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miracle

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Jul 4, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/4/00
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Are you new to growing plants in aquariums?

Is everything in your tank covered in algae?

Are you having trouble trying to figure out what fertilizers or micro
nutrients your plants need to grow healthy?

Does CO2 injection seem complicated?

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How would you like to have a fully planted tank that needs;

No CO2.

No fertilizers.

No expensive commercial substrates.

Little cleaning other than cleaning the glass once a week.

A lot less filtration than other setups.

Fewer water changes than you are doing now,

and has crystal clear water with no surface scum.

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How much would you pay now, 10, 20,100, a 1000 dollars!

I'm sorry but I'm not selling anything.

I am however pushing a book I read four months ago that has helped me
suddenly grow plants like I never could before.

See the photos on my web site; http://www.users.uswest.net/~laren

I do not sell the book myself, but I can give you several different
sources, or you can find a copy of it yourself.

The book is called;

"Ecology of the Planted Aquarium"

and is written by Diana Walstad.

Diana was a technical advisor to the Aquatic Gardeners Association.

The book cost's about $20 from amazon.com

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The book is full of scientific information about what goes on in a
planted tank, as well as
information the author uses to set up her own tanks.

I have been using her methods in some of my own tanks for over four
months now and am very happy with the results.

These methods can be applied by anyone with no experience and little
expense.

Take a look at the photos of my planted tanks on my web site and read
additional information about Diana's methods.


Larry Miracle
http://www.users.uswest.net/~laren


Gerald B. Rosenberg

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In article <396271b6...@news.uswest.net>, la...@uswest.net says...

>
> Are you new to growing plants in aquariums?
>
> Is everything in your tank covered in algae?
>
> Are you having trouble trying to figure out what fertilizers or micro
> nutrients your plants need to grow healthy?
>
> Does CO2 injection seem complicated?
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> How would you like to have a fully planted tank that needs;
>
> No CO2.
>
> No fertilizers.
What a shill! If anything, casts doubt on the integrity of the Walstad
methods. And plants the credibility of Laren's opinions and thoughts at
essentially zero.


>
> No expensive commercial substrates.
>
> Little cleaning other than cleaning the glass once a week.
>
> A lot less filtration than other setups.
>
> Fewer water changes than you are doing now,
>
> and has crystal clear water with no surface scum.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> How much would you pay now, 10, 20,100, a 1000 dollars!
>
> I'm sorry but I'm not selling anything.
>
> I am however pushing a book I read four months ago that has helped me
> suddenly grow plants like I never could before.
>
> See the photos on my web site; http://www.users.uswest.net/~laren
>
> I do not sell the book myself, but I can give you several different
> sources, or you can find a copy of it yourself.
>
> The book is called;
>
> "Ecology of the Planted Aquarium"
>
> and is written by Diana Walstad.
>
> Diana was a technical advisor to the Aquatic Gardeners Association.
>

--

--
Gerald B. Rosenberg
NewTechLaw

miracle

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Jul 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/5/00
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This method has worked for me, and it can work for anyone else as
well.

I just want to share my good fortune that I've had using her methods.
I don't have to speak for Diana, as a former advisor to the Aquatic
Gardeners Association, her reputation proceeds her.

I don't know what you have against me or Diana Walstad, or her
methods.

Maybe you just don't like people growing plants differently than you
do or maybe the idea that anyone can grow plants bothers you.

If you have any doubts that this method can work, why don't you look
at my web site and see the results I've had.

I'm sorry if I've offended you somehow.


Larry
http://www.users.uswest.net/~laren

On 04 Jul 2000 21:41:43 EDT, Gerald B. Rosenberg <g...@newtechlaw.com>
wrote:


>What a shill! If anything, casts doubt on the integrity of the Walstad
>methods. And plants the credibility of Laren's opinions and thoughts at
>essentially zero.
>
>

>> >Gerald B. Rosenberg
>NewTechLaw


UpAllNite 24x7

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Jul 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/5/00
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geeze where have I seen the discussion started before? Oh yeah, the plant
group, where it belongs.

aspen

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Jul 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/5/00
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quite respectfully(not) i have to agree.

rick


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miracle

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Jul 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/5/00
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Actually I got the feeling I wasn't wanted there!

