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Alan Macmillan ( Eng )
Jul 8, 2001, 9:23:23 AM7/8/01
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Hello Fishkeeping friend's.
I need some advice please! I plan to set up a Reef / Fish Tank very soon,
and a did not relay want a sump as I have not got The room for it, my tank
will be 48x24x24-I want it to be run on live rock and sand, but I dont want
a lot of sand !,I will use a skimmer, a uv, internal Powerheads, and I was
wandering if I could just use a Fluval 404 msf external filter, for the main
pump,
And floss, and carbon, when needed,I would wash the ex/filter weekly as I
dont want any Biological Activity to occur within the Reef in any place,
than within the live rock and sand, I only want about 6 fish / and a
cleaning Crew of Hermits,Snails,
Brittle stars,what do you think please,any advice would be most Welcome ,
thank you a.j.mac...Plymouth Eng.
I need some advice please! I plan to set up a Reef / Fish Tank very soon,
and a did not relay want a sump as I have not got The room for it, my tank
will be 48x24x24-I want it to be run on live rock and sand, but I dont want
a lot of sand !,I will use a skimmer, a uv, internal Powerheads, and I was
wandering if I could just use a Fluval 404 msf external filter, for the main
pump,
And floss, and carbon, when needed,I would wash the ex/filter weekly as I
dont want any Biological Activity to occur within the Reef in any place,
than within the live rock and sand, I only want about 6 fish / and a
cleaning Crew of Hermits,Snails,
Brittle stars,what do you think please,any advice would be most Welcome ,
thank you a.j.mac...Plymouth Eng.
gerry.challoner
Jul 8, 2001, 12:45:04 PM7/8/01
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Why the fluval filter if you are using live rock and a deep sand base?.
That is all the filteration you need. Forget what you read in mags like
PFK, they are way behind the times. The Americans are streets in front of
us. You do not need an outdated sump, a protien skimmer would help, but not
an essential piece of equipment. The UV is a definate no go, a total waste
of money.
Alan Macmillan ( Eng ) <aj...@moormist.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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That is all the filteration you need. Forget what you read in mags like
PFK, they are way behind the times. The Americans are streets in front of
us. You do not need an outdated sump, a protien skimmer would help, but not
an essential piece of equipment. The UV is a definate no go, a total waste
of money.
Alan Macmillan ( Eng ) <aj...@moormist.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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Alan Macmillan ( Eng )
Jul 9, 2001, 2:55:49 PM7/9/01
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Hi, so what you are saying is, forget the fluval,but what if I needed to use
filter floss,or Carbon for some reason, also you are saying, that I dont
need a sump,? is this the way that you are running your set up my friend,if
so could you send me the details on how to set it up,thank you,Alan.
"gerry.challoner" <gerry.c...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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filter floss,or Carbon for some reason, also you are saying, that I dont
need a sump,? is this the way that you are running your set up my friend,if
so could you send me the details on how to set it up,thank you,Alan.
"gerry.challoner" <gerry.c...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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gerry.challoner
Jul 9, 2001, 4:15:08 PM7/9/01
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Yes Alan
Sumps are expensive and in my opinion have always been a waste of time. My
set up is a 44 inch x 14inch x 17 inch home made aquarium. I have 4
powerheads, giving me good surface and middle tank movement. A 3inch coral
sand base with lots of living rock, 1lb per gallon. My lighting is one 42
inch triton, one 36 inch 10,000k flourescent, one 36 inch blue moon and one
36 inch actinic. Do not add fish or corals until your nutrates are down to
near zero. I made this mistake and it takes ages to get your nitrateds down
after. I have not got a protien skimmer myself, but one is no doubt a boon
with taking waste out of the tank. I hope this helps you out
Gerrynews:9icunc$h0q$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
Sumps are expensive and in my opinion have always been a waste of time. My
set up is a 44 inch x 14inch x 17 inch home made aquarium. I have 4
powerheads, giving me good surface and middle tank movement. A 3inch coral
sand base with lots of living rock, 1lb per gallon. My lighting is one 42
inch triton, one 36 inch 10,000k flourescent, one 36 inch blue moon and one
36 inch actinic. Do not add fish or corals until your nutrates are down to
near zero. I made this mistake and it takes ages to get your nitrateds down
after. I have not got a protien skimmer myself, but one is no doubt a boon
with taking waste out of the tank. I hope this helps you out
Gerrynews:9icunc$h0q$1...@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
Bodysnatcher
Jul 9, 2001, 6:08:24 PM7/9/01
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Just one question, If I had the same setup as the original guy, without a
skimmer would a fuval 404 help or hinder the tank? I can't afford a skimmer
but I have a 404.
