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Ken from Chicago

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Dec 25, 2008, 5:14:44 AM12/25/08
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"Goro" <eviln...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.apple.com/trailers/focus_features/9/hd/
>
> I just saw this trailer and was blown away. WOW. This looks serious
> and well-done; i'm kinda psyched about this one. It's like the best
> parts of a video game cut-scene and the best parts of an animated
> storytelling film.
>
> and THIS is the Shane Acker short that the film is based on.
>
> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1jl41_9-nine-shane-acker-short-animation_creation
>
> -goro-
>
>

What makes this "serious"?

-- Ken from Chicago


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Mike Donovan

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Dec 27, 2008, 4:32:16 PM12/27/08
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I came to this discussion late, but I absolutely LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, the
original Heay Metal. If only because it's the only time I know of
when John Candy got to play the action hero. The only things I don't
like about it are that I didn't get to see it in the theater, that it
comes to an end leaving me wanting more, and that Heay Metal 2000 was
a bit of a disappointment. I also liked Titan AE, but apparently alot
of people didn't. I only saw it all the way throug once, in the
theater, but I remember it fondly. More fondly than Heay Metal 2000.

Ken from Chicago

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Dec 27, 2008, 6:38:10 PM12/27/08
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"Mike Donovan" <donovan...@aol.com> wrote in message
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A handgun destroys a spaceship--with one shot?

Earth lost to THAT?!?

-- Ken from Chicago


Patrick McNamara

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Dec 29, 2008, 12:02:40 AM12/29/08
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"Mike Donovan" <donovan...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Heavy Metal was made as a showcase of animation but didn't really have much
of an overall story. Heavy Metal 2000 was an attempt to tell a story and was
a completely different film than the first. I saw Heavy Metal a good deal
later after it was made and in some ways preferred HM2K, probably because it
was easier to follow. And the computer game was fairly good.

There's a few good classics of animation around like Strange Planet and
Starchaser: Legend of Orin which got a lot of exposure because of HM. HM2K
actually looks more like a sequel to Starchaser than HM, although Starchaser
was very heavily influenced by Star Wars. (There's also a lot of good
animated shorts from the period which appear every now and then but can be
really difficult to find if you don't know the name or the creator.)

Titan AE was good but too influenced by the factory formula of animation at
the time, although still smarter than anything Disney would have done.
Regardless of how one felt about it, one has to admit that it had one of the
best climaxes to an animated film.

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Chris Sobieniak

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Dec 29, 2008, 2:14:14 PM12/29/08
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On Dec 27, 4:32 pm, Mike Donovan <donovanmedie...@aol.com> wrote:
> I came to this discussion late, but I absolutely LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, the
> original Heay Metal.  If only because it's the only time I know of
> when John Candy got to play the action hero.

Apart from playing a character who's original appearance in the
magazine depicts him as being well-endowed, far too much to keep the
film's R-rating so they gave him a loincloth to stay kosher. :-)

The only things I don't
> like about it are that I didn't get to see it in the theater, that it
> comes to an end leaving me wanting more, and that Heay Metal 2000 was
> a bit of a disappointment.  I also liked Titan AE, but apparently alot
> of people didn't.  I only saw it all the way throug once, in the
> theater, but I remember it fondly.  More fondly than Heay Metal 2000.

I saw Titan AE as well, but I felt the writing needed improvement.

Chris Sobieniak

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Dec 29, 2008, 2:33:58 PM12/29/08
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On Dec 29, 12:02 am, "Patrick McNamara" <writerpatr...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> "Mike Donovan" <donovanmedie...@aol.com> wrote in message

>
> news:056e1e54-3ade-49ce...@n10g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I came to this discussion late, but I absolutely LOVE, LOVE, LOVE, the
> > original Heay Metal.  If only because it's the only time I know of
> > when John Candy got to play the action hero.  The only things I don't
> > like about it are that I didn't get to see it in the theater, that it
> > comes to an end leaving me wanting more, and that Heay Metal 2000 was
> > a bit of a disappointment.  I also liked Titan AE, but apparently alot
> > of people didn't.  I only saw it all the way throug once, in the
> > theater, but I remember it fondly.  More fondly than Heay Metal 2000.
>
> Heavy Metal was made as a showcase of animation but didn't really have much
> of an overall story.

How I viewed it as well. For it's time, it was quite an unusual,
provocative but intriguing look at an art form most may not have
thought the medium was capable of.

Heavy Metal 2000 was an attempt to tell a story and was
> a completely different film than the first. I saw Heavy Metal a good deal
> later after it was made and in some ways preferred HM2K, probably because it
> was easier to follow. And the computer game was fairly good.

Heh, for someone like me who saw the first film before, I enjoyed that
film more than what might come out of HM2K, though I haven't seen that
one yet.

> There's a few good classics of animation around like Strange Planet and
> Starchaser: Legend of Orin which got a lot of exposure because of HM.

You mean "Fantastic Planet"? That film was around long before HM, and
was a common midnight cult classic at many cinemas prior to HM's
release.

HM2K
> actually looks more like a sequel to Starchaser than HM, although Starchaser
> was very heavily influenced by Star Wars. (There's also a lot of good
> animated shorts from the period which appear every now and then but can be
> really difficult to find if you don't know the name or the creator.)

Someone stuck all of Starchaser up on YouTube, so no one should have
an excuse to miss it now! Strangely, I first heard of this film some
23-24 years ago, as it got mentioned in a special on computer
animation, mentioning it's use of computer-plotted vector graphics for
the ships' animation in the film. It's release in '85 came during a
brief 3-D craze of sorts that occurred, making this reportedly the
first animated feature to be in 3-D for it's release. It's home video
releases though would be in the usual normal pan & scan release with
the exception of a Japanese VHD issue that used a type of 3D glasses
system for it's separation (and where those pirated copies on DVD have
came from). I only wish i got to see it in 3D personally as a
hyperactive 7 year old when this was on the big screen.

> Titan AE was good but too influenced by the factory formula of animation at
> the time, although still smarter than anything Disney would have done.
> Regardless of how one felt about it, one has to admit that it had one of the
> best climaxes to an animated film.

I still felt the writing needed some work personally, but I don't feel
like going into what I'm talking about since I got off a complete
idiot explaining why (anime has done that to me). :-)

Robert Martinu

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Dec 30, 2008, 1:19:03 PM12/30/08
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Patrick McNamara schrieb:

> Titan AE was good but too influenced by the factory formula of animation
> at the time, although still smarter than anything Disney would have
> done. Regardless of how one felt about it, one has to admit that it had
> one of the best climaxes to an animated film.

The climax was to close to Memories:Magnetic rose, at least visually.
At least you can't say they copied the story :)

Robert

Mike Donovan

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Jan 5, 2009, 1:01:20 PM1/5/09
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> Heavy Metal was made as a showcase of animation but didn't really have much
> of an overall story.

That's one of the things I love about it. I often enjoy watching
showcases of different animators, whether sf or not. I think this
probably goes back to afternoons watching Warner Brothers, MGM, & a
few Disney shorts on TV. Also, during 1st, 2nd, & 3rd grade, the best
thing that ever happened while sitting in class was when we got to
watch short films or filmstrips. Later, at the schools I went to for
4th & 5th grade, every Friday afternoon, the kids who had been good
all week were treated to a series of films, some of them animated.

However, it does have a central frame story: the demonic orb, the Loc
Nar is telling a little girl of its path of past and future
destruction throughout the galaxy. It turns out, at the end, this
little girl is destined to destroy the Loc Nar in the future.

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