JEFFREY D. ANGUS
Bill Turner
OF THE TYPE USED IN THE BATTERIES FOR THE TRANSOCEANIC. SURELY IT
HASN'T TAKEN THIS LONG FOR THE POST OFFICE TO DELIVER. THE ONLY REASON I
CAN COME UP WITH IS EMBARRASMENT ON YOUR PART.
CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke.
D. Peter Maus
> IT HAS BEEN MORE THAN A WEEK SINCE I SENT YOU A CORRIGATED CARDBOARD BOX
> OF THE TYPE USED IN THE BATTERIES FOR THE TRANSOCEANIC. SURELY IT
> HASN'T TAKEN THIS LONG FOR THE POST OFFICE TO DELIVER. THE ONLY REASON I
> CAN COME UP WITH IS EMBARRASMENT ON YOUR PART.
>
Cool your jets, there, Bubba. I'm still waiting on a check sent out
last Tuesday from St Louis.
Yes, it CAN have taken this long.
Have you forgotten this is the Christmas mailing season?
Randy
wrote:
>IT HAS BEEN MORE THAN A WEEK SINCE I SENT YOU A CORRIGATED CARDBOARD BOX
>OF THE TYPE USED IN THE BATTERIES FOR THE TRANSOCEANIC. SURELY IT
>HASN'T TAKEN THIS LONG FOR THE POST OFFICE TO DELIVER. THE ONLY REASON I
>CAN COME UP WITH IS EMBARRASMENT ON YOUR PART.
Yes mail is slow right now, in fact the post office is currently
having all kinds of problems - some weather related, some staffing
issues, and of course - it is "that time of year"...
I shipped more than 40 packages last week - some were delivered right
away - (even to both coasts) and others appear to have languished in
sorting centers for a couple of days (particularly Memphis). Texas has
definitely been effected (and guess where Jeff is).
I'm sure he'll enlighten us with his usual careful and thorough
analysis once he has it in hand... (never known Jeff to slink away in
the dark... don't figure he'll do it here, either).
best regards...
randy
Jeffrey D Angus
> IT HAS BEEN MORE THAN A WEEK SINCE I SENT YOU A CORRIGATED CARDBOARD BOX
> OF THE TYPE USED IN THE BATTERIES FOR THE TRANSOCEANIC. SURELY IT
> HASN'T TAKEN THIS LONG FOR THE POST OFFICE TO DELIVER. THE ONLY REASON I
> CAN COME UP WITH IS EMBARRASMENT ON YOUR PART.
Are you attempting to get me to accuse you of being an asshat
again Bill?
It ain't here. I haven't received it. Zip, nada zilch.
Did the mule they use for postal service get stuck in the
mud?
What address did you send it to?
I clearly posted the correct mailing address here.
Jeff
--
�Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.�
Frank Leahy, Head coach, Notre Dame 1941-1954
Eddie Brimer
The BILL TURNER self-promoting infomercial continues. Give it a rest
for crying out loud.
Michael A. Terrell
Jeff should just refuse delivery of the piece of crapboard, if Bill
is going to play more of his lame games.
--
Offworld checks no longer accepted!
Michael A. Terrell
From: Bill Turner <dial...@webtv.net> [Add to Address Book]
To: "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: JEFFREY D. ANGUS
Date: Dec 10, 2009 8:34 AM
STICK IT IN YOUR EAR !
CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke.
Bill Turner
Jeffrey D Angus
> IT HAS BEEN MORE THAN A WEEK SINCE I SENT YOU A CORRIGATED CARDBOARD BOX
> OF THE TYPE USED IN THE BATTERIES FOR THE TRANSOCEANIC. SURELY IT
> HASN'T TAKEN THIS LONG FOR THE POST OFFICE TO DELIVER. THE ONLY REASON I
> CAN COME UP WITH IS EMBARRASMENT ON YOUR PART.
It arrived this morning. 11 December 2009, I'll deal with it tonight
or tomorrow and post the results here.
Bill Turner
CARDBOARD BOX.
graham
"Bill Turner" <dial...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:29137-4B2...@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net...
> ITS NOW THE EVENING OF THE 13th, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO LOOK AT A
> CARDBOARD BOX.
... actually, it is the 14th ... yea Jeff, I am sure you don't have
anything more important to do .... ;-)
D. Peter Maus
Underscoring again that this is not about the cardboard, but the
need to piss in someone's wheaties.
Jeffrey D Angus
> "Bill Turner" wrote:
>> ITS NOW THE EVENING OF THE 13th, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO LOOK AT A
>> CARDBOARD BOX.
>
>
> ... actually, it is the 14th ... yea Jeff, I am sure you don't have
> anything more important to do .... ;-)
Sho' nuff. I've been a bit preoccupied with replacing the 1-1/4"
gas line in the store that was 80% rotted out. I'm kind of tired
of having a 5000 sq ft walk in freezer out here. Also, up-grading
the '50s vintage Zinsco circuit breaker panel with new 200 Amp
service. You know, minor things so I can get the Mercantile up
and running and generating income.
That's what I've been doing since last Monday.
