A lot of anime fans are nice guys, but there are many who
are needlessly aggressive, hostile. Prone to attack without
provocation, and fixed with a holier-than-thou attitude that
makes them think that watching cartoons somehow
ENTITLES them to being an asshole. I'm not talking about
any one person here, since I've met hundreds of this
stripe.
However, there are some types of fans who are, to put
it simply: lamer than lame, madder than mad, dumber
than dumb, ready to hold anime back with their bull-head
throngs.
In my opinion, the following are the worst. If you can name
more, please add to the list:
THE BLOODLUSTER -- This is the kind of anime fan who
thinks all anime should be full of sex and violence, and will
viciously denounce shows like Pokemon and Hello Kitty
as being "kiddy crap" and "not real anime," then gleefully
turn around and suggest watching any anime on his huge
list of "look at this blood and boobies stuff!" type anime.
Never do they consider that maybe, just maybe, there is
nothing inherently wrong with kid-friendly anime, or that
being bloody and sexed-up doesn't necessarily make a
show good.
THE HONG-KONG PIRATER -- Now, anime Piracy in all
its forms is an amoral practice, but undoubtebly the worst
is buying Hong Kong bootlegs. Stealing is one thing, but
this puts money in the hands of criminal organizations who
will use that funding for worse things. And yet, anime fans
who pirate HK will be blissfully blind to this. Despite all
the proof that the entire social, industrial, and political
structure of Hong Kong is backed by criminal organizations
like the Triads, people who buy HK will somehow convince
themselves that the portion which supplies anime is untainted
and innocent, an angelic being in Hell. Even if Anime
International came and filmed a child porn video in their
front yard, and it made national news, and they sent the
Pirater a free tape of it afterwards, the pirater will STILL believe
that he's committing no sin in buying HK DVDs.
If pressed, the HK Pirater might say "all that evidence is
fabricated" or "so what? America and Japan are just as bad!"
Resorting to cynicism is typical--the root of all cynicism is a
need to justify crimes and mistakes and absolve one's own
blame.
THE TALKER -- Now this one isn't so bad, I mean we were
all like this once. The Talker is the kid of the group, the guy
who was just introduced to anime and thinks its SO GREAT,
and he tells his friends about it EVERY DAY, whether they're
listening or not. The poor fool isn't aware that in going on
about it he's making everyone around him LESS interested
and getting himself painted as a geek in the process. Even
if he is aware, by golly he can't help himself. His glass
runneth over with enthusiasm!
That's all for now, can anyone think of more?
>Anime is a niche medium in America, and we can brandy
>around reasons for this, but I think someone has to say
>that ultimately, the fault comes down to the fans.
As Relic says: you mean bandai.
Second: I'm not sure obnoxious fans will keep "regular" people
away from something they really want to see. Take Star Wars and
Star Trek. Both bywords for the Worst Kinds of fans, but the
first still did blockbuster boxoffice, and the second supported a
"fifth network" for eleven years. (Yes, canceled now, but I
think by then we can say it failed my "really want to see"
clause.)
(Hhmm... not a Worst Kind of Fan, but how about CAUGHT COSPLAYING
- Not trying to be "out" about it, they think they're among
friends in the hotel or the ticket line for the Star Wars movie,
but here comes the local news camera. Oh! How embarrassing!)
As you say, it's a niche. As something made in a foreign
culture, it's always going to be crowded out by native species.
--
-Jack
Bandy. Brandy's a drink (or a fine girl, what a good wife she would be).
>
> That's all for now, can anyone think of more?
Paging Starcade on line 1...
--
Sea Wasp
/^\
;;;
Live Journal: http://seawasp.livejournal.com
> Anime is a niche medium in America, and we can brandy
> around reasons for this, but I think someone has to say
> that ultimately, the fault comes down to the fans.
You had to sleep on the couch last night, didn't you? ;^D
Still, as a fellow 'bloodluster', I am curious about how many series and
OVAs *don't* use tentacle rape or whiny female characters to attract
viewers.
