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Bill Turner
FRANCE. AMONG OTHER THINGS WAS THE DETAILS OF WHAT A NEW WEAPON KNOWN AS
NAPALM CONSISTED OF. TURNS OUT IT CONSISTED OF SEVERAL THINGS INCLUDING
OLEIC ACID, AS USED IN MY CLEANER/OXIDATION REMOVER.
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Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke.
Engineer
Years ago in the UK I recall napalm was also called "jellied petrol",
i.e. a sticky gasoline. The question is, what was the jelly?
Cheers,
Roger
Jim Mueller
I've heard that you can make something like napalm by disolving styrofoam
in gasoline. I think the hard part would be a delivery system. Since an
ordinary mortal can't drop it from a plane, how could you get it to
spread effectively?
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Mike McGinn
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:45:54 -0800, Engineer wrote:
>
>> On Nov 11, 9:21 pm, dialco...@webtv.net (Bill Turner) wrote:
>
> I've heard that you can make something like napalm by disolving styrofoam
> in gasoline. I think the hard part would be a delivery system. Since an
> ordinary mortal can't drop it from a plane, how could you get it to
> spread effectively?
>
Drop it from an RC plane??
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Northe
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:45:54 -0800, Engineer wrote:
>
>> On Nov 11, 9:21 pm, dialco...@webtv.net (Bill Turner) wrote:
>>> THEY HAD A STORY ABOUT GEN. PATTON AND HIS PEOPLE AND THEIR RUN THROUGH
>>> FRANCE. AMONG OTHER THINGS WAS THE DETAILS OF WHAT A NEW WEAPON KNOWN
>>> AS NAPALM CONSISTED OF. TURNS OUT IT CONSISTED OF SEVERAL THINGS
>>> INCLUDING OLEIC ACID, AS USED IN MY CLEANER/OXIDATION REMOVER.
>>> Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke.
>> Years ago in the UK I recall napalm was also called "jellied petrol",
>> i.e. a sticky gasoline. The question is, what was the jelly? Cheers,
>> Roger
>
> I've heard that you can make something like napalm by disolving styrofoam
> in gasoline. I think the hard part would be a delivery system. Since an
> ordinary mortal can't drop it from a plane, how could you get it to
> spread effectively?
During the Viet Nam action, I seem to remember that the official name
was Jellied Gasoline -- the term Napalm was used by the anti-war
activists. At one point my mechanized infantry unit was supporting
flame tracks -- armored personnel carriers with flame throwers -- and I
watched them mix up a batch of jellied gasoline by adding a powder to
gasoline and stirring well.
Here's a reference on Napalm:
<<http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/webprojects2001/wright/coverpage.htm>>
According to it, the original formula (and I assume what was used in
Viet Nam) was a mixture of a powdered aluminium soap of naphthalene with
palmitate (hence napalm). Napalm itself, is a jelly obtained from the
salts of aluminium, palmitic or other fatty acids, and naphthenic acids.
"Modern day napalm uses no napalm at all! (naphthalene or palmitite).
Instead a mixture of polystyrene, gasoline and benzene are used."
Northe
N6KO
Scott W. Harvey
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:45:54 -0800, Engineer wrote:
>
>> On Nov 11, 9:21 pm, dialco...@webtv.net (Bill Turner) wrote:
>>> THEY HAD A STORY ABOUT GEN. PATTON AND HIS PEOPLE AND THEIR RUN THROUGH
>>> FRANCE. AMONG OTHER THINGS WAS THE DETAILS OF WHAT A NEW WEAPON KNOWN
>>> AS NAPALM CONSISTED OF. TURNS OUT IT CONSISTED OF SEVERAL THINGS
>>> INCLUDING OLEIC ACID, AS USED IN MY CLEANER/OXIDATION REMOVER.
>>>
>>> CHECK MY WEBSITE:www.dialcover.com
>>> Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke.
>> Years ago in the UK I recall napalm was also called "jellied petrol",
>> i.e. a sticky gasoline. The question is, what was the jelly? Cheers,
>> Roger
>
> I've heard that you can make something like napalm by disolving styrofoam
> in gasoline. I think the hard part would be a delivery system. Since an
> ordinary mortal can't drop it from a plane, how could you get it to
> spread effectively?
>
Molotov Cocktails. Light the fuse and throw. several of the Anarchist
Cookbook-type publications that were floating around in the late
60s/early 70s time frame had the same styrofoam-in-gasoline recipe. Some
of my friends tried it in a big empty lot a long long time ago. The
dispersion pattern was quite good, with a long-lasting flame.
-Scott
Scott W. Harvey
>
> During the Viet Nam action, I seem to remember that the official name
> was Jellied Gasoline -- the term Napalm was used by the anti-war
> activists. At one point my mechanized infantry unit was supporting
> flame tracks -- armored personnel carriers with flame throwers -- and I
> watched them mix up a batch of jellied gasoline by adding a powder to
> gasoline and stirring well.
>
> Here's a reference on Napalm:
>
> <<http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/webprojects2001/wright/coverpage.htm>>
>
> According to it, the original formula (and I assume what was used in
> Viet Nam) was a mixture of a powdered aluminium soap of naphthalene with
> palmitate (hence napalm). Napalm itself, is a jelly obtained from the
> salts of aluminium, palmitic or other fatty acids, and naphthenic acids.
>
> "Modern day napalm uses no napalm at all! (naphthalene or palmitite).
> Instead a mixture of polystyrene, gasoline and benzene are used."
>
Napalm was actually the DOW chemical trade name for the stuff, and it
actually had commercial uses outside of warfare.
In the late 1970s all traces of that name were reportedly excised from
official military terminology, and Napalm became known as "incendiary gel".
