Testing

[ToddBS]

Haven't gotten anything from this group since the troll episode a few
days back. Just checking to see if it is still here.

[littlecirclesvt.com :: mike beganyi]

Seems to be....

[DrCodfish]

Todd said:
"Just checking to see if it is still here."

I know, the silence is eerie. Caused me to consider mentioning the
latest homebrewed lighting system, or dropping the F word, (you know,
'F' as in
f-e-n-d-e-r-s)

Dr C

[Ingle, Bruce]

> the silence is eerie

http://www.bikesbelong.oli.us/Surveys/fullrecridereport.pdf

Apparently, brevets and randonnees are not considered recreational road
riding events (p. 3). Who knew? :)

- Bruce

[littlecirclesvt.com :: mike beganyi]

Well, I'm hoping to build up a carbon / steel laminated frame with
stainless fenders, a Sheldon 'Real Man' Saddle (with Ti rails to save
some weight), a bamboo fork with Zertz inserts,18h 650b wheels with
Grand Bois tires, electronic shifter controls, carbon bar... Etc.

And I plan on using a compass with paper backup, and running blinkies
front and rear with a helmet light. Panniers too. (No bag loops on the
SRM saddle...)

Can you tell me why we do this again? To what end?

Oh - the medals, food, and the after taste sports drink leaves in the
mouth.

[Steve Palincsar]

On Fri, 2009-11-20 at 10:48 -0800, littlecirclesvt.com :: mike beganyi
wrote:

> Well, I'm hoping to build up a carbon / steel laminated frame with
> stainless fenders, a Sheldon 'Real Man' Saddle (with Ti rails to save
> some weight),

You could save a lot of weight off that saddle by using soapstone rather
than granite, too.

[Bill Gobie]

Lava rock would be much lighter:

http://tinyurl.com/ykcjdjo

Titanium chain mail shorts recommended.

Bill

[Greg Merritt]

> Lava rock would be much lighter:

> Titanium chain mail shorts recommended.

I can ride it just fine in regular street pants once it's been treated
with Proofide.

-Greg

[Ian Hennessey]

> Todd said:
> "Just checking to see if it is still here."
>

I thought this was another off-topic discussion. 'Testing' is UK slang
for time-trialling (contre le montre).

IanH
ukcyclist.co.uk

[NickBull]

I just sent a query to the contact person asking why they excluded
brevets and randonnees.

Maybe they are too hard to count as "recreation"? "You ride your bike
how far? You must be nuts!"

[NickBull]

Kate Scheider of "Bikes Belong" replied as follows:

Hi Nick,

Thanks for your e-mail. In designing the survey, we decided to be very
specific with the type of rides we were including due to limited time
and resources. Unfortunately, this meant that we had to exclude
numerous categories of events that have large and important impacts on
their own, in order to keep the survey at a manageable size. Hopefully
in the future we will repeat the survey, and we will absolutely
consider expanding it to randonnees and brevets. The fact that an
organization exists around randonnees will assist us in including
those events. Including more types of cycling events will only help
us make a better case for bicycling.

Thanks for getting in touch. I really appreciate the feedback.

-Kate

Kate Scheider
Research & Statistics Coordinator
Bikes Belong
P.O. Box 2359 Boulder, CO 80306

ka...@bikesbelong.org
p/ 303.449.4893 x7
f/ 303.442.2936

Bikes Belong: Putting More People on Bicycles More Often

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 07:14 -0800, NickBull wrote:
> I just sent a query to the contact person asking why they excluded
> brevets and randonnees.
>
> Maybe they are too hard to count as "recreation"? "You ride your bike
> how far? You must be nuts!"

More likely they had no idea they existed or didn't know where to look
for them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

[Greg Merritt]

You'd think, eh?

However, the report lists them exclusively as excluded events.

-Greg

[Greg Merritt]

Er, I mean "lists them explicitly" -- they also excluded other
non-randonneuring events, so their exclusions are not exclusively
brevets. ;)

-Greg

[Lynne Fitz]

they also excluded club rides - my club puts in excess of 100 riders
on the road most Saturday mornings, year round. It looks like the
types of recreational rides they included all had the criteria of
fundraisers, event rides, and tours. You know, ones that cost a lot
and have fairly major support and permit requirements.

On Nov 23, 10:31 am, Greg Merritt <greg.merr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Er, I mean "lists them explicitly" -- they also excluded other
> non-randonneuring events, so their exclusions are not exclusively
> brevets. ;)
>
> -Greg
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Greg Merritt <greg.merr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You'd think, eh?
>
> > However, the report lists them exclusively as excluded events.
>
> > -Greg
>

> > Le Nov 23, 2009 à 9:56, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> a écrit :
>
> >> More likely they had no idea they existed or didn't know where to look

> >> for them.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Randon Nerd]

Just THINK of how the dollars spent on cycling-related activities
number would have increased had they included randonneuring events.
It'd probably be twice the amount included in the current report. :-)

Willie

[NickBull]

Well, probably not twice :-) Total mileage on brevets and randonees
in 2009, so far, among events posted on the Randonneurs USA website,
is more than 2.1 million miles with 2,218 participants in more than
550 events. So including our events would bump her event total by a
third, and leave her participant total nearly unchanged. If each
randonneur spends an average $2k per year on bike-related stuff and
rando-related travel expenses, then that's another $4.4 million, which
is around 1 percent of her total dollars. Slightly more than a
footnote. I just thought it was odd that not only were they aware of
brevets, but also that they explicitly decided not to include them.

On Nov 23, 11:33 pm, Randon Nerd <randonn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just THINK of how the dollars spent on cycling-related activities
> number would have increased had they included randonneuring events.
> It'd probably be twice the amount included in the current report. :-)
>
> Willie
>