To buy or not to buy...??
jon.d2...@ukonline.co.uk
Last night I was offered the chance to buy what may be (not yet seen)
an extrordinarily rare pair of Charles II candlesticks. The asking
price is 4,500 ukp or $7000.
Disregarding the fact of whether or not I have the means to buy these,
this is the equivalent of a furniture dealer blowing 50,000ukp/$75,000
on one piece, as decent top of the range early pairs are still
available at around 500 ukp.
**Even** if I know they are good, I must say that I have some
misgivings about putting all my eggs in one basket.
This provokes some questions:
What is the largest single buy that you ever made?
Do you feel nervous about laying out big sums even if you are sure of
the piece?
How did the deal work out?
Jon
PS ..and of course I would not want to part with them anyway if I did
buy them!!!!
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Apple10
While not much of a "dealer" myself, I
have a lot of interaction with dealers. I
think it's important to ask yourself what the potential for selling those
candlestix is
with say, a 3 month period. Then, within
6 mo to a year? Money has a "time/value" state that is often overlooked.
If your money is invested for a year, then
you NEED a "greater return on investment"
that if you could turn over the item in 3 mo.
Of course, if you already KNOW you
can sell them & make a profit a week after
purchase, then it is a much easier deci-
sion.
Ronnie McKinley
I think he (Jon) would be a fool to merely speculate by laying out 4 1/2k
on a pair of sticks, unless he's a John Bly or something. ;>
If he (Jon) can't turn the 4 1/2k the **next day** and pass the sticks
onto a specialist collector or dealer then he would be IMHO best to
forget the whole thing and keeps his money in his pocket. Or else, he
would need to be well heeled ...... just spend 4 1/2k on a pair of sticks
then sitting around hoping for a customer to pop through the door looking
to spend 4 1/2k (plus) on a pair of candlesticks?? .... welcome to *his*
world. :-)
I must say, these must be one hell of a pair of stick to warrant 4 1/2 k
PLUS, I say plus, as I assume there must be profit left in them?? And if
that were the case, then surely, a specialist Christie's sale (or any of
the rest) would be the best venue to place such objects, if he can wait
the 3-6 months on an appropriate sale. All in all, it's sound a bit of a
dodgy deal to me.
Ronnie
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Patricia Jansma
I'm glad I am not in your shoes ;) as I find that these kind of big deals
(for me) cause me more stress than fun... and then it is better not be
tempted in the first place.
I am very cautious and would not put all my eggs in one basket if I
wouldn't be 100.000% sure about the authenticity and would know I could
sell them quickly and make a very good profit to reward me for taking such
a risk ... I also feel I would have to know everything there is to know
about the item (=be a specialist in that particular field - and thusfar
the more I learn, the more I know there is so much I don't know).
With such a big amount of money involved I wouldn't be eager to take the
risk if I wouldn't be sure all(!) (and that is difficult with antiques)
the odds would be in my favour. And yes, not taking too much risks means
that I sometimes miss out. Much good stuff happening still, though, with
no stress.
Other things I would ask myself: how much does the seller know about the
value? If you say that decent top of the range candelabra's sell for about
UKP 500, where does the seller bases his/her price on? Does he or she
knows more or less than you? (and why did he or she come to you?).
Good luck deciding and I hope you will keep us posted...
Regards,
Patricia
Kat
I would definatly take a look at the candlesticks
first before you fork out the money. Are they really
small and simple candlesticks or are they the taller
more elaborate and fanciful type?
I would be careful.
I had a similiar situation today. I saw a Baroque
chandelier but not in very good shape and in
need of restoration. I haven't been able to get
a hold of the dealer and I'm not sure he will
even sell it to me but I hope so!
These chandeliers especially if their from the
original period are so expensive to buy in
restored or average condition so if I manage
to get this chandelier for a good price I will
be a very happy woman.
Regards,
Kathleen
jon.d2...@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
>
> Last night I was offered the chance to buy what may be (not yet seen)
> an extrordinarily rare pair of Charles II candlesticks. The asking
> price is 4,500 ukp or $7000.
