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Abel Muiño Vizcaino  
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From: Abel Muiño Vizcaino <amu...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 00:40:03 +0200
Local: Thurs, May 8 2008 6:40 pm
Subject: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0

Hi everyone!

Q for Eclipse has been evolving during the past months and adding new  
features each time. I would say that the most remarkable features  
came from the community... so I would like to use the community  
knowledge and imagination to ask:

What features would you like to see in q4e 1.0.0?

There's only one condition: Make sure your feature is not already  
implemented in the 0.7.0 development branch[1].

[1] New and Noteworthy in 0.7.0 (work in progress): http://
code.google.com/p/q4e/wiki/New_in_0_7_0
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Marcelo Alcantara  
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 More options May 8 2008, 9:51 pm
From: "Marcelo Alcantara" <mar...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 22:51:00 -0300
Subject: Re: [q4e-users] What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0
Hi Abel,

I woud like to see some integration between Maven and Eclipse RCP/Plugins.

My 2 cents.

Marcelo

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Josh Suereth  
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 More options May 8 2008, 10:07 pm
From: "Josh Suereth" <joshua.suer...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 22:07:32 -0400
Local: Thurs, May 8 2008 10:07 pm
Subject: Re: [q4e-users] Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0

I second that opinion.

I'd love to see integration with the maven osgi plugin and some way to
integrate pom.xml and plugin.xml/manifest.mf.  Also, the ability to depend
on eclipse plugins from a maven-like repository (or treat your eclipse
install as a maven repository).  The problem there is although most of the
version information is in the jar for OSGi, it's doesn't quite match Maven.
However, it would be nice if I could make use of all tha amazing features of
maven/q4e when developing RCP apps.

-Josh


 
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erle mantos  
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 More options May 8 2008, 10:57 pm
From: "erle mantos" <eman...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:57:38 +0800
Local: Thurs, May 8 2008 10:57 pm
Subject: Re: [q4e-users] Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0
For v1.0.0, I would love to see our artifact search integrated with
repository managers
like archiva, etc ..

Also, the form-based POM editor ala Manifest editor of eclipse.

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Allan Ramirez  
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From: Allan Ramirez <agrami...@exist.com>
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 11:20:47 +0800
Local: Thurs, May 8 2008 11:20 pm
Subject: Re: [q4e-users] Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0
Mine is just simple and easy. I would like to see keyboard shortcuts on
commonly used stuffs to be implemented in q4e. Developers are more on
keyboards rather than on mouse for faster development. I think it's
convenient and faster for developers to just press a shortcut key in
executing a maven goal rather than going to maven menu and choose.


 
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Robert Dale  
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 More options May 9 2008, 8:39 am
From: "Robert Dale" <robd...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:39:56 -0400
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 8:39 am
Subject: Re: [q4e-users] What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0
As long as mvn clean != Project -> Clean, I'd like to see 'clean' on
the context menu.  Project -> Clean seems to clean only classes and
test-classes.  In the case of war and ear packaging, they use build
directories which do not get cleaned.  So if a dependency or some file
is removed, it still exists in the build directory and will get
repackaged.  A proper clean has to be run by going to execute goal.

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Rodrigo Ruiz  
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 More options May 9 2008, 11:49 am
From: Rodrigo Ruiz <rodrigo.ruiz.agu...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 11:49 am
Subject: Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0
Hi all,

Here are my two cents:

* Search integrated with Nexus
* Integration of some commonly used eclipse plugins on project import/
update: checkstyle-cs, PMD, findbugs, cobertura, etc. Maybe as
optional extensions, just like the dependency viewer.
* Maven suggestions also for site.xml files (for skin selection)
* wysiwyg editor for apt documents :-D

Cheers


 
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Stefano Bagnara  
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 More options May 9 2008, 12:27 pm
From: Stefano Bagnara <stefano.bagn...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 09:27:59 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0

> What features would you like to see in q4e 1.0.0?

Being able to import a multimodule project in a single eclipse
project.
I know that this could have issues when there are weird dependencies
in the modules and also that it won't provide good isolation between
the modules, but I find *very* annoying when I checkout code I use for
reference and not for developing to have to allocate dozen projects to
it and not be able to use a single project like I do with m2eclipse.

This is the only motivation I keep using both q4e and m2eclipse at the
same time.