I'll post a couple of pictures of that over on the binaries.
And no, I ain't ignoring you Bill. But you missed my Wheaties(tm)
again.
graham
"Jeffrey D Angus" <jan...@suddenlink.net> wrote in message news:hg6n7...@news4.newsguy.com...
> graham wrote:
>> "Bill Turner" wrote:
>>> ITS NOW THE EVENING OF THE 13th, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO LOOK AT A
>>> CARDBOARD BOX.
>>
>>
>> ... actually, it is the 14th ... yea Jeff, I am sure you don't have
>> anything more important to do .... ;-)
>
> Sho' nuff. I've been a bit preoccupied with replacing the 1-1/4"
> gas line in the store that was 80% rotted out. I'm kind of tired
> of having a 5000 sq ft walk in freezer out here. Also, up-grading
> the '50s vintage Zinsco circuit breaker panel with new 200 Amp
> service. You know, minor things so I can get the Mercantile up
> and running and generating income.
>
> That's what I've been doing since last Monday.
>
> I'll post a couple of pictures of that over on the binaries.
>
> And no, I ain't ignoring you Bill. But you missed my Wheaties(tm)
> again.
>
> Jeff
>
> --
... darn lame excuse there Jeff, how dare you put your profit margins
before others ... where is your Christmas spirit? Postpaid!
Bill Turner
Jeffrey D Angus
> I SAY AGAIN, "HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO LOOK AT A CARDBOARD BOX "?
I looked it. I haven't taken pictures or taken the time to review it.
Try and be patient Turner, some of us have a life that includes setting
priorities on what we do with our time.
Bill Turner
US YOUR "OPINION" ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. YOU HAVE SENT TWO EMAILS, EITHER
ONE OF WHICH TOOK MORE TIME THAN THE OPINION CALLED FOR.
Buck Frobisher
"KeyNoteSpeaker" <blanke...@blankblank.com> wrote in message
> What a nasty bastard!
So who died and appointed you judge and jury of all that go on here?
Bill Noble
"Buck Frobisher" <farsi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:6bZVm.5502$Gf3....@newsfe18.iad...
>
> "KeyNoteSpeaker" <blanke...@blankblank.com> wrote in message
>
>> What a nasty bastard!
>
> So who died and appointed you judge and jury of all that go on here?
you know, guys, if you just remained silent and let Jeff post his
observations when he has had time to make an examination, there would be a
lot less invective being spewed here. My experience is that if Jeff says he
will do "X", then X will get done. Is there a rush to know this answer that
requires immediate attention? These are OLD radios we work on - they can
wait.
graham
"Bill Noble" <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message news:hg9n9b$elk$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
... remember who was the first to break the silence.
Michael Coslo
I agree - but that doesn't seem to fit with our little soap opera.
You have to admit, this is now the most watched thread in here. It's
actually turning into an advertisement for the Turner box.....
- Mike -
Bill Turner
buzz
> I SAY AGAIN, "HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO LOOK AT A CARDBOARD BOX "?
How long does it take to throw it in the trash? Lighten up Bill, some
people have priorities in their lives.
Bill Turner
D. Peter Maus
So this really IS about pissing in his wheaties.
Michael Coslo
The visualization of someone peeing in someone else's breakfast is both
disturbing *and* funny.
- Mike -
graham
"Michael Coslo" <mj...@psu.edu> wrote in message news:hggbkt$fg20$1...@tr22n12.aset.psu.edu...
.... breakfast of champions ... and not "POSTpaid ..... General Mills
D. Peter Maus
Which if I'm not mistaken, also comes in a cardboard box.
graham
"D. Peter Maus" <dpete...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:hggggv$vh8$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
.... yes, but not a "CORRIGATED CARDBOARD BOX"
D. Peter Maus
Oooh. DAMN! You're right.
Good save.
Bill M
>>> .... breakfast of champions ... and not "POSTpaid ..... General Mills
>>>
>>>
>> Which if I'm not mistaken, also comes in a cardboard box.
>>
>
> .... yes, but not a "CORRIGATED CARDBOARD BOX"
Ok, you guys know enough about me to know that I do Bill Turner's
website. Jeff Angus is also one of my good net-buddies. Neither one
pays me.
Graham, you can butt out now because you have never done or dealt with
old radio restoration..at least not in this forum.
So, since I seem to have TWO dawgs in this race may I say something
positive about both parties?
If you want a battery box for cheap (it really is POSTPAID, gra)... I
guess you can make your own cheaper out of any pasteboard box. If you
want one made out of wood or masonite ... nothing has been said to
discourage that option.
yeah, Bill T is pissing into Jeff's cornflakes because Jeffy made the
challenge. No biggie. Jeff is busy and his evaluation of the box will
be forthcoming. My crystal ball says Jeff will be, umm, kinda critical
given the relationship - haha.
But Jeff, you have the box in your hands and it really shouldn't take
more than 120 seconds to form an opinion about it and post your
impressions. The longer you wait says that the 'problems' are hard to
identify :)
graham
"Bill M" <radio...@geeeemail.com> wrote in message news:hggs9...@news4.newsguy.com...
