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Jim Mulholland  
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 More options Jul 27 2007, 12:44 pm
From: Jim Mulholland <jim.mulholl...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:44:53 -0000
Local: Fri, Jul 27 2007 12:44 pm
Subject: redMine Project Management Application
Parallel project management application discussions between this group
and my Houston Rails group induced me to download redMine yesterday
and test it out for a bit.

To be honest, being that redMine is an open-source Rails based
application, I am surprised that it is not getting more love
throughout the Rails community.  I think it is a nice little app.

I posted a full review on our blog here:

http://www.locomotivation.com/comments/redmine_rails_based_open_sourc...


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Myles Braithwaite  
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 More options Jul 27 2007, 12:52 pm
From: Myles Braithwaite <my...@monkeyinyoursoul.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:52:39 -0400
Local: Fri, Jul 27 2007 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: [rails-business] redMine Project Management Application

I have also been looking for a new Project Management Application to  
replace my current Trac setup. I have been writeing a little report  
on my instigation http://wiki.mylesbraithwaite.com/Ideas/
ProjectManagementAndBugTracking

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Jim Mulholland  
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 More options Jul 27 2007, 1:11 pm
From: Jim Mulholland <jim.mulholl...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:11:02 -0000
Local: Fri, Jul 27 2007 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: redMine Project Management Application
Myles,

Nice summary.  activeCollab is another that I have thought about
trying.  Are they moving to a closed source, hosted paid model?

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Myles Braithwaite  
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 More options Jul 27 2007, 1:13 pm
From: Myles Braithwaite <my...@monkeyinyoursoul.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:13:49 -0400
Local: Fri, Jul 27 2007 1:13 pm
Subject: Re: [rails-business] Re: redMine Project Management Application

I am afraid that they might... there has been a few post alluding to  
that on there forum.

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Discussion subject changed to "redMine - OS - ER" by Mustafa Ekim
Mustafa Ekim  
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 More options Jul 27 2007, 1:31 pm
From: Mustafa Ekim <ekim.must...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:31:36 +0300
Local: Fri, Jul 27 2007 1:31 pm
Subject: redMine - OS - ER
Hey guys,

First, I also use redmine and I think it is really good. At least it has
also a wiki per project, which is a must (I think)

A project having more than how many developers need a project management
tool?

How much of rails developers use Linux as their OS?

And lastly, I know I opened this discussion before but still I do not
find any tool to draw good ER diagrams in Linux. The softwares mentioned
before, like Dia, are not good enough in practice. My solution for
today, is, unfortunately, to draw Class diagram via argoUML and act like
it is an ER diagram.

Thanks in advance

Mustafa Ekim
System Analyst - ITS Company - Turkey


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Paul Robinson  
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 More options Jul 27 2007, 2:01 pm
From: Paul Robinson <p...@vagueware.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:01:52 +0100
Local: Fri, Jul 27 2007 2:01 pm
Subject: Re: [rails-business] redMine - OS - ER
On 27 Jul 2007, at 18:31, Mustafa Ekim wrote:

> First, I also use redmine and I think it is really good. At least  
> it has
> also a wiki per project, which is a must (I think)

A Wiki is about as useless as a Gantt chart unless you use it  
correctly and make sure the client uses it as well, IMHO.

> A project having more than how many developers need a project  
> management
> tool?

I don't think it's the number of developers that count, it's the  
number of days work needed to bring the project to completion. If  
there is more than one day of work involved, I think the project is  
of sufficient complexity to need managing in a more structured way  
than email by the developer(s) even if only one person is involved on  
each side of the client/developer relationship.

> How much of rails developers use Linux as their OS?

No hard figures, but OS X has a very high uptake amongst Rails  
developers compared to general OS X market penetration. I personally  
think that Windows users are likely in the minority within this part  
of the developer community, but I have no figures to support me in  
that assertion.

