The Official Introduction of RoadeoRosa

[Bill Lindsay]

Here she is.  RoadeoRosa is complete

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53540567348/in/album-72177720313109003/

Frame set: Nobilette built Rivendell Roadeo.  Cantilever posts.  Legolas fork crown.  Cane Creek 40 headset

Wheelset:  HED Ardennes RA Black.  Stampede Pass Extralight tires.  TPU tubes.  12-27 Dura Ace 10sp cassette.  Tune skewers

Drivetrain:  Rene Herse Crankset 46/30.  White Industries Ti 108mm bottom bracket.  Look Keo Carbon Ceramic Pedals.  Dura Ace 7900 F Der, R Der, Down tube shifters.  KMC chain

Components:  Rene Herse cantilevers. Jagwire Elite cables and housing.  Soba Noodle bars.  Nobilette stem.  Campagnolo Athena EPS brake levers (electronics removed).  Dura Ace 7900 seat post.  Fizik Arione 00 saddle

Accessories:  Rene Herse Fenders.  Arundel carbon H2O cages.  Rene Herse pump.  Spurcycle Bell.  Rene Herse UD-2 front rack

total weight 20.2lbs.  9.16kg

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Jim M.]

Great build! That'll be eye-catching on PBP!

jim mather

walnut creek

[Ryan]

Wow...that is elegant. What hubs are you using; didn't see them listed? Have you ridden it yet?

Thanks for sharing the build with us!

[brendonoid]

This is such a wonderful build sir, congratulations.

This is the bike missing from the Riv line-up. A light rando frame with canti posts. So perfect.

[Steven Sweedler]

Agreeing with others, very elegant, and like the cantilever brake choice and the dt shifters. 

Steven Sweedler
Plymouth, New Hampshire

On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 11:40 AM brendonoid <bre...@areyoualert.com> wrote:

This is such a wonderful build sir, congratulations.

This is the bike missing from the Riv line-up. A light rando frame with canti posts. So perfect.

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[Michael Ullmer]

Love that you opted for cantis on this frame. The mix of silver and black components is spot on. 

Did you get the tubing specs from Riv/Mark as well? Curious what was spec'd for this.

[ascpgh]

What a build Bill. 

I said to Leah when she was considering the plunge for some bespoke bits that as you ride more, your experiences forge preferences for particular bike pieces and components. Each part that stands above discrete makes the bike you build or upgrade embody those stories and are a record of your riding like a scrapbook. Those who don't understand won't notice. Those who do will appreciate the richness of detail and see quite a story narrated here.

I get it!

Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh

[Sally Bidleman]

WOW! Amazing and delightful; have fun!

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[Steve]

Abso-F'n-lutely Beautiful !!!   

Go Pink!

[MoVelo]

Bill

Fantastic bike! Congratulations! I hope it is all that you wanted it to be. It certainly has been fun following your postings and I hope that you continue to share your particular thoughts, skills and musings with us in the future.

I've a couple of questions for you.

1) I'm curious about your choosing to mount 700 x 32s on a frame that is definitely capable of wider tires. I understand your desire to keep the bike fendered but still I wonder. I own a Legolas (I understand that you spec'd the Legolas fork) on which I am able to run Rene Herse 700x44s. They are admittedly a tight fit and would not work with fenders, but I am sure a 38 or 35 would. I was pleasantly surprised when I mounted them and they fit. This has now become my defacto allrounder. Some of the RH tires I have run narrow for me and in fact the supposed 44s measure out to 41.8mm. Other RH's I use include 650x42 which measure closer to 38mm width.

2)Related to above, I'm curious about your specing cantilever brakes as opposed to dual pivot or center pulls, both of which, in my experience will clear 42mm wide tires without deflation. The RH cantilevers are elegantly beautiful and if you wanted to use them for no other reasons I totally understand. 

Please continue to keep the flame alive Bill, cause now I know that pink is not only the lightest color but might in fact prove to be faster than orange.

Respectfully yours with wonder, amazement and pride at your musings

James Poulson

from the heartland

[Bill Lindsay]

James asked:  

1. Why 32s instead of something wider.  I've got a large stable of bikes and each has its slot.  This is my "road bike" slot.  It's a totally conventional "road bike" by all contemporary "road bike" standards.  At a 2024 "club ride", I can roll up on this and it'll be weird because it's steel, and lugged, and has cantilevers, and has fenders, but aside from that, it's a straight ahead "road bike".  Also, I did not spec a Legolas fork.  I spec'd a Legolas fork crown.

2.  Why RH cantilevers instead of long reach side pulls.  I decided on Rene Herse cantilevers on this bike because I felt like it (for several reasons).  Me deciding to do that does not mean I think wide-mouth side pulls are inferior.  Lots of my bikes have long reach side pulls

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Toshi Takeuchi]

You did follow Rule 8!  It's not too late to switch to the pink and blue harlequin bar tape :). 

