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oldfogie

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May 3, 2006, 11:13:49 PM5/3/06
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I need the rubber tired idler for a RCA 45 rpm RP-190.
RCA number is: 74077, VM # 17173, EV/Game (maybe Walsco) is 1447. And the
mounting plate with idler is RCA 75759.

If anyone has any one of the above, either new-old-stock, or good condition
used (rubber not damaged or hardened) please let me know price wanted.
There are places that re-build them with new rubber, but the price is more
than I want to put into the player.
Thanks, Malcolm

nesesu

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May 4, 2006, 12:18:19 AM5/4/06
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FWIW, Malcolm, I turned a new one from a chunk of Nylatron bar and
grooved it to take 1/8" 'O' rings of the proper ratio of sizes. I bored
the centre to take the 'oilite' bearing from the original and put it
back in the player which then worked perfectly. On the original idler
the rubber was still soft, but no longer 'rubbery' so there was a large
flat from the turntable and a deep dent where the motor shaft was
resting so the table rotation had been "ka-thump-ka-thump".

Neil S.

oldfogie

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May 4, 2006, 5:39:29 AM5/4/06
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"nesesu" <neil_su...@telus.net> wrote in message
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Neil S.
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Good job, Neal. But I don't have the equipment to do that! Wish I did! I
repaired one in the past by gluing a flat VCR belt around the tire,(one a
little smaller than the idler diameter so it has to be stretched to go
around the tire). But the small diameter part of this one is deformed so
that woulddn't work.
Malcolm

Mark Robinson

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May 4, 2006, 8:15:55 AM5/4/06
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Hi Malcolm,

Gary Stork at The Voice of Music can do this.

http://thevoiceofmusic.com/idler.htm

He takes your old idler as a trade in and returns a re-conditioned one to
you. Also give Ed Crockett at Vintage Electronics a call at

601 264-4755

He can supply this part as well.

Mark
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Syl

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May 4, 2006, 8:32:24 AM5/4/06
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"Mark Robinson" <markr...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Hi Malcolm,
>
> Gary Stork at The Voice of Music can do this.
>
> http://thevoiceofmusic.com/idler.htm
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> He takes your old idler as a trade in and returns a re-conditioned one to
> you. Also give Ed Crockett at Vintage Electronics a call at
>
> 601 264-4755
>
> He can supply this part as well.


I thought he just said he did NOT want to pay for an idler restoration.

Syl


Jeffrey D Angus

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May 4, 2006, 8:55:57 AM5/4/06
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Syl wrote:
> I thought he just said he did NOT want to pay for an idler restoration.
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> Syl

He did.

Malcolm wrote;


> There are places that re-build them with new rubber, but the price is more
> than I want to put into the player.

Jeff


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John Goller, k9uwa

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May 4, 2006, 9:51:48 AM5/4/06
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In article <xRm6g.4361$yM....@tornado.socal.rr.com>, jan...@socal.rr.com
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Well lets see now... doesn't want to pay ... and doesn't want to work to do
it himself.... sounds like some other people I know..

there isn't any easy way to rebuild those idlers that I know of..

John k9uwa

oldfogie

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May 4, 2006, 10:25:47 AM5/4/06
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"John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwa...@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message
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In article <xRm6g.4361$yM....@tornado.socal.rr.com>, jan...@socal.rr.com
says...


Well lets see now... doesn't want to pay ... and doesn't want to work to do
it himself.... sounds like some other people I know..

John k9uwa
--------------------------------------------------------------------John, I
don't know where you get the part that I don't want to work to do it
myself! I would be glad to do what Neil did, IF I had a lathe and whatever
else may be required to do that. And the cost for having it rebuilt is
almost as much as I gave for the whole set (45EY3), and i just don't think
it worthwhile to put that much more into it. Sooner or later I will find one
somewhere at a reasonable price.
There was one just on ebay, a used one, I asked and the seller said the
rubber was pretty hard so i didn't get it.
Malcolm


nesesu

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May 4, 2006, 11:02:23 AM5/4/06
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Malcolm, you might try the local High School if it still teaches
anything useful like metal shop. They are often looking for small
projects for the more advanced students. You would need to supply the
materials and a drawing.

Neil S.