>
> Disregarding the fact of whether or not I have the means to buy these,
> this is the equivalent of a furniture dealer blowing 50,000ukp/$75,000
> on one piece, as decent top of the range early pairs are still
> available at around 500 ukp.
>
> **Even** if I know they are good, I must say that I have some
> misgivings about putting all my eggs in one basket.
>
> This provokes some questions:
>
> What is the largest single buy that you ever made?
>
> Do you feel nervous about laying out big sums even if you are sure of
> the piece?
>
> How did the deal work out?
>
> Jon
>
> PS ..and of course I would not want to part with them anyway if I did
> buy them!!!!
>
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Mike Wilcox
>
> Last night I was offered the chance to buy what may be (not yet seen)
> an extrordinarily rare pair of Charles II candlesticks. The asking
> price is 4,500 ukp or $7000.
>
> Disregarding the fact of whether or not I have the means to buy these,
> this is the equivalent of a furniture dealer blowing 50,000ukp/$75,000
> on one piece, as decent top of the range early pairs are still
> available at around 500 ukp.
>
> **Even** if I know they are good, I must say that I have some
> misgivings about putting all my eggs in one basket.
>
> This provokes some questions:
>
> What is the largest single buy that you ever made?
>
> Do you feel nervous about laying out big sums even if you are sure of
> the piece?
>
> How did the deal work out?
>
> Jon
>
> PS ..and of course I would not want to part with them anyway if I did
> buy them!!!!
>
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The biggest amount I've planned to lay out was $4500.00 ( 1987 dollars)
for a pair of fully restored MGB's , 1968 & 1969 models. I stood to
profit about $4000.00 on the sale of both of them, but the bank wouldn't
go for it, they informed me that "we do not loan money for speculative
purposes". So that deal went down the tubes as I only had a window of
opportunity of a couple of days, the owner of the cars was in over his
head and needed cash right away.
This raises another point about this business, the need for ready
capital to take advantage of deals that can really raise you up to a
higher level of dealing. The lack of capital is one of the biggest
hurdles to advancing up the Antique food chain, you can be a rival for
Lovejoy and still starve because you can't grab those deals that come
your way.
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Mike Wilcox
Wilcox & Hall Appraisers Online
Jon Dennington
>I think he (Jon) would be a fool to merely speculate by laying out 4 1/2k
>on a pair of sticks, unless he's a John Bly or something. ;>
>
>If he (Jon) can't turn the 4 1/2k the **next day** and pass the sticks
>onto a specialist collector or dealer then he would be IMHO best to
>forget the whole thing and keeps his money in his pocket. Or else, he
>would need to be well heeled ...... just spend 4 1/2k on a pair of sticks
>then sitting around hoping for a customer to pop through the door looking
>to spend 4 1/2k (plus) on a pair of candlesticks?? .... welcome to *his*
>world. :-)
>
>I must say, these must be one hell of a pair of stick to warrant 4 1/2 k
>PLUS, I say plus, as I assume there must be profit left in them?? And if
>that were the case, then surely, a specialist Christie's sale (or any of
>the rest) would be the best venue to place such objects, if he can wait
>the 3-6 months on an appropriate sale. All in all, it's sound a bit of a
>dodgy deal to me.
>>
>Ronnie
>=====
Actually, they went up to 5.5K last night and I'm out of it now. I still think
that they could make a bit more than that at a big sale but after commission
etc this is too much of a gamble (good at 4K).
However being in this group has created a fantastic contact with a top
UKmetalware dealer ...and this should prove fruitful.
BTW Ronnie, what was your biggest ever single purchase?
Jon
Ronnie McKinley
>BTW Ronnie, what was your biggest ever single purchase?
Single biggest purchases have always been art, Jon. But all have been
sure fire things and turned almost immediately never kept a one. Irish
art and all bought during the Irish art hype of the late '80s to the mid
'90s, Wouldn't be so keen to do the same today, not that I've lost me
nerve, just that the Irish art market is a bit more sensible and refined
these days.