.... try to chill Bill, it's all in fun ... and sometimes, more entertaining
than radio restoration ... heaven forbid, that can't be true, can it?
...... ;-)
D. Peter Maus
There are only a two things more entertaining that old radio
restoration.
One requires a change of shoes. The other doesn't.
>
graham
"D. Peter Maus" <dpete...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:hggu24$qu3$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
... my guess is one that pisses in 'Frosted Flakes' and only now, is revealing his stripes!
might not get paid, the big bucks, anymore for wearing the shoes ...
Bill M
> .... try to chill Bill, it's all in fun ... and sometimes, more entertaining
> than radio restoration ... heaven forbid, that can't be true, can it?
In this group? I'd like to think 'radio restoration' is more
entertaining than snide and arcane comments to run down down a guy about
a freaking cardboard box...
I could be wrong.
-Bill
Bill M
>
> ... my guess is one that pisses in 'Frosted Flakes' and only now, is revealing his stripes!
> might not get paid, the big bucks, anymore for wearing the shoes ...
Huh? Who is paying who (the big bucks) here?
Turner sent Jeff a box asking for an opinion. We know how that is going
to come out.
Where do you come up with revealing stripes and big bucks and wearing
the shoes?
Might want to put the crack pipe down before posting, Gra.
-ex
Michael A. Terrell
Or not worth wasting any time on, while there are more important
tasks at hand.
--
Offworld checks no longer accepted!
Bill M
>
> Or not worth wasting any time on, while there are more important
> tasks at hand.
Nothing personal...
Michael A, you haven't ever done any restoration work on old radios
evidenced here so now would be a good time to bow out and leave the 'old
box' argument to those of us to whom it actually matters.
-Bill
John Byrns
"graham" <grah...@comcast.net> wrote:
What pray tell is a "CORRIGATED CARDBOARD BOX"? I have never seen such
an animal, I was under the impression that Bill's box was made of
corrugated paperboard?
--
Regards,
John Byrns
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/
Michael A. Terrell
Why don't you crawl back up Tuner's ass and die?
graham
"John Byrns" <byr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:byrnsj-37D1B2....@news.giganews.com...
.... corrugation is the 'S' shaped portion sandwiched between two cardboard cards
like shipping boxes have, like a lining, cardboard is a cereal box or the end of a
legal pad, no lining
graham
"Bill M" <radio...@geeeemail.com> wrote in message news:hgguv...@news5.newsguy.com...
.... for sure Bill, that is one way to look at it ...
graham
"Bill M" <radio...@geeeemail.com> wrote in message news:hgh09...@news5.newsguy.com...
.... it is all part of the fun Bill .... two pairs of shoes where mentioned as was
cereal .... I parlayed that with a tiger reference to Frosted Flakes as in
a Tiger that wears golf shoes or once wore them ....
Isn't that GREATTTTTTTTTTTT
... pardon me, it's time for another hit .....
Bill M
> .... it is all part of the fun Bill .... two pairs of shoes where mentioned as was
> cereal .... I parlayed that with a tiger reference to Frosted Flakes as in
> a Tiger that wears golf shoes or once wore them ....
>
> Isn't that GREATTTTTTTTTTTT
>
> ... pardon me, it's time for another hit .....
Doood. Will you please give Micheal A a job?. He's a young man, my
age, and hasn't seen the inside of a workplace in about 10-15 years and
I think he needs one to re-establish his credibility, if not his self
esteem.
If not...lets take up a collection to buy him an antique radio.
I'll front 50% of the expense. Maybe you other guys will pitch in.
Michael A, trust me, I'm good for it. Pick out a ~50 dollar radio on
ebay and we brothers will help you along with it.
Just pick one out and say the word Micheal A. You're a smart guy and it
would be good to have you in the loop of old radio discussions.
Bill
Jeffrey D Angus
> HONESTY IS ONE THE PRIORITES HE DOESN'T HAVE.
What the F*** is your problem Turner? I thought I made it
clear I have stuff that needs attending to right now.
I'm trying to get a general store up and running. In
addition to the service upgrades, I have to deal with a
bunch of vendors, state and government agencies and view
of not making any money until I get the doors open and
the store stocked.
Sorry I haven't had a stroke yet so I can sit around all
day begging people to feel sorry for me and finding ways
to piss people off.
Jeff
--
�Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.�
Frank Leahy, Head coach, Notre Dame 1941-1954
Randy
>But Jeff, you have the box in your hands and it really shouldn't take
>more than 120 seconds to form an opinion about it and post your
>impressions. The longer you wait says that the 'problems' are hard to
>identify :)
I know Jeff posted a few pictures, but not near all of the
"problems"... He sent me one I don't think got posted - and I think
*anyone* seeing it would agree Jeff has "things" he *has* to deal with
before disaster strikes. He mentioned the gas line... Click this
link to see that minor "issue"
http://www.comcents.com/gaspipe.jpg
Now honestly - if you had to choose between evaluating cardboard /
cardboard box - and fixing that pipe... where would your time go? (and
the electrical system was every bit in as much need of attention)...
best regards...
rg...
