lightest rear rack

[jim_OLP]

Most people seem to be looking for the strongest rear rack they can
find. They're carrying engine blocks down pothole-lined streets, or
crossing Mongolia solo. I want the opposite - the lightest, least
obtrusive rack there is. The rack for minimalists. I want to use a
"trunk' bag but I hate the look of standard rear racks that bolt on to
the dropouts, and I'm never carrying anything at all heavy. Ideally I
want something about 1/3 that weight and complexity. What is out
there?

[PATRICK MOORE]

They do bolt to dropout braze ons, but they are minimal: Tubus Fly: 12 oz (one vendor advertises 11 oz) and carries 20 kilograms. The other end attaches to the seatstay bridge.

They are also very, very stiff: I've carried 45 lb on a lightweight 531 frame without terrifying sway.

If you are carrying light and small loads, why not simply use a saddlebag?

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[eflayer]

do you hate the looks of the Nitto R14. I can understand not being
fond of the price, but what's not to like about the looks. Think it's
petty light too. A little heavier I guess, but not near the bucks,
would be the Pletscher rack at Riv. That one mounts front or rear and
looks damn good enough. After that you might consider a post mounted
rack, or big seat bag. Spend the money, get a Nitto.

http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bags_and_racks?a=1&page=all#product=20-095

[Bruce]

A "hupe?"

http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bags_and_racks?a=1&page=3#product=20-136

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Subject: [RBW] lightest rear rack

[doug peterson]

Jim:

First of all, beware the slippery slope you are about to descend.
Once you've put a rack on one bike, you'll never be able to turn
back. Racks and luggage are addictive, and there's no 12 step program
to get you off them.

If you're as minimalist as you say, look at adapting Mark's rack (from
Riv) to a rear mount and use the small Saddlesack trunk bag or Lil
Loafer. I've used a Nitto (same platform as Mark's) as a saddlebag
support. A small tunk bag will hold wallet, phone, keys, lunch, tube
& levers, and maybe a shell.

The other option if you dis-like the look of a rack is a small saddle
bag such as one from Acorn

http://www.acornbags.com/medbag.html

or others who make bags to mount to the saddle & seat post. Not sure
if Riv still has anything small. Velo Orange may well have some cool
stuff too.

dougP

On Nov 20, 5:15 pm, jim_OLP <j...@landoloons.com> wrote:

[Rene Valbuena]

You can look for the Tubus Airy in titanium. It is sometimes available in
the us through some dealers.

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[JoelMatthews]

Just get a small saddle bag then. The least obtrusive is nothing,
right?

[rswa...@me.com]

You can put those little MAFAC racks on the rear brake, too. That's
about as light as they come.

Ryan

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[usuk2007]

+1 on the saddlebag. A Carradice Barley needs no rear rack on all but
the smallest of bikes and you can use
a Bagman for a larger bag like a Nelson Longflap or Camper.

Here is a link to my setup. I'm carrying everything for an extended
tour and the only rack on the bike is an Expedition Bagman.

http://wheelsofchance.org/2009/08/23/carradice-expedition-bagman-review/


Also I'm not a fan of the "hupe" as it can easily mess up the paint on
the seat stays.

[jim_OLP]

R14 - Nitto is beautiful, but $105 makes it a target for thieves. And
they don't even have a photo showing the entire rack, I couldn't see
how it's actually mounted, I assume those rods go down to the
dropouts...

On Nov 20, 7:30 pm, eflayer <eddie.fla...@att.net> wrote:
> do you hate the looks of the Nitto R14.  I can understand not being
> fond of the price, but what's not to like about the looks.  Think it's
> petty light too.  A little heavier I guess, but not near the bucks,
> would be the Pletscher rack at Riv.  That one mounts front or rear and
> looks damn good enough.  After that you might consider a post mounted
> rack, or big seat bag.  Spend the money, get a Nitto.
>

> http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bags_and_racks?a=1&page=all#prod...

[jim_OLP]

I do have a saddlebag, but it's too small in the winter and it's
canvas, I don't want to soak it. I already have a nylon 'trunk' bag
which is perfectly sized, but I don't need the support of the big
rack.

Nitro R14: too nice, too expensive, a target for thieves. I sometimes
park in dodgy spots.