Not that it will mean anything to you (maybe ??) a Wm Conor painting (oil
on canvas) bought in at 17K. I made 3k within two hours of buying it,
sold over the phone to a dealer/collector. And, I was a go-between for a
pair of J.B Yeats drawings, hell I should have kept those, but couldn't
afford them, then or now. Other largish outlay was for a Dorothea Sharp
oil, 4K but I'm not saying what I sold that for!! ;> ... course Dorothea
Sharp wasn't Irish but you knew that already. ;))
Ronnie
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jon.d2...@ukonline.co.uk
>Not that it will mean anything to you (maybe ??) a Wm Conor painting
(oil
>on canvas) bought in at 17K. ......
>Ronnie
Hi Ronnie
Would that be the William Conor whose Ulster landscape painting was
mostly a celebration of the formal features of the Ulster countryside
-the ever-changing,always moisture-saturated skies; the rolling
Drumlin hills and lush meadows; bogland and bog pools. I believe that
Conor used 'the figure' as a formal prop or anecdote in his works
unlike other painters of this genre.
Jon
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Ronnie McKinley
>Would that be the William Conor whose Ulster landscape painting was
>mostly a celebration of the formal features of the Ulster countryside
>-the ever-changing,always moisture-saturated skies; the rolling
>Drumlin hills and lush meadows; bogland and bog pools. I believe that
>Conor used 'the figure' as a formal prop or anecdote in his works
>unlike other painters of this genre.
>
... and an example of the UK regional price difference, not worth a
whole hell of a lot across in England on the "mainland", but worth a
couple of arms and a leg or two, here in Ireland.
You forgot to mention he was one of the official war artists, as well as
the official MOD stuff, he produced many small and interesting sketches
of life during this period using whatever bits of paper or material he
could lay his hands on, sweetie bags, cardboard ration boxes, used
red-cross packages and the like, being the order of the day. :)
Ronnie
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Ronnie McKinley
On This Day/July 22 1926
"Belfast Artist In USA"
THE 'Philadelphia Ledger' has the appended impression of the impressions
of Mr William Conor, the well known Belfast artist, who is at present on
a visit to the United States:
“American speed and American girls have left William Conor in a daze. The
former because of its perpetuity, the latter because of their continuity,
at least from north to south.
From a chair in the lobby of the Bellevue-Stratford, Mr Conor gazed upon
the crowds pushing in and out of the doors yesterday and waited for his
mind to catch up with the happenings of the last two days.
Advertising men in subways, taxicabs, city halls and conventions buzzed
through his head like an electric fan. It was the first quiet moment he
had known since landing in this country.
As he turned towards the crowds, watching them as they tore through the
halls and out of the registration rooms, he sighed, and a smile appeared.
“My mind is two days behind the times.”
For William Conor, Irishman and artist, it is a very strange thing, his
being in America. And queerer still is his presence at an advertising
convention. But he was invited to come by the advertising club of Ulster
and, packing his pictures in great wooden boxes, he left the city of
Belfast and journeyed across the Atlantic.
As he set in the Bellevue-Stratford he appeared perplexed, and also very
amused. His black hair fell slanting across his forehead, and between his
hands he clasped a heavy black cane. When he stood up he was rather short
and stocky, and when he talked he had the accent of the north country.
...... Irish News Viewpoint section: Archive
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Ronnie
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Marshall Schuon
Ahhh, I love it, Ronnie. Where'd you find it? Good stuff.
Marshall
jon.d2...@ukonline.co.uk
>In rec.antiques, jon.d2...@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
>
>>Would that be the William Conor whose Ulster landscape painting was
>>mostly a celebration of the formal features of the Ulster
countryside
>>-the ever-changing,always moisture-saturated skies; the rolling
>>Drumlin hills and lush meadows; bogland and bog pools. I believe
that
>>Conor used 'the figure' as a formal prop or anecdote in his works
>>unlike other painters of this genre.
>>
>
> ... and an example of the UK regional price difference, not worth a
>whole hell of a lot across in England on the "mainland", but worth a
>couple of arms and a leg or two, here in Ireland.
>
>>>>my 'feelers' are already twitching......!!
BTW my godfather was William Tighe-Wood a Brigadier and much decorated
soldier who became a senior art restorer for the National Gallery
after the war. His father was the watercolourist of the same name who
mostly painted Sussex landscapes.