Bill Turner
SENT INNUMERABLE POSTS ANY ONE OF WHICH COULD HAVE SET THIS STRAIGHT,
THE LATEST IS JUST A COUPLE OF POSTS BACK. OBVIOUSLY MR. ANGUS DOES NOT
WANT TO PUT HIS APPROVAL ON "MY" BOX. I REMIND YOU THAT THE BOX WAS
DEFAMED BY THE SAME MR. ANGUS BEFORE HE EVER SAW IT AND IT MUST BE
DIFFICULT TO CHANGE HIS MIND NOW.
Jeffrey D Angus
> IT HAS BEEN 19 DAYS SINCE I SENT THE BOX, DURING THAT TIME MR. ANGUS HAS
> SENT INNUMERABLE POSTS ANY ONE OF WHICH COULD HAVE SET THIS STRAIGHT,
> THE LATEST IS JUST A COUPLE OF POSTS BACK. OBVIOUSLY MR. ANGUS DOES NOT
> WANT TO PUT HIS APPROVAL ON "MY" BOX. I REMIND YOU THAT THE BOX WAS
> DEFAMED BY THE SAME MR. ANGUS BEFORE HE EVER SAW IT AND IT MUST BE
> DIFFICULT TO CHANGE HIS MIND NOW.
You are undoubtedly the most arrogant self centered obnoxious
bastard I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with Bill.
Now, since it's Saturday morning, I've had time to look at the
damn thing.
I've found a source to buy them direct:
http://www.papermart.com
Product number: 073630 10" x 4" x 2" white kraft tuck top mailer.
$0.45 each in quantities of 100.
This all started with this post from Bill:
> YESTERDAY, FROM A GENTLEMAN WHO QUESTIONED THE ABILITY OF MY
> TRANSOCEANIC BATTERY TO STAND UP AGAINST THE RIGORS OF USE IN THE RADIO.
> I ASSURED HIM OF THE STURDYNESS OF THE CORRIGATED CARDBOARD SEVERAL
> TIMES, BUT HE DIDNT SEEM CONVINCED. AFTER I HAD HUNGUP WITH HIM I
> THOUGHT OF ANOTHER REASON. WHAT DOES HE THINK THE ORIGINAL CASE WAS MADE
> OF PLASTIC OR STEEL? NO, ITS PLAIN OLD CARDBOARD.
http://dialcover.com/zenbatt.jpg $23.00
This is what one of the originals looked like. (Thanks to Phil
for having an image available online.)
http://www.antiqueradio.org/art/ever752.jpg
These are the ones available from Bill Morris:
http://home.comcast.net/~morrised2006/radios/radio6.htm
Now, as to the ruggedness of the box offered by Turner:
Yuppers, its sturdy alright. Typical manufactured folding
mailer. Should be able to withstand considerable amounts
of handling and abuse.
Or you can spend a little bit more and get one that looks
like it belongs in the radio.
graham
"Jeffrey D Angus" <jan...@suddenlink.net> wrote in message news:hgil4...@news5.newsguy.com...
> Or you can spend a little bit more and get one that looks
> like it belongs in the radio.
>
> Jeff
.... yes, but that one is not POSTPAID
Bill Turner
MIGHT POINT OUT THAT THE PRICE QUOTED FOR THE BOXES DID NOT INCLUDE
SHIPPING, WHICH IS CONCEDERABLE BOTH IN GETTING THEM FROM THE SUPPLIER
AND FROM MY HOME TO THE END USER. I HOPE THIS HAS TAUGHT YOU A LESSON ON
HOW NOT TO BAD MOUTH ANYTHING UNTIL YOU HAVE SEEN IT.
D. Peter Maus
> I AM AMAZED AND ASTOUNDED. THE BOX FAIRED WELL IN YOUR EVALUATION. I
> MIGHT POINT OUT THAT THE PRICE QUOTED FOR THE BOXES DID NOT INCLUDE
> SHIPPING, WHICH IS CONCEDERABLE BOTH IN GETTING THEM FROM THE SUPPLIER
> AND FROM MY HOME TO THE END USER. I HOPE THIS HAS TAUGHT YOU A LESSON ON
> HOW NOT TO BAD MOUTH ANYTHING UNTIL YOU HAVE SEEN IT.
>
Amazing. Here he actually did what you asked. What you nagged him
for. AND gave you a favorable review.
AND STILL you can't walk away without taking a shot.
Piece o' work, Bill.
Uncle Ernie in the flesh.
Bill Turner
SERVICE.
buzz
> On 12/14/09 18:12 , Bill Turner wrote:
>> ITS NOW THE EVENING OF THE 13th, HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO LOOK AT A
>> CARDBOARD BOX.
>>
>>
>> CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
>> Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke.
>>
>
>
>
>
> to piss in someone's wheaties.
>
All this vitriol over a simple piece of card board. My, my.
graham
"Bill Turner" <dial...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:29106-4B2...@storefull-3173.bay.webtv.net...
