we need to recruit more people

[Stephen Cobb]

I am the only person in about 20 miles that has a tank and there is
only 2 in 100 miles of me.... but there are several hobby shops around
here in Tampa florida area So I think I will be taking to the hobby
shops to show it off and try to get some more people intrested.

The local shop here that is the big one is Hobbie Town USA. Maby some
of use could get with hobbie shops and come up with some sort of "tank
starter kit". Maby it could include a 6 channel radio and reciever and
the speed controll and a couple of motors??? anyone have any ideas on
this... If we can some how do this in a way that will keep the cost as
low as possible then maby we can get more people in the game.

What do you guys think???

Steve Cobb
cybers...@gmail.com

[callum.kin...@googlemail.com]

Sounds like a good idea but i doubt we would have much of an influence
on it. Perhaps we may be able to highlight things required for hobby
shops and then they deal with rest???

> cyberslur...@gmail.com

[Gregory Pwneror]

I think I'm the only person from New Zealand. Plus I don't have a tank. I think about 5 people in the Southern Hemisphere have running tanks.

-Gregory

[?]

I would be curious to see just how cheaply such a kit could be put
together... we are essentially combining the hobbies of radio control
modelling and paintball. Both have traditionally been considered small
niche markets, and neither hobby is really a poor man's game...

Ed

On Nov 9, 10:07 pm, Gregory Pwneror <sockles...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think I'm the only person from New Zealand. Plus I don't have a tank. I
> think about 5 people in the Southern Hemisphere have running tanks.
>
> -Gregory
>

> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:45 AM, callum.king.underw...@googlemail.com <

>
>
>
> callum.king.underw...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Sounds like a good idea but i doubt we would have much of an influence
> > on it. Perhaps we may be able to highlight things required for hobby
> > shops and then they deal with rest???
>
> > On 9 Nov, 12:04, Stephen Cobb <cyberslur...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I am the only person in about 20 miles that has a tank and there is
> > > only 2 in 100 miles of me.... but there are several hobby shops around
> > > here in Tampa florida area So I think I will be taking to the hobby
> > > shops to show it off and try to get some more people intrested.
>
> > > The local shop here that is the big one is Hobbie Town USA. Maby some
> > > of use could get with hobbie shops and come up with some sort of "tank
> > > starter kit". Maby it could include a 6 channel radio and reciever and
> > > the speed controll and a couple of motors??? anyone have any ideas on
> > > this... If we can some how do this in a way that will keep the cost as
> > > low as possible then maby we can get more people in the game.
>
> > > What do you guys think???
>
> > > Steve Cobb

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>
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[Mike Måne]

Like Ed mentioned, I do not know of very many people who would have
the eagerness to pursue the time and money-consuming hobby of RC tank
combat. Most hobbyists like just RC stuff or just paintball stuff, but
it takes a unique interest to combine the two. I personally doubt we
could successfully produce starter kits, since people typically do not
search for them. (I still think starter kits take away part of the
emotional attachments to creating your own vehicle too.) Perhaps all
the veteran tankers could combine their experience and their records
and publish a booklet on RC Tank Combat? With enough supporters, and a
good spokesman, perhaps you can find a willing book producer.

--Mike M.

--
-Mike Måne @
http://moonrcprojects.googlepages.com

[Gregory Pwneror]

The main problem I've thought of when thinking of making kitset tanks is how things are going to be put together. RC Paintball tanks need to be pretty sturdy, if you made it out of metal, you'd need to weld it t get the strength. One of the main causes of the cost is the engines too, if someone could get a bunch of good cheap engines and somehow also get cheap batteries, then it may be a reality. If you used the C6C it'd remove most of the cost of a controller too. A book may work too, sell it at hobby conventions and at paintball and RC plane events. The real problem with RC tank combat is that you need competition to play, but to have competition you need a user base, which you won't get without other people to play with, it's a catch-22, also most people will just buy 1:16 scale tanks for $450 instead.

-Gregory

[Cold comfort]

I think the cheapest/ easiest, way to spark intrest would be a article
in a paintball magazine, mens journal or the like. Mens journal
usually has a few small stories on some unique sport or hobby in their
issues. As well like most mags they are always in desparate need of
new material.
Greg

> cyberslur...@gmail.com

[?]

There are smaller, more affordable full function r/c tanks (im sure
youve seen them) that use infa red beams, or even 6mm bbs to to
battle. In major cities there are often small clubs that battle these
tanks indoors a couple nights a month. They usually meet at hobby or
comic book shops so i'd ask around. I personaly agree with cold
coomfort, mens magazines would probably drum up some limited
interest...if you could get them to take some photos at one of the
larger battles. You might even get to meet some pin up types:)

[Mike Måne]

How about Popular Mechanics? Would they be interested?

-Mike M

[Gregory Pwneror]

Yes, we have a club up in Auckland for IR shooting tanks, they came down for Armistice weekend.
Speaking of which, lest we forget those who gave up there lives for us in the Great War, it's Armistice Day today.