The "hupe": a saddlbag support, won't work with a rectangular trunk
bag.

Tubus "fly": also very expensive.

Mark's rack - close to what I want, but too expensive, too short
horizontally

Basically the need is for winter, to stow bulky but lightweigh items
like a sweater. I know, I'm being difficult here. I had some dim
memory of Riv making a sort of partially supported rear rack.
Actually I'm thinking about making something myself.

[jim_OLP]

The old MAFAC rack does look interesting if it could somehow merge
with cantilever brakes.

[rswa...@me.com]

On Nov 20, 2009, at 19:58, jim_OLP <j...@landoloons.com> wrote:

> The old MAFAC rack does look interesting if it could somehow merge
> with cantilever brakes.

It can! I've seen it done.
Someone took just the center mount piece off a MAFAC Racer brake,
bolted the little rack to the two bare studs, then bolted the whole
contraption to the seatstay bridge of a cantilever equipped bike.
I wish I could find a photo of it.

Ryan

[Horace]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, jim_OLP <j...@landoloons.com> wrote:

 Tubus "fly": also very expensive.

Well I was going to point out the Tubus Airy, but I guess you wouldn't like that either. Looks like a great rack, though!! I have the Luna, and I think it's great. A little narrow for a trunk bag, but I use panniers.

Horace.

[Bill Connell]

I'd also recommend a large saddlebag, but if you're looking
specifically for a lightweight rack and don't want to spend $100, get
the Pletscher. Aluminum, light, carries enough. Why not?

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[eflayer]

Moots

http://aebike.com/product/moots-tailgator-ti-rear-rack-w-bag-sku-rk1820-qc30.htm

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[eflayer]

Moots

Tailgator Rack and Bag
A must for any rider seeking a lightweight performance rack pack.
With 400 cubic inches and carrying capacity of 5 lbs, this carrying
system provides ample room to store all your essentials.
Two shims are included to fit a range of seatpost diameters.
The custom made tailgator bags come with a durable Hypalon bottom for
added abrasion resistance and securily attaches to our own unique low
profile titanium rack.
Each component comes with a 2 year limited warranty.
WEIGHT: Rack + one shim= 125 grams
Complete System= 400 grams or 13.8 ounces



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> Moots
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> http://aebike.com/product/moots-tailgator-ti-rear-rack-w-bag-sku-rk18...

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[Steve Palincsar]

Actually, I doubt a photo is required. Once you describe it, it's
obvious, and there's only one way it would go together. But -- and this
is a big but -- would a rack truck fit on one? I think it would be too
small. It might work for keeping a seat bag off a tire on a small sized
frame, though.

[James Dinneen]

You can get a mini rack that hangs off the saddle or the seatpost to support a medium or small saddle bag.             Jim D.               Massachusetts --- On Fri, 11/20/09, JoelMatthews <joelma...@mac.com> wrote:

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[PATRICK MOORE]

On 11/20/09, jim_OLP <j...@landoloons.com> wrote:
> I do have a saddlebag, but it's too small in the winter and it's
> canvas, I don't want to soak it.

??? They are (at least the Carradices are) built to take it. I've
carried water in my Nelson with nary a leak -- really. And a Camper is
pretty big.

I already have a nylon 'trunk' bag
> which is perfectly sized, but I don't need the support of the big
> rack.
>
> Nitro R14: too nice, too expensive, a target for thieves. I sometimes
> park in dodgy spots.
>
> The "hupe": a saddlbag support, won't work with a rectangular trunk
> bag.
>
> Tubus "fly": also very expensive.

$100; not too bad. Cheaper than a Camper.

>
> Mark's rack - close to what I want, but too expensive, too short
> horizontally
>
> Basically the need is for winter, to stow bulky but lightweigh items
> like a sweater. I know, I'm being difficult here. I had some dim
> memory of Riv making a sort of partially supported rear rack.
> Actually I'm thinking about making something myself.
>

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[jim_OLP]

Moots - yest that setup looks neat. And the R14 is probably worth the
money. Thanks for the tips.