Jon
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Mike Wilcox
>
> In rec.antiques, jon.d2...@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
>
> >Would that be the William Conor whose Ulster landscape painting was
> >mostly a celebration of the formal features of the Ulster countryside
> >-the ever-changing,always moisture-saturated skies; the rolling
> >Drumlin hills and lush meadows; bogland and bog pools. I believe that
> >Conor used 'the figure' as a formal prop or anecdote in his works
> >unlike other painters of this genre.
> >
>
> ... and an example of the UK regional price difference, not worth a
> whole hell of a lot across in England on the "mainland", but worth a
> couple of arms and a leg or two, here in Ireland.
>
> the official MOD stuff, he produced many small and interesting sketches
> of life during this period using whatever bits of paper or material he
> could lay his hands on, sweetie bags, cardboard ration boxes, used
> red-cross packages and the like, being the order of the day. :)
>
> Ronnie
> =====
Hi Ronnie, we have a ton of war art over here that has never seen the
light of day, a lot of the boys that went over during the first war
refused to paint the heroic versions the brass wanted and painted the
truth. The results were deemed " Unsuitable for the public" and have
been mouldering away in the darkness.
13 Ghosts
No kidding? Sounds like there is a book deal there just
waiting for someone to take the photos and put the book
together.
13 Ghosts
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Actually, that's quite a good thought. Be a lot of interest, I would
think.
Marshall
Gary & lois Edwards
man in the city of New York, that I'll have to tell)....when he came out of
the service, (he drove horsecart ambulance in France, taking ammo to the
front and hauling bodies back to the rear) he walked out with four
photographs in his shoe. They were of body after body, rotting and piled
into trenches. If the photos had been found, he could have been shot as a
traitor, because these were the bodies of our own men, and they belied the
boasts of our own Generals. When my Dad was drafted for Korea, Grandad
pulled out those pictures and showed him what our own government could do to
all those anxious boys ready to give their all for their country. My Dad
still has those photos.....they are ghastly.
Lois E.
13 Ghosts <13Gh...@hotbot.com>
> >
> > Hi Ronnie, we have a ton of war art over here that has never seen the
> > light of day, a lot of the boys that went over during the first war
> > refused to paint the heroic versions the brass wanted and painted the
> > truth. The results were deemed " Unsuitable for the public" and have
> > been mouldering away in the darkness.
> > --
> > Mike Wilcox
> > Wilcox & Hall Appraisers Online
> ====
>
> No kidding? Sounds like there is a book deal there just
> waiting for someone to take the photos and put the book
> together.
> 13 Ghosts
Double D Auction
Ghastly does not come even close to a proper description.
Debbie
Gary & lois Edwards
nothing! I hope I didn't sound as though I were belittling any of the
Holocaust survivors, either, because nothing could be further from the
truth. When I was young, (about twelve, I guess) I read the Diary of Ann
Frank. It left such an impression on me, that I became determined to find
out how Hitler could have made an entire country go....for want of a better
way to express it at that age......insane. I checked out book after book
until our Librarian, Miss McGrew, (yes that was her real name....a maiden
spinster lady) got worried that I was somehow investigating the atrocities
for voyeuristic reasons, so she sent home a note to my mother listing all
the books I had checked out. Mom questioned me on what I thought I was doing
and I told her just that. How could just one man, make an entire country go
crazy, to the point that they would commit, or at least tolerate, crimes
against fellow man. I mean, weren't they worried about what God would say??
(as I said, I was young and very idealistic). Now I understand that there
were a lot of different factors, but there is still a sneaky feeling that
there must have been something put in the water.....normal people just could
have never have behaved that way.
Lois E.
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Tina Sutherland
Mike Wilcox wrote:
>
> Hi T/13,
> Here's an example of what you are allowed to see, you can imagine what
> the other paintings look like. At the time this could have put the
> artist in front of the firing squad.
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/wilcox.hall.2ndcentury/Forwhat.html
> --
> Mike Wilcox
> Wilcox & Hall Appraisers Online
Mike,
This is an amazing piece of work. I would really like to see more of his
art. I took down his name, but do you know anything more about him?
I think that book should be done...and it would be interesting to see
what artists from other countries were saying too. I wonder if there are
German and Japanese anti war-art pieces still out there.
