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Lloyd DeMause

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Dec 23, 2009, 3:17:22 PM12/23/09
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The Dow has dropped during December from 10,500 to 10,450.
"The Santa Claus Rally" in the next two weeks will be a drop rather
than a rally. Everyone in the nation is so DEPRESSED! Obama's
ratings have dropped badly, even his amazing triumph of getting an
additional 30 million Americans health insurance is hated. Polls
show support for "The Tea Party" over the Democratic Party.
Growth panic has taken hold. Too much progress. Older people
(with worse childrearing) are completely against everything today.
Lloyd

James Sturges

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Dec 23, 2009, 6:29:59 PM12/23/09
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Obama is making two horrendous blunders ... and neither one has to do with health care.

They are:

1)  Afghanistan escalation ... incredibly bad move, and one that reveals him to NOT be the independent thinker we hoped for; and,
2)  Sticking with the global warming fiasco, which has been revealed as---at best---nothing more than another rip-off by Wall Street wanting to make billions on the "cap and trade" market.

In my opinion, he is creating his own problems. It's starting to remind me of the lost promise of the Carter presidency, when he immediately surrounded himself with nitwits ... taking all the wind out of the hopes that got him elected.

------Jim


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Florian Galler

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Dec 24, 2009, 5:33:34 AM12/24/09
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The Democrats are on the way to achieve an important historic success
despite total opposition and demonization by the Republican
politicians in congress. I expect this to give a blow to our alter
egos and to the agents of our alter egos in congress. Our conscious
personalities should gain confidence at the same time. The Republican
members of congress should slowly become more rational in order to
keep their seats. Our heightened confidence in rational goals (among
which the real existential needs of the broad population) could
release traumatic feeling of rage and anxiety within our minds. So a
firm rational stand in political matters could be accompanied by a
feeling of helplessness and despair. This would lead to a reduction of
our risk preference and therefore to a downswing of economy and
(stock) prices. This probable development of political rationality and
economic depression could be altered if the success in the health
issue would be compensated by equally important defeats in other
rational fields like major setbacks in the peace politics of the Obama
administration.

Florian

Patrick McEvoy-Halston

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Dec 24, 2009, 2:00:11 PM12/24/09
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If you visit the letter sections at Salon.com, you'll note that a hell
of a lot of progressives see little to trumpet in this healthcare
"triumph." Still, I do agree that there is an overall sense that this
very tempered bill looks to be about the last bit of squeeze-through
of liberalism, that we'll see. It is not a triumph of the "volk"--
which is what subsequent healthcare reform might be: part of a
national conversation on purity and illness that will pale any
progressive--but of liberalism. Lloyd's writings on the quick
disappearance of Gingrich and J. McCarthy, will likely prove relevant
again with the tea-baggers, once Obama loses possession of himself and
devotes the rest of his reign to hurting students and poor people.

Note too: students at various universities are seeing their tuitions
rise by 30 percent. It's so colossal an increase, it leaves me
dumbfounded. Salon--a fairly liberal mag--has not had a single essay
on the subject. Seeing liberal baby-boomers fall into/for growth
panic, actually wanting to see representatives of their own striving
selves punished, is going to be something to note, because with them,
we've got some chance of clueing them on to what's happening. Tea-
baggers are lost at sea.

Patrick

James Sturges

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Dec 24, 2009, 2:36:26 PM12/24/09
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Very interesting prediction, Patrick.

However, I do not see it this way myself, as I think Obama's ultimate role is to be crucified -- not to personally preside over the blood sacrifice.  That was the role of GWB/Cheney.

Time will tell who is right. I really appreciate your willingness to try and use PH for predictions.  After all, successful predictions are the hallmark of science.

-j-

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Patrick McEvoy-Halston

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Dec 24, 2009, 5:37:53 PM12/24/09
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We'll certainly be watching, Jim. Thanks for the reminder to consider
another possibility. Hopefully it's not projection, but rather,
intuition, that "informs" my strong sense that this guy will be driven
to revenge himself upon substitutes of the One, who has made him for a
lifetime of Other-obliging. For sure, liberal mags like Salon will
have a hard time resisting not residing with Obama's muscle, in his
success in getting healthcare done. For a good while, I suspect they
will see him with a halo, and more openly discriminate against
"unrealistic," stupidly demanding kin (i.e., other progressives), who
complain about all his compromising. I expect them to exult in
Obama's crushing of scurry tea-baggers, and some will lose themselves
forever in Obama glory. I am expecting I won't be able to communicate
with them for awhile. They just won't be able to see or feel, awash
in chemical heaven. Obviously I think their depression will be
lifting.

For sometime, mags like Salon have repeated over and over again, how
Obama's patience and reasonableness make him the lone adult in a sea
of screaming crazies. This is THE lesson learned in the first year.
HE needed to learn how bad WE all are. We are the bad ones, for not
realizing he was always a centrist, in our expecting him to be our
savior, in our demanding more of him than he could ever have
reasonably be expected to deliver. The energy building feels not so
much for self-sacrifice, but for righteous punishment. "We" (i.e.,
him--Obama) hurt you now, because even the best tempered, have their
tipping point: you are collagens in the blood stream, and we will be
away with you. And with the blood, so we will dance!

Patrick

On Dec 24, 11:36 am, James Sturges <jhstur...@att.net> wrote:
> Very interesting prediction, Patrick.
>
> However, I do not see it this way myself, as I think Obama's ultimate role is to be crucified -- not to personally preside over the blood sacrifice.  That was the role of GWB/Cheney.
>
> Time will tell who is right. I really appreciate your willingness to try and use PH for predictions.  After all, successful predictions are the hallmark of science.
>
> -j-
>

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