I enjoyed Mr. Manabe's 'Visionaries' and thought 'Wicked City' was okay but
hardly groundbreaking.
I await your recommendations with soda bottle in hand.
Signed
Warewolf
who can think up some 'entertaining wishes' for a certain (female) genie.
Mecha anyone? Mecha?
As one of them, or to come up with more...
THE THIEF: Too easy.
THE NARUTOTARD: Basically only likes what they can get for free --
can grow into "Thief" class, but basically is limited to Shonen Jump
at this point. Probably squicks at Death Note.
THE OSTRICH: Can't see what's going on in front of them to save their
lives. Probably still thinks that dub of that series that has never
seen American TV will still sell. Common problem among industry
types.
Mike
Of which we have at least four on here - Giles, Rob, Dave, and Galen. All
of which have been very helpful, at least for me. More, if you think
bloggers should count (at least Laurie anyway). So, sorry, but I gotta hit
the buzzer on this one.
> 8-Bit Star wrote:
>
>
>>That's all for now, can anyone think of more?
>
> The encyclopedist.
The CN Blogger (illegitimate love child of the Talker and the Narutard) -
Who sees all anime discussions as discussions of their ONE favorite
big-ratings hit on Adult Swim...Even to the point of posting daily
non-stop inscrutable in-reference headers without context, as if
believing they're "continuing" everyone else's discussion.
Derek Janssen (assumes the near-extinct Scroll-Head can be filed under
the "Bloodluster", but wonders where to place the theatrical-worshipping
Ebert Zombie...)
eja...@verizon.net
> If you're actually going to avoid Hong Kong bootlegs because the money
> goes to crime, remember that this doesn't depend on them being bootlegs.
> Legitimate products are tied up in crime and fund criminals too. For
> instance, it's well known that the Hong Kong movie industry has connections
> to the Triad gangsters. Buying a *real* Hong Kong DVD of a Hong Kong movie
> funds criminals. Should we avoid that?
Speaking only for myself, I don't own ANY Chinese or HK
movies, so I don't see much of a problem with just not buying
them (or if you must, buy them used).
Brandy, bandy, ball-point banany... what's the difference?
>Anime is a niche medium in America, and we can brandy
>around reasons for this, but I think someone has to say
>that ultimately, the fault comes down to the fans.
>
>A lot of anime fans are nice guys, but there are many who
>are needlessly aggressive, hostile. Prone to attack without
>provocation, and fixed with a holier-than-thou attitude that
>makes them think that watching cartoons somehow
>ENTITLES them to being an asshole. I'm not talking about
>any one person here, since I've met hundreds of this
>stripe.
>
>However, there are some types of fans who are, to put
>it simply: lamer than lame, madder than mad, dumber
>than dumb, ready to hold anime back with their bull-head
>throngs.
>
>In my opinion, the following are the worst. If you can name
>more, please add to the list:
>
>
>THE HONG-KONG PIRATER -- Now, anime Piracy in all
>its forms is an amoral practice, but undoubtebly the worst
>is buying Hong Kong bootlegs. Stealing is one thing, but
>this puts money in the hands of criminal organizations who
>will use that funding for worse things. And yet, anime fans
>who pirate HK will be blissfully blind to this. Despite all
>the proof that the entire social, industrial, and political
>structure of Hong Kong is backed by criminal organizations
>like the Triads, people who buy HK will somehow convince
>themselves that the portion which supplies anime is untainted
>and innocent, an angelic being in Hell. Even if Anime
>International came and filmed a child porn video in their
>front yard, and it made national news, and they sent the
>Pirater a free tape of it afterwards, the pirater will STILL believe
>that he's committing no sin in buying HK DVDs.
>
I think all the HK stuff I bought came from anime stores, back before
I knew enough to realize it wasn't legit, I thought it was just
another repackaging operation like ADV or CPM, just located in Hong
Kong. I mean Hell, ADV is in Houston, the slime pit of the Universe.
