First track played always silent?

[mick ritchie]

Hi

Ive been getting a routine issue when i load qlab and the first time
I go on audio it is silent - then I stop
and start again and it is fine and plays back - Ive been on two jobs
and it was the least of my concerns as I
only boot up once for the day but today i transferred a bundle to a
theatre MBP ( 4 year old like mine Im on a MetricHalo theate using
mac out) and the same thing happenned on two other machines so now im
baffled. Its happenned for a while on at least 5 different projects
so Im wondering if its something anyone else has had -

I'll check console read out and version numbers tomorrow

mick

[Jeremy Lee]

I've found that if you open a show, and subsequently change the audio patch, it won't work properly the first time. I think it loads the first bit, and prepares it to go to either the default output, or none. If you open a show that was created/ edited on the same computer, I don't have this problem. You can likely hit escape instead of go, and then just load it again as well. It's never happened to me on a workspace if I didn't repatch the audio devices.

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Jeremy Lee
Sound Designer, NYC - USA 829
http://www.jjlee.com

[mick ritchie]

Thanks Jeremy I think that is the cause as ive been changing from
interface to interface and job to job and not restting "app prefs"
just workspace prefs so imglad its just user error.

That was my first mail thru google groups and i didnt see my own
message but got your reply so I guess thats good

thanks again

mick

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[Matthieu Gaillet]

I've exactly the same behavior. Probably a small bug to look at.

More generally speaking, I found that working on two machines (one for
the show, one to work on it) isn't as easy as you could expect : you
always need to use the "build bundle" command to ensure all your files
will travel from one machine to another one, leading to make multiple
copies of a same project.

I'd rather love an option to automatically bundle everything each time
you save a project.

[Rich Walsh]

On 22 Nov 2011, at 10:54, Matthieu Gaillet wrote:

> I've exactly the same behavior. Probably a small bug to look at.
>
> More generally speaking, I found that working on two machines (one for
> the show, one to work on it) isn't as easy as you could expect : you
> always need to use the "build bundle" command to ensure all your files
> will travel from one machine to another one, leading to make multiple
> copies of a same project.
>
> I'd rather love an option to automatically bundle everything each time
> you save a project.

I don't think it's a bug, maybe an oversight: if Jeremy is right and what is happening is that the cue you don't hear is being loaded before you set the correct audio patch then perhaps QLab should just reload any currently loaded cues when exiting the Workspace Preferences. This finally explains something I've been pondering for a while - and it only happens to me when moving the workspace between machines with different audio hardware.

It is also possible to manage a workflow where you never have to bundle. If you set up your file structure as a bundle does, ie: a folder containing the workspace and another folder called "audio" (and so on for video, etc, if you need to) then all you have to do is make sure that any new or changed audio files get added to both machines. You can do this manually, or use something like Synkron to reconsolidate the folders. Copy the updated workspace over to the second machine and - once you have fixed the patches - it is ready to go. I have done dozens of shows like this, doing my notes directly on my laptop overnight before updating the workspace in the theatre the next day - and in 2 years I have only ever bundled on the the final Preview to make a new copy of the show that contains just the files that actually made it into the show.

Rich

[Jeremy Lee]

I've not found this to be the case. I just make sure that I make a show folder with my workspace and audio folders inside it. To back up, just drag the main folder to overwrite the one on the backup. Over gigabit Ethernet, even a multi-gigabyte show takes a minute or two to copy over.

Automatically bundling would make quite a mess on the drive. I save often, and can't imagine waiting for a minute or two to do anything each time I save. I do copy the workspace file at every break during tech to a backups folder, as well as to my laptop. I find this all covers me quite well.

Jeremy Lee
- A thumb is a terrible speller. Please forgive my trespasses.

[Jeremy Lee]

Rich,

Synkron looks great! I've been using a more kludgey product called Unison to keep my mobile and studio drives synced. This looks much more current and easy to use.

Jeremy Lee
- A thumb is a terrible speller. Please forgive my trespasses.

On Nov 22, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Rich Walsh <rich...@mac.com> wrote:

> Synkron

[Rich Walsh]

On 22 Nov 2011, at 13:57, Jeremy Lee wrote:

> Synkron looks great! I've been using a more kludgey product called Unison to keep my mobile and studio drives synced. This looks much more current and easy to use.

Actually, when I had to buy a new MacBook Pro and wondered what I could usefully do with the SDHC slot, I bought a large SD card and now have Synkron automatically backup my working folder - Pro Tools and everything - every five minutes when in a theatre and away from my home Time Machine. I read some interesting stuff on http://www.brightandloud.com/ that made me think about how exposed I am when the only copy of the raw ingredients for a show is on a single drive, and won't be backed up until I get home. Synkron quietly keeps previous versions in a hidden folder, so it's almost like doing incremental backups (and a bit more regular than TM's once-an-hour).

Also, if you aren't using Jason Tratta's excellent QAutoSaver, then why not? Perhaps Chris could build this into QLab 3?

Rich

[Dave Tosti-Lane]

The link to QAutoSaver seems to have disappeared - is there an updated
link somewhere,
Thanks for the tip on Synkron, it looks like a great idea - as does the SD
card idea - never thought of that, but it's perfect.

Dave Tosti-Lane

On Tuesday11/22,Tuesday11/22:604 AM 6:04 AM, "Rich Walsh"
<rich...@mac.com> wrote:

[Eric Lott]

Jason has made it open source. Grab the latest copy here.

https://github.com/jason-tratta/QAutoSaver/downloads

Eric

Eric Lott
Engineer, Designer, Technician
er...@ericlottsound.com
601.259.5831

[Dave Tosti-Lane]

Perfect! Thanks so much.

Dave

On Tuesday11/22,Tuesday11/22:858 AM 8:58 AM, "Eric Lott"

[Dyfan]

I use Intego Backup Manager Pro to sync when I'm doing shows with
multiple machines and to keep my editing machine's folders in sync
with the show folders. It's a breeze to use and can sync across LAN
and WAN.

It's also a fantastic backup tool to have and has saved my bacon on
more than 1 occasion.

http://www.lacie.com/products/product.htm?id=10322

Dyfan

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