[Bleach/CG:LotR/DN] 2008-Jul-13, -20 Quick Thoughts
Daryle Walker
_Code Geass: LeLouch of the Rebellion_ the premiered in the U.S. on
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Bleach
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#72 (7/13/08)
* How did the bottle caps go through the faucet?
* Umm, isn't Ichigo's solid body still in Uryuu's ((partially)
flooded) room?
#73 (7/20/08)
* Dolls are a strength and weakness
* Becoming unaging may not be great if you weren't at your prime years
when gaining your Bount-ness.
Code Geass: LeLouch of the Rebellion
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Stage 12: "The Messenger from Kyoto" (7/13/08)
* Kewell didn't survive Kallen's attack, although Jeremiah did (by
ejecting). However, Jeremiah was also listed among the dead. But
wasn't Jeremiah wandering around at the very end of the previous
episode? Did the truck guys kill and/or take Jeremiah to cover their
conspiracy?
* Is C.C. talking (remotely) to the new sunglasses dude?
* Now, enjoying yourself while looking at (pictures of) a hot girl
isn't necessarily a problem. But Nina's been skittish around Numbers,
and Euphemia was her saviour from her worst case scenario, so this
probably an unhealthy channeling of her appreciation.
* C.C. is cloaked.
* Shirley's entered a world of suck.
Stage 13: "Shirley at Gunpoint"
* New OP & ED remixes (#3); again with some new footage, but this time
also with new music
* Between the OP and the episode title card, which one was that audio
part of? (BTW, it had no closed captioning, so it was probably part
of the OP.)
* LeLouch & Kallen at the funeral: Awk-ward. It's different when it's
not a random red-shirt, isn't it? Suzaku was (openly) taking it the
worst, but if either he or Shirley realize LeLouch or Kallen's
roles....
* I guess Zero isn't going to mention murdering the "innocent" JLF
contingent to further his cause. But Diethard loves it.
* Did Suzaku have his external speaker on while ranting at Zero? Did
Shirley see enough around the helmet to recognize Zero?
* Millie get personal with Shirley in the ED.
More on CG:LotR
* Based on the classroom during Stage 12, and an look at Suzaku's
history book in an earlier episode (fun with DVRs), history may have
split with Elizabeth I. Here, she must have had a definitive heir,
and avoided the chaos over the Scotland/Wales/England isle for
succession when she died in our world. (What the name of that island,
anyway?) This led to technological progress and a bunch of Henrys and
Elizabeths for later monarch names. However a rebellion id later
erupt, but on the SWE island instead of the main North American
colonies. In fact, the monarch (temporarily?) relocated the seat of
power to the N.A. colonies during the rebellion.
* The voice actress for Cornelia: is this her first role as a major
antagonist?
On Death Note
* That series ended on July 6. It was neat. I didn't realize that it
was the last episode, so I thought Light would somehow get around his
rant at the end of the June 29 episode. Oops, Light should have
waited. But he went down from a stupid mistake from a partner. (And
I don't think Mikami's entry worked because Light beat him to it.)
* The first hint of the last episode repeated the first one of the
first episode. (The human whose name is in this notebook shall die.)
But the final hint of the final episode said that humans go to
nothingness (mu) after death. So why was there an earlier hint about
human note-users being banned from heaven and hell, when it applies to
all humans? No irony about Light becoming a shinigami, either.
* Didn't someone here proposed that Light discovering that regular
life is your one & only shot is what fueled his megalomania?
* At the end of the first ED, isn't that Misa on the outside TV? (And
she got to survive, possibly with a long life-span, but trying out her
neo-goth phase again.)
Daryle Walker
Rob Maxwell
"Daryle Walker" <dar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> SPOILERS for the 2008-Jul-13 and 2008-Jul-20 episodes of _Bleach_ and
> _Code Geass: LeLouch of the Rebellion_ the premiered in the U.S. on
> Cartoon Network, plus some final stuff on _Death Note_
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> * Based on the classroom during Stage 12, and an look at Suzaku's
> history book in an earlier episode (fun with DVRs), history may have
> split with Elizabeth I. Here, she must have had a definitive heir,
> and avoided the chaos over the Scotland/Wales/England isle for
> succession when she died in our world. (What the name of that island,
> anyway?)