Tina
Mike Wilcox
Snippage
> >
> > Hi Ronnie, we have a ton of war art over here that has never seen the
> > light of day, a lot of the boys that went over during the first war
> > refused to paint the heroic versions the brass wanted and painted the
> > truth. The results were deemed " Unsuitable for the public" and have
> > been mouldering away in the darkness.
> > --
> > Mike Wilcox
> > Wilcox & Hall Appraisers Online
> ====
>
> No kidding? Sounds like there is a book deal there just
> waiting for someone to take the photos and put the book
> together.
> 13 Ghosts
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Cyanogirl
>Oh I agree.....nothing is as horrifying as the Holocaust....absolutely
>nothing! I hope I didn't sound as though I were belittling any of the
>Holocaust survivors, either, because nothing could be further from the
>truth. When I was young, (about twelve, I guess) I read the Diary of Ann
>Frank. It left such an impression on me, that I became determined to find
>out how Hitler could have made an entire country go....for want of a better
>way to express it at that age......insane. I checked out book after book
>until our Librarian, Miss McGrew, (yes that was her real name....a maiden
>spinster lady) got worried that I was somehow investigating the atrocities
>for voyeuristic reasons, so she sent home a note to my mother listing all
>the books I had checked out. Mom questioned me on what I thought I was doing
>and I told her just that. How could just one man, make an entire country
>go
>crazy, to the point that they would commit, or at least tolerate, crimes
>against fellow man. I mean, weren't they worried about what God would say??
>(as I said, I was young and very idealistic). Now I understand that there
>were a lot of different factors, but there is still a sneaky feeling that
>there must have been something put in the water.....normal people just could
>have never have behaved that way.
>Lois E.
Hi Lois. I understand what you're saying, and, as counterpoint, here's some
light reading for ya.
<A HREF="http://www.u.arizona.edu/~jcook/milgram.htm">milgram</A>
13 Ghosts
That's a great painting! It would be kind of a downer
hung in the average living room, I guess. ;)
But it is a great painting.
I once had a book of photos, thin, paperbound,
photographs of the war dead of WWI. It was called
something like "The Asolute Truth". The something
truth, I can't remember. It was long ago.
No text at all. It didn't need any.
Jon Dennington
>Oh I agree.....nothing is as horrifying as the Holocaust....absolutely
>nothing!
Well, our POWs in Japan might not agree with you there. I thank God that the
war in Japan was stopped when my father was still on the boat going out there.
I know many of many of his friends who died in the camps and many who
'survived'. The stories make me physically sick and much has been hidden in
order to maintain trade with Japan.
'Man's inhumanity to man' is the most horrifying evil and this was an extreme
example of this.
Jon
Mike Wilcox
>
> Mike Wilcox wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi T/13,
> > Here's an example of what you are allowed to see, you can imagine what
> > the other paintings look like. At the time this could have put the
> > artist in front of the firing squad.
> > http://www3.sympatico.ca/wilcox.hall.2ndcentury/Forwhat.html
> > --
> > Mike Wilcox
> > Wilcox & Hall Appraisers Online
>
> This is an amazing piece of work. I would really like to see more of his
> art. I took down his name, but do you know anything more about him?
> I think that book should be done...and it would be interesting to see
> what artists from other countries were saying too. I wonder if there are
> German and Japanese anti war-art pieces still out there.
> Tina
Hi Tina, Varley belonged to the most famous bunch of artists to come out
of Canada, " The Group of Seven ". There have been several books
published about this period of art in Canada already, but war art has
yet to come into it's own compared to pre and post war efforts of the
group. Here's an url for you on Varley that also links to several others
regarding the Group of Seven.
http://www.mcmichael.com/varley.htm
And here's an url for a list of Online exhibits of his work.
http://artcyclopedia.com/artists/varley_fh.html
JSTONE9352
>The worst I've ever seen were photographs of the Holocaust.
>Ghastly does not come even close to a proper description.
>Debbie
I remember looking at a book on the
Holocaust when I was about 10 years old. Piles of dead, rotting bodies,
the ovens where bodies were burned etc. It made quite an impression on me.
I think my parents checked the book out
of the local library and let us look at it
to make an impression.