Witch is kind of surprising sense that is suposed to be a plant group.

I get the feeling though that many of the people there are not open to
some of the methods I use, even though I have had great success with
them.

Since I have left, the group is pretty dead, and you have followed me
here, never wanting to loose a chance to flame or harass me.

I really don't understand what it is that bothers you guys so much.

I thought people with no, or bad experience might be more interested
in a simple method for growing plants.

Believe it or not I heard about Diana Walstads book out side the plant
group myself.

Many people that have aquariums, would like to have plants, but have
had bad luck with trying to grow them.

And it has really opened up a new level of aquarium enjoyment for me.

I'm sorry if that bothers you.

I am just going to turn the other check though, because I really am
more interested in talking about growing plants than exchanging
insults.

Hopefully the other people that read this will see you for what you
are.

Have a nice day.

Larry
A wild and crazy guy!
http://www.users.uswest.net/~laren

On 05 Jul 2000 17:11:04 GMT, upalln...@aol.comyadayada (UpAllNite

miracle

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More negative comments from people from the plant group.
I have a lot of friends their.

Thank's for comming.

Larry
http://www.users.uswest.net/~laren

Tom

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Hi,
When I'd my first fish/plant tank 3 yr. ago I used Miracle Glow plants
fertilizer from Home Depot. It cost only about $3 and my plants are striving
like crazy. I changed it back to FO about a year later I still got half
bottle full of unused fertilizer...or should I say half empty?

Let me get to the point. If Diana didn't describe this method in her book
then she isn't good enough, at least for me.

miracle wrote:

> I just want to share my good fortune that I've had using her methods.
> I don't have to speak for Diana, as a former advisor to the Aquatic
> Gardeners Association, her reputation proceeds her.

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Gerald B. Rosenberg

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In article <3963bcbd....@news.uswest.net>, la...@uswest.net says...

>
>
> Actually I got the feeling I wasn't wanted there!

Actually not you. It was your posts! Your presentation makes Walstads
methods *sound* like a scam and that appearence drew the complaints and
the harsh reaction.

> Witch is kind of surprising sense that is suposed to be a plant group.

Which makes it all the more understandable that a shill for a *miracle*
plant growing method receives immediate and broad based skepticism.

Which further begs the (rhetorical) question of why you felt compelled to
post here?

>
> Since I have left, the group is pretty dead,

Flame bait again.

> and you have followed me
> here, never wanting to loose a chance to flame or harass me.
>

If you really want an ad hominum tossed your way, you are going to have
to work alot harder at it first.

> I really don't understand what it is that bothers you guys so much.

C'mon. You really don't think you are going to get sympathy do you?

>
> Have a nice day.
>
> Larry

You too!

Ian S

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Jul 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/6/00
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In article <3963bcbd....@news.uswest.net>,
la...@uswest.net (miracle) wrote:

> Since I have left, the group is pretty dead

If you actually left, how do you know whether or not it's dead? ;-)

Assuming you're referring to rec.aquaria.freshwater.plants, I've been
there for a while now and it doesn't seem particularly dead to me.
I've not noticed any post from you though.... When did you leave?

--
Ian


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UpAllNite 24x7

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Jul 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/6/00
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If a person where to want to see the reality involved all they would need to do
is search usenet for your email addy and they would see all the postings. See
me for what I am? I am just a guy that likes to keep aquariums. However, this
topic, I feel was beaten to death in the plant group and realy have no desire
to see any more of it. Right wrong or indifferent. News groups are open
discussion forums, it may be fact, or opinion, but it should stay on topic.
This is a cichlid group, folks come here to talk about cichlids.

aspen

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Jul 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/6/00
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yea more cichlids!

miracle

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In stead of Miracle Grow, she uses potting or garden soil.
Which also can be bought at Home Depot.

The atvantage over Miracle Grow and other fertilizers is that the
nutrients are available to the plants through their roots.

That means that there are little nutrients floating around in the
water for algae and bio films (bacteria).

My water is very clear with no surface scum, and what little algae
present is is receding.

I have not added any fertilizers in the four months my tanks have been
up.

Please have a look!

http://www.users.uswest.net/~laren

Larry

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