Great Britian
This led to technological progress and a bunch of Henrys and
> Elizabeths for later monarch names. However a rebellion id later
> erupt, but on the SWE island instead of the main North American
> colonies. In fact, the monarch (temporarily?) relocated the seat of
> power to the N.A. colonies during the rebellion.
No, the keyword is "Trafalgar". That was a naval battle in which England
crushed the combined French and Spanish fleet without the loss of a ship.
This in turn ended Napoleon's hope of invading England and ending the
British blockade and dominance of the New World colonies.
Obviously, Napoleon succeeded in the "CG" world, and the monarchy fled to
America, which apparently did not rebel in the late 18th century. Further,
the French apparently had no better luck invading America than our British.
-Rob
8-Bit Star
> More on CG:LotR
Heh, when I saw this line I was like "Wait, are we talking
about Lord of the Rings?"
Damn caffeine.
DBBrandell
> SPOILERS for the 2008-Jul-13 and 2008-Jul-20 episodes of _Bleach_ and
> _Code Geass: LeLouch of the Rebellion_ the premiered in the U.S. on
> Cartoon Network, plus some final stuff on _Death Note_
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> * The voice actress for Cornelia: is this her first role as a major
> antagonist?
Mary Elizabeth McGlynn. Depends on what you mean by antagonist. If you
mean villain, maybe this is a first for her. But she played Motoko
Kusanagi in the Ghost in the Shell TV series and two of the movies, so
that's a lead role. ANN's encyclopedia says she had a part, maybe a
small one, in Naruto, doing "Orochimaru (as Grass Ninja)". I don't
follow Naruto, so I don't know if that would mean anything.
DBB
Massimo Sabbadini
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>"Daryle Walker" <dar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> SPOILERS for the 2008-Jul-13 and 2008-Jul-20 episodes of _Bleach_ and
>> _Code Geass: LeLouch of the Rebellion_ the premiered in the U.S. on
>> Cartoon Network, plus some final stuff on _Death Note_
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>No, the keyword is "Trafalgar". That was a naval battle in which England
>crushed the combined French and Spanish fleet without the loss of a ship.
>This in turn ended Napoleon's hope of invading England and ending the
>British blockade and dominance of the New World colonies.
>
>Obviously, Napoleon succeeded in the "CG" world, and the monarchy fled to
>America, which apparently did not rebel in the late 18th century. Further,
>the French apparently had no better luck invading America than our British.
>
This is from an official source, the Code Geass History Lessons.
It's quite amusing.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lelouch: ~~o/`
C.C.: You sure are in a good mood, to be humming like that.
Lelouch: !!!! --I didn't realize you were here, C.C..
C.C.: Why are you so flustered? ...Hmm? What's that?
Lelouch: Don't look. It's none of your business.
C.C.: Shut up. ...Let's see, "You are to attempt to state, in 1200
words, the reason Washington's rebellion, after having broken out in
Colonial America in 1770 a.t.b., ended in failure." ...Is this
schoolwork? But if it is, the fact that you're the one coming up with
the questions is rather strange...
Lelouch: It's for Suzaku's extra tutoring session. --Now leave me
alone!
C.C.: Washington's rebellion, eh... Brings back memories. It obviously
failed because Ben betrayed the Continental Congress.
Lelouch: Ben?
C.C.: Ah, sorry. Slipped of the tongue. I meant Benjamin Franklin.
Lelouch: The "Father of Electricity", eh. If that's who you mean then
call him Earl Franklin like the rest of us. --It's certainly true that
he went to Louis XVI of France to request support for the
independence, but ended up with nothing to show for it. Still, you
can't possibly call that the reason for the defeat?
