I have three of them. They are really disappointing to tell the truth
and I think someone could make a good cottage business building a GOOD
AM set for the few people that really want them BCB only means no
bandswitch which was the bane of analog comm radios.
> I have three of them. They are really disappointing to tell the truth
> and I think someone could make a good cottage business building a GOOD
> AM set for the few people that really want them BCB only means no
> bandswitch which was the bane of analog comm radios.
> I have three of them. They are really disappointing to tell the truth
> and I think someone could make a good cottage business building a GOOD
> AM set for the few people that really want them BCB only means no
> bandswitch which was the bane of analog comm radios.
On Fri, 10 Feb 2012, Frank wrote:
> On Feb 10, 6:40 pm, rruss...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> I have three of them. They are really disappointing to tell the truth
>> and I think someone could make a good cottage business building a GOOD
>> AM set for the few people that really want them BCB only means no
>> bandswitch which was the bane of analog comm radios.
> What is "BCB"?
"BC Band" or to extend it further "Broadcast Band".
On Fri, 10 Feb 2012 20:23:28 -0800, Frank wrote:
> On Feb 10, 6:40 pm, rruss...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> I have three of them. They are really disappointing to tell the truth
>> and I think someone could make a good cottage business building a GOOD
>> AM set for the few people that really want them BCB only means no
>> bandswitch which was the bane of analog comm radios.
On Feb 10, 9:17 pm, Radiola3 <n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> No offense, but if they are a disappointment, why did you buy three of
> them? :)
No offense taken, I bought two, one as a gift, one from a guy who put
a subcarrier adapter in it, the third was a dumpster find from a
friend. It had an open power supply wire I easily fixed.
On Feb 10, 8:46 pm, Michael Black <et...@ncf.ca> wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012, Frank wrote:
> > On Feb 10, 6:40 pm, rruss...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> I have three of them. They are really disappointing to tell the truth
> >> and I think someone could make a good cottage business building a GOOD
> >> AM set for the few people that really want them BCB only means no
> >> bandswitch which was the bane of analog comm radios.
> > What is "BCB"?
> "BC Band" or to extend it further "Broadcast Band".
> Michael
That's what I thought, but it was confusing as used in the sentence,
punctuation/placement-wise.
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Frank wrote:
> On Feb 10, 8:46 pm, Michael Black <et...@ncf.ca> wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012, Frank wrote:
>>> On Feb 10, 6:40 pm, rruss...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> I have three of them. They are really disappointing to tell the truth
>>>> and I think someone could make a good cottage business building a GOOD
>>>> AM set for the few people that really want them BCB only means no
>>>> bandswitch which was the bane of analog comm radios.
>>> What is "BCB"?
>> "BC Band" or to extend it further "Broadcast Band".
>> Michael
> That's what I thought, but it was confusing as used in the sentence,
> punctuation/placement-wise.
Yes, I thought he was making a joke, but I didn't see how "BCB" translated to "no bandswitch".
A joke along the line of NTSC (the color tv standard) meaning "never the same color".
> On Feb 10, 9:17 pm, Radiola3 <n...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > No offense, but if they are a disappointment, why did you buy three of
> > them? :)
> No offense taken, I bought two, one as a gift, one from a guy who put
> a subcarrier adapter in it, the third was a dumpster find from a
> friend. It had an open power supply wire I easily fixed.
I see. Interesting though how they are advertised as such a great
radio but this is the first time I've heard anything about them
performance wise. Coming from a fellow radio enthusiast like yourself
I find that kind of sad. Then again there's nothing like some of the
older sets, right?
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Frank wrote:
> On Feb 10, 8:46 pm, Michael Black <et...@ncf.ca> wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012, Frank wrote:
>>> On Feb 10, 6:40 pm, rruss...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> I have three of them. They are really disappointing to tell the truth
>>>> and I think someone could make a good cottage business building a GOOD
>>>> AM set for the few people that really want them BCB only means no
>>>> bandswitch which was the bane of analog comm radios.
>>> What is "BCB"?
>> "BC Band" or to extend it further "Broadcast Band".
>> Michael
> That's what I thought, but it was confusing as used in the sentence,
> punctuation/placement-wise.
Yes, I thought he was making a joke, but I didn't see how "BCB" translated
to "no bandswitch".
A joke along the line of NTSC (the color tv standard) meaning "never the
same color".