Gary & lois Edwards
Jon Dennington <jon...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote
> 'Man's inhumanity to man' is the most horrifying evil and this was an
extreme
> example of this.
> Jon
Holocaust because I'm most familiar with them. My uncles, Louie and Harvey
were in the liberating forces in Europe. My third uncle, Don, served on a
battleship in the Pacific theater, so I just didn't hear as much about the
fighting in and around Japan. In fact when I was really young, I thought
there were two different wars....one with Japan and one with Germany. It
took me a while to figure out that there was fighting in both places "at the
same time."
I wish we'd never have to send our children off to fight another
war....ever......
Lois E.
Jon Dennington
(former Yugoslavia) unspeakable acts of violence can still take place 'en
masse'.
My mother, who worked in a hospital in London all through WW2, remembers that
VE day was the saddest day in her life, because while everyone was wildly
celebrating in the streets, my father was on his way to the Far East.
Jon
I recently managed to find a photo of my father flying his Auster over Egypt
in 1944 (he was a 'spotter' pilot who flew over enemy positions to note gun
placements)
David H. Dean
Dennington) wrote:
>In article <s29qpr...@corp.supernews.com>, "Gary & lois Edwards"
><ga...@bmi.net> wrote:
>>
>>Jon Dennington <jon...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote
>>> 'Man's inhumanity to man' is the most horrifying evil and this was an
>>extreme
>>> example of this.
>>> Jon
>>I do agree with the above, Jon.....I guess I point out the photo's of the
>>Holocaust because I'm most familiar with them. My uncles, Louie and Harvey
>>were in the liberating forces in Europe. My third uncle, Don, served on a
>>battleship in the Pacific theater, so I just didn't hear as much about the
>>fighting in and around Japan. In fact when I was really young, I thought
>>there were two different wars....one with Japan and one with Germany. It
>>took me a while to figure out that there was fighting in both places "at the
>>same time."
>>I wish we'd never have to send our children off to fight another
>>war....ever......
>>Lois E.
>>
>Absolutely. It is hard to think that only a few hours away from here by plane
>(former Yugoslavia) unspeakable acts of violence can still take place 'en
>masse'.
There's a recent movie about the war in Yugoslavia - "The Saint".
It's a pretty cheesy story, but there are a few stomach-turning
scenes. I think that the brutality bothers me more than the graphics.
I was amazed at the state of things there, in-general. I remember
watching the Olympics on TV, and I distinctly remember thinking that
for a country in a former Soviet-bloc nation things were very "modern"
and that the people were much the same as "the rest of us".
When I flew over the region at low-level & saw the destruction, it was
quite startling, almost ghastly, like WWII movies with bombed-out
buildings in the town centers, and even stone houses out in the
country, all by themselves had been shelled.
-dave
Arnold & Jennifer
jon.d2...@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
> Last night I was offered the chance to buy what may be (not yet seen)
> an extrordinarily rare pair of Charles II candlesticks. The asking
> price is 4,500 ukp or $7000.
>
> Disregarding the fact of whether or not I have the means to buy these,
> this is the equivalent of a furniture dealer blowing 50,000ukp/$75,000
> on one piece, as decent top of the range early pairs are still
> available at around 500 ukp.
>
> **Even** if I know they are good, I must say that I have some
> misgivings about putting all my eggs in one basket.
>
> This provokes some questions:
>
> What is the largest single buy that you ever made?
I paid $235 for a porcelain figurine of unknown make. This was only after
the piece was in the antique mall for more than a year. The seller
originally had it priced over $1000, but kept dropping the price when
no-one bought it. (The piece was so dirty it took me more than an hour to
clean all the dirt off after I brought it home!) I still don't know who
made it, but have a fairly good idea of where to look.
> Do you feel nervous about laying out big sums even if you are sure of
> the piece?
Sure did! But I'm glad I bought the figurine!
> How did the deal work out?
My guess is, if I have to sell the figurine, I probably could get 2-3
times what I paid for it! Truthfully though, I'd rather sell a bunch of
my other horse models just to keep the expensive one!
> PS ..and of course I would not want to part with them anyway if I did
> buy them!!!!
Yep; sure sounds familiar!
JP