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Vahagn Hayrapetyan  
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 More options Mar 22 2010, 4:05 pm
From: Vahagn Hayrapetyan <vaha...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:05:24 +0100
Local: Mon, Mar 22 2010 4:05 pm
Subject: Re: [rails-activism] Rails Activism, where now?

Thanks Gregg, got it.

/ Vahagn

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Gregg Pollack <greggpoll...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey Vahagn,

>    I'm sure any conference would encourage you to come and do coverage.   I
> don't know if anyone is going to be willing to pay you to do conference
> coverage, but if you play your cards right you could probably get a press
> pass.   I recommend emailing the conference organizers with a sample of your
> previous work, maybe some analytics talking about your reach, offer your
> services and politely ask them for a press pass.

> Gregg Pollack
> Envy Labs
> 407-754-5517

> On Mar 22, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Vahagn Hayrapetyan wrote:

> To divert this conversation from Primal Sin, Women, Shame, Blame, and
> Guilt: does anyone know of a Rails conference that could use an experienced
> event blogger who is also a Rails developer? If so, please drop me a line.

> (Blogging from Rails events is an excellent case of activism).

> Cheers,
> Vahagn
> http://xpointy.com/

> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Obie Fernandez <obiefernan...@gmail.com>wrote:

>> Gregg,

>> Thanks for chiming in. I've reached out to Matt via email just now and
>> plan to take a step back away from the issue. Just felt it important
>> to let you know what is being said out there. I was very embarrassed
>> about the way the matter was presented at RubyConf India.

>> Cheers,
>> Obie

>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Gregg Pollack <greggpoll...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I'd like to say a few words about the Rails Activist team and this
>> mailing
>> > list, for those who are interested.
>> > Over a year ago now, I was invited along with Matt Aimonetti, Mike
>> > Gunderloy, and Ryan Bates to be a part of what would become the Rails
>> > Activism Team.  We met up on a weekly basis for a while, and
>> successfully
>> > launched a new wiki with the leadership of Matt Aimonetti.  Since then
>> Ryan
>> > Bates has continued to do a killer job with Railscasts, endlessly
>> educating
>> > Rails developers.  I've released a bunch more Scaling Rails screencasts,
>> > started up the Ruby5 Newscast, flown around to many events to talk about
>> > Rails, continued running the Ruby Hero Awards, and tried my best to keep
>> the
>> > Rails weblog from going stale.
>> > It did suck when Mike Gunderloy left the team because of the #porngate
>> > thing, but in the long run I can only see it as a good thing for our
>> > community.  It empowered him to create Railsbridge which has led to lots
>> of
>> > great initiatives.  I can only wish Mike would have implemented all
>> these
>> > programs while he was still an activist, but I can understand his
>> reasons
>> > for leaving.
>> > It is disappointing to hear that people are still pointing to Matt's
>> > presentation as an example of intolerance of the "Rails community."
>>  Really
>> > what we're talking about is one person (Matt) inadvertently creating an
>> > offensive presentation, and then the perception that the Rails
>> leadership
>> > should have "Punished" him but didn't.   I can't say I'd do the same
>> thing
>> > if I was in their shoes, but I know Matt was deeply troubled by the
>> whole
>> > situation, and it certainly lead to some healthy discussion of tolerance
>> in
>> > our community and how we can bring more women into computer engineering
>> as a
>> > profession.  At this point I don't think anything more needs to be done
>> to
>> > "rectify" the situation, aside from pushing more initiatives like Obie
>> is,
>> > encouraging gender equality.
>> > Now back to this mailing list.  The original intent of this list was to
>> > encourage and help people in their activist efforts.  I'll always do
>> what I
>> > can, whether it's advertise about someone's event/library/blog post on
>> > Ruby5...   or occasionally post to the official weblog, .. or just get
>> > someone in touch with the right person.  Getting involved is usually a
>> great
>> > deal easier then people think, so having a public mailing list is most
>> > certainly useful.   However, if the Railsbridge mailing list is more
>> useful
>> > for general Rail activism, perhaps we should simply push people over
>> there.
>> > Where does that leave the activist team?  I'm not sure.   No one
>> currently
>> > on the activist team has the time to dedicate to new initiatives (me
>> > included).  I really wouldn't care if the group went away, I don't brag
>> > about the title.  In fact, I'd feel less pressure to do stuff if my face
>> > wasn't on that page.  Knowing me I'd probably do more if I didn't feel
>> any
>> > pressure to do it.  LOL..
>> > So...   Where from here?   I'm not sure.  I'm certainly up to
>> > suggestions...
>> > Thanks Obie for getting the conversation going anyhow.
>> > Gregg Pollack
>> > Envy Labs
>> > 407-754-5517
>> > On Mar 21, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Matt Aimonetti wrote:

>> > The team is still here and active, maybe just less visible from the
>> Rails
>> > community.
>> > Obie, if you have any questions, you already have my IM, twitter and
>> email,
>> > feel free to contact me directly.

>> > - Matt

>> > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Ted Han <t...@knowtheory.net> wrote:

>> >> that sounds like a "kill the group" to me, which i would also second.

>> >> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Miles K. Forrest <mil...@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:

>> >>> All the activity seems to be around Rails Bridge, which was started
>> after
>> >>> the whole debacle by Mike Gunderloy who resigned from the Rails
>> Activism
>> >>> leadership because of #porngate.
>> >>> As an outside observer it seem pretty clear to me that this group
>> isn't
>> >>> really relevant.  The irc.freenode.net #railsbridge channel is
>> healthy,
>> >>> helpful, and probably what the Rails Activism group was hoping to
>> become.
>> >>> It seems to me that "the people have spoken".
>> >>>   Miles

>> >>> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 6:09 AM, Obie Fernandez <
>> obiefernan...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:

>> >>>> Roy Singham, Chairman of ThoughtWorks, wielded Matt Aimonetti's
>> >>>> CouchDB debacle (termed #porngate) today at RubyConf India, to
>> >>>> verbally assault the "Rails community." I called him out publicly
>> >>>> during the Q&A for what I considered to be a false distinction
>> between
>> >>>> the communities, but he was speaking primarily of the Rails
>> >>>> "leadership" consisting of DHH for not denouncing the action and (I
>> >>>> suppose) members of this group, since we didn't cast Matt out of it.

>> >>>> I'm pissed. Why is this incident still causing a rift!?!

>> >>>> Also, I guess I had a false memory of Matt resigning from this group,
>> >>>> because from its webpage, it seems he is still part of its
>> leadership.
>> >>>> WTF??

>> >>>> Is this group now dead? I don't see much activity on mailing list. If
>> >>>> the group is dead, it should be torn down. We need action to help
>> bury
>> >>>> #porngate so that it does not continue to be a black mark on the
>> >>>> community and fuel this (arguably false, yet pervasive) view that the
>> >>>> Rails community is against women.

>> >>>> Obie

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