Tingling toes?

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Joe Gross

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Aug 28, 2007, 4:14:29 PM8/28/07
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I had some occasional issues during PBP with the inside tips of my big
toes getting pressure and becoming painful if I forgot to wiggle my
feet frequently.

Since PBP I've had the ends of my big toes tingly to the touch. I've
never had this happen before but I've also never spent so long on the
bike. So far it's not improving in the last few days.

Is this a common occupance? For those who have had it happen before is
this something that goes away on its own or have I possibly caused
some real damage that needs to be addressed?

Thanks,

Joe

bill mattinson

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Aug 28, 2007, 4:20:00 PM8/28/07
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Joe;

I had similar feelings in my feet and hands after PBP '03. It didn't go away
until Christmas but my docs assured me that damaged nerves take a long time
to come back. They were right.

Bill Mattinson
Sonoma County, CA

Phil Chadwick

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Aug 28, 2007, 4:23:56 PM8/28/07
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On Aug 28, 9:20 pm, "bill mattinson" <billm...@sonic.net> wrote:
> Joe;
>
> I had similar feelings in my feet and hands after PBP '03. It didn't go away
> until Christmas but my docs assured me that damaged nerves take a long time
> to come back. They were right.

It's quite common, and it is indeed a sign of (non-permanent) nerve
damage. The mending time depends on the severity and other factors.
Can be days, weeks or months. After LEL 2001 I couldn't turn the
ignition on by car with my right hand for a couple of months. It's a
good incentive to get hand/feet issues resolved for next time :)

Phil

Helen Deborah Vecht

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Aug 28, 2007, 4:36:32 PM8/28/07
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Joe Gross <jgr...@stimpy.net>typed

> Thanks,

This sounds like the nerves to your toes have been squashed by your
metatarsal heads (which were squashed by your shoes).

Sometimes these squashed nerves recover fine over time, sometimes the
nerves thicken as they recover, forming a neuroma. This thicker bit of
nerve and fibrous tissue is then more easily squashed by the foot bones,
causing long-term pain and/or numbness.

It's very early days yet. I'd suggest wearing loose slippers or going
barefoot as much as possible over the next few weeks and avoiding tight
shoes altogether. (I'd suggest women avoid high heels too, but that's
probably not an issue for you!)

Injured nerves recover at about half to one millimetre per day, so I'd
wait a couple of months before getting too worried.

--
Helen D. Vecht: helen...@zetnet.co.uk
Edgware.

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Aug 29, 2007, 10:34:06 AM8/29/07
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I also have the "usual" tingling toes post PBP symptoms. I also had
the usual on-ride needles-in-the-feet feelings that came and went
during the ride. Most people will also have some numb fingers for
weeks to months.

However, I'm dealing with an extreme weakening in my left arm that
also occured after my Davis 600K. During the ride my neck and shoulder
muscles got extremely sore (not unusual right?) but other than the
discomfort (which was addressed with regualr Ibuprofen doses) I had no
symptoms that affected riding. After the ride - actually back on the
plane to SFO - I started to develop symptoms of an extreme loss of
strength and range of motion in my left arm - IE i can't raise my
left arm past my chest in any direction and I have close to zero
strength in it.

Yesterday I saw a neurologist (same one i saw after this happened on
the 600K) and I am now scheduled for two tests next week - some
electrical stimulation test and a CAT scan. An MRI may be next if they
don't get enough info from these two tests. Very weird and creepy.
It's obviously related to spme pressure occuring on some yet unknown
nerve/disc/etc but there has been no change in my riding position, etc
and this only started since the Davis 600k. The only change I have
made to my bike is the change in bars to the Nitto Noodle with it's
slightly swept back bar but I don't think it could be that significant
a change. I have very good padding on my bars (I'm the guy with the
Cinelli grippos on the bar).

How weird. What other sport gives you an opportunity to take exotic
tests and become a subject of medical research after events!!!