On Sat, 11 Feb 2012, Frank wrote:
> On Feb 10, 8:46 pm, Michael Black <et...@ncf.ca> wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Feb 2012, Frank wrote:
>>> On Feb 10, 6:40 pm, rruss...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> I have three of them. They are really disappointing to tell the truth
>>>> and I think someone could make a good cottage business building a GOOD
>>>> AM set for the few people that really want them BCB only means no
>>>> bandswitch which was the bane of analog comm radios.
>>> What is "BCB"?
>> "BC Band" or to extend it further "Broadcast Band".
>> Michael
> That's what I thought, but it was confusing as used in the sentence,
> punctuation/placement-wise.
Yes, I thought he was making a joke, but I didn't see how "BCB" translated
to "no bandswitch".
A joke along the line of NTSC (the color tv standard) meaning "never the
same color".
> When I worked at a major large city CBS-TV outlet and we changed
> from black and white to color, I learned it as "(N)ever (T)wice the
> (S)ame (C)olor.
This was wholly the fault of the broadcasters, and not the system itself.
On Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:12:23 -0800, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>> When I worked at a major large city CBS-TV outlet and we changed from
>> black and white to color, I learned it as "(N)ever (T)wice the (S)ame
>> (C)olor.
> This was wholly the fault of the broadcasters, and not the system
> itself.
The guys at NBC painted a banana blue and put it in a bowl of fruit,
prior to sending a closed circuit color TV test to RCA labs in Jersey, via microwave. It really messed with their heads. How could we have gotten yellow so wrong?
> ? A joke along the line of NTSC (the color tv standard) meaning "never the
> ? same color".
> When I worked at a major large city CBS-TV outlet and we changed from
> black and white to color, I learned it as "(N)ever (T)wice the (S)ame
> (C)olor.
The National Television standards Committee (NTSC) predated color
broadcasting. It set the earlier monochrome standards and worked to
create the color compatible system to prevent the obsolescence of
existing televisions.
-- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.
>> When I worked at a major large city CBS-TV outlet and we changed
>> from black and white to color, I learned it as "(N)ever (T)wice the
>> (S)ame (C)olor.
On 2/12/2012 10:12 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
> This was wholly the fault of the broadcasters, and not the system itself.
"...wholly the fault of the broadcasters"?
Well, if you say so...
...but to the best of my knowledge, this saying originated at the RCA Labs when the NTSC system was being developed, well before the technology and equipment filtered down to the real-world TV stations.
I quote no less of an authority on this than Dr. Alex Magoun, curator of the Sarnoff library, who told this story to us in person at one of the Early TV Museum conventions.
> BCB only means no
> bandswitch which was the bane of analog comm radios.
I'm interested, but I can't decipher what you wrote.
Spelling out terms is helpful to your readers. Why is the absence of a band switch a problem?
Please tell us exactly what is wrong with these products.
Are they all the same model?
Are the parts ratty? Unable to withstand normal handling?
Poor performance?
>>> When I worked at a major large city CBS-TV outlet and we changed
>>> from black and white to color, I learned it as "(N)ever (T)wice the
>>> (S)ame (C)olor.
> On 2/12/2012 10:12 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
>> This was wholly the fault of the broadcasters, and not the system itself.
> "...wholly the fault of the broadcasters"?
> Well, if you say so...
> ...but to the best of my knowledge, this saying originated at the RCA
> Labs when the NTSC system was being developed, well before the
> technology and equipment filtered down to the real-world TV stations.
> I quote no less of an authority on this than Dr. Alex Magoun, curator of
> the Sarnoff library, who told this story to us in person at one of the
> Early TV Museum conventions.
There is nothing inherently unstable about NTSC. Color variations are due
either to bad camera setup or poor studio practice, or to differential phase
error in transmission. The US's microwave systems were not bothered by the
latter.
Think back to when your cable system was analog -- and almost everything was
NTSC. When did you ever see messed-up color?
I recently had the pleasure of watching every episode of "Barney Miller" on
DVD. ABC's "studio practices" were atrocious, with misregistered vidicons,
and color/saturation shifts that would have occurred regardless of the
system in use.
> ??? When I worked at a major large city CBS-TV outlet and we changed
> ??? from black and white to color, I learned it as "(N)ever (T)wice the
> ??? (S)ame (C)olor.
> ? On 2/12/2012 10:12 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
> ?? This was wholly the fault of the broadcasters, and not the system itself.
> ? "...wholly the fault of the broadcasters"?
> ? Well, if you say so...
> ? ...but to the best of my knowledge, this saying originated at the RCA
> ? Labs when the NTSC system was being developed, well before the
> ? technology and equipment filtered down to the real-world TV stations.