"Zayne Ismail" <sis...@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
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> I agree. I pourchased a fluval 204 for my tank when i first set it up. 2
> months later i removed it because of eth nitrate build up. If you have
> enough live rock, sand ands a skimmer you do not need a canister.
>
> "gerry.challoner" <gerry.c...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:z2027.8363$WS4.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
skimmer would a fuval 404 help or hinder the tank? I can't afford a skimmer
but I have a 404.
"Zayne Ismail" <sis...@alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
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> I agree. I pourchased a fluval 204 for my tank when i first set it up. 2
> months later i removed it because of eth nitrate build up. If you have
> enough live rock, sand ands a skimmer you do not need a canister.
>
> "gerry.challoner" <gerry.c...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:z2027.8363$WS4.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
Alan Macmillan ( Eng )
Jul 9, 2001, 6:38:03 PM7/9/01
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Hi Gerry, (1) So you have rock and sand for your Biological Filtration,but
dont you have any Mechanical Filtration,or Chemical Filtration. and (2) with
the live rock laying on the sand dont you get any dead spots in your tank !
Sorry to be a pain Gerry,but I need to know these things,for my pease of
mind (3) What is your water Chemistry like , ok. Alan...news:tdo27.12400$WS4.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
dont you have any Mechanical Filtration,or Chemical Filtration. and (2) with
the live rock laying on the sand dont you get any dead spots in your tank !
Sorry to be a pain Gerry,but I need to know these things,for my pease of
mind (3) What is your water Chemistry like , ok. Alan...news:tdo27.12400$WS4.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
Ray Sheriff
Jul 10, 2001, 5:55:19 PM7/10/01
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The new sumps come with protein skimmers (CPR cy194) first then small amount
of bio material.Sumps cost no more then a good protein skimmer. They make
life with a reef tank easy. I have a Pro75 (sealife) on my 54 corner and a
cy194 on my 110RR. I think that you can run a tank on LR & LS but with a
sump or canister filter you can run carbon for a few days with out a problem
every month or two if needed. Your canister filter will add circulation also
like a power head.Just my thoughts.
Ray
of bio material.Sumps cost no more then a good protein skimmer. They make
life with a reef tank easy. I have a Pro75 (sealife) on my 54 corner and a
cy194 on my 110RR. I think that you can run a tank on LR & LS but with a
sump or canister filter you can run carbon for a few days with out a problem
every month or two if needed. Your canister filter will add circulation also
like a power head.Just my thoughts.
Ray
gerry.challoner
Jul 10, 2001, 6:10:33 PM7/10/01
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I have only got live rock and sand bed Alan, no mechanical filteration
whatsoever. I am thinking of getting an internal fluval for getting rid of
debris and washing the sponge out in tap water once a week as it is
important ot to let any other form of biological filteration take over your
tank other than the rock and sand. I took this advice of no protien skimmer
off Kitty, an American friend of mine who as guided me. I add no chemicals
of any sort Alan, what for, I change two buckets of water a week, which
comes to about £3 a week, a small price to pay for piece of mind, When you
do a regular water change, all calcium and chemicals are automatically
added, so why buy these unneeded products?.
I use Instant Ocean salt mix, straight from the tap, a cup and a half to a
bucket of water is about right. I dont let the water stand over night, but
syphon it onto the glass from the bucket. No R/O, our water supply is
nitrate free. I have only been in the reef game for 6 months and am more
than surprised how easy corals are to keep if you start off with the easier
ones. My nitrates are down to about 5ppm at the moment, but when I give an
heavy feed, it rises to about 30ppm for a day or two. I had been keeping
marine fish since 1967 and found them not much more difficult to keep than
tropical freshwater fish. I had some of my fish live to over 8 years of
age, and have always followed Graham Coxs methods of simple undergravel
filters only. He was and still is the master of marine fish keeping in
England, he founded the Brighton aquarium in the sixties on simple
undergravels with resounding success. He is now the owner of Underqworld
who markets cuprazin etc.