(Well, at least that's how those of us in the DFW area see it.)
Even the local comic shops and such carried SM soundtrack CDs which
used to be about the only thing available.
_______________________________
Anyone who thinks evil mutants
are only in comic books hasn't
raised any children.
One you drink, one you talk about, and presumably the last drives
home the point (I really don't know what the banany is (sheepishly ^_^).
> Speaking only for myself, I don't own ANY Chinese or HK
> movies, so I don't see much of a problem with just not buying
> them (or if you must, buy them used).
But what about "made in china" products, for example an iPoo?
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it arouses such a bittersweet, almost heartbreaking fondness.
Brandy, bandy, Belldandy!
Now we're gettin' somewhere
--
-Jack
(who actually only knows her from the Adventures of the
Mini-Goddess, but still...)
>
> I think all the HK stuff I bought came from anime stores, back before
> I knew enough to realize it wasn't legit, I thought it was just
> another repackaging operation like ADV or CPM, just located in Hong
> Kong. I mean Hell, ADV is in Houston, the slime pit of the Universe.
> (Well, at least that's how those of us in the DFW area see it.)
>
> Even the local comic shops and such carried SM soundtrack CDs which
> used to be about the only thing available.
>
Yeah, what ever happened to SM and Ever Anime after
Taiwan joined WTO and Japan finally cracked down on it?
(And CDs are so passe now; it's all about MP3 players.)
Laters. =)
STan
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> Aje RavenStar wrote:
>
> >
> >"Arne Luft" <ne...@yhsg3.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:evmc04lqu7tpa4nl6...@4ax.com...
> >> 8-Bit Star wrote:
> >>
> >>>That's all for now, can anyone think of more?
> >>
> >> The encyclopedist.
> >
> >Of which we have at least four on here - Giles, Rob, Dave, and Galen.
>
> They are not the type, I meant. They still have much enthusiasm, and
> they are really a help for the others.
>
> I had in mind the guy, who has seen way too many animes, that he acts
> like a dried cod and talks only about the cross-references, he sees.
> He has much knowledge, but he misses the main thing, and kills the
> fun.
>
Comic Book Guy (The Simpsons)?
Laters. =)
Stan
Sounds like a song to me Fee Fi Foe Fana!
Inu-Yasha
Feh!! ^_^
> On Apr 16, 12:12 pm, Warewolf <warewolfmypa...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> Still, as a fellow 'bloodluster', I am curious about how many series
>> and OVAs *don't* use tentacle rape or whiny female characters to
>> attract viewers.
>
> Mecha anyone? Mecha?
True enough. ^_^
But how many of those, aside from Gundam W(ing), would be considered
fitting for the prime-time or late-night blocks in Canada and/or the US?
Signed,
Warewolf
who almost considered posting a Transformers 'romance/lime'
scriptlet...before giving his head a shake. ^_^;
I wouldn't agree with but drinking is always nice. The biggest reason
is that it's not seen as something for adults. I've talked to various
people over the years that either don't know about anime or don't
watch it and to a person they all seem to think it's cartoons. So
there's an in-built assumption that it's for kids and so people won't
even check it out in that case. Not even when they can do it for free
on something like Cartoon Network. That stigma doesn't exist, or at
least isn't as prevalent in Japan where they have made anime a large
part of their TV/film industry for decades. Until you can overcome
that problem anime will always be somewhat of a niche. How large it
could be if the stigma is overcome is up for discussion. I certainly
don't claim to know, though you might use Japan as a basis for
discussion.
The thing is, the majority of anime is also for kids. People in Japan also
largely figure anime (that isn't made by Miyazaki) is either for kids or
perverts. Manga's more popular by a wide margin there, and covers a lot more
ground genre-wise.
Lots of people also do not like anime because of its common tropes, ranging
from the fetishisation of underage women to its predilicition for very long,
intricate (some complain indecipherable) plotlines.