C.C.: No, Louis intended to help, in his own way. However, once at
France, Ben ran into a Britannian royal. There, enticed by the title
of Earl and a share of the Colonial America land, he succumbed. After
all, Ben was a kind man who loved research more than battles... much
too kind, really. --Had Ben gone to ask for support from Louis, Louis
would have dispatched his troops and the Continental Army might not
have suffered its humiliating defeat in Yorktown. George-- I mean
Washington, might not have died there either, and America might have
avoided further colonization...
Lelouch: A Britannian royal was involved!? --But this isn't written in
any of the historical records!!
C.C.: It's still the truth.
Lelouch: ...Don't say it as though you saw it yourself. --Wait, could
it be...!?
C.C.: I'm C.C., after all. I know everything. ...Yes, for example, I
also know what you were humming just now.
Lelouch: -------!!!!
C.C.: Was it 8 years ago? It was shown on Sunday mornings in Japan,
the *Tokusatsu show--
(*T/N: Kamen Rider etc. Kind of like Power Rangers. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokusatsu. Lelouch likes Tokusatsu shows.
Explains his Zero outfit, I suppose.)
Lelouch: I-I believe you, so shut up! ...geez, this woman...!
C.C.: You've got a ways to go, Lelouch. You need, let's see, another
1000 years to keep up with me.
Lelouch: ................Is that a metaphor?
C.C.: Fufu. --Who knows?
--
Massimo "Gohan" Sabbadini
Email: gohan(at)megane.it
"Tibi, magnum Innominandum, signa stellarum nigrarum
et bufaniformis Sadoquae sigilim" (De Vermis Mysteriis)
EJH
> ====================================
>
> Stage 12: "The Messenger from Kyoto" (7/13/08)
>
> * Kewell didn't survive Kallen's attack, although Jeremiah did (by
> ejecting). However, Jeremiah was also listed among the dead. But
> wasn't Jeremiah wandering around at the very end of the previous
> episode? Did the truck guys kill and/or take Jeremiah to cover their
> conspiracy?
>
Jeremiah fled and allowed himself to be presumed dead, rather
than face further disgrace. He reappears later (maybe not until
the second season).
> * Is C.C. talking (remotely) to the new sunglasses dude?
I'm not sure we have seen who CC is talking to yet.
>
> * Now, enjoying yourself while looking at (pictures of) a hot girl
> isn't necessarily a problem. But Nina's been skittish around Numbers,
> and Euphemia was her saviour from her worst case scenario, so this
> probably an unhealthy channeling of her appreciation.
>
Again the boundaries of what they can get away with on TV are
pushed...
> * C.C. is cloaked.
>
> * Shirley's entered a world of suck.
>
She becomes clerly a tragic character from this point. Granted, the
first
presumed love interest will not win out in the end, but it's
surprising she
gets sent down this dark road so fast.
The backstory takes more than the usual liberties with suspension of
disbelief. To begin with, yes, Elizabeth I had a child, who was
recognized
as heir...but was openly illegitimate, with three candidates for
paternity, and
she did not marry. I have to imagine there was a civil war to get the
kid on the throne - in real history the reason Liz had no children,
and didn't marry, was because she couldn't without giving up England's
independence - it would have become part of someone else's holdings,
Hapsburg or whatever. This wouldn't necessarily have been permanent,
nations were in flux in those days, it was all about inheritance and
royal houses. But Liz would have had to give up being
the real power in England.
If we can somehow get a decendant of Liz 1 on the throne, though, we
are clear to create a line that leads to Liz 3. Somehow the resot of
European
istory isn't butterflied to unrecognizability, Napoleon does better
against England,
to the point where Liz 3 is deposed and flees to North America to be
Queen
of a "Britannian Empire" that somehow never regains its original
islands while
becoming the foremost superpower in the world...
> * The voice actress for Cornelia: is this her first role as a major
> antagonist?
>
Mary McGlynn is one of the mainstays of the usual wrecking crew that
shows up nearly everywhere in anime these days. I'm ' sure we can find
an antagonist role of hers from the past few years if we look...