>I AM AMAZED AND ASTOUNDED. THE BOX FAIRED WELL IN YOUR EVALUATION. I
> MIGHT POINT OUT THAT THE PRICE QUOTED FOR THE BOXES DID NOT INCLUDE
> SHIPPING, WHICH IS CONCEDERABLE BOTH IN GETTING THEM FROM THE SUPPLIER
> AND FROM MY HOME TO THE END USER. I HOPE THIS HAS TAUGHT YOU A LESSON ON
> HOW NOT TO BAD MOUTH ANYTHING UNTIL YOU HAVE SEEN IT.
>
... nice spin ... he said the box was sturdy (not made by you) and also said,
for a few bucks more, a better one could be had ... yet Jeff really didn't
bad mouth your box, he bad mouthed you and I don't really think he
needs to see you to do that ... YOUR WORDS SPEAK VOLUMES ...
Me thinks the lesson is lost ....
Jeffrey D Angus
> I AM AMAZED AND ASTOUNDED. THE BOX FAIRED WELL IN YOUR EVALUATION.
Well, it is commercially available from a quality manufacturer. As
opposed to something you cut out and cobbled together in your "shop."
Since all I got was the cardboard box, I didn't make any judgment
on the contents.
> I MIGHT POINT OUT THAT THE PRICE QUOTED FOR THE BOXES DID NOT INCLUDE
> SHIPPING, WHICH IS CONCEDERABLE BOTH IN GETTING THEM FROM THE SUPPLIER
> AND FROM MY HOME TO THE END USER.
Ok, pick pick pick pick.
For 100 boxes, from the manufacturer to Ranger TX, shipping is $12.98.
So, that's $0.39 each for the boxes at a cost of $0.13 each to ship.
Let's see, that is $0.52 each. At your end cost.
As to your shipping cost, you're the one that plays the "Postpaid"
game with level rates where you over charge 1/4th of your customers
to subsidize the cost to the other 1/4th.
> I HOPE THIS HAS TAUGHT YOU A LESSON ON HOW NOT TO BAD MOUTH ANYTHING
> UNTIL YOU HAVE SEEN IT.
The first time you were going on about your battery boxes, you weren't
buying them from a packaging company. You had some cobbled together
piece of crap with a single wall thickness that was spray painted.
(Apparently to cover the original content markings on the recycled
cardboard you used.)
And for the record, I wasn't bad mouthing your box, I was pointing out
the difference between a corrugated cardboard box vs a stiff paperboard
carton wrapped around a solid Masonite filler. And in the process
specified just exactly how corrugated cardboard boxes are rated both
to puncture resistance and deformation.
Elsewhere Mr Personality writes:
> LISTEN NUTCASE, HE STARTED IT ALL BE SAYING THE BOX WAS NOT FIT FOR
> THIS SERVICE.
See above.
Bill Turner
MADE ANY BATTERIES OTHER THAN THE ONES IN CORRIGATED BOXES, I NEVER MADE
ANY BATTERY BOXES IN MY SHOP. I HAVE NOT BEEN IN MY SHOP FOR SOME 4
YEARS WHICH WAS LONG BEFORE I STARTED MAKING BATTERIES. THE CONNECTORS
ARE CUSTOM MADE BY A MACHINEST
Bill Turner
MADE ANY BATTERIES OTHER THAN THE ONES IN CORRIGATED BOXES, I NEVER MADE
ANY BATTERY BOXES IN MY SHOP. I HAVE NOT BEEN IN MY SHOP FOR SOME 4
YEARS WHICH WAS LONG BEFORE I STARTED MAKING BATTERIES. THE CONNECTORS
ANY NUMBER OF SUPPLIERS. THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER PIECES INVOLVED. THE
REASON I HAVE NOT BEEN IN MY SHOP IN 4 YEARS IS I HAD A STROKE THAT
PLACES ME IN A WHEELCHAIR AND ROBS ME OF THE USE OF MY LEFT ARM AND LEFT
LEG.
PLEASE HAVE THE COMMON SENSE TO GET THE STORY STRAIGHT.
Bill Noble
replacement would be a thing desired by enough people to be worth the
effort - something with a Lithium ion or NMH battery that could be
recharged, and a small inverter to produce the required voltages - A lot of
these batteries are in the 3 to 5 volt range, so A battery should be
straight forward, and a simple boost inverter can make B and C (I suppose 22
and 45V right?) It's been a long time since I looked inside a TO, but I
seem to recall a battery that was about 4X4X6 inches, so that can hold
several cell phone batteries, or NiCd batteries and have plenty of room for
a well shielded inverter -- how much current is needed at the different
voltages? What's a reasonable run time before recharging?
"Bill Turner" <dial...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:29128-4B2...@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net...
D. Peter Maus
> so all of this ranting makes me wonder if a solid state modern battery
> replacement would be a thing desired by enough people to be worth the
> effort - something with a Lithium ion or NMH battery that could be
> recharged, and a small inverter to produce the required voltages - A lot
> of these batteries are in the 3 to 5 volt range, so A battery should be
> straight forward, and a simple boost inverter can make B and C (I
> suppose 22 and 45V right?) It's been a long time since I looked inside a
> TO, but I seem to recall a battery that was about 4X4X6 inches, so that
> can hold several cell phone batteries, or NiCd batteries and have plenty
> of room for a well shielded inverter -- how much current is needed at
> the different voltages? What's a reasonable run time before recharging?