The thing is, anime's popularity is partially due to the same things that
will prevent it from being more mainstream than it is.
-
Blade
Funny how things just change so quickly lately. Kinda miss the days
when we did have those inferior copies get sold like it was nothing.
I wonder if we can draw parallels between Scroll-heads and Matrix
worshippers.
And there isn't any anime that I can't rhyme!
--
Christopher Mattern
NOTICE
Thank you for noticing this new notice
Your noticing it has been noted
And will be reported to the authorities
Usually when the tentacles show up, the schoolgirl in question isn't
exactly in a position to turn them down, ne?
Depends on who you ask.
cu
59cobalt
--
"My surname is Li and my personal name is Kao, and there is a slight
flaw in my character."
--Li Kao (Barry Hughart: Bridge of Birds)
> And tentacle rape is fitting for prime time?
Considering the current quality of the Simpsons and Family Guy (if not a
certain 'Unamerican Dud') it wouldn't surprise me. 9_9
Signed,
Warewolf
who can only imagine the number of fanfics where Meg Griffin succeeds at
something...or kills her father. ^_^
Unless you're talking about Matrix worshippers who first saw it because
it was the only DVD Blockbuster had on their shelves, seven years ago.
Derek Janssen (all three share the same condition of Blockbuster being
the root of all evil)
eja...@verizon.net
>>> Derek Janssen (assumes the near-extinct Scroll-Head can be filed
>>> under the "Bloodluster", but wonders where to place the
>>> theatrical-worshipping Ebert Zombie...)
>>> eja...@verizon.net
>>
>> I wonder if we can draw parallels between Scroll-heads and Matrix
>> worshippers.
>
> Unless you're talking about Matrix worshippers who first saw it
> because it was the only DVD Blockbuster had on their shelves, seven
> years ago.
Still not sure that's a justification - hell, it might make the analogy more
apt.
> Derek Janssen (all three share the same condition of Blockbuster being
> the root of all evil)
There's a Master's Thesis somewhere in there...
You know it is--Remember when, if you saw an anime DVD on mainstream BB
shelves, there was a 98% chance of it being an icky old Manga or CPM title?
Derek Janssen (they were the Streamlines of the birth-of-DVD)
eja...@verizon.net
And I make no excuse for buying it. Some things you just have to face down
and take your medicine.
> Lots of people also do not like anime because of its common tropes, ranging
> from the fetishisation of underage women to its predilicition for very long,
> intricate (some complain indecipherable) plotlines.
At least, that's true about the stuff that WE get. But even that,
ultimately, comes back to the fans. I mean in Japan, there's a
wide variety of stuff, much of whcih I'm willing to bet doesn't
fit that description at all.
The anime industry is a bit like the comic book industry. Ten
people say "we want superheroes, and add some sex and
violence!" and DC Comics or whoever says "here ya go!"
Then a hundred people say "I would like these comic things
more if they weren't so violent and sexed-up" and DC Comics
says "then you're not our target audience."
If they translated a greater variety, they'd have more fans.
Someone else mentioned the preconception that anime is
cartoons. Personally I say that's only a bad thing because
the industry is so hell-bent on trying to act like Anime ISN'T
cartoons. It IS, and they should play that up for all its
worth. Complete the job begun by Ralph Bakshi and Carl
Macek and get people used to the idea that cartoons don't
have to be dumbed-down. It might not make Anime more
popular, but it could lead to the betterment of America's own
output. The worst that could happen is that nothing changes.
Manga and comic books are in the same section at most
book stores, and so far that's worked out very well, so it
follows to reason it would work well for animated stuff too.
Shorties, for now...
ANTI-AMERICAN ANIME PARTISAN (If it isn't anime, it's crap!)
OFF-TOPIC USE-NUTTER (You know who you are! -- especially if you
aren't telling rec.arts.animation about your on-topic stuff)
Terrence Briggs, smacking folks upside the head with his
rec.arts.animation welcome mat.
Peace to you...