Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss

Miyazaki and environmental themes

3 views
Skip to first unread message

Aub

unread,
Sep 22, 2009, 3:10:06 AM9/22/09
to
Anyone know of any good sources for finding out information about the
environmental themes in Hayao Miyazaki's films?

cheers

dbbrandell

unread,
Sep 22, 2009, 4:00:11 AM9/22/09
to

Watch 'em, of course.

Google this newsgroup; has been hashed over in the past. Wikipedia is
full of fanboy written articles, so maybe some stuff there, but, being
wiki, the quality will vary. Don't use too many forums myself, so can't
help there.

DBB

Galen

unread,
Sep 22, 2009, 5:21:57 AM9/22/09
to

Doug Jacobs

unread,
Sep 23, 2009, 2:53:15 PM9/23/09
to
Aub <aubrey.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone know of any good sources for finding out information about the
> environmental themes in Hayao Miyazaki's films?

Most of his films are quite heavy handed when it comes to environmental
themes... Nausicaa, Pon Poko and Princess Mononoke are among his best
known examples. His old TV series however, Future Boy Conan, basically
squishes most of his themes into a single story.

--
It's not broken. It's...advanced.

Gilles Poitras

unread,
Sep 24, 2009, 9:37:11 AM9/24/09
to
In article <yKOdnbcir-wG8yfX...@posted.rawbandwidth>,
Doug Jacobs <dja...@rawbw.com> wrote:

Pon Poko was Takahata.

The Japanese in general are very aware of environmental issues, they are
often covered in the news and on regular TV shows.

--
Gilles Poitras
Profession: Librarian Obsession: Anime
http://www.koyagi.com
http://gillespoitras.blogspot.com/

Antonio E. Gonzalez

unread,
Sep 25, 2009, 12:21:22 AM9/25/09
to
On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 06:37:11 -0700, Gilles Poitras
<For-add...@www.koyagi.com> wrote:

>In article <yKOdnbcir-wG8yfX...@posted.rawbandwidth>,
> Doug Jacobs <dja...@rawbw.com> wrote:
>
>> Aub <aubrey.b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Anyone know of any good sources for finding out information about the
>> > environmental themes in Hayao Miyazaki's films?
>>
>> Most of his films are quite heavy handed when it comes to environmental
>> themes... Nausicaa, Pon Poko and Princess Mononoke are among his best
>> known examples. His old TV series however, Future Boy Conan, basically
>> squishes most of his themes into a single story.
>
>Pon Poko was Takahata.
>
>The Japanese in general are very aware of environmental issues, they are
>often covered in the news and on regular TV shows.

"The Cove" still seemed to hit a nerve . . .

--

- ReFlex76

Doug Jacobs

unread,
Oct 1, 2009, 7:41:41 PM10/1/09
to
Gilles Poitras <For-add...@www.koyagi.com> wrote:
> The Japanese in general are very aware of environmental issues, they are
> often covered in the news and on regular TV shows.

Maybe, but at the same time, they still use disposable chopsticks, and
most of their food comes wrapped in individual wrappers, placed delicately
in a plastic tray, which is then itself double bagged. Their recycling
program is so ridiculously complicated and cumbersome, most folks just
dump their trash illegally, rather than face fines, or worse, the shame from
an uppity neighbor.

Robert Sneddon

unread,
Oct 1, 2009, 8:22:42 PM10/1/09
to
In message <geidnSHgEJ6oo1jX...@posted.rawbandwidth>, Doug
Jacobs <dja...@rawbw.com> writes

>Gilles Poitras <For-add...@www.koyagi.com> wrote:
>> The Japanese in general are very aware of environmental issues, they are
>> often covered in the news and on regular TV shows.
>
>Maybe, but at the same time, they still use disposable chopsticks, and
>most of their food comes wrapped in individual wrappers, placed delicately
>in a plastic tray, which is then itself double bagged.

I noticed that there seemed to be a lot of recycling "product
placement" in Toradora! -- Ryuuji wears an apron labelled Eco and when
we first meet him in ep. 1 he is singing a little ditty about Eco, Eco,
Ecology. His highest praise for Taiga comes when he finds that she is
finally sorting her trash into combustible and non-combustible bins.
Even Ami puts her vending machine soft-drink cans in the recycling bins.
--
To reply, my gmail address is nojay1 Robert Sneddon

Jack Bohn

unread,
Oct 3, 2009, 6:45:14 AM10/3/09
to
Robert Sneddon wrote:

> I noticed that there seemed to be a lot of recycling "product
>placement" in Toradora! -- Ryuuji wears an apron labelled Eco and when
>we first meet him in ep. 1 he is singing a little ditty about Eco, Eco,
>Ecology. His highest praise for Taiga comes when he finds that she is
>finally sorting her trash into combustible and non-combustible bins.

"combustible" bins?
Does not sound so eco-friendly...

--
-Jack

Doug Jacobs

unread,
Oct 14, 2009, 1:42:45 PM10/14/09
to

Oh yeah, I forgot about the "burnable" vs. "non burnable" garbage.