> ? I quote no less of an authority on this than Dr. Alex Magoun, curator of
> ? the Sarnoff library, who told this story to us in person at one of the
> ? Early TV Museum conventions.
> There is nothing inherently unstable about NTSC. Color variations are due
> either to bad camera setup or poor studio practice, or to differential phase
> error in transmission. The US's microwave systems were not bothered by the
> latter.
> Think back to when your cable system was analog -- and almost everything was
> NTSC. When did you ever see messed-up color?
> I recently had the pleasure of watching every episode of "Barney Miller" on
> DVD. ABC's "studio practices" were atrocious, with misregistered vidicons,
> and color/saturation shifts that would have occurred regardless of the
> system in use.
That was a low budget show, so it didn't get the best equipment. There was little or no thought of syndication to pay for better quality,
so it was shot to basic broadcast grade video tape.
I watched a bunch of episodes of 'Barney Miller' on Crackle.com, and
there were a lot of 'Night Court' episodes on Youtube.com, along with
some old movies.
-- You can't have a sense of humor, if you have no sense.
>> I recently had the pleasure of watching every episode of "Barney Miller"
>> on DVD. ABC's "studio practices" were atrocious, with misregistered
>> vidicons, and color/saturation shifts that would have occurred regardless
>> of the system in use.
> That was a low budget show, so it didn't get the best equipment.
> There was little or no thought of syndication to pay for better quality,
> so it was shot to basic broadcast grade video tape.
How do you know any of those things?
TV shows rarely make money for the producer in their initial run.
Syndication is often needed to show a profit.
>There is nothing inherently unstable about NTSC. Color variations are due
>either to bad camera setup or poor studio practice, or to differential phase
>error in transmission.
My recollection is that NTSC was finally tamed with the addition of the
Vertical Interval Reference signal some time in the late '60s, I think.
It allowed receivers to correct for the "differential phase error in
transmission."
> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net> wrotf:
>> There is nothing inherently unstable about NTSC. Color variations are due
>> either to bad camera setup or poor studio practice, or to differential
phase
>> error in transmission.
> My recollection is that NTSC was finally tamed with the addition of the
> Vertical Interval Reference signal some time in the late '60s, I think.
> It allowed receivers to correct for the "differential phase error in
> transmission."
I'm not sure this is true -- though I could be wrong. Regardless,
differential phase cannot be corrected simply by lining up the phase of the
subcarrier.
On Sun, 12 Feb 2012, CalBubba wrote:
> On 2/10/2012 6:40 PM, rruss...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> BCB only means no
>> bandswitch which was the bane of analog comm radios.
> I'm interested, but I can't decipher what you wrote.
> Spelling out terms is helpful to your readers. Why is the absence of a band > switch a problem?
In anaylyzing it now, he's saying that most people don't care about a radio that receives shortwave, they just want to receive the AM broadcast band, likely even just the local stations.
In that context, a receiver that tunes only the AM BCB means no bandswitch. And that's a good thing if you don't need it, since a bandswitch adds cost, and can become intermittent.
> Please tell us exactly what is wrong with these products.
> Are they all the same model?
> Are the parts ratty? Unable to withstand normal handling?
> Poor performance?
On Feb 12, 12:23 pm, CalBubba <CalBu...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 2/10/2012 6:40 PM, rruss...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > BCB only means no
> > bandswitch which was the bane of analog comm radios.
> I'm interested, but I can't decipher what you wrote.
> Spelling out terms is helpful to your readers. Why is the absence
> of a band switch a problem?
It's a nonproblem, bandswitches go bad. If all you want is one band.
A shortwave set is more useful because there is still SOME SWBCB, even
if it doesn't have the stability or a product detector for SSB.
> Please tell us exactly what is wrong with these products.
> Are they all the same model?
> Are the parts ratty? Unable to withstand normal handling?
> Poor performance?
They work a little better than any common solid state drugstore AM
radio, about like the GE Superadio. A sixties or seventies AM only
Delco car radio will outperform them for selectivity and sensitivity
and audio quality. By a fair bit. As will many 30s, 40s, 50s tube
radios that are better than an AA5, that is with a separate RF amp in
front of the converter and preferably a tuned RF stage.
The audio section isn't that great and driving the speaker with an
external amp shows that it's just like any cheap speaker out of a boom
box. Coming off the headphone jack into an external amp and speaker
helps a little but not a great deal.
The LCD display on two of mine has progressively gotten weaker, also.
"Other Than That" they work fine.
I have a solid state Zenith AM/FM table radio that works as well as
the CCrane. It was a $1 Goodwill find. AC only.