[charlie]

I plan on building my own lightweight commuter racks for use with
special home made thin panniers and as a bag support.......the front
one will be for mounting lights and a small bag for tools, wallet.
etc. I want to use stainless tubing but may just use light gauge
chrome moly and powdercoat to match my frame. All you need is a tubing
bender, torch and some hand tools.........I have that so.......we'll
see how soon I get them done. ;)

[rswa...@me.com]

>
> On Nov 20, 5:15 pm, jim_OLP <j...@landoloons.com> wrote:
>> Most people seem to be looking for the strongest rear rack they can
>> find. They're carrying engine blocks down pothole-lined streets, or
>> crossing Mongolia solo. I want the opposite - the lightest, least
>> obtrusive rack there is. The rack for minimalists. I want to use a
>> "trunk' bag but I hate the look of standard rear racks that bolt on
>> to
>> the dropouts, and I'm never carrying anything at all heavy.
>> Ideally I
>> want something about 1/3 that weight and complexity. What is out
>> there?

How about this Vetta Rack?
Aluminum and pretty light.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556426@N06/4121848193/
Top struts mount to the usual rear rack mounting spots. The lower
mounts will need braze ons or P clamps.
For sale if anyone's interested.

Ryan

[jim_OLP]

That's sort of what I was looking for, although it looks short front-
to-back. Apparently Vetta no longer makes them?

>
> How about this Vetta Rack?

> Aluminum and pretty light.http://www.flickr.com/photos/7556426@N06/4121848193/

[Garth]

If you want to avoid your legs from hitting the bags of typical
saddlebag set-ups, look at this. http://www.wallbike.com/berthoud/saddlebagrack.html
It's no lightweight champ,but what's not to like?

I see Lon Haldeman uses these on his Bike Friday Bike .
http://community.bikefriday.com/sites/default/files/images/WEB-AF-lon-haldeman-RAAM200.jpg
He also some other type that are similar but I can't make the brand.
http://frank.harvard.edu/~coldwell/bicycle/PBP/photos/lrg/haldeman.jpg

[rswa...@me.com]

About 24x13cm platform.
Rack alone weighs 320g, 440g with the bag-o-hardware that came with it.

Ryan

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[Steve Palincsar]

On Sat, 2009-11-21 at 08:30 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> On 11/20/09, jim_OLP <j...@landoloons.com> wrote:
> > I do have a saddlebag, but it's too small in the winter and it's
> > canvas, I don't want to soak it.
>
> ??? They are (at least the Carradices are) built to take it. I've
> carried water in my Nelson with nary a leak -- really. And a Camper is
> pretty big.

I accidentally ended up with a Carradice full of water, too. I'd bought
a large bottle of seltzer on a ride, drank a small bit, put the bottle
in the bag and didn't check that the top was really screwed down tight.
It wasn't, and the gas pressure opened it. When I looked in the bag a
couple of hours later, I was shocked to see my wallet under several
inches of water. The bag was completely dry on the outside. It took
hours to dry out the wallet...

[EricP]

No "laundered money" doesn't work here. Wish it did. Maybe just
clean cash?

Have used the R-14 and really is nice with a rack bag. But no, maybe
not the thing for a high crime area. Maybe the VO Constructeur
rack?

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

[jim_OLP]

Wow that Berthoud setup looks like something you'd see on a bike
belonging to Hercule Poirot, sitting in front of a 5-star hotel.

On Nov 21, 1:07 pm, Garth <garth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you want to avoid your legs from hitting the bags of typical

> saddlebag set-ups, look at this.http://www.wallbike.com/berthoud/saddlebagrack.html

>  It's no lightweight champ,but what's not to like?
>

> I see Lon Haldeman uses these on his Bike Friday Bike .http://community.bikefriday.com/sites/default/files/images/WEB-AF-lon...

[Steve Vesel]

Sounds like a good project Charlie.

I wanted to do something similar for my protovelo, which has two sets of braze-ons on the seatstays.

I didn't have access to a brazing torch, so in the end I ordered a set of the nitto aluminium rack struts from Riv, and bought a metre of 10mm x 5mm aluminum from my local hardware store. I bent the 5 x 10 into a U shape which forms the "platform" of the "rack". Two holes drilled for the struts, and two at the ends of the U for the upper seatstay mounts, and a fifth at the base of the U to hold the rear mudguard with a 90 degree bracket. The mudguard keeps the bag from contacting the tyre. Total cost about $25 and 45 minutes with a file and drill. Weight is somewhere around 200 grams.