 
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Abel Muiño  
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 More options May 9 2008, 12:36 pm
From: "Abel Muiño" <amu...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 18:36:41 +0200
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 12:36 pm
Subject: Re: [q4e-users] Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0

If that's mainly for having code reference, why is the source attachment for
dependencies not good enough for your needs?

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Stefano Bagnara <stefano.bagn...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > What features would you like to see in q4e 1.0.0?

> Being able to import a multimodule project in a single eclipse
> project.
> I know that this could have issues when there are weird dependencies
> in the modules and also that it won't provide good isolation between
> the modules, but I find *very* annoying when I checkout code I use for
> reference and not for developing to have to allocate dozen projects to
> it and not be able to use a single project like I do with m2eclipse.

> This is the only motivation I keep using both q4e and m2eclipse at the
> same time.

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Stefano Bagnara  
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 More options May 9 2008, 1:45 pm
From: Stefano Bagnara <stefano.bagn...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 10:45:54 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 1:45 pm
Subject: Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0
On May 9, 6:36 pm, "Abel Muiño" <amu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If that's mainly for having code reference, why is the source attachment for
> dependencies not good enough for your needs?

Mainly is not always... sometimes I find bugs in code I depend upon
and I need a smart way to change some code and to run my tests.
I find it frustrating to have to import projects having 50 sub modules
as 50 separate projects in eclipse just because I have to understand
where a bug can be, add some logs to a third party project and run my
own project tests to see what happens, and reiterate this.

E.g: apache camel have 46 modules only for its components, activemq 25
modules. They are dependencies for me, I'm not a developer, but I
often need to debug them. It is MUCH easier to use m2eclipse than q4e
for my workflow.

With m2eclipse I simply checkout the project from my svn view, right
click on the project "enable "maven 2" => "Enable" and the "Update
source folder" and in few minutes everything is ready to be run. one
click I close it, one click I open it. With q4e this is a PITA, maybe
it's me not understanding well q4e multiproject import.
OTOH I really like q4e for single module projects or for my main
projects where I'm fine with 1 project for each module.


 
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Carlos Sanchez  
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 More options May 9 2008, 3:03 pm
From: "Carlos Sanchez" <car...@apache.org>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 12:03:00 -0700
Subject: Re: [q4e-users] Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0
just as a suggestion, it's not the solution you're looking for but may help.
If debugging you find the code that you need to change you can click
the "Link with Editor" in the "Package Explorer" view and that will
tell you which jar (module) the code is in, and then you only need to
checkout that portion.
Other option to not even having to checkout is creating the classes in
your project with same name and package that in the library and
Eclipse will pick them up first because the order in the classpath

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Stefano Bagnara

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Abel Muiño Vizcaino  
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 More options May 9 2008, 4:26 pm
From: Abel Muiño Vizcaino <amu...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:26:43 +0200
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 4:26 pm
Subject: Re: [q4e-users] Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0

Could you give some more detail on this?

Maybe with some examples of what you would like to do with q4e it  
would be clearer.

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El 09/05/2008, a las 3:51, Marcelo Alcantara escribió:


 
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Abel Muiño Vizcaino  
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 More options May 9 2008, 4:32 pm
From: Abel Muiño Vizcaino <amu...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:32:48 +0200
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 4:32 pm
Subject: Re: [q4e-users] Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0

This idea of resolving maven artifacts to eclipse bundles is  
certainly interesting. It would be a challenge to properly resolve  
the dependencies (specially when using packages instead of bundles).

I don't know if that would be doable in the near future (looks more  
like a research project), but I think that eclipse bundles had been  
uploaded to the maven repository already.
Also, there are some maven plug-ins for OSGi development that could  
be used for building eclipse plug-ins with maven.

So, some of the pieces are there already. Could you provide examples  
of what kind of features you'll want to use, and how, to develop RCP  
apps with q4e and maven?

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El 09/05/2008, a las 4:07, Josh Suereth escribió:


 
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Abel Muiño Vizcaino  
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 More options May 9 2008, 4:35 pm
From: Abel Muiño Vizcaino <amu...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:35:41 +0200
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: [q4e-users] Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0

I think it should be easy to mvn clean on project clean (we might  
even be able to do it in both directions, if that makes any sense).  
But I couldn't find any open issue for this.
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Abel Muiño Vizcaino  
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 More options May 9 2008, 4:41 pm
From: Abel Muiño Vizcaino <amu...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:41:03 +0200
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: [q4e-users] Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0

Hi!