Joel

Lisa Susan McPhate

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Aug 29, 2007, 12:24:57 PM8/29/07
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I have numbness on the inside of the tips of both my large toes,
too. I have had it for almost 3 years now. My doctor had told me
not to expect it to necessarily return and that the damage may turn
out to be permanent. It has actually been getting better in the past
few months, so I am optimistic that it may return to normal.
Fortunately, the numbness doesn't really bother me at all.

Lisa

Mark

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Aug 29, 2007, 7:02:59 PM8/29/07
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The tips of my thumb and first two fingers on both hands are still
tingling today, although I have improvement on my right hand; It's
bothersome, but I am able to play guitar, so there doesn't seem to be
any lasting damage. Re feet, using custom orthotics and wide toe box
shoes (sidi mega in my case) resolved any foot problems severl years
ago and I have not had foot problems on either PBP I've ridden. On
Pac tour, severa people had actually cut open the toes of their
cycling shoes to create 'sandals.'

Mark

On Aug 28, 1:14 pm, Joe Gross <jgr...@stimpy.net> wrote:

nate a.

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Aug 30, 2007, 10:44:44 AM8/30/07
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After the Cascade 1200 last year, I didn't get full feeling back to my
feet for about 4.5 months. I saw a specialist and he suggested a
larger shoe that would allow for the swelling of the feet during such
a long event (first he suggested that I don't stay on my bike for that
long and I had to try to explaing the sport of randonneuring to him -
he didn't get it). He also suggested custom orthotics. So I got some
larger Sidis and the custom orthotics and had no numbness issues
during our spring series or the 1000k I rode this summer.

Nate
Portland, Oregon

The Wolff Den

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Aug 30, 2007, 1:29:29 PM8/30/07
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I've had my share of numb toes or other painful foot issues since joining the Randon community as well.

I was skeptical about it, but since switching to SPD sandals for the long rides (and especially the wet ones) I've had no further foot/shoe issues to deal with.

They work great for me.

MW


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Aug 30, 2007, 1:32:31 PM8/30/07
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Spencer Klaassen

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Aug 31, 2007, 8:05:45 AM8/31/07
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On Thursday, Aug 30, 2007, at 12:29 America/Chicago, The Wolff Den
wrote:

>
> I've had my share of numb toes or other painful foot issues since
> joining the Randon community as well.
>
> I was skeptical about it, but since switching to SPD sandals for the
> long rides (and especially the wet ones) I've had no further foot/shoe
> issues to deal with.
>
> They work great for me.
>
> MW
>
>
I agree with the SPD sandals 100%. I got the idea from our local
Kansas City RBA (Bob Burns) after having a lot of problems with
swollen, hot and sometimes numb feet. I had a terrible problem with
hot foot on any ride longer than 80 miles.

The only problem that I had was solved by always wearing socks with the
sandals. I would sometimes get blisters or a sunburn if I didn't wear
socks. Now I just look like a dork but my feet are never a problem.

Oh, by the way, if you ever have to do a lot of walking after bonking
or cramping, I can walk for miles in my Lake sandals.

Regards,
Spencer Klaassen
St Joseph, MO

Joe Gross

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Sep 5, 2007, 9:34:32 PM9/5/07
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Thanks, everyone, for the replies. It's good to know I'm not alone
with this issue.

The good news for me is that the toes no longer tingle, they're just
numb now although they get better every day. I *think* this is an
improvement. At least I don't have to worry about my shoes hurting
them anymore. :)

Joe

Greg

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Sep 5, 2007, 10:47:55 PM9/5/07
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This is an expensive solution, but consider getting a pair of custom
road shoes such as Rocket 7. I have a pair and have never gotten
numbness or tingling. You can specify a larger toe cage, can ask that
the cleat holes be moved back to take the strain off the balls of the
feet, etc.

True, keeping feet dry in road shoes is tougher than in SPD sandals,
but I've only ridden once through 4 days and 3 nights of rain, so I'll
give myself time to come up with a solution for wet socks.

Greg

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