EJH
Dale Friesen
> SPOILERS for the 2008-Jul-13 and 2008-Jul-20 episodes of _Bleach_ and
> _Code Geass: LeLouch of the Rebellion_ the premiered in the U.S. on
> Cartoon Network, plus some final stuff on _Death Note_
>
> 1
> 2
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> [Let's skip most of the episodes I haven't reported from the past 3
> months]
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> Bleach
> ======
>
> #72 (7/13/08)
>
> * Umm, isn't Ichigo's solid body still in Uryuu's ((partially)
> flooded) room?
In the original (in Japanese) there was a segment after the credits
mentioning that Ichigo's unconscious body had been found in the
hospital, and showing some reactions to the news.
--
Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of Bolen Books.
Dale Friesen, Sysadmin
Bolen Books, Inc Victoria, BC Canada
da...@bolen.bc.ca http://www.bolen.bc.ca
Daryle Walker
> Daryle Walker wrote:
[SNIP]
> > * The voice actress for Cornelia: is this her first role as a major
> > antagonist?
>
> Mary Elizabeth McGlynn. Depends on what you mean by antagonist. If you
> mean villain, maybe this is a first for her. But she played Motoko
> Kusanagi in the Ghost in the Shell TV series and two of the movies, so
> that's a lead role. ANN's encyclopedia says she had a part, maybe a
> small one, in Naruto, doing "Orochimaru (as Grass Ninja)". I don't
> follow Naruto, so I don't know if that would mean anything.
Protagonist: main character(s), usually the good guys
Antagonist: counters the protagonist (i.e. a "bad" guy)
McGlynn's character in GitS saga is the main one, so that's a
protagonist. She voiced the scientist lady on Blood+, a minor
protagonist. And she's done minor/bit work on Naruto on both sides.
(The Grass Ninja that Orochimaru imitated would be a minor antagonist;
who goes up to top-level antagonist after we know it's Orochimaru
[usually voiced by someone else]. But I think McGlynn voices the
"Kurenai" character, who's a minor protagonist.)
Daryle Walker
Daryle Walker
Good? Bad? Funny? Some sort of mix? (Details, sir/ma'am!)
Daryle Walker
Daryle Walker
> > Code Geass: LeLouch of the Rebellion
> > ====================================
>
> > Stage 12: "The Messenger from Kyoto" (7/13/08)
>
> > * Is C.C. talking (remotely) to the new sunglasses dude?
>
> I'm not sure we have seen who CC is talking to yet.
More episodes have passed since I've last been here, and that dude
(Mao) has come and gone (maybe?). He does have the ability to find
out stuff remotely, without hearing, but it doesn't work on C.C.! So
we still don't know, unless she talks to herself.
> > * Now, enjoying yourself while looking at (pictures of) a hot girl
> > isn't necessarily a problem. But Nina's been skittish around Numbers,
> > and Euphemia was her savior from her worst case scenario, so this
> > probably an unhealthy channeling of her appreciation.
>
> Again the boundaries of what they can get away with on TV are
> pushed...
Did the checking guys just miss it? Especially since she went to,
um..., completion. -_^ Hopefully, Nina did any necessary clean up.
(Don't mess around with the blind girl's house.)
> > * C.C. is cloaked.
>
> > * Shirley's entered a world of suck.
>
> She becomes clearly a tragic character from this point. Granted, the
> first
> presumed love interest will not win out in the end, but it's
> surprising she
> gets sent down this dark road so fast.
[SNIP episode #13 review]
Then Shirley finds out something big, and LeLouch shafts her big time
(metaphorically, you pervs) to counter it. LeLouch smooths out the
difficulties that would create in school, but I think it's about to
crumble.
> > More on CG:LotR
>
> > * Based on the classroom during Stage 12, and an look at Suzaku's
> > history book in an earlier episode (fun with DVRs), history may have
> > split with Elizabeth I. Here, she must have had a definitive heir,
> > and avoided the chaos over the Scotland/Wales/England isle for
> > succession when she died in our world. (What the name of that island,
> > anyway?) This led to technological progress and a bunch of Henrys and
> > Elizabeths for later monarch names. However a rebellion did later
> > erupt, but on the SWE island instead of the main North American
> > colonies. In fact, the monarch (temporarily?) relocated the seat of
> > power to the N.A. colonies during the rebellion.