Toshi

[Bill Lindsay]

Toshi

The strange backstory is that I was thinking of a pink bike for a LONG time.  One of the saddle models that just works for me is the Fizik Arione, and there's a great market for them on ebay because they come in colors that don't work on many bikes, so they are cheap as hell second hand.  I stumbled across one in the Rapha Cycle Club 'colorway', which is pink/white/black.  I bought the saddle and commited that I would paint the Roadeo to match the saddle!  Subsequently, as the frame delayed and delayed, I slowly was acquiring lighter and lighter stuff for the build.  I knew I could get close to 20 pounds WITH fenders, front rack, bell, pump, and pedals, so I spent big bucks on the Arione 00 saddle to drop another 90 grams.  I still have the pink, white and black saddle, but it's on a yellow bike now.  Yuck!

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

P.S. there is no good shade of pink cloth handlebar tape.  Newbaums used to have a nice pale pink, but no more.  Boo!

[Matthew Rebmann]

What a stunner!

[George Schick]

It took me a while to figure out the color scheme on this bike, but it finally dawned on my aging memory cells.  It's the same colors of Good N' Plenty candy!

[Jay Lonner]

To me it looks like Baker-Miller pink, aka “Drunk Tank Pink:”

Maybe Bill is seeking to deescalate road rage?

I’m in the process of having a custom built, and the paint scheme is an homage to my old 1968 VW Beetle in Royal Red. The bike is decidedly un-Riv though (one might even say anti-Riv) so maybe not appropriate for further discussion in this forum.

Jay Lonner

Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

On Feb 20, 2024, at 12:58 PM, George Schick <bhi...@gmail.com> wrote:

It took me a while to figure out the color scheme on this bike, but it finally dawned on my aging memory cells.  It's the same colors of Good N' Plenty candy!

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[Bill Lindsay]

It's close, but not quite.  I was going for more of a mineral pink.  

Drunk tank pink is hex  #FF91AF

Mine is   #D7A0A6

Put them side by side on an online color comparator website and drunk tank pink looks like candy and my pink looks more like a rock.  Or maybe like a floral pink compared to a succulent pink.  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ]

Bill

Stunning color, the pink fenders really look overpowering.  The white on the bottom of the front fender really stands out.

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ 

[Bikie#4646]

"Those who do will appreciate the richness of detail and see quite a story narrated here."

So well said Andy.  It doesn't necessarily make us geeks, Maybe curators?

Paul Germain

Midlothian, Va.

On Tuesday, February 20, 2024 at 8:31:40 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

[Steve]

I say it's OK to geek out over bikes - especially if it's a unique Rivendell.  

Steve in Asheville --- Waiting for the official photo shoot glamour pics. 

[Mike Godwin]

Rhodochrosite pink? (MnCO3). I particularly enjoy the stem, with the stem clamp bolt to one side. 

Mike SLO CA

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm running that swank wraparound assymmetric Nobilette stem on three bikes.  :)

Updated photos in the album in full sunlight!

https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720313109003/

Scroll to the end for the newest ones

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[R. Alexis]

Bill,

That bikes looks nice!!!!!! I personally prefer canits over calipers for brakes. My "Road Bike" is my 1987 Schwinn Voyageur touring bike. I do have some actual road bikes with caliper brakes, but prefer cantis. The pink color really looks good. Didn't realize the Rene Herse brakes were that finicky. I thought they employed a wedge washer or something to set the toe in. 

On an unrelated note, really enjoy seeing some of your machining and other projects. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis 

[Robert Blunt]

Bill,

This bike is gorgeous. I am not sure if you responded to the inquiry about what tubeset was used but I would be interested to know. This thing is simply stunning and I am all about the pink bike . I had a pink Bates with diadrant forks at one time which was super cool. Picture attached (file might be too big.

Best,

Robert Blunt

Pennington, NJ

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[Bill Lindsay]

I tried to politely ignore the tubing inquiry.  I didn't ask.  If I did ask I'm sure they would tell me.  As far as I'm concerned it's the same as the previously published numbers.  I dwell on a lot of things.  Tubing diameters, butt thicknesses, butt lengths and transition zones are not among those things I dwell upon.  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Bill Lindsay]

Nobilette just put my garage photo out on his Instagram.  So now it's really out there.  I was going to let the Riv folks do the more public reveal, but whatev...

BL in EC

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Spectacular!

Excellent choice of components, and the ~20 lbs. for the complete build is impressive. And you can't go wrong with pink and black!