Don't have any pictures of this, but hope the above description makes sense.

Cheers

Stevy


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[Mark]

+1 on the saddlebag. A Carradice Barley needs no rear rack on all but
the smallest of bikes and you can use
a Bagman for a larger bag like a Nelson Longflap or Camper.

Here is a link to my setup. I'm carrying everything for an extended
tour and the only rack on the bike is an Expedition Bagman.


http://wheelsofchance.org/2009/08/23/carradice-expedition-bagman-review/

This takes my vote!!!Nice looking Clive!

Surf

[PATRICK MOORE]

And +1 for the Bagman. I recently installed one on my mountain bike, to keep the Nelson off the tire. Much better than the VO seatpost clamp support.

Surf

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[charlie]

That sounds pretty groovy to me....wow, I hadn't thought about it that
way but what a simple solution. As a bag support or for something to
carry lightweight things like extra clothing it sounds perfect. do you
have any idea how much weight will it hold?
I had planned to do something similar with steel tubing as a bag
support with the option of a bolt on section that could be added for a
small pannier (Berthoud) later on.

On Nov 22, 8:21 pm, Steve Vesel <steveonb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sounds like a good project Charlie.
>
> I wanted to do something similar for my protovelo, which has two sets of braze-ons on the seatstays.
>
> I didn't have access to a brazing torch, so in the end I ordered a set of the nitto aluminium rack struts from Riv, and bought a metre of 10mm x 5mm aluminum from my local hardware store. I bent the 5 x 10 into a U shape which forms the "platform" of the "rack". Two holes drilled for the struts, and two at the ends of the U for the upper seatstay mounts, and a fifth at the base of the U to hold the rear mudguard with a 90 degree bracket. The mudguard keeps the bag from contacting the tyre. Total cost about $25 and 45 minutes with a file and drill. Weight is somewhere around 200 grams.
>
> Don't have any pictures of this, but hope the above description makes sense.
>
> Cheers
>
> Stevy
>
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:54:57 -0800
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: lightest rear rack

> > From: charles_v...@hotmail.com

> > To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>
> > I plan on building my own lightweight commuter racks for use with
> > special home made thin panniers and as a bag support.......the front
> > one will be for mounting lights and a small bag for tools, wallet.
> > etc. I want to use stainless tubing but may just use light gauge
> > chrome moly and powdercoat to match my frame. All you need is a tubing
> > bender, torch and some hand tools.........I have that so.......we'll
> > see how soon I get them done. ;)
>
> > On Nov 20, 5:15 pm, jim_OLP <j...@landoloons.com> wrote:
> > > Most people seem to be looking for the strongest rear rack they can
> > > find. They're carrying engine blocks down pothole-lined streets, or
> > > crossing Mongolia solo.  I want the opposite - the lightest, least
> > > obtrusive rack there is. The rack for minimalists.   I want to use a
> > > "trunk' bag but I hate the look of standard rear racks that bolt on to
> > > the dropouts, and I'm never carrying anything at all heavy.  Ideally I
> > > want something about 1/3 that weight and complexity.   What is out
> > > there?
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[Rene Sterental]

Why do you need the rack?

Consider the following, that doesn't need a rack:

Medium Sackville Saddle-sack: http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bags_and_racks?a=1&page=all#product=20-132

Saddlebag Grip (Nitto): http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bags_and_racks?a=1&page=all#product=20-109

This way, you can easily remove the saddlebag, that will easily fit all your clothes and sutff, when you lock your bike in those high crime areas you mention...

The medium Saddlesack doesn't require a rack.

René

[Steve Vesel]

>how much weight will it hold?

70kg. I sat on it ;-)) . It's not long enough to hang a set of panniers, but I'd be happy to carry whatever I can fit into a rack bag or saddle bag all day. Version 2.0 will have some holes drilled along the sides to use as lashing points. The aluminum polishes up nicely, but it does rub off on the bags, so you might want to wrap it in tape.

Cheers

Steve

> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:41:12 -0800

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