El 09/05/2008, a las 17:49, Rodrigo Ruiz escribió:

> Hi all,

> Here are my two cents:

> * Search integrated with Nexus

Closer that you think. The open search framework on the 0.7.0 can  
read nexus indexes, and (by default) downloads the one on the central  
repo. It is not yet integrated with every search feature, but we're  
on it.

> * Integration of some commonly used eclipse plugins on project import/
> update: checkstyle-cs, PMD, findbugs, cobertura, etc. Maybe as
> optional extensions, just like the dependency viewer.

I would ask for more information here... what do you mean by "on  
project import/update". What kind of integration? (those tools  
already provide they own eclipse plug-in)

> * Maven suggestions also for site.xml files (for skin selection)
> * wysiwyg editor for apt documents :-D

> Cheers

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Abel Muiño Vizcaino  
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 More options May 9 2008, 5:20 pm
From: Abel Muiño Vizcaino <amu...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 23:20:58 +0200
Local: Fri, May 9 2008 5:20 pm
Subject: Re: [q4e-users] Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0

Thanks everyone for the suggestion.

I've collected everyone and placed them on the wiki (it's a shame  
that google won't let you edit the wiki directly).

The url is: http://code.google.com/p/q4e/wiki/Features_for_1_0_0
... and is also on the main page for easy clicking.

If I forgot anything, let me know.

Keep the ideas coming!

BTW: There's a similar topic on the IAM newsgroup. However, releasing  
version 1.0.0 of an eclipse plug-in would mean that we've graduated  
from the incubator, which can not happen until (at least) Eclipse 3.5  
(3.4 is coming out in a few months). So you can use your  
imagination... big time.

IAM newsgroup is at: http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/iam/
Ask for a password here: http://www.eclipse.org/newsgroups/register.php

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El 09/05/2008, a las 21:03, Carlos Sanchez escribió:


 
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 More options May 10 2008, 3:01 am
From: podenski <pat.poden...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 00:01:20 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, May 10 2008 3:01 am
Subject: Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0
User menu additions
Currently you can run any goal by selecting the Execute Goal menu
item. It would be nice for the standard lifecycle goals to be
available for selection here instead of having to know them and type
the goal name correctly. Also, instead of having to type a goal (and
possibly related properties) each time it would be nice to be able to
save user-assigned menu items to rerun goals.

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Abel Muiño Vizcaino  
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 More options May 10 2008, 3:37 am
From: Abel Muiño Vizcaino <amu...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 09:37:08 +0200
Local: Sat, May 10 2008 3:37 am
Subject: Re: [q4e-users] Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0

El 10/05/2008, a las 9:01, podenski escribió:

> Also, instead of having to type a goal (and
> possibly related properties) each time it would be nice to be able to
> save user-assigned menu items to rerun goals.

This is already possible if you create a Run configuration (Run >  
Open Run dialog... > Maven2 > (right-click) > New) which is probably  
the "eclipse way" of doing it. You can then mark this configuration  
as a Favorite so it is always on the Run button menu.

I feel like the menu item is kind of re-implementing this, so I'm  
more on removing it than enhancing it... but you (the community) will  
tell us what to do!

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 More options May 10 2008, 1:12 pm
From: podenski <pat.poden...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 10:12:14 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sat, May 10 2008 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0
Gosh I guess that I missed that one!

I tried creating a run configuration which specified project 'A' and
then I was able to select from the Run As Maven contextual menu and
select a run configuration for project 'B' -- a new launch
configuration was automatically created for project 'B' with the same
goal.

Based on the capability mentioned above it seems like the contextual
menu does add some additional capability so I would vote to keep it.

Also I still think that it would be nice for the standard lifecycle
goals to be available for selection here instead of having to know
them and type the goal name correctly.

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Rodrigo Ruiz  
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 More options May 11 2008, 3:01 am
From: Rodrigo Ruiz <rodrigo.ruiz.agu...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 00:01:24 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, May 11 2008 3:01 am
Subject: Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0
Hi Abel, see my comments in-line...

On May 9, 10:41 pm, Abel Muiño Vizcaino <amu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Cool! It's good to know :-)

> > * Integration of some commonly used eclipse plugins on project import/
> > update: checkstyle-cs, PMD, findbugs, cobertura, etc. Maybe as
> > optional extensions, just like the dependency viewer.