Bob E

Cranford, NJ

[Jason Fuller]

Even though I knew what to expect, more or less, I'm still rather blown away by the final result. It came together so perfectly. This is an iconic bike. 

[Russell Duncan]

I’m not a fan of pink but that’s one Wicked Pissah build Bill. Great choice of parts. I’m sure that it rides like a dream. Think Pink as the Fabulous Poodles said:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6rML96V66qs

Russell Duncan

North Platte River Valley, WY and Connecticut River Valley, MA

[John Hawrylak, Woodstown NJ]

Bill

What width RH fenders are you using???  They look to be the Smooth style.

The front and rear fender lines are excellent

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

[Bill Lindsay]

They are the 700c smooth ones intended for 30-34mm tires.  The fender lines are indeed pretty good.  Not totally perfect but close. 

BL in EC

[Bill Lindsay]

A few weeks late, I've managed to get out on a couple "shake down" rides on the RoadeoRosa.  I normally don't need "shake down" rides because my process of pulling builds together has gotten pretty dialed.  This one was a lot more challenging because of the brakes set up.  I had never used Rene Herse Cantilevers and I was experimenting with fancy wheels that are purported to yield superior braking performance.  The shake down rides were aimed at hideous brake squeal.  These Rene Herse brakes are super powerful and super light, but their design is super simple which means they are not "adjustable" in the traditional sense.  You can do things but it's a process where you want to go very slowly in very small steps, and avoid having to un-do anything.  The stakes are high.  Anyway, I plodded through with successful results and came out the other side, learning a few things on the way.  At least for now, that fancy wheel set with the special braking surface is set aside to try on a caliper brake bike.  

I think next weekend, the 16th or 17th, I'll do Mount Diablo Summit #3 for the year, and there's no reason not to do it on the RoadeoRosa.  This weekend I'm doing a 300k on a different bike.  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Jim Kramka]

Hi Bill,

Congrats on dialing in the Rene Herse cantilevers. I have a pair on a Soma Grand Randonneur that squeals. I'd love to know what your protocol was for getting rid of the squeal. I have some ideas but haven't reserved the time to try them out. I'm pretty certain that front-to-back toe-in isn't the issue but maybe it's the top-to-bottom angle at which the pad presses against the rim.

Enjoy the ride!

Jim in Tennessee

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[Robert Blunt]

Bill, I would also love to know. I recently gave up on mine and opted for Paul cantis because of the squeal. I just couldnt figure out how to dial them in but I am also a pretty inept mechanic.

Best,

Rob Blunt

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[Bill Lindsay]

Jim

My assumption from the start was that given how not-adjustable Rene Herse Cantilevers are, the ONLY way I'd even start was on a frame built by a builder who builds frames for these brakes, and who knows those are the brakes I'm going to use.  Given the degree of difficulty I experienced, I will not be backing off that assumption.  

My protocol for these brakes on a Soma would be to first look it over in my work stand for a good long while and decide whether the whole thing is pointless.  After I've looked it over in my stand for a good long while and decided that it's likely going to work, then I'd have to ride the bike and hear what noise(s) we're dealing with.  Different subsystems have different resonant frequencies and give audible clues for what to do next.  

As I said with my bike, one significant mechanical move was to change the rims.  

I don't know if that helps

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Bill Lindsay]

If you gave up on them and consider yourself an inept mechanic, then I think you've probably made the right decision.  Setting these brakes up is a varsity maneuver.  

BL

[Russell Duncan]

I like Bill’s description of a mechanical varsity maneuver for setting up cantilevers. It took me forever back in the day to set up Mafac cantilevers on my Alan cyclocross bike. Trial and error and you may work out how to do it. 

In my experience with cantilever brakes at present  (n=1 bike), I set my Surly Cross Check at first with Avid Shorties. They were noisy especially when they got wet. I then tried V-brakes (something made by Shimano), which were spongy. Maybe I used the wrong levers and I can’t remember which ones. I finally went with Paul Mini-Moto brakes with a stroke adapter. This I did when I decided to use Campagnolo brifters. Paul did an excellent job in designing those, and even though they say they’ll work with Campagnolo levers, they were soft in my experience, finally engaging as the levers were near bottoming out. So, I installed the stroke adapters, which worked like a charm. They are not aesthetically appealing but they worked. 

Russell Duncan

On Mar 9, 2024, at 00:26, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> wrote:

If you gave up on them and consider yourself an inept mechanic, then I think you've probably made the right decision.  Setting these brakes up is a varsity maneuver.  

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[Jim Kramka]

Thanks, Bill. I'm not ready to give up just yet. Originally, I built up the Soma with Tektros and they were okay but I did not like their aesthetic and how they stuck out so far from the frame. The Herse are much more compact and elegant. So I'll buckle down and work through my troubleshooting checklist.

Jim

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