Lyndell Scott

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May 4, 2006, 11:34:49 AM5/4/06
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I use a quick and dirty way of restoring idlers that works ok on older
turntables which are not of the highest precision to start with. If you have
access to a drill press, and can find an appropriate sized O ring, then you
can restore yours. This is assuming the rubber on the idler is in a groove
and not moulded to the rim. Actually this type can be restored using this
techique also, by using two different size O rings glued to the rim.

You need an O ring about 3/16 thick and diameter being a little smaller than
the rim for a snug fit. If you can't find one the correct diameter, you can
cut and glue a larger one to the correct size with super glue. Remove the
old tire and mount the O ring on the hub. Position it so there are no twists
or uneven stretching. Use the thinnest super glue around the perimeter such
that it wicks between the rubber and metal. Find a screw of the diameter of
the hole in the idler and insert it into the hole and secure with a nut. If
necessary use a sleeve such as shrink tubing to around the screw to make a
snug fit. Mount the idler in the drill press and set the drill press to its
highest speed. With the drill press running, use about 60 grit sandpaper to
dress the idler to the correct dimensions.

I do not claim this in any way matches the quality of one from a
professional re-builder, but works for most of my applications and satifies
my clients at a minimal cost to them.
--

Lyndell Scott
Audio Antiques
http://home.flash.net/~lfscott/


oldfogie

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May 4, 2006, 1:42:27 PM5/4/06
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"Lyndell Scott" <lfs...@flash.net> wrote in message
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Thanks for info, but that wouldn't work on this one. It is moulded, and has
2 seperate sections of different diameters. Small one contacts the motor
shaft and large one contacts the turntable rim.
Malcolm

John Goller, k9uwa

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May 4, 2006, 3:29:23 PM5/4/06
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In article <v9o6g.32314$t61....@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
oldf...@bellsouth.net says...
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>Malcolm
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Well sorry if I took your post the wrong way Malcolm.. however as to value
on these little RCA players. Nicely restored ones are worth more than
you might think.

See Flea Bay
>http://cgi.ebay.com/Fully-restored-Red-RCA-45-EY-2-Record-Player-45RPM-NR_W0
QQitemZ6623457725QQcategoryZ38034>

that one was a 45-EY-2 ... most don't go that high.. but they do bring
a lot for what they are.

John k9uwa

Gerry

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May 4, 2006, 3:43:55 PM5/4/06
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Funny, I could have sworn there was some sort of chemical you could buy
(from an auto parts store?) that could recondition rubber... Does it
[or did it ever] exist?

Gerry

oldfogie

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May 4, 2006, 4:15:28 PM5/4/06
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"John Goller, k9uwa" <k9uwa...@THISarrl.netSTUFF> wrote in message
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John k9uwa

Man, looks like I need to paint this one red! This one is the complete
player with amp and speaker, cabinet with top lid.
That one wasn't red originally, ha said he had the place that rebuilt it to
paint it red.
If I knew I could get even half that for this one i would be more inclined
to have the idler rebuilt.
Malcolm


oldfogie

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May 4, 2006, 4:16:50 PM5/4/06
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"Gerry" <gerry...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Gerry

There is, but the small section of this idler is distorted out of shape, so
that wouldn't help.
Malcolm


Michael A. Terrell

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May 5, 2006, 7:51:41 AM5/5/06
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Find a local print shop that has a big printing press. They use a
rubber revitalizer on all the rollers to keep them in good condition.
The local shop sells me a quart for $7. I have to take in a glass
bottle with a plastic cap, but if you're careful that will be a lifetime
supply. I used to pay almost that price for a 1/2 oz. bottle of "Friends
Vita-Drive".


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Ken G.

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May 5, 2006, 11:21:25 AM5/5/06
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Another option is to chuck it in a drill press as mentioned or even a
hand drill laying on the bench and grind the hard rubber down just
enough to get it even then superglue a thin vcr belt around it and
rework it in the drill again to remove any glue & even it out . No not
the best either bu it is ``budget``

William B Noble (don't reply to this address)

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May 5, 2006, 8:52:22 PM5/5/06
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I have one good condition phono idler sitting here, no idea what it
fits - saved from some old TT I threw away - if anyone wants it for $6
including shipping, drop me a note - rubber is fine. contact me off
list
Bill

www.wbnoble.com

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instead correct this address and use it

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oldfogie

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"oldfogie" <oldf...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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John k9uwa

Sorry I've been away so long, involved in various things, but I finally gave
in and sent the idlet to Ed Crockett and had it rebuilt.
Thanks to all for replies and suggestions.
Malcolm B.

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