That's not a half bad idea.
Shielding is one thing. Filtering is another. Inverters are dirty
enough that a T/O would get noise in the audio from the dirty A/C.
But I like your thinking, here.
Bill Noble
"D. Peter Maus" <dpete...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:hgm5r2$s1d$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
I believe that it is well within the realm of the practical to filter a
switching supply adequately - it's certainly done in a lot of very sensitive
equipment - the techniques are well known. Maybe it's worth an experiment -
I'm not going to try right now, I'm still machining the Christmas gift for
one daughter, but maybe we can work on some specs - let's start with current
and voltage - what is useful? and how long life does it need - is an hour
OK? two?
Bill M
>
>
> I believe that it is well within the realm of the practical to filter a
> switching supply adequately - it's certainly done in a lot of very
> sensitive equipment - the techniques are well known. Maybe it's worth
> an experiment - I'm not going to try right now, I'm still machining the
> Christmas gift for one daughter, but maybe we can work on some specs -
> let's start with current and voltage - what is useful? and how long
> life does it need - is an hour OK? two?
Tony Maher makes something like you describe. Users report that any
noise is barely noticeable.
Here's a link to an old site. There may be something newer.
http://www.portabletubes.co.uk/sitefiles/ausbatt.htm
-Bill M
Bill M
> Bill Noble wrote:
>>
>
>> but maybe we can work on some
>> specs - let's start with current and voltage - what is useful? and
>> how long life does it need - is an hour OK? two?
>
> Tony Maher makes something like you describe. Users report that any
> noise is barely noticeable.
>
> Here's a link to an old site. There may be something newer.
> http://www.portabletubes.co.uk/sitefiles/ausbatt.htm
>
>
> -Bill M
>
More info and additional circuits...
D. Peter Maus
I think you're on to something, here. And an experiment is
definitely in order.
For my own use, a couple of hours would be necessary.
I don't have input requirements offhand. I'll look those up.
Michael Black
> so all of this ranting makes me wonder if a solid state modern battery
> replacement would be a thing desired by enough people to be worth the effort
> - something with a Lithium ion or NMH battery that could be recharged, and a
> small inverter to produce the required voltages - A lot of these batteries
> are in the 3 to 5 volt range, so A battery should be straight forward, and a
> simple boost inverter can make B and C (I suppose 22 and 45V right?) It's
> been a long time since I looked inside a TO, but I seem to recall a battery
> that was about 4X4X6 inches, so that can hold several cell phone batteries,
> or NiCd batteries and have plenty of room for a well shielded inverter -- how
> much current is needed at the different voltages? What's a reasonable run
> time before recharging?
>
But how would you case it?
A) A piece of cardboard?
B) a piece of corrugated cardboard?
C) pot the whole thing in epoxy, with a paper wrapper for that authentic
look?
D) a plastic box, again with the paper wrapper?
E) a light wooden box, again with the paper wrapper?
F) a deluxe super-strong version with a metal case, again with the paper
wrapper?
G) just supply the connector and the module, and let the owner decide
and fuss over the packaging?
Michael
graham
"Michael Black" <et...@ncf.ca> wrote in message news:Pine.LNX.4.64.09...@darkstar.example.net...
Oh, I would go with (B) a piece of corrugated cardboard, I hear that is the BEST ....
Bill Noble
stainless steel case guaranteed to withstand a drop from 500 feet into the
ocean or your money back - (see picture of my mill on my web page, I really
could do this ... :-)
I would expect that power dissipation would be the actual practical
determinant - the skin, whatever it was would have to let the internally
generated heat get out. Paper over aluminum will work well if dissipation
is a watt or two - at at 80% efficiency, that would let you have up to 10
watts of B+ I imagine that is enough
But, Bill M posted some links to existing designs, one of which is a MOSFET
variant of the circuit I have on my web page for driving a CD ignition, so
there may be little need for design inovation. A switching power supply
extracted from a dead LCD monitor would be a great way to get some B+ at
about the right voltage - the fluorescent backlight runs at around the right
voltage and power, and the little supplies are pretty quiet (and about a 1/2
inch square) - if you can find a dead LCD monitor, or a dead scanner, check
the lamp supply and see if it's still alive and you can start experimenting
from there.
"Michael Black" <et...@ncf.ca> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.09...@darkstar.example.net...
Michael A. Terrell
Bill M wrote:
>
> graham wrote:
>
> > .... it is all part of the fun Bill .... two pairs of shoes where mentioned as was
> > cereal .... I parlayed that with a tiger reference to Frosted Flakes as in
> > a Tiger that wears golf shoes or once wore them ....
> >
> > Isn't that GREATTTTTTTTTTTT
> >
> > ... pardon me, it's time for another hit .....