> I would ask for more information here... what do you mean by "on
> project import/update". What kind of integration? (those tools
> already provide they own eclipse plug-in)

I ment integration with those eclipse plug-ins. For example, every
time I import a Maven project into my Eclipse, I have to manually edit
the project properties for setting the checkstyle plugin
configuration. It would be great if the importer could use the
information in pom.xml and configure the resulting project plugin
details accordingly.

> > * Maven suggestions also for site.xml files (for skin selection)
> > * wysiwyg editor for apt documents :-D

> > Cheers

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Regards

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 More options May 11 2008, 11:58 am
From: podenski <pat.poden...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 08:58:16 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, May 11 2008 11:58 am
Subject: Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0
Show multi-module relationships

This proposed feature is in keeping with the goal of providing a more
visual nature for Maven users in Eclipse.

Similar to View Dependencies, this feature would produce a graphical
representation of the relationship between modules in a multi-module
build. This feature would help developers to quickly understand the
relationships involved in a multi-module build (dependency,
inheritance and aggregation).

For an example of the general nature of the graphical representation,
please consult the article referenced below, which summarizes the
graphical notation in Figure 7 -- A relationship graph. The graph
includes relationships for 'depends on', 'inherits from' and
'aggregates'.

Note that this graph would only need to show module dependencies,
since the existing View Dependencies already has addressed the general
artifact dependency graph.

The Maven 2 POM demystified

   <http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-05-2006/jw-0529-maven.html>

This feature would be particularly useful for someone examining a
multi-module project build produced by others, because it would
quickly summarize all of the relationships in a single graphical view.

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Stefano Bagnara  
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From: Stefano Bagnara <stefano.bagn...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 01:21:46 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, May 13 2008 4:21 am
Subject: Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0
Here is another list of issues related to the multimodule import:

- When I run refactorings involving minor changes in all of the
modules-projects Eclipse will do 1 commit for each module. So, first,
it seems my commit is no more atomic.

- When I move/copy code between different modules-project eclipse does
not correctly handle the svn cp/rm stuff to preserve my history.

- Opening and closing my 20 modules project imported with q4e takes
almost 5 minutes (it keeps updating classpath and similar things)
while the same on m2eclipse take 10 seconds.

- Running the import of a multimodule already on my disk use the
module artifactId as eclipse project identifier. Sometimes artifactId
are identical in different projects. I found no way to tell q4e to use
groupId+artifactId or to use a prefix when importing a multimodule
project.

Stefano


 
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 02:52:29 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jun 12 2008 5:52 am
Subject: Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0
any check option to eliminate project relations. If I'm working on a
project development I want to take into account only this project
souce classes, and not to have other projects related. The other
project classes used by my project should be imported by a maven
dependency (I guess this is the sense of maven!!!). I think it's a big
mistake to allow other project to be related. If any one wants it,
maybe should be checked as an option, but by default it should be
erased!

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Darren Hartford  
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 More options Jun 12 2008, 4:25 pm
From: Darren Hartford <binarymon...@yahoo.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:25:53 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jun 12 2008 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: [q4e-users] Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0
More as a comment than a specific feature, is simply
to try to have Q4E be as simple as possible when
initially installed for Maven integration with
Eclipse, with the primary piece being the dependency
management.

To be more specific, if the default install of the Q4E
plugin is as non-invasive and do it's best to not
'lock up eclipse' (i.e. the repo indexing and
occasionally dependency resolution), this will make it
easier to adopt and can use more advanced features
when required/explicitly enabled -- this will also
make it more clear to un-educated users that you have
to turn on a specific feature that may hurt your IDE
performance working on a project; they know the impact
instead of just complaining about the plugin ;-)


 
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 More options Jun 12 2008, 5:35 pm
From: Abel Muiño Vizcaino <amu...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 23:35:27 +0200
Local: Thurs, Jun 12 2008 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: [q4e-users] Re: What you'd like to see in q4e 1.0.0

I'd rather diagnose and fix the causes of any complains than avoid  
them by disabling functionality.

Regarding the "project relations", they are dependencies resolved  
from the workspace. That essentially saves you the extra step of "mvn  
install" a project before you can use/test any change made to it.

There's an interesting conversation going on on this other thread:  
http://tinyurl.com/528hpr
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El 12/06/2008, a las 11:52, pretonik escribió:


 
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