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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:34:16 +0800
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Subject: PythonOgre Development
From: Andy Miller <nzmill...@gmail.com>
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Team

As you've no doubt noticed PythonOgre development has stabilised (or slowed
to a crawl based upon it being fairly complete :) )

I've been looking at future projects and wanted a little feedback/debate on
a couple to see if there is any interest (any thoughts would be welcome) --
and of course please add anything else you see fit to this thread....

*'Faster Python'*
1. *ShedSkin*:  A nice python to C++ 'compiler' - I helped out with the MSVC
support and have been thinking about how best to link PythonOgre modules
with it -- challenge is that it's unlikely to support a "complete" python
app due to a number of limitations -- however possibly ideal to create
'speed-up' modules.
2. *PYPY*: More of a JIT compiler which recently added a 'ctypes' style
interface -- I've done initial work to show that Boost can be compiled
against it and now looking at testing a module or two (OIS for example)

*'Something Different with GO'*
The GO language from google looks rather interesting, admittedly it's
intended for systems programing (which I like) so more complex than Python
(perhaps) -- for me it fills a middle ground between 'C' (which at times is
just too much work), Java (which I've never liked due to performance,
portability and the size of the library documentation -- much of which is
getting better), C++ (which I like 60% of but complex templates, STL, and
debugging multiple inheritance drive me nuts) and Python (which I'd like to
see as a compiled language, but appreciate the fantastic out of the box
usability)

Of course GO is lacking as there is currently no C++ interface or ability to
call existing C++ libraries, and the discussion I've seen is that SWIG will
be the wrapper of choice which is concerning from an Ogre perspective -- yes
there is a 'C' interface wrapper and from what I see this is currently
manual and not sure about the performance...

Would appreciate thoughts on Shedskin/Pypy/Go/etc, other random thoughts on
PythonOgre development in general, etc

Thanks
Andy

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Team<div><br></div><div>As you&#39;ve no doubt noticed PythonOgre developme=
nt has stabilised (or slowed to a crawl based upon it being fairly complete=
 :) )</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve been looking at future projects and=
 wanted a little feedback/debate on a couple to see if there is any interes=
t (any thoughts would be welcome) -- and of course please add anything else=
 you see fit to this thread....</div>
<div><br></div><div><b>&#39;Faster Python&#39;</b></div><div>1. <i>ShedSkin=
</i>: =A0A nice python to C++ &#39;compiler&#39; - I helped out with the MS=
VC support and have been thinking about how best to link PythonOgre modules=
 with it -- challenge is that it&#39;s=A0unlikely=A0to support a &quot;comp=
lete&quot; python app due to a number of limitations -- however possibly id=
eal to create &#39;speed-up&#39; modules.</div>
<div>2. <i>PYPY</i>: More of a JIT compiler which recently added a &#39;cty=
pes&#39; style interface -- I&#39;ve done initial work to show that Boost c=
an be compiled against it and now looking at testing a=A0module=A0or two (O=
IS for example)</div>
<div><br></div><div><b>&#39;Something Different with GO&#39;</b></div><div>=
The GO language=A0from google looks rather interesting,=A0admittedly=A0it&#=
39;s intended for systems programing (which I like) so more complex than Py=
thon (perhaps) -- for me it fills a middle=A0ground=A0between &#39;C&#39; (=
which at times is just too much work), Java (which=A0I&#39;ve never liked d=
ue to performance, portability and the size of the library documentation --=
 much of which is getting better), C++ (which I like 60% of but complex tem=
plates, STL, and debugging multiple=A0inheritance=A0drive me nuts) and Pyth=
on (which I&#39;d like to see as a compiled language, but appreciate the fa=
ntastic out of the box usability)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Of course GO is lacking as there is currently no C++ in=
terface or ability to call=A0existing=A0C++ libraries, and the discussion I=
&#39;ve seen is that SWIG will be the wrapper of choice which is concerning=
 from an Ogre perspective -- yes there is a &#39;C&#39; interface wrapper a=
nd from what I see this is currently manual and not sure about the performa=
nce...=A0<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>Would appreciate thoughts on Shedskin/Pypy/Go/etc=
, other random thoughts on PythonOgre development in general, etc</div><div=
><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div>Andy</div>

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