>
> Doood. Will you please give Micheal A a job?. He's a young man, my
> age, and hasn't seen the inside of a workplace in about 10-15 years and
> I think he needs one to re-establish his credibility, if not his self
> esteem.
Wrong, as usual. I have been out of work three years, and on
permanent disability for five years. two of those years were spent
stuck in bed when i couldn't walk without help. There is nothing wrong
with my 'self esteem'. What is wrong is idiots like you who don't
understand what 'disabled' means. Its not the same for everyone. Some
of the most disabled are bigots like you who think other people's health
issues are a joke.
I can stand about two hours a day, but between carpal tunnel and
nerve damage to my wrists I now have trouble holding a lot of tools. I
also have what feels like a constant electric shock up my left arm to my
elbow. The only 'cure' is for them to sever the nerve bundle at my
elbow, leaving the left hand completely useless. Since I need that hand
to use a cane the choice is get rid of the tingle, or be able to walk.
I don't need any more projects right now. My house sat empty for five
years because I wasn't able to climb the couple steps. Now, I have a
lot of repairs to do so it is habitable. I have to remove the bad
furnace. Built a new base cabinet for the kitchen sink, after a small
leak destroyed it. (Damn particle board!) Since I can't match the
cabinet doors, I have to make over 20 new ones. I have about two more
years work to do to make it more handicap accessible or keep living in a
12' * 24' cottage. I know you think it shouldn't take that long, but
you are ignorant of my health even though you make snide remarks and
post empty replies when I mention anything. then you have the balls to
claim, 'Nothing personal'.
> If not...lets take up a collection to buy him an antique radio.
I don't need another project right now. I do need a crank knob for
my National NC183R. The original knob broke when the industrial
shelving the radio was on collapsed. Right now that, and every other
piece of electronics doesn't matter. I'll start looking for a
replacement knob when the home repairs are finished, and the house is
paid off. I figure about six to ten more years, if I live that long.
> I'll front 50% of the expense. Maybe you other guys will pitch in.
> Michael A, trust me, I'm good for it. Pick out a ~50 dollar radio on
> ebay and we brothers will help you along with it.
>
> Just pick one out and say the word Micheal A. You're a smart guy and it
> would be good to have you in the loop of old radio discussions.
At least I can spell my name properly.
I no longer discuss what I'm doing on the group, because someone
always bitches about it. When I tried to give away some equipment &
radios, I caught hell for that. It just isn't worth another headache.
--
Offworld checks no longer accepted!
Michael A. Terrell
Bill Turner wrote:
>
> STICK IT IN BOTH EARS. YOU FORGOT WHAT YOU WROTE TO ME.
No, I haven't. You deserved it, and more. I think I still have the
other e-mails where you called me everything but a white man.
--
Greed is the root of all eBay.
Michael A. Terrell
Some people have no grasp of the real world, Randy. :(
Bill Turner
Bill Turner
ANGUS, HE WAS TOO BUSY TO ANSWER. I WAS PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN HIS
"WHITE MAN" COMMENT JUST TO SEE IF THERE WAS A RACIAL COMPONENT
Bill Turner
Jeffrey D Angus
> FOUR DAYS AND STILL WAITING !
Don't you have anything better to do, say like evicting widows
and orphans from your properties?
D. Peter Maus
> Bill Turner wrote:
>> FOUR DAYS AND STILL WAITING !
>
> Don't you have anything better to do, say like evicting widows
> and orphans from your properties?
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
He HAS gotten more ornery in recent months. Perhaps he's out of
widows and orphans.
Bill Turner
Bill Turner
TAKE IT ANY MORE.
Jeffrey D Angus
> I DON'T HAVE ANY PROPERTIES. YOU GOT IT WRONG AGAIN.
Explain this dick head.
Bill Turner wrote: (Oct. 20, 2003 on ec.antiques.radio+phono)
> I HAVE MY OWN "WELFARE QUEEN" STORY. A MOTHER AND THREE OF HER
> DAUGHTERS ALL RENTED FROM MY RENTAL MANAGEMENT FIRM AT ONE TIME. ALL HAD
> MULTIPLE CHILDREN, NONE WERE MARRIED, ALL WERE TOTALLY ON ADC, FEDERAL
> HOUSING. BILL
Are you that stupid you think we can check up on your BS?
Bill Turner
WAS NO DATE WHEN THIS HAPPENED.
Jeffrey D Angus
> ITS JUST THAT I HAVE GOTTEN SICK OF YOUR TASTELESS BULLSHIT.
> I WON'T TAKE IT ANY MORE.
Thre's a real simple solution Bill. Have a nice cup of shut
the fu** up.
> YOU MADE A MISTAKE AGAIN, THAT WAS OVER 10 YEARS AGO.
> NOTE THAT THERE WAS NO DATE WHEN THIS HAPPENED.
No bonehead, YOU made the mistake of opening your fat mouth.
But of course, I'm certain that in your own mind, what's
left of it, you're always right and it's everyone else that
is the problem around here.
Just remember, when you open yer yap and say something stupid,
I'll be happy to call you on it.
Jeff
PS, I'm surprised you haven't insisted that I return your
cardboard box.