> And lastly, I know I opened this discussion before but still I do not
> find any tool to draw good ER diagrams in Linux. The softwares  
> mentioned
> before, like Dia, are not good enough in practice. My solution for
> today, is, unfortunately, to draw Class diagram via argoUML and act  
> like
> it is an ER diagram.

Well, you've got a weekend in front of you haven't you? We look  
forward to seeing what you produce! :-D

Seriously, I know what you mean. I'm on OS X so can use OmniGraffle  
when I need to. Personally, I'm not sold on ER diagrams - I can quite  
happily work out what is going on with nothing more than some  
migrations, or schema.rb and app/models - I think ER diagrams and the  
like actually slow down development.

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Myles Braithwaite  
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 More options Jul 27 2007, 2:25 pm
From: Myles Braithwaite <my...@monkeyinyoursoul.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:25:06 -0400
Local: Fri, Jul 27 2007 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: [rails-business] redMine - OS - ER

> A project having more than how many developers need a project  
> management
> tool?

One or more developers should require a project management tool.

> How much of rails developers use Linux as their OS?

About 50% personally. My Desktop and Servers all run Linux but my  
Laptop runs Mac OS X.

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 More options Jul 27 2007, 2:30 pm
From: Mitch Pirtle <mi...@spacemonkeylabs.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 14:30:45 -0400
Local: Fri, Jul 27 2007 2:30 pm
Subject: Re: [rails-business] Re: redMine - OS - ER

On Jul 27, 2007, at 14:25 , Myles Braithwaite wrote:

>> A project having more than how many developers need a project  
>> management
>> tool?

> One or more developers should require a project management tool.

Agreed absolutely on that. Also if there is a client involved - which  
I know is a trick answer but if there is a client, there is a need to  
document scope and effort.

>> How much of rails developers use Linux as their OS?

> About 50% personally. My Desktop and Servers all run Linux but my  
> Laptop runs Mac OS X.

All of our servers are Debian machines, with OS X on the client side.

-- Mitch


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Raul Murciano  
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 More options Jul 27 2007, 2:50 pm
From: Raul Murciano <r...@murciano.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 20:50:24 +0200
Local: Fri, Jul 27 2007 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: [rails-business] Re: redMine - OS - ER
Myles Braithwaite escribió:

>> A project having more than how many developers need a project management
>> tool?

> One or more developers should require a project management tool.

+1 here: even when working solo I find very useful to have a system for
tracking tickets and documentation.

>> How much of rails developers use Linux as their OS?

> About 50% personally. My Desktop and Servers all run Linux but my Laptop
> runs Mac OS X.

+1 here too: linux for my desktop and servers and MacOSX on my laptop,
running XP over Parallels for IE testing.

Greetings,
   Raul Murciano


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 More options Jul 27 2007, 3:07 pm
From: Myles Braithwaite <my...@monkeyinyoursoul.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:07:17 -0400
Local: Fri, Jul 27 2007 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: [rails-business] Re: redMine - OS - ER

> +1 here too: linux for my desktop and servers and MacOSX on my laptop,
> running XP over Parallels for IE testing.

Have you tried IE4Linux yet almost everyone at the Caffe is talking  
about it.

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 More options Jul 27 2007, 3:35 pm
From: Raul Murciano <r...@murciano.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:35:20 +0200
Local: Fri, Jul 27 2007 3:35 pm
Subject: Re: [rails-business] Re: redMine - OS - ER
Myles Braithwaite escribió:

>> +1 here too: linux for my desktop and servers and MacOSX on my laptop,
>> running XP over Parallels for IE testing.

> Have you tried IE4Linux yet almost everyone at the Caffe is talking
> about it.

Yep, I successfully tested IE4Linux, but I eventually must test some
desktop applications over Windows, so I finally bought Parallels: I find
it very useful to test installers on different configurations and to
take system snapshots.

Greetings,
   Raul Murciano


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 More options Jul 27 2007, 3:57 pm
From: Jim Mulholland <jim.mulholl...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 19:57:30 -0000
Local: Fri, Jul 27 2007 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: redMine - OS - ER