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Mike Pence  
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 More options Jun 7 2007, 1:45 pm
From: "Mike Pence" <mike.pe...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:45:28 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2007 1:45 pm
Subject: Throwing in the towel on your own business
I have been successfully self-employed over the last few years -- the
success part of that equation has been the best over the last year.
But the need for stable income and health benefits has outweighed the
need to be independent for me.

It is great that Rails has become mainstream enough that options
abound. I am sure that I will be missing some of the freedom I have
enjoyed being completely on my own, but who knows what will pop up.

Has anyone else found the medical insurance issue to be a show stopper
for them? Are you one doctor visit and diagnosis away from financial
ruin? I can tell you firsthand that wishful thinking won't pay those
bills...

Best,
Mike Pence
http://mikepence.wordpress.com


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Myles Braithwaite  
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 More options Jun 7 2007, 1:58 pm
From: Myles Braithwaite <my...@monkeyinyoursoul.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:58:39 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2007 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: Throwing in the towel on your own business
Thats what makes Canada so great, I probably be looking for a job if we
didn't have government paid health care. I think thats why there are so
many more indepedent/freelance consultants in the I.T. Industry in Canada.


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Tim Case  
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 More options Jun 7 2007, 1:59 pm
From: Tim Case <tcrai...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:59:01 -0000
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2007 1:59 pm
Subject: Re: Throwing in the towel on your own business
Now this is an important question to discuss, I'm looking for health
insurance as a self employed person.  The cost of insuring yourself
was so high that it's eaten heavily into your business?

What are people paying to insure themselves?

With whom?


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Michael Breen  
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 More options Jun 7 2007, 2:25 pm
From: "Michael Breen" <hard...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:25:12 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2007 2:25 pm
Subject: Re: Throwing in the towel on your own business

I got married ;-)

On 6/7/07, Tim Case <tcrai...@gmail.com> wrote:


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Robert Fischer  
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 More options Jun 7 2007, 2:28 pm
From: Robert Fischer <robert.fisc...@SmokejumperIT.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:28:44 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2007 2:28 pm
Subject: Re: Throwing in the towel on your own business
My wife and I both are self-employed, and we both get insurance for
about $250/month which gives us $1000 coverage, and once that's burnt
out, it's got a $5000 joint deductible, and then coverage up to some
millions.

Robert Fischer
IT Firefighter
Smokejumper Consulting


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Discussion subject changed to "insurance (was Re: Throwing in the towel on your own business)" by Michael D. Ivey
Michael D. Ivey  
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 More options Jun 7 2007, 4:03 pm
From: Michael D. Ivey <michael.i...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 15:03:50 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2007 4:03 pm
Subject: insurance (was Re: Throwing in the towel on your own business)
On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:28 PM, Robert Fischer wrote:

> My wife and I both are self-employed, and we both get insurance for
> about $250/month which gives us $1000 coverage, and once that's burnt
> out, it's got a $5000 joint deductible, and then coverage up to some
> millions.

Not a bad deal.  Care to share who your carrier is?

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Robert Fischer  
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 More options Jun 7 2007, 4:07 pm
From: Robert Fischer <robert.fisc...@SmokejumperIT.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:07:25 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2007 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: insurance (was Re: Throwing in the towel on your own business)
It's the "Simply Blue" plan through "Blue Cross/Blue Shield".

For the record, I have no commercial relationship with them beyond being
a customer, and I haven't had a problem yet so I can't speak to their
customer service.

Robert Fischer
IT Firefighter
Smokejumper Consulting


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Discussion subject changed to "Throwing in the towel on your own business" by Wes Gamble
Wes Gamble  
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 More options Jun 7 2007, 4:41 pm
From: Wes Gamble <we...@att.net>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:41:53 -0500
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2007 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: Throwing in the towel on your own business
I'm paying $125/mo. with Unicare.
Single, 37 year old non smoker.
$2000 deductible/$30 Dr. visit copay
Prescriptions: Generic $10  Formulary $30 Non-formulary $50

As a W2 to most US companies - you'll pay $40 to $70/mo. for your part
of the health insurance, so this doesn't seem too bad.

I could get the monthly payment down under $100 if I increased the
deductible.

Wes


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Dave Myron  
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 More options Jun 7 2007, 5:29 pm
From: "Dave Myron" <dave.my...@eachday.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 14:29:31 -0700
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2007 5:29 pm
Subject: RE: Throwing in the towel on your own business

> Single, 37 year old non smoker.
> $2000 deductible/$30 Dr. visit copay
> Prescriptions: Generic $10  Formulary $30 Non-formulary $50

I wonder what people with families are paying. I'm 28, married with a
1-year-old. We're lucky enough that my wife has the option of staying home
with our daughter (and future children, too, hopefully).

We pay $1200/month! ($500 deductible, which we should possibly consider
bumping up).

Definitely hurts.

Dave


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Jim Mulholland  
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 More options Jun 7 2007, 7:03 pm
From: Jim Mulholland <jim.mulholl...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:03:19 -0000
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2007 7:03 pm
Subject: Re: Throwing in the towel on your own business
I have the same Unicare Plan as Wes on a family plan down here in
Houston.

I'm 33, married, non-smoker, with a 15-month old son and we pay $299 /
month for the 3 of us.

- Jim

On Jun 7, 4:29 pm, "Dave Myron" <dave.my...@eachday.com> wrote:


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Discussion subject changed to "Insurance (was "Re: Throwing in the towel on your own business")" by Damien McKenna
Damien McKenna  
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 More options Jun 7 2007, 9:25 pm
From: Damien McKenna <dam...@mc-kenna.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:25:39 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2007 9:25 pm
Subject: Insurance (was "Re: Throwing in the towel on your own business")
On Jun 7, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Tim Case wrote:

> What are people paying to insure themselves?

I've got a plan with my day-job to cover my wife and I, then an  
independent policy for our two kids as it works out to be $200  
cheaper.  Silly United Healthcare.  Ironically, the independent  
policy is with a subsidiary of United.

What I found, over the few days I researched it, is that almost all  
of the independent policies include a co-insurance clause of 20%,  
meaning that regardless of what they cover you're going to get stuck  
with 20% of the bill.  United was the only company that had plans  
which covered 100% of the bill after the deductible, but their 100%  
plan does not include a co-pay for doctor visits so you're going to  
pay the deductible before you see any return on the investment.

Over the past year my family have gone through about $60,000 of  
medical coverage - I had an appendectomy, my wife broke her thumb on  
my head while playing tag (!!), and then an emergency c-section -  
this would have bankrupt us and is ultimately why I will have a  
regular day job for a long time to come.

--
Damien McKenna - Husband, father, geek.
dam...@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/


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Discussion subject changed to "Throwing in the towel on your own business" by Damien McKenna
Damien McKenna  
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 More options Jun 7 2007, 9:27 pm
From: Damien McKenna <dam...@mc-kenna.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 21:27:45 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jun 7 2007 9:27 pm
Subject: Re: Throwing in the towel on your own business
On Jun 7, 2007, at 4:41 PM, Wes Gamble wrote:

> I'm paying $125/mo. with Unicare.
> Single, 37 year old non smoker.
> $2000 deductible/$30 Dr. visit copay
> Prescriptions: Generic $10  Formulary $30 Non-formulary $50

Do you have to pay co-insurance on that?

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Damien McKenna - Husband, father, geek.
dam...@mc-kenna.com - http://www.mc-kenna.com/


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