Parallel project management application discussions between this group
and my Houston Rails group induced me to download redMine yesterday
and test it out for a bit.

To be honest, being that redMine is an open-source Rails based
application, I am surprised that it is not getting more love
throughout the Rails community.  I think it is a nice little app.

I posted a full review on our blog here:

http://www.locomotivation.com/comments/redmine_rails_based_open_sourc...

I have also been looking for a new Project Management Application to  
replace my current Trac setup. I have been writeing a little report  
on my instigation http://wiki.mylesbraithwaite.com/Ideas/
ProjectManagementAndBugTracking

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Myles A. Braithwaite
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my...@monkeyinyoursoul.com

On 27-Jul-07, at 12:44 PM, Jim Mulholland wrote:

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Myles,

Nice summary.  activeCollab is another that I have thought about
trying.  Are they moving to a closed source, hosted paid model?

On Jul 27, 11:52 am, Myles Braithwaite <my...@monkeyinyoursoul.com>
wrote:

I am afraid that they might... there has been a few post alluding to  
that on there forum.

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my...@monkeyinyoursoul.com

On 27-Jul-07, at 1:11 PM, Jim Mulholland wrote:

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Hey guys,

First, I also use redmine and I think it is really good. At least it has
also a wiki per project, which is a must (I think)

A project having more than how many developers need a project management
tool?

How much of rails developers use Linux as their OS?

And lastly, I know I opened this discussion before but still I do not
find any tool to draw good ER diagrams in Linux. The softwares mentioned
before, like Dia, are not good enough in practice. My solution for
today, is, unfortunately, to draw Class diagram via argoUML and act like
it is an ER diagram.

Thanks in advance

Mustafa Ekim
System Analyst - ITS Company - Turkey

On 27 Jul 2007, at 18:31, Mustafa Ekim wrote:

A Wiki is about as useless as a Gantt chart unless you use it  
correctly and make sure the client uses it as well, IMHO.

I don't think it's the number of developers that count, it's the  
number of days work needed to bring the project to completion. If  
there is more than one day of work involved, I think the project is  
of sufficient complexity to need managing in a more structured way  
than email by the developer(s) even if only one person is involved on  
each side of the client/developer relationship.

No hard figures, but OS X has a very high uptake amongst Rails  
developers compared to general OS X market penetration. I personally  
think that Windows users are likely in the minority within this part  
of the developer community, but I have no figures to support me in  
that assertion.

Well, you've got a weekend in front of you haven't you? We look  
forward to seeing what you produce! :-D

Seriously, I know what you mean. I'm on OS X so can use OmniGraffle  
when I need to. Personally, I'm not sold on ER diagrams - I can quite  
happily work out what is going on with nothing more than some  
migrations, or schema.rb and app/models - I think ER diagrams and the  
like actually slow down development.

--
Paul Robinson

Software R&D :: Unix/Linux :: Consultancy :: Open Source :: Comms
http://vagueware.com :: p...@vagueware.com :: +44 (0) 7740 465746

Vagueware Limited is registered in England/Wales, number 05700421
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Correspondence:   55 Velvet Court, Granby Row, Manchester, M1 7AB

One or more developers should require a project management tool.

About 50% personally. My Desktop and Servers all run Linux but my  
Laptop runs Mac OS X.

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Myles A. Braithwaite
Monkey in your Soul - http://miys.net
my...@monkeyinyoursoul.com

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On Jul 27, 2007, at 14:25 , Myles Braithwaite wrote:

Agreed absolutely on that. Also if there is a client involved - which  
I know is a trick answer but if there is a client, there is a need to  
document scope and effort.

All of our servers are Debian machines, with OS X on the client side.

-- Mitch

Myles Braithwaite escribió:

+1 here: even when working solo I find very useful to have a system for
tracking tickets and documentation.

+1 here too: linux for my desktop and servers and MacOSX on my laptop,
running XP over Parallels for IE testing.

Greetings,
   Raul Murciano

Have you tried IE4Linux yet almost everyone at the Caffe is talking  
about it.

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Monkey in your Soul - http://miys.net
my...@monkeyinyoursoul.com

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Myles Braithwaite escribió:

Yep, I successfully tested IE4Linux, but I eventually must test some
desktop applications over Windows, so I finally bought Parallels: I find
it very useful to test installers on different configurations and to
take system snapshots.

Greetings,
   Raul Murciano

I too am using linux for my desktop and servers and Mac OS X laptop.
I share my keyboard and mouse between my Ubuntu desktop and Mac laptop
via <a href="http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/">Synergy</a> which is
highly recommended if any of you have not tried it yet.  It is a
simple way to share keyboard/mouse plus cut/paste across different
OS's without a KVM switch.

On Jul 27, 1:50 pm, Raul Murciano <r...@murciano.net> wrote:

ER modeling is essential. Check out Data Architect at thekompany.com.
A free demo version is easily installed if you apt-get install
automatix.

Linux rules. I run OS X on my laptop, Windows on my big screen but
Kubuntu on my workhorse PC.

Best,
Mike Pence

On 7/27/07, Raul Murciano <r...@murciano.net> wrote:

I believe a project management tool should be used whenever it will help
communicate between team members.  I use one just for myself because I
tend to lose track of what still needs to be done on a larger project.

I use it on all my systems.  I tried to use OSX but didn't fit right for me.

