I consciously > made the decision to take the other path, and haven't regretted it.
Yup. It's a show where at some point the viewer stops laughing, as they suddenly see themselves on screen :)
-- Chris Mack *quote under construction* 'Invid Fan'
Invid Fan wrote: > In article <VqednamcRoifC23XnZ2dnUVZ_tudn...@posted.rawbandwidth>, Doug > Jacobs <djac...@rawbw.com> wrote:
>> Invid Fan <in...@loclanet.com> wrote: >>> I'm going to assume everyone in this thread has seen Otaku no Video, as >>> it covers both the fan and business side of things :) >> The first time I watched this, it was when I was visiting a friend of mine >> in Tokyo. I didn't know it was supposed to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
>> Also, about halfway through I realized I'd hit that point in my Japanese >> studies where I could think in Japanese for extended periods of time. In >> fact, even when they had the English interviews, I found myself paying more >> attention to the Japanese voice overs or subtitles - they were easier to >> understand.
> The subtitles of the Japanese voice over of the English interview has > nothing to do with what the guy is actually saying in English anyways > :)
>> The whole thing freaked me out pretty badly as I saw myself at a very >> clear crossroads with one path leading to true otakudom. I consciously >> made the decision to take the other path, and haven't regretted it.
> Yup. It's a show where at some point the viewer stops laughing, as they > suddenly see themselves on screen :)
You mean, a show where the viewer suddenly leaps to his feet and shouts **YES!!!** as he sees himself on screen.
>> The whole thing freaked me out pretty badly as I saw myself at a very >> clear crossroads with one path leading to true otakudom. I consciously >> made the decision to take the other path, and haven't regretted it.
> Yup. It's a show where at some point the viewer stops laughing, as they > suddenly see themselves on screen :)
I didn't feel this way much during Otaku no Video, but it hit a lot during Genshiken. I saw myself and my friends rather well-defined in some of the characters.
>>> The whole thing freaked me out pretty badly as I saw myself at a very >>> clear crossroads with one path leading to true otakudom. I >>> consciously made the decision to take the other path, and haven't >>> regretted it.
>> Yup. It's a show where at some point the viewer stops laughing, as they >> suddenly see themselves on screen :)
> I didn't feel this way much during Otaku no Video, but it hit a lot > during Genshiken. I saw myself and my friends rather well-defined in > some of the characters.
Being so ancient I don't see characters representing the aged bibliophile who might have an interest in the study of the popular visual culture but I enjoy most of the Genshiken in the manga and the anime. Enough so that I finally ordered Genshiken 2 volume 1. I see some of myself in most of the characters.
I don't have the economic muscle to pursue Otakuhood. When I did I was spending the money on motorcycles et al and of course in those days I had subscriptions to all the SF magazines.
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