>
> The back story takes more than the usual liberties with suspension of
> disbelief. To begin with, yes, Elizabeth I had a child, who was
> recognized
> as heir...but was openly illegitimate, with three candidates for
> paternity, and
> she did not marry. I have to imagine there was a civil war to get the
> kid on the throne - in real history the reason Liz had no children,
> and didn't marry, was because she couldn't without giving up England's
> independence - it would have become part of someone else's holdings,
> Hapsburg or whatever. This wouldn't necessarily have been permanent,
> nations were in flux in those days, it was all about inheritance and
> royal houses. But Liz would have had to give up being
> the real power in England.
>
> If we can somehow get a descendant of Liz 1 on the throne, though, we
> are clear to create a line that leads to Liz 3. Somehow the rest of
> European
> history isn't butterflied to unrecognizability, Napoleon does better
> against England,
> to the point where Liz 3 is deposed and flees to North America to be
> Queen
> of a "Britannian Empire" that somehow never regains its original
> islands while
> becoming the foremost superpower in the world...
[TRUNCATE]
There was a post by Massimo Sabbadini that went into what possibly
happened in North America. I was originally going to say that
Elizabeth I had a child, but I changed it to heir to be more generic.
That way I wouldn't have to worry about illegitimate kids or how Liz
made sure she stays in charge. (Why was that a problem then? Now,
the real Liz 2 is married with children. The queen's husband can't
rule because in-laws never qualify[1]. The double-standard is still
in place because the queen's husband can't be more than a prince or
consort, and not a king.) The only qualification is that Liz 1 made
clear who her successor would be before death, and hopefully any wars
of succession that happened here were skipped there.
Maybe it went like:
It seems although England had better/faster technological progress
than the real world version, it didn't greatly out-tech other
countries, like France. This let Napoleon still win with luck and/or
better tactics. Before that, there was still internal strife in
England's main North American colonies. Hostilities broke out, but
were quickly quashed. An emissary of the rebellion failed to meet
with Louis XVI in a way that led to France giving support, so the
rebellion fizzled out after its military commander got killed. (There
are rumors that the meeting didn't fall through, but was canceled
because the emissary was bribed.) England, with Parliament and/or the
monarch pissed about the colonists' annoyances, appointed a noble to
be an special administrator, a master over all the royal governors
there to help them show the colonists who's boss. This person gets
the title of Lord/Lady Britannia; where Britannia is the new name for
the merged colonies, both England's originals and the northern ones
taken from France. To deal with the communication lag from North
America to England, Lord Britannia has broad powers and extra military
to carry out independent action. Britannia either soothes or quashes
further discontent and proceeds the strengthen the colonies, to send
more/better stuff to England and to defend against external attack.
In our world, the American Revolution eventually inspires the French
one, and leads to Napoleon. In this world, either the French
Revolution happened anyway, or Napoleon took over differently.
Napoleon somehow wins and takes over the Great Britain isle. The
British Empire continues, now with the queen headquartered in the
North American colonies. Fortunately, Lord Britannia's updates to the
colonies both prevent France from continuing the fight and allow the
British empire to have enough resources at (a new) home to continue.
Maybe Britannia takes over the Louisiana area, or maybe Napoleon still
sold it for money. (Lord Britannia could explain it to the main
government that the purchase ensures security since France loses its
North American hold. Of course, it helped pay for the eventual loss
of the main isle, oops.)
Eventually, the rampant colonization that happens in our world happens
there too, but accelerated with their (slightly) better technology.
Daryle Walker
[1] Actually, the real Prince Phillip is a distant relative and
qualifies independently. I think he's around 100th in line.
Wikipedia has the full list, including and excluding (the default)
Catholics. Of course, _that_ causes problems with countries that
share the English monarch, but have anti-discriminatory rules....
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