It used to make me smile to myself when I read all the rubbish of trickle
filters, sumps etc, according to most authors without all these pieces of
equipment it was nigh on impossible to keep marine fish. I have never in my
life owned or seen a protien skimmer work, though I have no doubt in my mind
that they would be a great help. Plenums are all the rave in PFK at the
moment, I have looked ane read about this system in depth, what a load of
old rubbish. Are they seriously expecting us to believe that a stagnet part
of void water at the bottom of the tank is working miracles. They msu think
everyone is gullible. Dont they realise that in America, the plenum system
is on the way out in favour of a deep sand bed? The Americans are way in
front of us now on knowledge , we are way behind the times.as far as reef
tanks go. My corals are flourishing, I have only the easier ones at the
moment, a colt coral, a beautiful toadstool coral which is the size of a
dinner plate, an atlantic anemone, which is again the size of a dinner
plate, a rock which is smothered in star exenia polys, a lovely thriving
flame scallop, along with a carnation coral, which is more than holding its
own at the moment, despite it supposedly being just about impossible to keep
alive. Take the plunge on your budget Alan, you will not regret it, and do
not listen to all the scare stories. Maidenhead aquatics do some
magnificent pieces of living rock. I wish you all the luck in the world in
this fascinating hobbynews:9idao8$pqu$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
whatsoever. I am thinking of getting an internal fluval for getting rid of
debris and washing the sponge out in tap water once a week as it is
important ot to let any other form of biological filteration take over your
tank other than the rock and sand. I took this advice of no protien skimmer
off Kitty, an American friend of mine who as guided me. I add no chemicals
of any sort Alan, what for, I change two buckets of water a week, which
comes to about £3 a week, a small price to pay for piece of mind, When you
do a regular water change, all calcium and chemicals are automatically
added, so why buy these unneeded products?.
I use Instant Ocean salt mix, straight from the tap, a cup and a half to a
bucket of water is about right. I dont let the water stand over night, but
syphon it onto the glass from the bucket. No R/O, our water supply is
nitrate free. I have only been in the reef game for 6 months and am more
than surprised how easy corals are to keep if you start off with the easier
ones. My nitrates are down to about 5ppm at the moment, but when I give an
heavy feed, it rises to about 30ppm for a day or two. I had been keeping
marine fish since 1967 and found them not much more difficult to keep than
tropical freshwater fish. I had some of my fish live to over 8 years of
age, and have always followed Graham Coxs methods of simple undergravel
filters only. He was and still is the master of marine fish keeping in
England, he founded the Brighton aquarium in the sixties on simple
undergravels with resounding success. He is now the owner of Underqworld
who markets cuprazin etc.
It used to make me smile to myself when I read all the rubbish of trickle
filters, sumps etc, according to most authors without all these pieces of
equipment it was nigh on impossible to keep marine fish. I have never in my
life owned or seen a protien skimmer work, though I have no doubt in my mind
that they would be a great help. Plenums are all the rave in PFK at the
moment, I have looked ane read about this system in depth, what a load of
old rubbish. Are they seriously expecting us to believe that a stagnet part
of void water at the bottom of the tank is working miracles. They msu think
everyone is gullible. Dont they realise that in America, the plenum system
is on the way out in favour of a deep sand bed? The Americans are way in
front of us now on knowledge , we are way behind the times.as far as reef
tanks go. My corals are flourishing, I have only the easier ones at the
moment, a colt coral, a beautiful toadstool coral which is the size of a
dinner plate, an atlantic anemone, which is again the size of a dinner
plate, a rock which is smothered in star exenia polys, a lovely thriving
flame scallop, along with a carnation coral, which is more than holding its
own at the moment, despite it supposedly being just about impossible to keep
alive. Take the plunge on your budget Alan, you will not regret it, and do
not listen to all the scare stories. Maidenhead aquatics do some
magnificent pieces of living rock. I wish you all the luck in the world in
this fascinating hobbynews:9idao8$pqu$1...@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
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