Have you seen the Grand Bois stem/decaleur

[William]

Really tempting eye candy.  Made by Nitto just for Grand Bois.  That would look great on a nice clean randoneuse.  

http://www.compasscycle.com/Stems.html

[Michael_S]

.. these items are certainly beautiful. I'm not sure I want to pay $365 for the set.

Are there any other decaleurs out there besides  VO or Berthoud? 

 

I just got a nice bag from Loyal Designs and I am leaning toward the Berthoud at the moment.

 

~mike

[rperks]

While very nice the new crop, GB and Craft, of brazed stems from nitto
make the lugged stems look like a deal at $165. Lucky for me these
are shorter than I need, 25.4 clamp size is not often in my stable,
and temptation is not a burden.


Rob

[benzzoy]

Although nice, the 25.4 clamp size precludes use with my favorite
handlebar - Soba/Noodle.

Actually, I'm not entirely sure why there is a need for decaleurs. An
ideal design for me would be something like the Acorn Boxy Rando bag
with its velcro straps, coupled to a rack that is sized for the more-
wide-than-long dimensions of such a bag. Except for the too-large
porteur racks, front racks all seem long and narrow, which of course
isn't how the rando bags, from Acorn or otherwise, are sized. A front
bag securely velcro'ed to a completely supportive rack shouldn't move
about nor need a decaleur.

Advantages of a decaleur-free system are many. Off the top of my
head, I can list these:
1. Lower cost from eliminating the decaleur that can cost quite a bit
as we see in this thread.
2. More freedom to change stem or adjust it, if your decaleur is
coupled to the stem.
3. No need to put small holes in your bag.

Am I missing an entire genre of advantages of decaleurs?

-B

[Brett Lindenbach]

most dex are a form of quick-release, you just pick up your bag and walk away.  no need to unstrap it, but at a considerable cost.  btw, i recently purchased a vo headset-mounted dec and didn't like it.  i would be willing to trade or sell it to anyone interested.

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 08:16 -0700, benzzoy wrote:
> Although nice, the 25.4 clamp size precludes use with my favorite
> handlebar - Soba/Noodle.
>
> Actually, I'm not entirely sure why there is a need for decaleurs. An
> ideal design for me would be something like the Acorn Boxy Rando bag
> with its velcro straps, coupled to a rack that is sized for the more-
> wide-than-long dimensions of such a bag. Except for the too-large
> porteur racks, front racks all seem long and narrow, which of course
> isn't how the rando bags, from Acorn or otherwise, are sized. A front
> bag securely velcro'ed to a completely supportive rack shouldn't move
> about nor need a decaleur.
>
> Advantages of a decaleur-free system are many. Off the top of my
> head, I can list these:
> 1. Lower cost from eliminating the decaleur that can cost quite a bit
> as we see in this thread.
> 2. More freedom to change stem or adjust it, if your decaleur is
> coupled to the stem.
> 3. No need to put small holes in your bag.
>
> Am I missing an entire genre of advantages of decaleurs?

You're probably thinking only of a very short bag. Very short bags
don't need much in the way of support on top. A taller bag will flop
around unless it's supported on top, even if it is bolted right to the
rack on the bottom. And you really do not want your front bag flopping
around.

What of a rack with an integral decaleur? Many builders make them.
Again, for a short bag, they probably work ok - at least, for a while.
Trouble is, as BQ had found on at least a couple of tests, the movement
of the bag tends to break the integral decaleur right off.

[James Black]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 08:16, benzzoy <ben...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Actually, I'm not entirely sure why there is a need for decaleurs.  An
> ideal design for me would be something like the Acorn Boxy Rando bag
> with its velcro straps, coupled to a rack that is sized for the more-
> wide-than-long dimensions of such a bag.

Speaking from experience (Acorn bag on a custom made 8" wide rack),
the velco is entirely inadequate to stabilize the bag. My friend and I
designed a custom decaleur with the primary goal of laterally
stabilizing the bag, and it works like a charm.

http://www.appleblock.com/decaleur.php

Although reading your post gave me the idea that I might put some
bigger and stronger velcro on the bag bottom and improve performance
even with the decaleur.

James Black
Los Angeles, CA

[William]

Who sells the Nitto lugged stem for $165?  Riv asks $215 and in my experience they are not marking things up all that much. 

25.4mm is a shortcoming for me as well, but it's a great looking stem. 

[benzzoy]

I concede that I don't load my front bag much since I think I'll still
be fine with a Berthoud Mini 86, which is a very small bag indeed.
Nevertheless, I've not experienced flopping on my Acorn Boxy Rando bag
(yet) and it is attached to the VO constructeur rack with only the
stock Velcro straps and leather band. I'd imagined that with a more
robust and supportive platform, the bag will stay put even with more
load.

-B

On Jul 26, 10:45 am, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 08:16 -0700, benzzoy wrote:
>

> > [snip]

[bicitourist]

toei makes some, but really hard to find.  I have the Loyal Designs bag with a berthoud and the combo works great.

[John Speare]

Yeah. the price and the stem diameter is a deal killer for me.

 

Here's an easy hack for highly-functional and much cheaper decaleur solution:

http://cyclingspokane.blogspot.com/2011/01/rory-bag-hack.html

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:27 AM, bicitourist <ejr...@gmail.com> wrote:

toei makes some, but really hard to find.  I have the Loyal Designs bag with a berthoud and the combo works great.

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[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2011-07-27 at 05:09 -0700, benzzoy wrote:
> I concede that I don't load my front bag much since I think I'll still
> be fine with a Berthoud Mini 86, which is a very small bag indeed.
> Nevertheless, I've not experienced flopping on my Acorn Boxy Rando bag
> (yet) and it is attached to the VO constructeur rack with only the
> stock Velcro straps and leather band. I'd imagined that with a more
> robust and supportive platform, the bag will stay put even with more
> load.

And with a taller bag and a heavier load, look out!

[Michael_S]

The bag I have ( Loyal Designs) is fairly tall and seems unstable without a decaleur. I will probably use the p clip attachment method for the bottom from Peter Weigle. I'm leaning toward the Berthoud design as metal fabrication skills and equipment are somewhat limited. While a simple decaleur seems fairly simple to design, paying a shop to do a one-off will probably exceed the cost of the Berthoud.

 

~mike

[rperks]

http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=0&keyword=nitto+lugged

not sure why they are that much cheeper, it only seems to be on
occasional items.