-Greg

[Stephen Cobb]

I nominate Steve Tyng for spokesperson. I can go to my local hobby
shop, hobbytown usa and gather the cheapest prices for a starter kit.
i.e. 5 channel radio/reciever, msc, servos, paintball gun, motors...

I would be willing to put a small package togather and ship it to
people only for what I have into it and shipping cost. anyone have any
ideas what would be needed in a starter kit? maby some paper scale
plans for a tiger 1?

The place I buy all my rc stuff is www.hobbytown.com
I live near one so I can go there to pick up parts and they have the
rc guru on hand at all times. And their prices are good.

On Nov 10, 10:59 pm, Gregory Pwneror <sockles...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, we have a club up in Auckland for IR shooting tanks, they came down for
> Armistice weekend.
> Speaking of which, lest we forget those who gave up there lives for us in
> the Great War, it's Armistice Day today.
>
> -Greg
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Mike Måne <mike082...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > How about Popular Mechanics? Would they be interested?
>
> > -Mike M
>

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[Odyssey...@aol.com]

In a message dated 11/11/2009 9:22:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cybers...@gmail.com writes:

maby some paper scale plans for a tiger 1?

might want to consider something simpler (without a turret) such as an Elefant or something like that as it would also give more room inside. it could have some very basic suspension with having each set of wheels on it mounted to a pivot - also another starting point.

 

but what about tracks?

 

Chris,
Odyssey Slipways

[Mike Måne]

How about simply a Panzer or M2 hull? The turrets could possibly be
shipped as a second stage of the kit. Tracks would be difficult. Not
everybody has a wood shop.

-Mike M

> _Odyssey Slipways_ (http://hometown.aol.com/odysseyslipways/index.html)

[Gregory Pwneror]

We could try molded tracks, or maybe just have bolt together wood tracks. Hinge tracks might be too expensive. Conveyor belts might be too expensive. Maybe a TTS might work.

-Gregory

[Chrysanthos Kanellopoulos]

HInges are cheap and you don't need a shop to assemble a track out of them.

Every meter / yard of a hinge track costs around 10 Euros or $ 15 , plus the necessary inox nuts and bolts.

It really  takes a few hours to assemle them with a cordless screwdriver and a key for the nuts, and you can do it in teh evenings in front of your TV set.

Chrys

[Clark Ward Jr]

Like Chrys says, if you buy 2" (51mm) wide hinges in bulk (like $100
worth) they are very affordable. 4" wide ones like for an M48/M60/M1
are a little pricier, but if you're looking at something from WW2 most
tanks and TDs can get by with 2" hinges for tracks.

--
Clark in Georgia

[callum.kin...@googlemail.com]

Seems the general opinion has changed then. Before people where saying
oh no we shouldnt do it and now people are trying to find out prices.
I like the idea but i reckon it needs advertising more than anything.
One of my mates loves the jackal in the british army and wants to
build one but i dont think hes doing it 1/6. THink his will be 1/10

[Gregory Pwneror]

If you got a bunch of cheapish components you may possibly be able to start a workshop for people to make their own over some long period of time, e.g. 1 weekend each week for a year. They could be able to choose the tank they made, that potentially stop the hobby from having 100 Tigers and virtually nothing else.

-Gregory

[?]

In another thread someone suggested that the Sherman is likely the
most recognizable among non tank enthusiasts, no doubt it would be a
good vehicle to offer if kits were produced...

Ed

On Nov 13, 5:51 pm, Gregory Pwneror <sockles...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you got a bunch of cheapish components you may possibly be able to start
> a workshop for people to make their own over some long period of time, e.g.
> 1 weekend each week for a year. They could be able to choose the tank they
> made, that potentially stop the hobby from having 100 Tigers and virtually
> nothing else.
>
> -Gregory
>

> On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 5:38 AM, callum.king.underw...@googlemail.com <

>
>
>
> callum.king.underw...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Seems the general opinion has changed then. Before people where saying
> > oh no we shouldnt do it and now people are trying to find out prices.
> > I like the idea but i reckon it needs advertising more than anything.
> > One of my mates loves the jackal in the british army and wants to
> > build one but i dont think hes doing it 1/6. THink his will be 1/10
>
> > On Nov 12, 12:09 pm, Clark Ward Jr <ki4...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Like Chrys says, if you buy 2" (51mm) wide hinges in bulk (like $100
> > > worth) they are very affordable.  4" wide ones like for an M48/M60/M1
> > > are a little pricier, but if you're looking at something from WW2 most
> > > tanks and TDs can get by with 2" hinges for tracks.
>
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> > > Clark in Georgia- Hide quoted text -

[callum.kin...@googlemail.com]

Perhaps a choice of 2 or 3 would be best to prevent the point above.
100 tigers or 100 shermans. no difference. Either way theres 100
identical tanks. 33 each of 3 models of tank might be better. But more
complicated to set up for sale in first place

[neroc]

What the hobby really needs is more people spending some time
actually building assets or maybe even turning up to some of the
events that are already organised instead of this constant ` what
someone should do ` dribble.
If anyone wishes to advertise the hobby please do so .

Neil R


On Nov 15, 4:33 pm, "callum.king.underw...@googlemail.com"

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