Randy
<jan...@suddenlink.net> wrote:
>PS, I'm surprised you haven't insisted that I return your
>cardboard box.
(ooops... did you leave it near the corner? I was cleaning up after
the Christmas treats the other night - and - well - "the box" might
not be exactly clean any more - in fact I *think* it might be in that
big trash bag by the door that needs to be set out for pick-up---
oooops... ).
rg
Bill Turner
Jeffrey D Angus
> SIX DAYS AND STILL WAITING.
You really don't have anything better to do, do you?
Jeff
Bill Turner
Michael A. Terrell
Jeffrey D Angus wrote:
>
> Bill Turner wrote:
> > SIX DAYS AND STILL WAITING.
>
> You really don't have anything better to do, do you?
>
> Jeff
>
> --
The old SOB can keep waiting. I didn't move any email from my old
computer when the mothboard failed, and it will have to wait until I
finish replacing all the crap CPVC pipe in my house, and build some new
kitchen cabinets that were destroyed by a leak.
For now, here is his admission to sending hate mail:
***********************************************
Subject: Re: what started the flame war here?
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 14:03:45 -0500
From: dial...@webtv.net (Bill Turner)
Organization: WebTV Subscriber
Newsgroups: rec.antiques.radio+phono
References: 1
JUST AS I SUSPECTED, THERE WERE NO TAKERS ON MY REQUEST FOR HATE MAIL
RECEIVERS. THE REASON FOR THAT BEING THAT I SEND "HATE" MAIL ONLY TO
THOSE REQUIRING IT. PEOPLE WHO USE PROFANITY, PEOPLE WHO HAVE A HEAD SO
BIG THEY CAN'T BUY A HAT AND THE LIKE. HOPE MOST OF YOU WILL NOT FAULT
ME FOR THIS.
CHECK MY WEBSITE: www.dialcover.com
Bill Turner, excuse caps, short answers, stroke.
***********************************************
which is ironic, since he hides his 4 oz. brain under a 20 gallon
hat.
Bill Turner
ETC.
Jeffrey D Angus
> I REST MY CASE. SOUNDS LIKE PREVIOUS PROBLEMS OF REPLACING
> IRON PIPE ETC.
Please try to pay attention Mr. Turner.
*I* Was the one with the 1-1/4" black pipe that rotted out
on the back wall of the store. Considering that it was for
the connection to the gas company meter, it was kind of an
important task that took priority for me.
Michael has a plumbing problem, you know, water.... Or more
specifically, water where it shouldn't be. And that's a bit
of a priority to him right now rather than another one of
your stupid pissing contests.
Ya know, with that Lustron home of yours, you can't claim
aliens or the CIA beaming mind control waves into your head
to make you act like a total ass.
Jeff
--
�Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.�
Bill Turner
Jeffrey D Angus
> HAST DU EINE FOGEL ?
Gehen Bumsen sich Sie b�se alte Schei�e.
Danke
Michael A. Terrell
Jeffrey D Angus wrote:
>
> Bill Turner wrote:
> > I REST MY CASE. SOUNDS LIKE PREVIOUS PROBLEMS OF REPLACING
> > IRON PIPE ETC.
>
> Please try to pay attention Mr. Turner.
>
> *I* Was the one with the 1-1/4" black pipe that rotted out
> on the back wall of the store. Considering that it was for
> the connection to the gas company meter, it was kind of an
> important task that took priority for me.
>
> Michael has a plumbing problem, you know, water.... Or more
> specifically, water where it shouldn't be. And that's a bit
> of a priority to him right now rather than another one of
> your stupid pissing contests.
>
> Ya know, with that Lustron home of yours, you can't claim
> aliens or the CIA beaming mind control waves into your head
> to make you act like a total ass.
They put him in that Lustron to minimize leakage to his neighbors.
The emitter is inside the house.
Michael A. Terrell
Bill Turner wrote:
>
> I REST MY CASE.
I'll bet that took two full boxes of Imodium A.D.
Michael A. Terrell
Bill Turner wrote:
>
> I SAY AGAIN, "HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO LOOK AT A CARDBOARD BOX "?
How long does it take to become an inflamed ass like you?
Pete Bertini
"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.t...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:MLidnc0twuDZj9_W...@earthlink.com...
>
>
> How long does it take to become an inflamed ass like you?
>
>
With you giving lessons, not long.
Michael A. Terrell
Yawn, Skippy. Yawn.
Pete Bertini
>
> > Yawn, Skippy. Yawn.
>
Good boy! Jump through another hoop. Your killfile needs
work. Ha ha ha.
Michael A. Terrell
I 'didn't' have anyone on this newsgroup kill filed since I had to
switch computers, Skippy.
Pete Bertini
>
> I 'didn't' have anyone on this newsgroup kill filed since I had to
> switch computers, Skippy.
>
>
Fuck off Mikey. Skippy indeed. You're the one sponging off
the VA and government dole. Cry me another river. You
and Skippy are two peas in a pod. If you were any sort of a
tech you would have fixed the old computer, so no whinny
stories about that again, PLEASE. Once was enough.
Boo hoo, sob sob.