I swear to properly process your garbage in Japan you needed about 9
different bins, along with some specialized tools. When I lived in Japan in
the student dorm, they gave us a demonstration of how to deal with our
garbage. The example that convinced us of why Japan's recycling efforts have
failed was dealing with an aerosol can.

An aerosol can consists of 4 or 5(!) different pieces of garbage(!). First
the cap goes into 1 of the bins for a certain type of plastic. Next you
need to puncture the can to release any pressure inside. Now you can use
pliers to yank out the spray nozzle and its straw. The nozzle is a 2nd type
of plastic, while the straw is a 3rd type of plastic. If the can has an
agitator ball inside that's usually plastic and must be put into the proper
plastic bin as well. Finally, use the can compressor to crush the can and
put it into the metals bin (only 1 bin for this, fortunately). Because we
lived in the countryside, we could burn certain types of garbage, but in the
city, most systems don't allow this, so you had to put the burnable garbage
in a separate bin.

So you had: Compostables, burnable, non-burnable, metal, glass, and 3 or
4 different bins for different grades of plastic.

Say you buy a bento and a can of beer from 7-11. The plastic bag goes into
the bin for plastic bags - you can reuse or recylce those. The rubber band
on the bento box goes into the non-burnable bin. The plastic lid on the
bento goes into proper plastic bin. The metal tin the bento came in, and
the beer can go into metals. The chopsticks, their paper wrapper and any
napkins go into the burnable bin, and any food leftovers go into the
compostables bin. *pant pant pant* Simple, right?

OR...you could do what most normal Japanese people do - just shove it all
into a garbage bag, shove it into the "non-burnable" bin and walk away.
Most didn't even make an effort to deal with cans and bottles. They just
shoved it all into the non-burnable bin when no one was looking.

Taiwan's system isn't quite so complex...but I observed plenty of people
getting confused by which bin something was supposed to go into, and just
shoving everything into the "general" bin.

Bobby Clark

unread,
Oct 14, 2009, 3:16:22 PM10/14/09
to

"Doug Jacobs" <dja...@rawbw.com> wrote in message
news:WMqdnTJEE9MIkEvX...@posted.rawbandwidth...

> Jack Bohn <jack...@bright.net> wrote:
>> Robert Sneddon wrote:
>>
>>> I noticed that there seemed to be a lot of recycling "product
>>>placement" in Toradora! -- Ryuuji wears an apron labelled Eco and when
>>>we first meet him in ep. 1 he is singing a little ditty about Eco, Eco,
>>>Ecology. His highest praise for Taiga comes when he finds that she is
>>>finally sorting her trash into combustible and non-combustible bins.
>>
>> "combustible" bins?
>> Does not sound so eco-friendly...
>
> Oh yeah, I forgot about the "burnable" vs. "non burnable" garbage.
>
> I swear to properly process your garbage in Japan you needed about 9
> different bins, along with some specialized tools. When I lived in Japan
> in
> the student dorm, they gave us a demonstration of how to deal with our
> garbage. The example that convinced us of why Japan's recycling efforts
> have
> failed was dealing with an aerosol can.
>
> An aerosol can consists of 4 or 5(!) different pieces of garbage(!).
> First
> the cap goes into 1 of the bins for a certain type of plastic. Next you
> need to puncture the can to release any pressure inside.

I have recycling sissors that came from Japan with notches for putting a
hole in the can safely. I have never tried it, but if it were a paint can
it could be a very messy endevor. I do like to use them for getting into
those hard to open plastic packages.


Our system in the City of Dallas is great that way. You can just dump
almost anything that is recyclable into the bin or leave it in a blue
bag(city provided for free). I scrapped 23 8 year old Dells towers the
other day. About 90% of the computers went into the recyclable. We even
cut the center out of the fans and dumped the fan housing in. Only the
wires and circuit boards went to the tech reclcler. All the ABS, steel
screws and sheet metal went on to become another car or consumer product.
The sad thing is people sort it by hand at the center when they are not
dumping it in the land fill.

Bobby

ender

unread,
Oct 14, 2009, 4:40:03 PM10/14/09
to
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:42:45 -0500, Doug Jacobs wrote:

> Next you
> need to puncture the can to release any pressure inside.

Interesting, all such cans sold here come with "Do not burn or puncture the
can even when empty" warning.

> Taiwan's system isn't quite so complex...but I observed plenty of people
> getting confused by which bin something was supposed to go into, and just
> shoving everything into the "general" bin.

We've had bins for old paper and glass for years, then some time ago they
were joined by bins for plastic bottles and tins. These are separate from
normal trash bins, and are usually located on street corners. Recently, we
got bins for biodegradable stuff next to the general trash bins.

--
< ender ><><><><><><><>◊<><><><><><><>◊<><><><><><><>< e at ena dot si >

Because 10 billion years' time is so fragile, so ephemeral...
it arouses such a bittersweet, almost heartbreaking fondness.

0 new messages