Interesting that the current formulation of this stuff is so similar to
the rogue cookbook formulations of the 1960s radicals:
http://www.tenant.net/Community/steal/steal.html#3.05.4
Perhaps this is done as a way to recycle styrofoam that isn't normally
recyclable.
-Scott
Michael Black
The funny thing is, I can picture a "hint" type filler article in one of
the radio magazines, where they suggest taking some acetone and dissolving
plastic in it (they suggested plastic coffee stirrers), to get a sort of
liquid polystyrene. The problem is I can't remember what the intended
purpose was, the best I can think of is maybe it wsa to make your own
"Airdux" coils, which were commercial air wound coils and the larger ones
had polystyrene support.
Michael
Bill Turner
BARS, EVEN THE SMALLEST ONES.
Pete Bertini
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> The funny thing is, I can picture a "hint" type filler article in one of
> the radio magazines, where they suggest taking some acetone and dissolving
> plastic in it (they suggested plastic coffee stirrers), to get a sort of
> liquid polystyrene. The problem is I can't remember what the intended
> purpose was, the best I can think of is maybe it wsa to make your own
> "Airdux" coils, which were commercial air wound coils and the larger ones
> had polystyrene support.
>
> Michael
>
I've read that homebrew coil dope can be made by dissolving plastic packing
peanuts
in acetone. There are some newer environmental peanut packing that isn't
plastic
based, though.
Pete
Bill M
> AS I REMEMBER, ALL AIRDUX AND OTHER BRANDS OF COILS HAD THE SUPPORT
> BARS, EVEN THE SMALLEST ONES.
Here's my version of homemade 'air-dux'.
http://www.sparkbench.com/homebrew/grebe/cr18.html
This is done with plastic strips cut from a CD case and glopped over
with Duco cement. Takes several coats to build it up. Never tried the
liquid polystyrene trick for this application. It should work well.
Jeffrey D Angus
> Napalm was actually the DOW chemical trade name for the stuff, and it
> actually had commercial uses outside of warfare.
I grew up in Torrance CA, one of the regular sights was seeing the semi-
trucks headed south on Hawthorne Blvd from DOW to the base at Fort McArthur.
Jeff
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Jeffrey D Angus
> There are some newer environmental peanut packing that isn't
> plastic based, though.
Yeah, actually edible. Made with starch. Only in America do they
use food for packing materials.
And it's funny too, the switch to Styrofoam in the first place
was to have packing material that didn't support vermin.
Jeff
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Michael Black
> AS I REMEMBER, ALL AIRDUX AND OTHER BRANDS OF COILS HAD THE SUPPORT
> BARS, EVEN THE SMALLEST ONES.
>
>
You're right. I'm thinking there was some difference between the small
and large coils, but at the moment I can't think of what it might be,
since clearly it isn't the lack of supports.
Michael
Martin Crossley
> Pete Bertini wrote:
>> There are some newer environmental peanut packing that isn't
>> plastic based, though.
>
> Yeah, actually edible. Made with starch. Only in America do they
> use food for packing materials.
>
> And it's funny too, the switch to Styrofoam in the first place
> was to have packing material that didn't support vermin.
>
> Jeff
The new stuff is used in the UK too.
Dissolves in water to make a delightfully gooey mess.
Must be useful for something?
Martin.
Scott W. Harvey
> Pete Bertini wrote:
>> There are some newer environmental peanut packing that isn't plastic
>> based, though.
>
> Yeah, actually edible. Made with starch. Only in America do they
> use food for packing materials.
>
> And it's funny too, the switch to Styrofoam in the first place
> was to have packing material that didn't support vermin.
You know what? I have received several orders from various vendors with
this packing material, which I have later left outside afterward for
prolonged periods. The raccoons wont touch it, and neither do the
skunks. It may be edible, but it's gotta be pretty repulsive in some way
if the critters don't eat it.
-Scott
Michael Black
Isnt't that the description of those army meals, or any emergency food for
that matter? Make it so unappealing that you can be sure it will be
around when you need it.
Michael
William Sommerwerck
> do they use food for packing materials.
We have too much food.
Some years ago there were experiments using popcorn as packing material.
Unfortunately, animals /did/ eat it, especially li'l beady-eyed critters
with long tails.
Michael Coslo
> I've read that homebrew coil dope can be made by dissolving plastic packing
> peanuts
> in acetone. There are some newer environmental peanut packing that isn't
> plastic
> based, though.
Those ones are actually made in the same way that corn puffs are made -
extruding the material under pressure. In many cases using corn. I work
with a fellow who likes to shock people by popping one of those into his
mouth and eating it. I took a bit of one once. They're much better with
the cheesy stuff on them.
- Mike -
Michael Coslo
MRE's are not too bad actually.
- Mike -
Michael Coslo
>> Yeah, actually edible. Made with starch. Only in America
>> do they use food for packing materials.
>
> We have too much food.
There was a show on the Nickleodeon channel in which they spent most of
the show destroying or wallowing in food.
It was a little unnerving for me. In my family immediate and otherwis,
one did not waste food.
- Mike -
Scott W. Harvey
.
>>>
>> Isnt't that the description of those army meals, or any emergency food
>> for
>> that matter? Make it so unappealing that you can be sure it will be
>> around when you need it.
>
>
> MRE's are not too bad actually.
>
According to several of my co-workers who are long-time reservists, The
taste and palatability of these meals has greatly improved over the
years, and information about combining various MREs to improve the
overall flavor has been informally passed around the by servicemembers
for years.
Not too long ago, I encountered a complete multi-volume set of vintage
army cookbooks. Whoever wrote those books had no concept at all as to
how seasonings interact to improve the flavor or what the ingredients
do. They would have been better off purchasing olive-drab versions of
The Joy of Cooking instead.
-Scott