Eric Davis
http://theadmin.org

Someone here mentioned <http://retrospectiva.org/> which looks like a
trac clone but written using rails.  I'm excited about it because I
really like trac, but don't have the time to pick up python to enhance
it.

Alex

On Jul 27, 10:11 am, Jim  Mulholland <jim.mulholl...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jul 27, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Myles Braithwaite wrote:

A few tidbits:

* Mantis has been around for a while and I've found it to be quite  
good - stable, the custom fields work well, etc.  It is a bit clunky  
though, the new templating hasn't been completed yet and I'm not sure  
if its going to be ready for the upcoming v1.1.

* ActiveCollab v1.0 will be a *huge* change from the earlier  
releases.  They're moving to a development model similar to SugarCRM  
with a free core program and then commercial addons to do any of the  
really good functionality.  The earlier releases are still available  
under GPL, but it sounds like they'll pale in comparison to v1.0.

* http://www.retrospectiva.org/ is another option - it's a fork of  
the collaboa code and is under active development.

Personally I'm using Redmine for my consulting stuff and am trying to  
move to using it at my day job; I've got a lot of data in Mantis but  
haven't gotten the time together to finish a converter.

--
Damien McKenna - Husband, father, geek.
dam...@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/

Linux on all of my servers (Slack and Ubuntu). My laptop is XP (I was a .NET
developer before Rails) but I'm hoping to get a MacBook in the fall.

On 7/27/07, Eric Davis <edavi...@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't want to open a Linux vs Mac war but I am really surprised with
the Rails community.  one of the core tenets of Rails is Open source.
Why would a Rails developer lock himself to Apple which is not only
closed-source but
also expensive and less powerful then Linux machine?

I've made the switch from Windows to Ubuntu and never looked back.
I am using Ubuntu for both on my desktop and my laptop
My laptop is only 500MB RAM/1.2 GHZ and it's really fast with Ubuntu.

Michael, I migrated from .NET and windows to Rails and Linux.
If you need help installing Ubuntu on your current Windows (side by side),
let me know.

While I am using a Apple Laptop because at the time Apple was the  
only company that was supporting *nix on laptops. I use Linux on my  
Desktops and Servers though.

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Myles A. Braithwaite
Monkey in your Soul - http://miys.net
my...@monkeyinyoursoul.com

On 28-Jul-07, at 1:48 PM, Oren Golan wrote:

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Mustafa, regarding ER diagrams in Linux, I found RailRoad but havn't
tried it.
Take a look and let me know if it helps:
http://railroad.rubyforge.org

On 28 Jul 2007, at 18:48, Oren Golan wrote:

In that case, why did you post that message to a mailing list?

Robinson's conjecture (which I developed on another list):

Any discussion about the benefits of one license, operating system,  
framework, application, methodology or programming language over  
another is a flamewar no matter how ostensibly polite it is.

This list isn't the place for the stale, tired, and frankly boring  
argument over one OS vs another OS.

Thanks in advance for not taking it any further,

--
Paul Robinson

Software R&D :: Unix/Linux :: Consultancy :: Open Source :: Comms
http://vagueware.com :: p...@vagueware.com :: +44 (0) 7740 465746

Vagueware Limited is registered in England/Wales, number 05700421
Registered Office: 3 Tivoli Place, Ilkley, W. Yorkshire, LS29 8SU
Correspondence:   55 Velvet Court, Granby Row, Manchester, M1 7AB

On Jul 28, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Oren Golan wrote:

Because, for the most part, it just works and works well.  And  
TextMate X-)  Your opinion of it being less powerful is strongly  
debatable - OSX bundles with much of the same key OSS that web  
developers need.

--
Damien McKenna - Husband, father, geek.
dam...@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/

On Jul 28, 2007, at 2:25 PM, Paul Robinson wrote:

My desktop image is better than your desktop image! :-P

(apologies for the other reply before I read this one)
--
Damien McKenna - Husband, father, geek.
dam...@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/

On 29 Jul 2007, at 02:12, Damien McKenna wrote:

On a list where I developed the conjecture, others - like you -  
decided to have some fun with me and so I came up with an amendment:

"Any discussion is a flamewar, no matter how ostensibly polite it is"

:-)

Seriously though, this isn't my list, I'm not making the rules, but  
can we agree this is a place for talking about how to make a business  
out of developing in Rails and its best for all of us to avoid the  
"mine is better than yours" genital-staring competitions?

--
Paul Robinson

Software R&D :: Unix/Linux :: Consultancy :: Open Source :: Comms
http://vagueware.com :: p...@vagueware.com :: +44 (0) 7740 465746

Vagueware Limited is registered in England/Wales, number 05700421
Registered Office: 3 Tivoli Place, Ilkley, W. Yorkshire, LS29 8SU
Correspondence:   55 Velvet Court, Granby Row, Manchester, M1 7AB

RailRoad looks like http://visualizemodels.rubyforge.org/ and other
visualizing plugins (they are *all based on DOT language and GraphViz)
in rails but I am happy to hear a new one, may be a better one.

database visualizing plugins are really great tools but especially
whenever I download an open source. I use them to quickly understand the
database layer.

however, whenever I start a new project, I think it is not the right
tool since designing the database should come first, not coding.

Nor do I want to discuss about the operating systems, but I also observe
much, and much more mac os x users in rails community than wherever
else. May be it is like that in other communities also, but I do not
know, or, there is an invisible connection between mac os X and
ruby/ror.

I know that the developers of the ruby language and rails platform use
Mac Os X. May be that is affecting everybody ?